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Ok, 3 AM local time now. It was nice again, till next time.
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@DutchPastaGuy & Iron gill Kidd
Grief makes no sense at all if you believe in an afterlife. My conclusion is that most of these professed religious type don’t really believe it. I don’t understand what role saying they believe it plays but it’s not in accordance with their emotional response
@Iron gill Kidd
That would have weirded me out. I went to my Dad’s funeral. I’m not sure why. The preacher is up there saying some great things about him. I was not allowed equal time. I sat and said nothing. At the same time I was thinking about what a hypocrite I was. I don’t think I could sing the song (there was no song). I don’t think I could sing it without a fight. But I didn’t see a way to protest the whole setup without a lot of people who wouldn’t understand getting upset.
These people didn’t know my dad. This is a guy who pulled over on the side of the road with friends and shot a cow in the pasture because he had a gun. Shouldn’t I have said something about that?
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@DPG
Sweet Dreams
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@Bill
I want to comment on your last post, but it wasn’t addressed to me, so I thought I would ask your permission before I butt in on such a sensitive subject.
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@Batman
Butt away,
When I post with an ‘@’ it is mostly meant as a response to that person. But I always want to see others reading and responding. You especially, but everyone is always welcome to any of my posts. I guess I should qualify. If I post to “Batman and no one else”, that should be clearly a dialogue to only one person. I’m making up a convention here.
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Bill- Hm…I can relate to that. A couple of years ago my grandma died; she wasn’t really religous so the rabbi who led the service was just the temple’s guy none of us had ever met before. He was nice, but the whole time I wondered why he was acting like he’d spoken to her before when I doubt he knew her name. It didn’t make sense…. (won’t say anything about your dad because I don’t know the situation, but…)
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Oh, and as for the song–as typed on the program I got–some of the lyrics are as following: “O the wondeful cross/The wonderful cross/Bids me come and die/And find that I may truly live/…”
Kinda creepy if you ask me! I didn’t sing it for a whole bunch of reasons–wrong religion, I just can’t sing for my life anyway–but a lotta people there did!
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DPG- Gosh! Never realized there were so many rules to suici–I mean, accidential dying! If they’re looking foward to heaven, then why is suicide frowned on….?
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@Bill
ok, well, first I want to add this disclaimer;
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My response is not a bid for sympathy. Should sympathy be offered, I am likely to have to go to bed immediately and cry myself to sleep (I may not subscribe to most gender stereotypes, but I do cry like a girl). Nor is it an attempt in ANY WAY to make a statement on people’s character. And lastly, I AM NOT PREACHING! I may end up sounding like a soap box speaker, but that is only my attempt at leaving my own emotions out it. Kay?
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Next post…
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@Iron gill Kidd
‘Tis creepy. Death is the focus of life, with most religion.
But how do you get out of death and still go to the good place? There is one rule. You cannot commit suicide. Suicide is murder that it is too late to be forgiven for. Never mind for a sec that you can set a suicide in motion and ask for forgiveness later before you die.
So, the best way to go is to look for a burning building with people in it and go save them. You get hero points and can check out of the miserable life and on to the super-life soon. The sooner, the better. Why aren’t their more people jumping at this grand opportunity.
My conjecture: They don’t really believe it.
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Ok.
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I really truly believe that everyone is entitled to their feelings, and I would never EVER presume to tell you how to feel about anything or anyone. It’s just that what you said, about if people truly believe in the afterlife they wouldn’t have the (presumably grievous) reaction that they do… I kind of have an idea on that.
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When my mom passed away, I lost my best friend, and the person I looked up to more than anyone in the world. I was super super SUPER lucky in my life to have a mom like her, and I’m not exaggerating. We fought, but laughed about it an hour later. She held my hand when I was sad, and confused, and everything. We didn’t agree on everything, but I know she supported me in everything. When she died, I was drowning in grief. I wasn’t grieving for her though, and it took me a long time before I was able to understand my feelings. I don’t believe in an afterlife. I know that when she died, she just… well, left, I guess. She was in pain, and she tried so hard to be “strong”, that it broke my heart every day to see her… when she did die, my first thought was honestly “thank god she isn’t suffering anymore”. Yet I still felt incredible grief, so much I actually wondered how I could be in so much pain and my body not shut down, like trauma victims’ do.
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ANYWAYS… after a LOT of thought, I figured it out… I wasn’t grieving for her. I was grieving for me. I was grieving for my loss. I was grieving for the grandchildren who I won’t be able to find a babysitter for, I was missing the only person who I knew loved me no matter what… it was all about me. Grief is not usually for the person dying, unless that person is very young. I think grief is a very selfish emotion, not in a bad way, but in the sense that those of us left behind are losing something that contributed to who we were. It’s difficult to lose a part of yourself, it’s scary because it leaves you wondering who you will be without it.
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Anyways, my point is, grief transcends your belief (or otherwise) in an afterlife… grief is what we feel when our personal universes are changed. For myself, my world at the time was very small, and to feel it suddenly become so much smaller was painful and difficult… I wish mom hadn’t had to leave the life she worked so hard for, but in all honesty, I wish even more that I didn’t have to “go it alone” now.
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Kay, one sec… ‘puter is freezing…
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@Bill
So, the above post is why I think people grieve when someone they love and look up to and depend on dies.
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Your situation is clearly different. So, while I do emphathize with your feelings (I’m sorry, I can’t understand them simply because I don’t have the experience, not because I don’t think they are valid), I have just one more thing to say.
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I can’t remember if it was you or Teddy who made the comment on your site about how every human life has value. Let’s assume that every person is born with a value that is equal to the potential he/she can reach in his lifetime. This potential can be determined by upbringing, economic situation, etc, but lets just assign a general “potential value” to everybody born.
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It sounds (with no background information) like your dad did not reach his full potential value, as a father or otherwise, in your view of him. So, I do understand you feeling like grief at his passing would be hypocritical… he was not the “saint” he was portrayed to be at the service. From a purely philisophical point of view here, did you not grieve for the potential that was never met?
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OK; you have person A who has reached the “maximum” potential (yes I know these are subjective values, cut me some slack for a sec) and “A” dies. You grieve for what you yourself have lost; a great influence and role model and (perhaps) confidant and friend.
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Person B has not reached maximum potential, and he/she dies. While you may not feel a personal loss to grieve over, could you not grieve for that person, and for the loss of that potential, which will now never be fulfilled?
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Again, I only have my own experience with loss to draw from here, and it was, well… you know now. So I might be presuming too much.
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@Batman
Love you Batman, we all do, with the exception of Raf who only loves you because he has to. Sleep well. Cya tomorrow.
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@Bill
*snicker… poor RAF, stuck with loving all of us heathens. What a motely flock for the wayward shephard… (spelling?)
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G’ night. See you all tomorrow.
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Just saw your post before my post. I’ll respond tomorrow. Wanted you to know last post was not a response to the one above.
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@DutchPastaGuy
About Sikhs, Hindus, Taoists, Shintoists. A will say that their religions are all wrong and I worship the true God. I confess en profess that He is superior to all. It is correct saying that at least N-1 of N religions must be wrong. This isn’t leaving much likelyhood for the last one to be correct. That is true. But there is another factor that transdescends all likelyhood, and this is the love of God, Who is proven in the new testament of God with mankind in Christ: “He has given salvation to all human-beings. Who receives salvation just by taking it, will live forever in the near precense of God, who does not have received, will lose the chance to live forever with God, for an eternity.â€
Let me repeat: “He has given salvation, free to accept, you cannot earn it, so noone could be praizing himself for it, Jesus gave the gift of eternal life for whoever receives it.â€
This amazing love, God forgiving us every sin is the real honest motivation to love one another, because there is nothing to lose. You see? All other religions, they are with more than 30000 in total, they all preach the same: “You have to earn your way in to paridize!â€. That is the utmost reason why my God is true, and their gods are false. Their ‘gods’ are all praizing theirselves!
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@bill
Your question:â€Why would you need a proof that God exists for yourself if he just talked to you?…Can you tell me when I can trust that it is really God talking to me? If I think it’s God, does that mean it is God?â€
My answer: He, not wanting me to die, would be my only hope for salvation for myself and also for this world. The opposite answer would be moving me towards death even further, as I was desireing to die. So immediately I was shure that it had to be the Truth, if God existed, He would not want me to die, since I picture myself God to be perfect that He would be loving me and all people in the world. I believe(d) every human being is helpless, missing out of the capability to do good (always).
You know that God is talking to you when you trust upon Him that he will favour you, revealing you the truth about this world and His Kingdom, because He loves you, even when you are the greatest sinner alive, and you are willing to change for the good of all mankind, even though maybe you only want to be selfish and please your own sake. If you ask of God, Who is Creator of the land and the seas, to change your will, He can change it for you. But, also, investigate all thoughts and keep the good ones. Expect God to help you to distinguish the good from the bad in this. Just believe God is caring for you and wants you to know the truth, to give you true love and true faith, true hope. Don’t fear anything, give all glory to Him.
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@Batman
Thanx Batman, for your spelling help; it means a lot to me! Very nice of you. I never expected you to mock, but I just assumed it was funny to read such strange words like “outmostâ€. Haha!
Your story with your mom really touched me. I couldn’t imagine how hard it is to lose your mother like that. I would like to reply on what you were saying about selfishness behind grief with the story of David, who was the king of the Jews in the old days.
David was a good man, but at a certain point in his life he sinned very badly. As king he could have any bride he ever wanted, but instead he had lust for another mans wife. This husband fought in the war David himself was leading. Then David sent out that man in the frontlines, even several times, so he would be killed in battle eventually. Because of this grave sin, afterwards David begged for Gods mercy. God had granted him forgiveness, but one thing would be asked of David in return. The life of his first born son with the widow of the soldier. But God promised that David would see his son back again in heavens also. David cried and cried, for he was grieved for the life of his son he had wasted, but the moment the baby died, David wasn’t grieved anymore and that same day he went to the temple to worship his God.
Can you understand that when we have absolute certainty of a future in heavens, there is in fact no reason to have grief at all? Indeed, most of the time we are being selfish, having self-pity, instead we should be concerned to spread on the Good News so noone should pity ever again.
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@Iron gill Kid
You said: “Is such a looking-foward-to of dying….normal, exactly?â€
This song they were singing doesn’t have anything to do with dying a natural death, as the most of you guys picture it to be. It is indeed a chant concerning death, but another kind of death.
I’ll explain. According to the scriptures (here I am again with my scriptures, I know, but I will be brief) a discipel of Jesus is someone who had died (a spiritual life with the devil) from the moment he reverted himself to God. At that same moment this person becomes a child of God, brought from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of the Light (of God). He is born again. Remark: in fact he is just born. But the expression ‘born again’ is used as in ‘rose again’ wich doesn’t mean also that Jesus had risen from the dead (fysically) for a second time. Jesus says to Nickodemus, a Jewish priest; “Truly, noone can set foot in Gods Kingdom, unless he is born in the Spirit. In order to be existing in the flesh, one has to be born in the flesh. So it is with the Spirit. In order to be existing in the Spirit, one has to be born in the Spirit (of God).
Now, why chanting and being happy dying? Well, since I am born in the Spirit it was a happy funeral to me also! I buried my past childhood with te devil and went on with a new beginning in God, the Father. Now, just to get the whole picture: since I am still a sinner and I am not perfect, it is not to be seen of me that I have died (of being the child of the devil) in fact, is it? Everytime I sin, being a child of God also, it ‘s like the buried person is coming out of his grave. So, when sinning, it’s more like a morbid funeral, but, when receiving Gods enormous loving mercy, including all blessings (like getting married), it’s like dying bit by bit. I consider myself to be dead for sin, but since I am struggling with temptation for the rest of my life on earth, this death works out to be experienced as to be dying for Jesus during my lifetime in this world.
Hope you’ll all understand!
Now I am resting from this page. God is calling me for another direction. I am not bothered for anyone having a conversation with me by e-mail.
Peace to you all, and you know, I prefer it to be Everlasting Peace.
Sincerely,
In the name of Everlasting Love.
Raf Colson
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My “God is Asleep” Theory
Or, “Even if There is a God We’re Fucked Anyway”
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
2 Peter 3:8
Being an avid reader of science and of religious materials I have formulated a theory of God and why he doens’t seem to have been present in the world for a long long time.
Scientifically the age of the Earth is guessed to be about 5-6 billion years old. The Bible maintains that the Earth was created in 6 days. Many people have suggested that a “day” to God may be more than the 24 hour period that we humans have designated. So let’s say that a day to God is a billion years. This way Christians and science can be in harmony.
Now if you read the Old Testament, you’ll see that plenty of people got to speak to God, or at least an incarnation of God. Abraham, Solomon, Job and Moses to name a few. Then Jesus came along and he was God. And as far as I can tell nothing since. Or at least anyone who has claimed to have spoken directly to God since then has generally been burned at the stake or had tanks come and shoot fire into their compound. So Jesus was the last time God has been seen in the world. Since he spoke to people we can also say that is the last time God has spoken to anyone in the world or been seen in the world at all. If you’re Mormon you might disagree, but if you’re Mormon you’re crazy anyway so go away.(To the Mormons–if you think I’m making fun of your religion, I am. Crazy bastards.)
Now, the bible isn’t clear as to when exactly the sixth day ended. But what if, and I think this makes a certain amount of sense, the day Jesus died was midnight on the sixth day for God? I mean clearly if Jesus was God he wasn’t resting when Jesus was alive. Jesus walked around and preformed miracles, which I hear are very tiresome, and of course crucifixion is no picnic. So after Jesus dies, comes back and leaves again, God thinks, “Well my work there is done, all men are saved, I think I’ll have a sandwich and call it a day.” So he goes to take his nap.
So we know that was somewhere close to 2000 years ago. The Bible seems to indicate that God is going to rest for the whole day. A day to God is a billion years. So 1,000,000,000 – 2000 = 999,998,000 years until we can expect God to wake up. Until then we’re alone. Sucks doesn’t it?
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@Raf
How about the second part. I guess I understand why you believed god talked to you but my other question is if I hear a Godlike voice, a voice that I always imagined God sounded like, can I conclude that god is talking to me? How should I look at it for me?
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@Erik Vavro
“Have fun burning for an eternity”
I hope you’re going to entertain us in Hell. If you are, I will certainly have fun there.
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@Raf
“About Sikhs, Hindus, Taoists, Shintoists. A will say that their religions are all wrong and I worship the true God.”
That says enough, thank you.
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Raf- My god, are you conceited. ““You have to earn your way in to paridize!— ….Um….that’s how it should be. Why should anyone get in based on what they call themselves? Why shouldn’t you have to prove that you’re worth heaven to get into heaven? And I’m sorry, but I don’t get your answer to my question at all. Say what you will, no religion should make you look forward to death. If yours does, perhaps you’d be interested in a suicide bombing or two…? Takes you to Jeezuz and rids the world of some pesky nonbelievers at the same time.
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Oh wait…the end of your post…that explains everything. You hear voices. Yup. Explains a lot. But isn’t interesting how God, rather then solve world hunger or bring world peace, chooses to tell you what websites to visit?
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@Iron gill Kidd
Alot of people hear these voices. It could be worse. Suppose 90% heard the voices and we didn’t. We’d definitely be on the outs.
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@Raf
When you say earn my way in does this mean I need cash or can I just write a cheque…I’m glad to see the practice of “indulgence” is back in fashon (medieval cash-for-salvation practice…in case you didn’t know)…I did hear God up until my reconversion to the FSM…he sounds like Kevin Bacon…
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@Thumper
You mention Kevin Bacon
And there was that concept of 6 degrees of separation. Now there are some definitonal problems like if I know you is that 0 degrees or 1 degree of separation. Never got clear on that but let’s suppose that’s zero. Now suppos,e you or someone you know, knows god, then to connect any 2 people you only need three degrees of separation, given that god knows eveyone.
So if this is the best the author of the book could do, this book is claiming God does not exist. Profound, but subtle, for a best seller.
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@Bill
Sometimes I wonder! Maybe that was Jesus’s problem to begin with–I don’t think they knew how to diagnose scizophrenia in the Old Days!
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@Bill
I’m afraid you’ve lost me Bill…but I’m surely interested…can you rephrase and repeat for the not-so-sharp wabbit…I’m with you as far as 0 degrees but struggle with the book claiming that “God does not exist”.
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For the record I’ve not read the book although I am au fait with it. When I named “Kevin Bacon” as the voice of God sometime ago I chose him on the basis of:
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1. Having a non God like voice, and;
2. Being relatively obscure.
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My purpose in chosing such was to invoke mirth in the reader of my post and thus spread good cheer among Pastafarian and Pirate alike.
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@Thumper
O.K. I see we are coming from different. Datas
There was a book called ’six degrees of separation’ that claimed that any two people on the earth could be connected by 5 or 6 people in between who knew each other. They use as their spoke ‘kevin bacon’ who seems to know a lot of people.
Anyway, i doubt the thesis if you exclude god because some newborn in alaska that only knows her mother has to connect to some newborn in dark africa that only knows it’s mother and then you only have 4 degrees of separation left. Sorry if reference is too obscure. But got makes the connective link much shorter.
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@Bill
Yes I get the whole 6 degrees thing and I’m familar with the concept…and that Kevin Bacon was the “poster child” for the theory (we get Oprah here to)but I didn’t get the existance of god being disapproved…obviously God is connected to everyone (apparently we all know him personally)but why is he disproved?
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6 degrees of separation sounds like a load of rot all right.
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Did you see the Islamic site similar to this one?…A guy on the LA Pastafarians Wanted thread left a link…I’ve had a look and left a post…is interesting…
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@Thumper
What I am suggesting is that the author of the book, if he believed in god, would have made the book about 3 or 2 degrees of separation, God being a person. But the best he could come up with was 6 degrees. So apparently he was claiming god does not exist. The major atheist sites should have this book noted. Very profound, but subtle for a best selling book. Most of his readers didn’t catch it, i guess.
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@everyone
This is my point without the sarcasm. In an ordinary context if you consider all the people, no one counts god as a person. Only when you bring up religion with they say, oh yea and god’s a person too.
It’s like in ordinary life. If I ask “someone do you know where your car is?” They’d say “yes”. But now they are in a philosophy class. Do you KNOW where you parked your car? Now they don’t.
My point: When people aren’t being put on the spot to think, they know god is not a person and they know where there car is.
A religious way of looking at the world is not part of most people’s ordinary framework. It is tacked on to people’s outlook to consult if they need a backup reality for personal problems. Except for the fundies, of course, who at least try to see reality as the big picture, as bizarre as their concept is of that reality is.
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@bILL
Ummmmmm…not sure I entirely agree…I didn’t get the earlier Kevin Bacon/disprove God thing because I assumed God was not a person…but then again if you asked me if I “knew” where the car was I’m the type to say “no” (even if we had alighted from it 10 mins earlier – it’s a lawyer thing that gives all my friend the shits)…I would have thought that only when speaking “casually” would someone refer to God as a person…when using precision of language (as in a religious discussion) he’d be an entity…I agree with you but just switched around a bit based on my personal experience.
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@Bill
Sorry about the “bILL”…I had caps lock on…evidence of my point with respect to “casual” speak would be the way people constantly refer to God as “he” (thus humanising it)…obviously God has no need for a male sex organ sans a Goddess…although I guess the zealots always refer to “him” anyway…ummmm…this could be a new direction for the “Pursuit of God” site…have Mr Mills explain whether God has a penis and if so does he “exercise” sexual function when alone…I’m assuming no one else would be qualified to assist…
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@Thumper
Your lawyer point is well taken. What I would suggest is that you and I have adopted a slightly different language from everyone else, because we have found that clearly defined terms are more precise. But in ordinary language, if you ask a Christian if there is anyone in the room with them, they will say ‘no’ and then you remind them that they are a Christian and then they say ‘oh yea’ God’s here.
As a lawyer, I don’t know what level you aspire to to say you know where your car is? Preponderance of evidence?, beyond reasonable doubt?, certainty,? or would give good odds if you knew you weren’t being set up for the bet?
But the point is that if an ordinary person using ordinary language tells you he knows where his car is and you don’t have good reason to believe it isn’t where he says, I’ll give 20/1 odds it is there and win the bet enough times to make money in the long run.
Back to the Christian point. I don’t believe that the ordinary Christian sees God everywhere when using ordinary language. Only when reminded of his metaphysical commitments does he ’sees god everywhere’. A sign to me that he is superimposing a belief structure on the world, not that he really “see’s God”
I can’t see how most people can really believe what they say they believe and so this is the way I take their belief claims. Claims they ignore until they are on their deathbed and then these beliefs will seem quite relevant.
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@Bill
I certainly see your point with respect to the Christian being asked “are you alone in the room”…perhaps if you said, “are you alone” more generally they’d say “no…God’s here”…a Lawyer would say define alone…
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With regard to lawyers and cars…I only know where the car is if I have actual knowledge of its whereabouts i.e. I can see it and identify it as my particular car (weight of extrinsic evidence does not give rise to actual knowledge). I have actual knowledge as to where I last left it and on the balance of probability (Aust civil standard) it will be there when I get back. If it’s not there when I get back I assume beyond a reasonable doubt (Aust criminal standard) that it’s been stolen…point is there’s only one level of actual knowledge…a christian may believe that he’s not alone in the room but doesn’t have actual knowledge as to whether this is or is not the case.
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@Bill
Just to be clear…there is a difference between “actual” and “constructive” knowledge…constructive knowledge may depend on the weight of evidence i.e. I have constructive knowledge that the car is stolen if the thief telephones me from the road to say he’s just stolen my car…actual knowledge is again when I see him take it…another eg for a lawyer is when your employee may know something relevant to a case…the lawyer is taken to know it to…can’t say to the Court “my secretary forgot to show me that fax” as a defence to being sued (not speaking from personal experience)…bit off point but just in case you were wondering what I meant by “actual” knowledge.
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@Thumper
Here’s another perspective and I realize it is in a different context from a witness on a stand sort of claim.
But imagine an ordinary conversation.
I’d like to borrow your car, do you know where it is?.
Sure.
Where is it?
It’s in my driveway
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Did he lie or speak falsely when he said he knew it was in his driveway? I know on the stand he would be pressed for a different standard of ‘know’ but did he lie in ordinary language?
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To follow up that not so interesting point, take a look at my car:
http://homepage.mac.com/billtomlinson/Logic/car.html
:-)
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@Thumper
Didn’t see the actual vs constructive distinction until after i last posted. Looks interesting. I’ll look at it tomorrow. Sleep well guys.
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@Bill
I guess he’s never lying if to the best of his knowledge, information or belief that the car is in the drive way…he can be wrong without being a liar…with respect to your car…with the greatest respect…I like the colours…
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@Thumper
One more post before I sleep
I guess what I’m suggesting is that to say ‘I know something’ means different things in different contexts.
In a courtroom we hold a standard and make certain distinctions.
In philosophy the beginning student usually pushes it to the extreme.
In ordinarly language ‘I know that’ is meant as assurance or a guarantee or taking responsibility for the truth of somethin
So, if someone asks, you know where your car is? I say yea, out on the street.
But if the stakes go up and he says ‘you know where you car is, I have to take my sick friend to the hospital’, I may not be willing to give such easy assurance. My conjecture here is that in ordinary language, as apposed to a formal context, ‘I know that..’ means ‘I take responsibility for it being true that…’ It’s more like a promise than a statement of fact.
My own conjecture.
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@Bill
You’re quite correct with respect to “casual” language…I tease my girl with this stuff all the time…she asks a simple question and gets the smart arse “overly correct” response…luckily I have other redeeming features…night William…
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@Thumper
Yea, I do that too.
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@ Raf, Bill, Batman, Thumper et al
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I would like to see Raf by the beer-factories – Belgian beer can be quite good!
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When it comes to love pursued in waiting for an afterlife – I think love can be said to be just in both cases. If there’s an afterlife – it’s good to love because you will find happiness later. If there’s no afterlife – it’s good to love because you will find happiness now. In my atheist point of view – I’m going to die and that’s it – until then I would like to be as good and nice as possible and have fun enjoying the ride!
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I really like Raf answering Batman with the story of Bat-Seba – it all comes together..
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If Jesus and god are the same – why did Jesus ocn the cross say: “Eli, Eli lama sabachtani”? How and why did he forsake himself?
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@ Bill
Have you written more regarding morals yet? I would like to report more regarding research explaining morals from an evolutionary point of view!! It might not just be a social learning.. In the words of MacArthur: I shall return.
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He has a point, devoting ourselves to a pile of noodles. Its a bit crazy, almost like devoting ourselves to a book which has been edited to fit current affairs for the last several hundred years, or a “god” that tells us to kill other people.
It amazes me how you can believe these thing without any proof. When i spoke to a christian, he said there had to be somone who created the Big Bang…but why?
All we are in this universe is a superior breed of mammal who have smartened to worled around us. After billions of years, we evolved from dinosaurs to where we are now. Compare d with other species, we have evolved most i guess, but what we have now, is it tht impressive after so many years? when you consider how fast computers change nowadays? its just how the world progresses, not how someone “above” decides.
You believe what you like if that gives you secure feelings, but if we really did believe in the FSM, you should respect that anway, otherwise you are saying that your god is not open to freedom of speech and promotes racism, so why would we want to be a part of that.
Another christian pointed out that things like the water cycle and dinosaurs were in the bible. When was this information added? as it seems all of a sudden christiamns are saying that gay marriage is ok….altho 100’s of years ago they most likely would have been killed by your people.
I was also told “the end” will come when someone brings peace to irasel (for the umpteenth time) and a 7 year rule of this person will occur, then we will be expected to sacrafice ourselves for not taking a symbol for god. So now your god wants you to kill yourselves at some point to get into heaven. But is suicide not a sin?!
I do not rule out anyones religeon, but i do not believe any yet. When proof is given i would happily believe. But if life teaches you anything, its that you cant trust anyone.
Norway sounds good, but if ya start burning like that guy mentioned, just turn down the tempurature of the sauna, there is no need to suffer.
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@Thumper
You wrote:@Raf
When you say earn my way in does this mean I need cash or can I just write a cheque…I’m glad to see the practice of “indulgence†is back in fashon (medieval cash-for-salvation practice…in case you didn’t know)…I did hear God up until my reconversion to the FSM…he sounds like Kevin Bacon…
I suppose you talk to Iron Gil Kid about this issue, because I’m just saying that YOU CANNOT EARN YOUR WAY IN !
@Iron Gil Kid; it would be meaningless to prove anything in order to receive salvation if YOU CANNOT EARN IT BY PROVING!
No, you just do the right thing on order to please God! Out of thanks for His Gift of eternal life, of wich you cannot earn it by doing good.
Doing good has to have the right heart. If you do it only to receive something in return, where is the Love?
So God provided us with a sollution for this, so when we want to do good, it will be out of Love, and not out of mere obligation.
@ Bill:
Yes, God is also talking to you. He is always talking. Free your mind with that other voices, in order to hear His voice more clearly.
You can recognize His voice, when you are acknowledging the truth. But it also needs to have a leap into faith, since it is so hard to acknowledge it, being mislead by the voices of this world.
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I’m sorry to tell you all – here is the evidence for ID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3dpF-0rafo
Porighteousness will also be able to tell you the FACTS of inherited sin, how homosexuality is not love only lust, and probably give you blueprints to the intelligent designers first drafts. Go ask some questions and see if Po would like to be touched by some noodly appendages..
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@Raf
I’m getting the electrodes out now, could you lie down please?
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Dammit – I knew there was a reason Iwanted my kids to shut up – must be so I can hear god better – or maybe it’s just because they NEVER STOP TALKING – ARGH!!!!!!!
Sorry, just had to have a little scream – better now :)
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noodles are fantastic.
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Who’s to say that God isn’t a pile of noodles?
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