fsm dna

During the course of my research into condensed stages of DNA my colleague and I came upon this paper.  “Nanoscopic structure of DNA condensed for gene delivery”, Dunlap et al, Nucleic Acids Research, (1997), Vol 25, No. 15, Pgs 3095-3101.

Please examine Figure 2c, and be enlightened.

In fact DNA seems to naturally condense into nano-toroids reminiscent of his Noodliness.  Since DNA is the precursor for all life, and His image is seen in DNA, then we must assume that The Most High Pasta is in us all.

May his appendages be ever moist.
Ramen

Mike

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127 Responses to “fsm dna”


  1. 1 Avatar of Reason Jan 28th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    Looks noodly, alright.

  2. 2 SaucyWench Jan 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    I love it when he says “nano”.

  3. 3 Jon Jan 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    RAmen Mike
    You’ve truely made my day. I’ve always believed the simularity between the FSM and nucleic acid forms was far from coincidence.
    Again RAmen

  4. 4 Captain Mad John Kidd Jan 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pm

    Praise be His Noodliness. Another pebble in the ever-growing mountain of scientific evidence of His existence.

    RAmen (yet again)

  5. 5 Arthur Jan 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    It’s so nice to enjoy the benefits of a religion that bases its beliefs off of empirical evidence. :-D

  6. 6 Pixel Pete Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    That’s why I feel so Noodly!
    RAmen

  7. 7 Wench Beth Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    Well, if that doesn’t convince the fundamentalists, then nothing will. We were truly created in His noodly image! RAmen!

  8. 8 Arthur Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    @ Beth:
    It makes so much more sense than the Creationist idea of us being created in their God’s image: almost everything on us is the direct result of a biological necessity, which an omnipotent being wouldn’t have. Eyes to see, body cavities to store organ systems, legs to move, arms to manipulate things; all things their God shouldn’t need.

    It’s clear that our designer was, naturally, a pasta product.

  9. 9 sgtpepper Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    wow i’m already a devout pastafarian but if i wasn’t this just proves it. i’ve never seen jesus in my dna.Ramen

  10. 10 Wench Beth Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    To Arthur… too bad all the fundamentalists’ IQ’s are so low that they can’t understand the point you just made :(
    .
    To sgtpepper… LOL!!

  11. 11 Arthur Jan 28th, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    @ Beth
    Family Guy put it best.

    IQ CHART

    —–Genius—–

    —–Average—–

    —–Retarded—–
    —–Peter—–

    —–Creationists—–

  12. 12 Brother Rigatoni Jan 28th, 2007 at 8:05 pm

    This just proves that DNA isn’t what we thought it was. It’s REALLY His noodly apendage.
    Ramen.
    ~Brother Rigatoni

  13. 13 St John the Blasphemist Jan 28th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    Yep, as I’ve always insisted: How many people do you know of that look like an old guy with a grey beard? Compare this with how many bits & pieces that make up people, along with all the other things in nature right down to the molecular level do you know of that look like spaghetti & meatballs?
    .
    Proof that the FSM made us all in his Noodly image.
    .
    St John the Blasphemist
    Saint of Spare Parts

  14. 14 JustMike Jan 28th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    Hello all, seems like a buncha lighthearted, funny, intelligent folks here. Makes me so sad that all these good folks are gonna burn and be tortured and all just for having a little fun. I’m also sorry that I’m not nearly creative enough to partake in this pirate tentacle stuff… I’m great in the sack though if anyones interested.

    I just wanted to share a couple sites with you people where you will find some interesting reading and though I’ve managed to earn an associates in this ‘puter related stuff I am still unable to figure out how to start my own thread… so please, mods or missionaries or whatever, try to find a place for these links. Carlin on religion transcription
    http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/1521/joepesci.html
    and the church of reality here
    http://www.churchofreality.org

    Thanks and have a blast in Michigan

    ~Mike~

  15. 15 Not-quite beleiver Welshie Jan 28th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    Hmm..it seems noodly alright. Doe sthis mean when i open up a can of heinz spaghetti, I should be worried?

    And what about the Italians? Oh dear lord no! Have mercy, mercy on their spaghetti eating souls!!!!!!!!!

  16. 16 Captain Mad John Kidd Jan 28th, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    Fear not, Not-quite beleiver Welshie, for the consumption of His Noodly Goodness is but a tribute to His existence. Pirates cannot live by garlic bread alone. And be sure to wash it down with a fine flaggon of grog. The way to enlightenment is through a full belly. Take comfort in the embrace of His Noodly Appendage.

    RAmen

    MJK

  17. 17 SaucyWench Jan 28th, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    I have an alternate, yet compatible observation that the endoplasmic reticulum, at least the representations I’ve seen, is rather noodly-looking. Coincidence? I think not. And what about the irrepressible mitochondria, swashbuckling about in the intercellular sea harvesting ATP from hapless glucose molecules? Rather piratey, I’d say.

  18. 18 Peter Popoff Jan 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pm

    Holy crap! Saucy!
    I don’t know none of them there words! Yikes!

  19. 19 The atheist revolutionary Jan 28th, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    RAmen!!
    FSM is great

  20. 20 Captain Mad John Kidd Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:18 am

    @ P.P.

    Cell Biology 101

  21. 21 SaucyWench Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:43 am

    @P.P., I couldn’t help it. The original poster said “nano” and got me going. I’m a nerd, I’ll admit it, but many who have posted here are much more conversant in the physical sciences than I. Every now and then, I like to say mitochondria, though. It sends shivers down my spine.

  22. 22 Vera Fedele Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:58 am

    come non arrendersi davanti all’evidenza? dal profondo del DNA Egli ci parla, ci tocca!
    (italian) RAmen!

  23. 23 Alice Wonder Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:08 am

    Just goes to show there are nano FSM in all of us, even the non-believers. *insert woo-woo nano jive here*

  24. 24 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:31 am

    Saucy. You bring those mitochondria up whenever you can! Especially the bit about them having different DNA to the parent organism. Symbiosis rules!

  25. 25 Boarg Jan 29th, 2007 at 8:51 am

    This proves the truth of DNA - De Noodly Appendage. Makes sense in the tastiest ways.
    RAmen

  26. 26 Peter Popoff Jan 29th, 2007 at 9:14 am

    All the Wenches here, need one of these…
    http://www.grumpy-girl.com/frames/ggframeinstantramenUL.htm

  27. 27 Eggy Jan 29th, 2007 at 11:10 am

    @alchemist. i agree! symbiosis is the best! i couldnt live without symbiosis (unintentionally literal there…), its so much fun! whenever i’m bored, i jst sit down for a few hours…days…. and talk to my mitochondria. *sigh* i need a wench. any takers? :P

    Eggy

  28. 28 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 11:26 am

    Eggy ..”*sigh* i need a wench. any takers? :P”
    .
    Don’t say that. TLM or nonsectarian (whoever) will start with the old “get a woman” thing.
    That said, me too! I think we should start a Pastafarian Relief Fund. A lonely hearts for the terminally sarcastic?
    Hahaha. I can imagine some of the adverts :)

  29. 29 Arthur Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    @ Alchemist
    “My name is Arthur, I’m in college, have my own place, and my interests include ridiculing the idiocy and hypocrisy I see inherent in the people around me, as well as generally pointing out to them just how undeveloped some of their ideas are. Also long walks on the beach, saxophone music, and BBQ’d children. I can be reached at…”

    If it weren’t so cold, I imagine a better advertisement would be possible… heat is expensive, so I try to think warm thoughts. It also helps that I have the impending fires of Hell within me to get through those long nights.

  30. 30 Peter Popoff Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    I have a short and to the point line, that never fails…
    .
    “Life is short, wear a helmet and be my bitch”

  31. 31 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Hahahaha. Arthur. Good one, you could add ” will you be the one to blow my sax?”
    .
    Peter, once again…, this could be interesting.

  32. 32 Peter Popoff Jan 29th, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    Hi Alchemist,
    I’m sure I’ll catch some flack for that one.
    But I’m in a crappy mood anyway, had two beers that helped the headache.
    But I’m suffering severe creative blockage.
    I’m spent all of this morning trying to put a positive spin on an avalanche. So far I’ve got zip, something will pop in my little head. It’s just been frustrating.

  33. 33 daqq Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Arghhh!!! Now THIS is groundbreaking evidence?

    Does any religion have the face of their god in them? NO. Except us.

    Praised be FSM…

  34. 34 Wench Beth Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    To Peter Popoff…
    .
    >All the Wenches here, need one of these…
    >http://www.grumpy-girl.com/frames/ggframeinstantramenUL.htm
    .
    Very cute! I like it. But I’m a bonafide cook and am looking forward to making some pasta meals for the crew when we get our pirate ship!! Yum!!

  35. 35 Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    NOW THEY WILL TAKE US SERIOUSLY.
    .
    How much evidence do they need damn them!!!

    RAmen.

  36. 36 Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    Let’s re-tally the evidence.
    .
    Other religions: No evidence and No graphs.
    Pastafarianism: Loads of evidence (see this site and The Gospel) and at least one graph.
    .
    Anyone still holding out is clearly in a rather tragic form of denial.

  37. 37 Gnocci Man Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    @Wench Beth
    Good to know that we won’t go pastaless to the beer volcano! My experiences with cooking are pretty much limited to mac-n-cheese and leftovers (and during a trip to Italy I got to hand-make gnocci), and a pirate ship needs much in the way of sustenace. Make sure that you know plenty of dishes high in vitamin C, we may consider scurvy a point of honor but the overall effects are not the most desirable.
    .
    As a side note, I would like to ask if anyone else has (with very little concious effort) had pasta almost every day since seriousely joining the FSM’s cause. As a science obsessee, it’s really starting to freak me out.

  38. 38 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Peter. How the hell can you put positive spin on that? I had to do the W word, today, as well. 5am finishes and 7am get out of beds were ok ten years ago. I’m getting old {sulk}

  39. 39 Claprán Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Why go to bed at all? 2 hours just makes you more tired, 30mins is good for six hours though, after that you need 3 1/2, I do like my little sleeps

  40. 40 Arthur Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    @Alchemist
    Meh, my brain wasn’t fully functional, and frankly I’ve heard too many innuendos related to my saxophone-playing for them to really even register anymore. I was in jazz band at one of the more… crude local high schools here my freshman year, and was thoroughly desensitized to almost all but the most original jokes of that nature.

    @Gnocci
    Not so much an active effort, but frozen pizzas are on sale at Kroger for 10/$10 since, like, forever. Being the, um, “frugal” (read: cheap) college student I am, I eat those about 1-2 meals a day. I suppose that’s pasta… my bro eats Ramen all the time though. I don’t gain a pound though; I feel truly blessed by His Noodly Goodness!

  41. 41 Dread Wench L'TUAE Jan 29th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    @Clapran and Alchemist-
    Though my prefered amount of slep is 12-13 hours, I can also get by on 1 hour and 5 diet cokes & chocolate covered coffee beans. Ah, the breakfast of champions….

  42. 42 Jean Bart Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    40 responses and no hatemailer in sight: did I skip something or is this evidence nailing them?
    RAmen to you Pirates!

  43. 43 Arthur Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    @Jean
    I can put on my fundy “thinking cap” (if you can call it that) and spout out horrid fallacies and straight-up lies, as well as strawmen and the like.
    .
    From what I can tell, though, most of the flaming is going on in another post.

  44. 44 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    @ Arthur. Well. That’s me told! Did your sense of humour go the same way?

  45. 45 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Jean Bart. “40 responses and no hatemailer in sight: did I skip something or is this evidence nailing them?”
    .
    Don’t be so damned superior! I can hold my own in an argument when needed. I just hope I keep my sense of the ridiculous! How old are you btw?

  46. 46 Lolli Popoff Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    .
    Don’t be so damned superior! I can hold my own when needed.
    .
    Alchemist, too much info!

  47. 47 Jean Bart Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    @Alchemist :”Don’t be so damned superior! I can hold my own in an argument when needed. I just hope I keep my sense of the ridiculous! How old are you btw?”

    ¿Qué?

  48. 48 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    hahaha. Did I mention that I’m ambidextrous?

  49. 49 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    Jean. I’m probably reading between the lines again. Sorry. Recent work requires it.

  50. 50 Jean Bart Jan 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pm

    @Alchemist
    No problem, just startled me. You’re not going to know my age anyway, since I tell everybody I stopped aging at 19, since I’ve ever found that age the most beautiful.

  51. 51 SaucyWench Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    @Peter Popoff,

    I do need one of those shirts! I’m not known for being much of a cook, but I can make a mean ramen.

  52. 52 Alchemist Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    Jean. hahaha. I’m really getting caught up in the “what did that imply” thing at the mo. It really is an occupational disease.
    19 was a damned good age! 1st/2nd year Uni. I haven’t a clue what happened but I know I enjoyed it.

  53. 53 One Eyed Jack Jan 29th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    Test.

    I’m back in business!

    OEJ- Ship’s Navigator, temporarily lost somewhere around the Great Horn.

  54. 54 Jingles Jan 29th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    Welcome back OEJ… but be warned… you might have a challenger for your position.

  55. 55 Captain Mad John Kidd Jan 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    @ Jingles—”Welcome back OEJ… but be warned… you might have a challenger for your position.”

    No fear, if there’s room aboard this ship for more than one captain, surely Spider won’t mind another navigator.

  56. 56 Red DutchPasta Kidd Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:03 am

    You should have more than one of everything, unless the captains. navigators etc want to be on duty all the time? Don’t they want some time off, for a grog or something??

  57. 57 Navigator Spider Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:22 am

    Ta-Da… Back from a good weekends grog. Nope don’t mind, more the merrier and i get to drink more!

  58. 58 BHendo (Aus) Jan 30th, 2007 at 2:25 am

    19 is a tip top age, I’m right there now - 3rd year Uni. And can I say that as a Human Biology Major student that it’s just so damn true. His Noodliness appears everywhere in histology and in animal diversity. This image of Drosophila (fruitfly) polytene DNA demonstrates even better what originally posted, with a methylated, meatball-ish centre.

    http://www.bio.jhu.edu/~corces/Research2_files/polyene%20copy.jpg
    http://www.steve.gb.com/images/science/polytene.gif

    Even flatworms have a motion similar to a flailing pasta strand, or the flagellum which is ‘ I rre D ucibly complex’ (almost), and as Saucy noted - Rough ER does have a FSMesque appearance, for creating spiral (helical) strand and flat proteins. Effects of certain genes (such as Neuropilin 1) cause neurons and blood vessels to create noodly pathways away from each other. Clearly the fundies creators haven’t picked up a text in 1100-2000 years (bible took 9 centuries to compile).

    RAmen

  59. 59 Jon Jan 30th, 2007 at 7:14 am

    Talk like a pirate day..

    I think that September the 19 should be a holiday for all us pastafarian…

  60. 60 Gnocci Man Jan 30th, 2007 at 7:50 am

    @Jon
    It is :)

  61. 61 Arthur Jan 30th, 2007 at 8:22 am

    @ Red DutchPasta Kidd
    “Don’t they want some time off, for a grog or something??”
    .
    A real pirate can take his grog and still manage to navigate! In theory, until the stars above you start moving, or the little monsters on the part of the map labeled “There be Dragons here!” come alive, you have no excuse not to be a fully competent pirate at all times.
    .
    This includes when you’re asleep, in case our greatest foe, the Ninja, come at us in the dark.
    .
    I’m also testing to see if adding a website to my name is retroactive or not… I’m shirtless in the picture there, so sheild yer eyes!

  62. 62 Eggy Jan 30th, 2007 at 8:51 am

    Ok then all, with the lack of fundamentalists around I think many pastafarians are getting withdrawl symptoms *need…. something…to…laugh..at/…prove…..wrong* *takes long swig of grog* ohhhhh yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. thats nioce. anyway, i have decieded to (just this once) take up a fundamentalist position (don’t want to do this too many times, coz then i’ll get into heaven and not have anyone intelligent to talk to).
    so…
    THIS IS STUPID! jst becoz a bit of dna happens to look like spaghetti, it doesnt mean ur god is reel! that iz onli correct if it is a picture of our lord jesus in a bowl of soup. anythig elsse is a lye and you will go to hell and burn and die and be eternally punished for your sins and have red hot pokers stuffed up yor botoms. I EAT YOUR GOD! christanity dosent neeed a graph becoz it is the troof!

    did i do good? *pleased look of anticipation*

    *Note to Fundamentalists*
    Apologies. I know most of yuo aren’t like this. Just the ones that post on this site :D

  63. 63 Arg Sayer Jan 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    We’re all made of noodly stuff. Even you, Eggy.

  64. 64 Wench Beth Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    Egg noodles are made of eggy and noodly stuff, Eggy.

  65. 65 Alchemist Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    Eggy. Very good! hahaha.

  66. 66 Arthur Jan 30th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    @ Eggy
    Meh, is it really necessary to pick on the fundies completely unfounded?
    .
    I like to think they do a good enough job of making fun of themselves… *points to Kent Hovind, Ted Haggard, etc. etc.*

  67. 67 Claprán Jan 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    They generally don’t realise how rediculous they are though, so we should keep doing them the favour of pointing it out, more fun that way

  68. 68 Jack Epstein Jan 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    COOL! im an FSM!

  69. 69 Convert Jan 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Ok, it’s official, I’ve converted to FSMism. I am convinced.
    :]

  70. 70 JonL Jan 30th, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    @Jon Jan 30th, 2007 at 7:14 am
    “Talk like a pirate day..
    I think that September the 19 should be a holiday for all us pastafarian…”
    .
    Eek…another Jon…what are the odds? :) :)

  71. 71 Fanatic Jan 30th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Romans 1:20-25
    “From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see His invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship Him as God or even give Him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes (and food). So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator Himself, who is to be forever praised. Amen”

  72. 72 Navigator Spider Jan 31st, 2007 at 12:39 am

    Romans 1:20-25 “…They can clearly see His invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God…”
    .
    this argument has been put forward so many times it’s becoming dull, please reread some of the threads if you want a detailed answer, but i’ll summarise for you…
    .
    Navigator Spider. At soem point. “…bollocks…”

  73. 73 Captain Mad John Kidd Jan 31st, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Actually, Spider, I see this as a biblical description of His Noodliness. The (and food) bit was added by Fanatic as a diversionary tactic, but clearly, this is further evidence supporting the existence of the FSM and disproving the Xtian god.

    RAmen

  74. 74 Red DutchPasta Kidd Jan 31st, 2007 at 3:19 am

    And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes
    *
    Well that rules the christian god out! So nice if they defeat their own arguments!

  75. 75 Navigator Spider Jan 31st, 2007 at 3:23 am

    i prefer the more efficient answer. it’s satisfying to say…

  76. 76 Claprán Jan 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    @ Fanatic
    ‘God did it’ is just another way of saying ‘I don’t know’. Not understanding the universe is not proof of the existence of a god, but rather that we have much more to learn.

  77. 77 the spaghetti shaman Jan 31st, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Being a lifelong atheist (before my conversion to FSMism that is…) I find it incredible that people still quote stuff written in the bronze age by an unknown author as convincing arguments. Just because it’s still there doesn’t make it right. Who knows what political/other agendas the writer had, who he was or if he was reliable even a couple of millenia ago? Or who has changed it for what purpose during the numerous translations? And by the way
    ‘They can clearly see His invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature. ‘
    They can clearly see his invisible qualities??? Help? this person had to be smoking something. Not that I’m against that, per se…

  78. 78 Fanatic Jan 31st, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    I must say I was pleasantly surprised, I expected far more lash back then I received. A few took stabs at the scriptures I quoted, and the beliefs I cling to; but none made any stabs at me personally so thank you. I mean that, thank you. I also would like to thank you guys for allowing me to say my two cents. We obviously don’t see eye to eye, and I do recognize that quoting the Bible is almost pointless in such a forum; because for most the Bible is the very article in question, but no one attacked me for it so thanks. Were I as ignorant as some of those whom claim to believe the same as I, then I would try and rant and rave about “you’re goin’ to hell…” blah blah blah. Its humorous to me how they try and scare you into believing, but the means by which they wish to scare, you don’t believe in anyway.
    I wont do that, what I will do though is perhaps even more crazy…I love you guys. I don’t know any of you, I will probably never see any of you, or perhaps we have already met and just don’t know it; either way I love you. Because Christ has shown me so much love I cant help but love all of you. I recognize that this may not mean much for most but know that I will lift up all of you in my prayers. May the grace and mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

    In Christ,
    Fanatic

  79. 79 Dread Wench L'TUAE Jan 31st, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    wow. If that’s true, about the love thing, then I suppose you’re a really nice person. And I thank you for being polite and nice, and showing us that not all religious people are crazy bad grammer users. But on the other hand, you really don’t need to pray for me. I’m going to keep on believing what I believe, and that does not include your god. In fact, I probably will continue to not only disregard him but encourage others to do the same, becuase I think that he is simply a man made object that causes harm when you put him in certain places. But RAmen to you and your polite kindness. Cheers^_^

  80. 80 Alchemist Jan 31st, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    Fanatic. You really are welcome here. Please realise that non-christians can love others too! You don’t have a monopoly on it :)
    .
    Your last bit about the grace and mercy won’t go down too well here! It’s a bit like saying “Jesus was just a man, who died!” Or “God is a figment of your imagination” at your local baptist church!
    In Judas
    Alchemist

  81. 81 Iron gill Kidd Jan 31st, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    “Because Christ has shown me so much love I cant help but love all of you.”….Soo….if Christ hadn’t been there….you wouldn’t love us like you do now? Interesting…anyway, I’m glad you love us, because that means you’ve thought it out and realized we’re intelligent people living lives that we’re happy with.
    -
    I’m sad to say I can’t tell you I ‘love you’ back. After all, I don’t know you–you could be a mass-murderer for all I know. But as of now I can respect you. Don’t agree with you, but respect you at the very least. Hopefully that counts?

  82. 82 Marc McOar Jan 31st, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Oh dear. Fanatic, first of all, thank you so much for your posts. That took guts. But, what I want to say to you is: stop putting yourself down! It is YOU that is spilling over with love, not something external! Take responsibility for your feelings and your unique place on the planet. You feel love for your fellow humans. How wonderful! I wish more people felt the same way.

    Unfortunately, they don’t. People are killing other people. People are hating other people. I hope that you will translate this love of others into something transforming. Something real. Something that Christians can aspire to.

  83. 83 Nureyev Jan 31st, 2007 at 7:43 pm

    Hello there. Don’t mind me folks I’m just entrechating through. My the FSM is a good dancer.

  84. 84 SaucyWench Jan 31st, 2007 at 8:12 pm

    @Fanatic,
    You can nicely say that you love us, and maybe you do, but the whole “In Christ” thing is what gets me. In Christ? That in itself is condescending and presumptive. Obviously, you have no idea how offensive that is. I don’t care if you say that to others with whom you are actually communing “in Christ.” That makes sense. I can respect your beliefs, but I’m not “in Christ” with you. Not everyone believes in Christianity. I don’t care about Jesus. I don’t care that you care. I’m sick of the whole thing.
    .
    As an aside, in a post a while back, I wrote a sentence about Jesus in the plural, and I said Jesusus. Wouldn’t Jesi be more grammatically correct?

  85. 85 Fanatic Jan 31st, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    @Dread Wench L’TUAE
    The love thing is true. And I hope to prove that not all Christians are crazy, and that some of us love the English language, and do the best we can not to butcher it, lol! Cheers^_^
    -
    @Alchemist
    I see where you’re coming from; I meant only to wish you well, but just for the record, I’m not a Baptist. I’m simply a Christian. I identify myself solely with Christ. I hate the fact that the Christian church is broken into so many denominations, as if there wasn’t enough working against it, Christians decide ‘we’re going to work against each other’. I may not agree with anything you guys say but the Christian Church could learn a lot from the church of the f.s.m. in the area of unity, and being on one accord. The very book by which I base my life says, “a kingdom divided against itself will fall”, I guess some of my ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ haven’t got that part yet. By the way, thank you for the official welcoming!
    -
    @Iron gill Kidd
    To be entirely honest, if it weren’t for Christ I wouldn’t be able to love anyone but my immediate family and myself. Three years ago, before I was a Christian, I was selfish, self-centered and self-serving. I wouldn’t have been capable of loving someone I didn’t even know, nor, or should I say especially, someone who hated me. But when He found me it’s like He gave me a heart transplant. Now I love without question, it’s a love without reason. But its far more than just a word, because I don’t know any of you, I can do nothing but use the word love. But for those around me I try and live love, doing not what is best for myself but what is best for those around me that they may be saved. So I regretfully have to say yes, without Christ I probably wouldn’t love as much as I do today. It’s a testimony of who I once was but a testament of what He can do for those who have faith.
    -
    @Marc McOar
    Thanks for the encouragement!
    -
    @SaucyWench
    I would just like to apologize to you and anyone else who found my closing offensive; my intentions were never to be condescending or presumptuous. SaucyWench you’re absolutely right, my “In Christ” closing was inappropriate and entirely out of context; the whole “In Christ” thing is more appropriate were I addressing those who share my beliefs, i.e. those who are truly “In Christ” with me. Again, my intentions were not that of offense, nor to thrust anything I believe upon anyone else. I did it mostly out of habit, and living a life where all of my trust is placed there “In Christ”, no matter how foolish that may sound to some. It doesn’t change anything else that I said, about the love and about the prayer. Still no offense is intended; love- being a positive emotion towards another human being (regardless the source) and as far as the prayer, even if no one believes in whom I pray to, I hope no one is offended by me wishing you well and hoping for your well being. I hope you can accept my apology.

  86. 86 eye witness Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:17 am

    “doing not what is best for myself but what is best for those around me that they may be saved.”
    So you think non-believers need to be saved? I don’t hold the same belief! I don’t feel I need to be saved and so……???

  87. 87 eye witness Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:20 am

    In fact, I consider it an insult for someone to suggest that their belief says I need to be saved, simply because I don’t share the same belief. (appologies to others if this has already been said…I hadn’t time to read up the thread)

  88. 88 Red DutchPasta Kidd Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:44 am

    Fanatic, I don’t believe in God and I base my life on a lot of other things. I dont need something else outside of me to make me care for my fellow human beings.
    But I really appreciate the fact that you are polite. In my personal world that counts for a lot.

  89. 89 Navigator Spider Feb 1st, 2007 at 1:30 am

    politeness does indeed count for a lot, of course it doesn’t make anything true…
    .
    “To be entirely honest, if it weren’t for Christ I wouldn’t be able to love anyone but my immediate family and myself. Three years ago, before I was a Christian, I was selfish, self-centered and self-serving. I wouldn’t have been capable of loving someone I didn’t even know”
    .
    whilst i am certainly pleased you are a nicer human being, all this shows was that your character needed working on. how much moral is a person that has no requirement for the cosmic threat of punishment if they’re not nice? i personally am ambivolent towards most of the species, i find them irritating at best. maybe this is my failing as i’m not gregarious, should it condemn me to an eternity of punishment? harsh i feel. i help if i see a need for it, i don’t interfere. the problem is although i am sincere that we are born with equal rights, many chose to misuse them and i think that there should be consequences for that misuse.
    .
    Before anyone puts it, i don’t needs praying for, or saving- i’m not drowning…

  90. 90 SaucyWench Feb 1st, 2007 at 5:54 am

    @Fanatic,

    Of course your apology is accepted. I do believe in the power of positive thought, and wishing goodwill towards faceless others, as long as the goodwill is generic and not predicated on someone finding your particular set of beliefs palatable, is a powerful spiritual practice. I’m not sure what it actually does for the one being wished for, but I know it helps the well-wisher. I once had to think thoughts of loving-kindness towards someone whom has caused much pain and sadness in my life. It took me months to do it, and I only did it once, but I was freed from this woman’s grip over me just a little. By the way this woman, my ex-husband’s now ex-wife, claims to be a Christian, yet she is psychologically twisted and seems to derive pleasure from abusing others. I know that it is not Christianity’s fault that she is like she is, yet in my mind the fact that she claims loudly to be so very close to Christ while having been abusive to my children makes her and her religion all the more unattractive. If I sound full of hate for this woman, then the work I’ve put into recovering from my association from her has paid off. At least I can talk about it now. As far as I’m concerned, Christ can have her.

  91. 91 JonL Feb 1st, 2007 at 6:00 am

    RAmen SaucyWench

  92. 92 SaucyWench Feb 1st, 2007 at 6:19 am

    Thanks Jon. I feel the need to add that I had already been well down my own spiritual path before I met my ex’s ex. She didn’t turn me away from Christianity. I was already very far away from it when she came into the picture.

  93. 93 Red DutchPasta Kidd Feb 1st, 2007 at 6:20 am

    Saucy, just wanted to wish you well. I wish I was near you, I’d give you a nice big hug. So instead I’ll just send you a Zen Hug: the hug you would get, if we were near you and could give them, but we aren’t and we cant. (I hope that made sense?).

  94. 94 Navigator Spider Feb 1st, 2007 at 6:27 am

    A zen hug? hmm.. what is the sound of one person hugging?
    .
    but RAmen Saucy, you’re a better person than me.

  95. 95 Gnocci Man Feb 1st, 2007 at 7:44 am

    @Fanatic
    Good to see someone who isn’t damning us to hell. You are the kind of person who is an asset to your religion. We are all very grateful for your politeness, as has been meticulousely stated in many posts.
    However, I am strongly opposed to what fundamentalism seems to stand for. I believe that the mind is one’s last safe-haven, and that forcing someone to adopt your beliefs is a crime of the highest order. I wouldn’t really care about what they believed as long as they stopped trying to force it on innocents. Schools are the place to learn facts, not theology.
    Yet again, thank you for your kindness. The world needs it.
    RAmen

  96. 96 Lolli Popoff Feb 1st, 2007 at 8:36 am

    @ SaucyWench, Best wishes Saucy.
    .
    @ nic, Welcome back nic.

  97. 97 Dread Wench L'TUAE Feb 1st, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    @Fanatic- I have to say I do respect you quite a lot now, even if I don’t agree with you on many things. I also think it was just a bit of a turn around you needed, if jesus wasn’t with you now you’d probably be just as nice. Also *embarrassed* I don’t always use the english language perfectly, and I detest anything past common sense grammer, but it does make me mad when people deliberatly send some of this stuff without even bothering to correct it. It’s like they enjoy looking stupid, I swear.
    @Saucy Wench- Cyberspace hug! (>^_^

  98. 98 SaucyWench Feb 1st, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Thanks all. Every now and then I have to let some of that out. Zen hugs are great, by the way. Now I can go back to joking about oars for a while.

  99. 99 Giovana Feb 5th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    @fanatic
    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! You are an example to other christians. You shou;d become a minister.
    @ Saucy Wrench
    When someone hurts you that much, you can never really forgive them. You are doing really well!

  100. 100 Giovana Feb 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    * should.

  101. 101 @Fanatic Feb 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pm

    @Giovana
    Thank you for the encouragement! But just out of curiosity, what is it that impressed you? So many are quick to give negative criticism and say exactly what displeased them, lol, but it’s very seldom the case in reverse. It’s always nice to know the positive things I’m doing so that I may continue to walk in those things. Thanks again!

  102. 102 bill tomlinson Feb 5th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    @everyone
    I have to say that I find the response to everyone here to Fanatic touching. Thanks to everyone for caring.

  103. 103 Evie Feb 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    This has probably already been said, but just in case- what about string theory? Could these sub-atomic strings actually be strands of spaghetti? And how can christians who claim not to know what God looks like or what his divine plans are deny FSM? for all they know, their god IS FSM, they just don’t understand him as well as pastafarians. If God can turn people into salt, surely he can look like a plate of pasta…

  104. 104 Evie Feb 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    I just read the rest of the thread - that probably wasn’t the most relevant comment to leave. I thought everyone was talking about DNA, sorry

  105. 105 Iron gill Kidd Feb 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    RAmen, Fanatic. Might not agree with you on everything, but you seem polite and open to other people, so you score big in my book. I find it interesting that believing in Jesus turned your life around. Always did like how certain things work for certain people; makes life more exciting.
    “I may not agree with anything you guys say but the Christian Church could learn a lot from the church of the f.s.m. in the area of unity, and being on one accord.” One thing I’ll point out about that is, we don’t agree on everything, but we respect each other’s opinions and don’t take everything personally. A lot of religions would be better off if they did the same!

  106. 106 Wench Beth Feb 8th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    To Fanatic… you would make a GREAT Pastafarian. I am not joking or making fun of you. Someone like you has the intelligence in them to see the real truth in life and love themselves for who they are. Anyway, think about it. You are much “higher above” the crowd you hang with. You have the qualities of a “real” person. Does that make sense? I hope so. I think YOU had the power to turn your life around — stay on that track and you’ll find it’s YOU that’s changed your life, not a religion. Good luck.

  107. 107 Josh the Pirate Feb 10th, 2007 at 7:28 am

    All this DNA stuff is great, but the clearest evidence the universe was created by the FSM (sauce be unto Him) is quantum string theory. All particles in the universe are clearly one long thin noodle connecting everything. His pastaness is everywhere and everything.
    RAmen.

  108. 108 Fanatic Feb 13th, 2007 at 1:24 pm

    What If
    .
    What if you’re right?
    And he was just another nice guy
    What if you’re right?
    What if it’s true?
    They say the cross will only make a fool of you
    And what if it’s true?
    .
    What if he takes his place in history
    With all the prophets and the kings
    Who taught us love and came in peace
    But then the story ends
    What then?
    .
    But what if you’re wrong?
    What if there’s more?
    What if there’s hope you never dreamed of hoping for?
    What if you jump?
    And just close your eyes?
    What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
    What if He’s more than enough?
    What if it’s love?
    .
    What if you dig
    Way down deeper than your simple-minded friends
    What if you dig?
    What if you find
    A thousand more unanswered questions down inside
    That’s all you find?
    .
    What if you pick apart the logic
    And begin to poke the holes
    What if the crown of thorns is no more
    Than folklore that must be told and retold?
    .
    You’ve been running as fast as you can
    You’ve been looking for a place you can land for so long
    But what if you’re wrong?
    .
    But what if you’re wrong?
    What if there’s more?
    What if there’s hope you never dreamed of hoping for?
    What if you jump?
    And just close your eyes?
    What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
    What if He’s more than enough?
    What if it’s love?

  109. 109 Storm Petrel Feb 14th, 2007 at 9:42 am

    @ Fanatic
    If I’m wrong, I’d rather live honestly and if I’m damned for my lack of faith, so be it, rather just that than damnation for hypocrisy as well.

  110. 110 The FSM loves you Feb 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    And the FSM invented the amazing Möbius strips! Ramen for that!

  111. 111 The atheist revolutionary Feb 15th, 2007 at 12:16 am

    and ribosomes are the meat balls

  112. 112 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    You sad little child. Perhaps it has not dawned on you that the world is NOT governed over by one of Heinz 57 Varieties, and that such an individual who would participate in such idiocy should have his head examined.

    With a sledgehammer.

  113. 113 Alchemist Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
    .
    Welcome oh horned one!
    (I can’t do worship - that’s the best you’ll get :) )

  114. 114 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Have at thee, “Alchemist”.

  115. 115 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    My “noodly appendage” is bigger than yours

  116. 116 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Wait… are you on my side or are you just being sarcastic?
    I could really use a friend….

  117. 117 Alchemist Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    I’d rather have a go at that teapot orbiting the sun!
    I like you :) you don’t have a chat forum that I can wreck though!
    Pink is a much maligned colour!

  118. 118 Alchemist Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    IPU
    .
    “Wait… are you on my side or are you just being sarcastic?
    I could really use a friend….”
    .
    Suspect we’re all on the same side :) My ‘god’ has noodley appendages, yours has a cloak of invisibility (and horns - I like horns. mmmmmm horns….)
    RAmen
    Hail Eris
    Slack!
    etc etc etc

  119. 119 Sister Sally Apr 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    @Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
    “My “noodly appendage” is bigger than yours”
    .
    Hellooo IPU :)

  120. 120 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:07 am

    arg…… how do you create ur own forum?

    And in response, i do believe my appendage IPU’s yours, “Sister Sally”

  121. 121 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 29th, 2007 at 2:14 am

    And why is my name black and yours blue?
    I feel left out…

  122. 122 Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Apr 29th, 2007 at 3:47 am

    IPU,
    .
    You need to put a website in with your reply and then your name comes up as a link.
    .
    You’re not all that Omniscient when it comes to technology are you?
    .
    Also, I’ve seen the Videos and the FSM so kicked your invisible puinky heiny all the way from destiny to eternity.
    .
    The Invisible Pink Girls Blouse more like!
    .
    RAmen

  123. 123 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 29th, 2007 at 6:26 am

    (whimper)

  124. 124 Invisible Pink Unicorn Apr 29th, 2007 at 6:27 am

    Personally, I prefer tagliatelle…

  125. 125 wench alex Oct 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    yet more proof!

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