God is not Noodly
Published by Bobby Henderson January 15th, 2007 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 283 Comments
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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“A professor of thermodynamics at Leeds University (for shame!!) even spouts the same BS to his students! He’s a creationist! FSM help us!”
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He also has a colleague (at Bristol?…..name and institution escapes me at present.) who has publically supported him. They are also both members of the same evanelical sect.
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Nikkiee. WTF is going on! A chemist, thermodynamics no less. Who believes “god did it”. Is allowed to teach in a UK Uni! One with a bloody good record for chemistry as well. Hell, they’ve even got (had?) a big model of the double helix for all to see!
I’d like to see him go against Peter Atkins. In fact I’d pay to see that!
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@Nikkiee
“He also has a colleague (at Bristol?…..name and institution escapes me at present.) who has publically supported him.”
See article in the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1977399,00.html
It’s prof. Stuart Burgess you’re after probably.
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@Alchemist
That was what the continuing drama over at the BBC forum (4 or 5 continuation forums to be more accurate!) has all been about. Thing is that, even from stuff I learnt back in first year uni (Botany, Biochem and Chemistry), it was obvious that he and his chronies was trying to sell snake oil to the unsuspecting.
Here is an article about it on the Dawkins website.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,453,The-Only-One-in-Step,Richard-Dawkins
@Dutch Pasta Guy
Yes it was Stuart Burgess. So as Mark aptly called them, that’s Father McIntosh and Father Burgess.
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“A chemist, thermodynamics no less.”
I think he is more engineering. He doesn’t seem to have much grasp of basic physical chemistry.
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At that Guardian letters page, it’s amazing that since I read the symptoms of crankness at http://www.talkreason.org/articles/SI_Resp.cfm#gross1 I can pull a fundy-nut red flag in a split second – observe how that Professor/Tag-nut guy wastes no time comparing his friend to Newton, Gallileo…etc.. Surely someone should revoke this guys status in the same way that if I inject shit into someone, I’ll be removed from medical practice.
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Here’s the full Crackpot index in all it’s glory. The recent high scores table reads like a Who’s-Who of the Discovery Institute.
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Here’s the full Crackpot index in all it’s glory. The recent high scores table reads like a Who’s-Who of the Discovery Institute. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
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I can see the index of points you score for certain actions, but where is the high-score table?
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Don, that talk reason sight is awesome. Kudos for the link.
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@ Wench Nikkiee
Having an engineering background is no excuse for not understanding the 2nd law, the laws of thermodynamics came from engineering, they’re axiomatic.
The fact that a lecturer can’t define his system is disturbing, calling the earth a closed system when energy from the sun is powering it? Increasing entropy only applies to closed systems, with no mass or energy entering said system from the outside. The only truely closed system is the entire universe.
Azimov put it very well, http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/azimov_creationism.html
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@Storm Petrel
Thanks Storm, believe me when I tell you I understand that only too well.
What I was getting at is that he doesn’t even appear to have a rudimentary understanding of how TSLOT applies in the context of physical chemistry laws (where I studied it years back), biochemistry (enzyme kinetics) or biology (photosynthesis > conversion of solar energy into chemical energy). I also covered quite a bit of Botany in my studies. One word “Photosynthesis”.
You’re right he has no excuse! Just another creationist snake oil salesman as far as I’m concerned. What I was pointing out was that even after only one semester at university, his junk science would have been obvious to me. I noticed that a botanist pointed out the open system and photosynthesis concepts early on in one of the first BBC forums.
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Wench Nikkiee just used my account without logging in herself! She said that, not me.
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Few of us here all use the same computer for posting on this issue.
Open screen!
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Whah, CONSPIRACY!!!! Oh wait a minute, I’m not pb am I, woops.
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We set up a spare computer with a dedicated account just for forums dealing with these issues. We usually always have a few forums open in different windows at any one time. Whoever is passing (or has nothing else to do) jumps on if something takes their interest or is in their area of knowledge.
Can be a bit like rounding up cats.
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DutchPastaGuy Jan 17th, 2007 at 6:53 am
“Whah, CONSPIRACY!!!! Oh wait a minute,
hahahahaha….sorry it’s been a bit of an in house joke as far as PB goes. :)
“I’m not pb am I, woops.”
If you are, you have been doing a hell of a lot of arguing with yourself. ;)
I’d seek professional help :) :) STAT!
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Besides DutchPastaGuy you started off us off with the idea to let PBs conspiracy theory
roll when you were questioning my identity round the same time he was on about global scientist conspiracies. I thought you might have twigged there was some sort of joke running and were playing along, even though you really had no idea.
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Couldn’t say anything before. Too much fun watching him get his knickers in a knot over
imaginary people. :)
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As pb keeps referring to me as ‘Peter’ here on the FSM forum, I wonder if he even noticed that DutchPastaGuy=Peter Klaver=not Peter (as in Peter Popoff). Come on pb, I know that reading is not you strongest point, BUT ARE YOU EVEN LITERATE??!! I’m beginning to suspect he’s not. No wonder it’s taking him plenty of time (close to a month now, and counting) to get through a 16-page pdf on fossils.
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Oh I get it DutchPastaGuy, you sell mighty mighty miracle water on the side?
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Uh…no…now you are getting mixed up in the conspiracy thinking yourself. I’m not Peter Popoff am I? Wait a minute, let me walk over to the bathroom and look myself in the mirror. I’m starting to feel pretty unsure about myself now, severe acute identity crisis popping up.
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Ok, looked myself in the mirror, and yes, I thought the uncreative haircut looked awfully familiar.
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DutchPastaGuy, do you know he has been back again looking for you? Something about feathers! :) I think everyone has left the forum. I know my crowd have.
Be hard to make the appearance of a “big debate” with nobody to pretend to.
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pb
Jan 17th, 2007 at 4:07 am
http://www.venganza.org/2007/01/07/in-praise-of-an-alternate-creation-theory.htm#comment-39681
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DutchPastaGuy Jan 17th, 2007 at 7:36 am
“Uh…no…now you are getting mixed up in the conspiracy thinking yourself.”
I just sent you an email that explains everything perfectly…..or not!
hahahahaha
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@DutchPastaGuy Jan 17th, 2007 at 7:27 am
“No wonder it’s taking him plenty of time (close to a month now, and counting) to get through a 16-page pdf on fossils.”
pb has been too busy, searching through the posts at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster for “evidence” of imaginary people, to read any scientifc evidence that you have pointed him to, DutchPastaGuy. To be expected of those who are continuously trying to “scientifically” prove the existence of invisible supernatural beings. Something they are more used to spending their time on.
RAmen
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Not even wench nikkiee knows that I’m one of her identities!
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Heck! That’s let the cat out the bag!
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You are spending too much time in that cupboard Beastly! It is sending you funny in the head ;)
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It’s not a cupboard! It’s Narnia!
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How did all these fur coats suddenly turn into pine tree branches?? And what’s that lightpost up ahead??
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That’s not a lightpost, that’s a glowing neon sign outside a brothel!
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I just find it humorous that all this debate is being stirred up by a picture that looks like it was assembled by a 5-year old…or at least someone with the mentality of a 5-year old…
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@Beastly Rich Jan 17th, 2007 at 9:03 am
“Not even wench nikkiee knows that I’m one of her identities!
The spotted blue cat that lives in the big orange tree?
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@Booty Jan 17th, 2007 at 9:10 am
“You are spending too much time in that cupboard Beastly!”
Ah I see, it’s the calico cat that sits in the yellow cupboard. :)
RAmen
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But only purrs when the fat bowler spins!
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So am I the only one who has seen Beastly in his cupbaord then? ;)
He needs to get a maid you know – shall we have a whip round?
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Depends on what sort of “maid”
I hear the specialist maids get a little exxy.
I think the ones with whips are even more costly aren’t they?
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http://www.PetitionOnline.com/fsm/
this is infinitely interesting.
if we all sign it, the results won’t need to be changed by HIM.
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I don’t know.
Myspace kind of disagrees with me as a person.
I’m sure someone will sign it though.
Ramen
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I just signed.
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Ditto
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Ok, Ok!
So much pressure!
They won’t let me sell my water there, so I don’t like them.
And I know “Tom” doesn’t like me.
So without jeopardizing the petition, I used my alias, “Not Peter Popoff”.
Should help anyway,
Ramen
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@PP
Oh dear. Does anyone want to take a bet on how long it will take pb to start shouting ‘CONSPIRACY!!’ again now that one of us has stated they used a different name? I’ll take pretty steep odds on this one……anyone?
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I don’t mind pb so much.
I think pb is genuinely confused.
That is pb, isn’t being dense. pb is just very very green in terms of science.
I really think science hasn’t “clicked” with him/her yet.
I believe that pb is not beyond saving.
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He’s not genuine. He’s highly dishonest. Read the BBC blog threads or ask Nikkiee. He willfully ignores anything presented to him, repeats questions that have been answered a dozen times before, conjures up the most transparent excuses. No, not with you on that one.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 17th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
“I think pb is genuinely confused.
That is pb, isn’t being dense. pb is just very very green in terms of science.
I really think science hasn’t “clicked†with him/her yet.
I believe that pb is not beyond saving.”
You should read his posts on the other more religous forums at the BBC. One in particular reguarding theology. I’ll try and find the link. PB considers himself an expert at mind games and playacting. Everytime he gets pulled up on it he goes all “I’m just trying to learn” innocent. He’s certainly never genuinely displayed any interest in learning about the science, despite his continued insistence that is what he is about.
In the meantime good luck if you think you can save him. I’ve rarely come accross someone determinedly oblivious to other opinions.
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This is one of the other forums where I read some of his posts on:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/faithworks_opposes_lords_prote.html#commentsanchor
His postings there were the same time he was insisting on evidence and that Darwinists were trying to convert him on the McIntish forums.
I saw his posts on all the McIntosh forums as a sales pitch to the wider readership. I think he considers himself quite a clever tactician. You need to read through all the McIntosh forums and the true picture becomes clearer. It’s that giving an appearance of the big “evolution debate” strategy they all use in one form or another. I think that is why he has been back over to try and get DutchPastaGuy to go back to keep it going.
This is my take on him after following his posts for the past month or so.
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Oh my FSM… that John Wright fellow is a saint. I would not be able to patiently argue for that long. Hell, after PB dodged post 21, I’d have just told him to go have inappropriate relations with a squirrel…
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Lets see if this works…
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_19424090/.HomePage/__sr_/7ad5.jpg?grMwBsFBGXCaQdHT
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It was created by Captain Noodulous Silicate.
A true artist, and devoted DFSM,
Great work Captain,
Ramen
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My mamma always said, “if you can’t say nothin’ nice don’t say nothin’ at all†but I’m afraid I’m going to have to make an exception.
As concerning that it may be that several of you actually believe that such an entity as “the Flying Spagetti Monster†does in fact exist, I find it considerably more concerning the amount of time many of you spend talking drivel about the alleged FSM and anything else that crops up.
Surely there is something more constructive you could be doing such as walking the dog, tennis or Bible studies.
Amen.
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