From Americans United:
Falwell’s Flub: Jerry-Rigged Policy Opens Door For Pagan Proselytizing In Virginia Public School
A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.
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Read the article HERE
“Falwell opened the backpack forum, and the Pagans were determined to secure equal time.â€
Thanks Jerry Falwell and Liberty Counsel. :)
I’m sure the Noodley One will drop by Albemarle County, Va., at His first possible convenience.
RAmen
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I hope Virginia will now see the light and convert to Pastafarianism. Then again, that’s a pipe dream… !
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I liked the last line: freedom of religion means freedom for all religions, even the ones you don’t like. But that is something no fundie is ever going to understand. Because for them it is NOT about freedom of religion but of pushing and celebrating THEIR religion, They should have the freedom, not those others.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha!
That one bit them in the arse didn’t it?
Serves them right. I hope they enjoy their freedom of religion.
Home schooling? Why not put them in a monastery now and have done with it?
Why won’t Christians let their children grow up and think?
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To Booty
If the children get the right to think they may see the holes in religions and maybe they become atheist O_o Oh the horror of letting children deside there own beliefs without getting their parents belief shoved down there throat.
Apologises for the awful spelling and grammatical failures, You see I am not att all good at spelling :P
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Yep, Richard Dawkins often lamented the brainwashing parents are allowed to do on their children. As a depressing link, let me repeat the url to an article about home schooling in the US, where parents teach their own children and are allowed to fill their minds with just about any form of BS. I got this one from an earlier thread:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19225776.100-homeschooling-special-preach-your-children-well.html
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Things can only get worse. Or maybe they already are – Park Rangers are not allowed to comment on the age of the Grand Canyon so creationists aren’t peeved.
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801
In an not too unrelated item, certain cities in Utah will celebrate New Years Eve on Saturday so they can all make it to the 3-hour block of Sunday meetings.
I desperately need to get off this planet..
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To ContAltDel… RAmen to that! (”I desperately need to get off this planet…”) I’ll go with you. Do you know of any flying pirate ships headed for Mars (or wherever) that have room for more swabbies?
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And is it really true about the park rangers in the Grand Canyon??!! If so, that is disgusting beyond belief.
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ContAltDel. We have a few extreme protestant villages here in the Netherlands. Now one of them (staphorst) has decided it will be illegal to light any fireworks on sunday, because it would interfere with the sunday-rest… Not that anyone NOT of their particular version of christianity would ever consider living there, but really.
I’m curious, if it’s true, if those rangers can actually say that with a straight face! If so, they should be considered for an oscar for best performance.
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Well, you can sign a petition to get the decision changed, and I for one wouldn’t be surprised.
What a good idea – we could have the FSM Oscar ceremony – but with pasta for the meal obviously.
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@ EgoN Halvax (I bet I spelled it wrong!)
Well, yes, I know – it was a sort of “Why, oh why, oh why?” kind of question – exasperated rhetorical I think I shall call it!
I have 2 small kids – 6 and 4 and I despair of the schools sometimes – in a way we are lucky cos we are in the UK, and they dilute the crap considerably, but they are both now wandering round holding their hands “in prayer” and whispering into them “talking to god” – they have no idea what god is really – a strange version of santa claus I think from what they say – but it is so hard to know what to say at their young age – both sets of grandparents are very religious, so while they are still around I don’t really want to say it is crap, just for their sakes, but I find them being taught to pray like that disconcerting to say the least, maybe we will tell them what we think when they stop believing in santa and the tooth fairy! Still, they both already know vaguely about the flying spaghetti monster, so we are onto a winner there!
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Grand Canyon?…. PARK rangers?!!……no AGE??!!.WHAT?!
Breath, girl, breath, there’s still hope.
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Booty,
I can sympathize, Matey. My two kids are nearly 5 and 2, and have already been exposed to a mild version of Christianity. I really don’t worry too much, because I know when they are old enough to rationally consider these cosmic questions, reason will be one of their intellectual tools. Of course my family, my wife’s family, and my wife herself all consider themselves Christians. To her credit, she agrees that there should never be such a thing as a “Christian child”, and she has no inclination to proselytize anyone, especially me. With a strong wind at my back she might one day be touched by His Noodly Appendage. At least I know my
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Sorry, my 2 year old submitted my post before I was finished with it. Scurvey little dog. Anyway, as I was saying, at least I know my kids will never be brainwashed, but it is very likely His Noodliness will one day show them the way to a beer-soaked, stripper filled eternity.
RAmen.
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Its good to see that the idea of religious freedom is getting noticed. Some Wiccans do scare me though, they bring all that magic crap with them and mess up everyone around them.
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As a Virginian, I love to see the progress of my home.
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@ContAltDel: Thats fucked up about the park rangers. Can they at least put in the word “estimated”?
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We need more fartwells and gw bushies.
Enough of these types, and mankind will wake up!
Who am I kidding? Their types have always been around, and it only seems to worsen.
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@Peter Popoff: “Their types” hit their peek in the 1950s and added the “Under God” to our Pledge of Allegiance. Lets hope that they don’t gain that much power again.
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@ Branded Cow
I’m not so sure they peeked in the fifties though.
We are just now learning, for instance… that old faithful is less then 2,000 years old.
Ramen
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Since putting a pirate fish sticker on my car my life has completely turned around. First, I’ve been unemployed for seven years – having retired from a position of importance in a very large semi-conductor company where I architected silicon processors. Upon putting the fish sticker on my car, the very next day I was offered a part-time fill-in position as a janitor at our local health club. I of course accepted and am making $8 an hour when one of the other janitors calls in sick. Next, I sold my old motorcycle helmet exactly two days after placing the sticker on my car. Last – but very important – the shrinkage of my penickular member – apparently the result of our house being filled with atomic clocks made in China – has stopped. This sticker is changing my life, I appear to have been touched by his Noodly Appendage.
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Welcome Pope dude!
May you be forever touched. And may your good luck continue!
Ramen
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Welcome Mr. BigisDickus! I certainly hope that the janitorial gig works into full-time for you. Swab that sweat! Congratulations on the shrinkage problem resolution as well. Bigis Dickus is kind of a must for proper sword fighting. Try buying some of those greeting cards. I bet those will bring you all sorts of luck.
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It is SepAration. This is really bothering me because I am a smug left-wing assclown spelling Nazi.
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You are truely blessed, Mr. BigisDickus, that in compensation for all that happening His Noodleyness has spared you from christianity
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um go druids? …. I mean YEA!!!! GO DRUIDS. Take that you pine tree stealing ignorant freaks. I alwayse find it awesome when freedom of religion blows up in conservative fundamentalist faces. “what you mean they get rights too….?†Little do they know freedom of religion means all religions, druids and fsm included.
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ya gotta love the druids.
@Branded Cow- why do Wiccans scare you? I like them. They’re very polite, and they don’t try to convert you. i also think thier beliefs are very interesting.
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Bobby, I realize that you guys may be out celebrating New Year’s Eve, but I’ve decided that if the spelling of “separation” isn’t correct by midnight, it’s a sign that Freddie Cat should come to live with you. Don’t worry; she’ll teach Nico to love Roomba.
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Re-Oared Marc–I’m right with you on the spelling/punctuation/grammar Nazism. Of course you’ve read “Eats, Shoots & Leaves” by Lynne Truss (and I truly wish I knew how to do italics or underlining in this program, knowing as I do that quotation marks are not to be used for a book title!). LOVE that book, as will even those who aren’t made miserable by others’ lack of fanaticism regarding language usage!
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Oh I’m hopeless, I didn’t even notice the spelling. I blame debating too many fanatics lately. I no longer have and decent comprehension of correct spelling or grammar.
RAmen
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Nikky–here’s what I’ve noticed about spelling, and when I was getting my degree in education I argued it with several professors. While there are many SMART people who CAN’T spell, there don’t seem to be any dumb people who can. I know kazillions of really intelligent people who can’t spell (still love you, Bobby!), and I really don’t think there’s a way to teach them how. You can teach them to use Spell Check and dictionaries and editors, but that’s about it. Correct spelling’s an inborn thing, and probably genetic. (There doesn’t seem to be an evolutionary preference for good spellers, though.) Fortunately or not, those of us who give a damn about it are in the minority! Martha
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@Cari’s mom (aka the mother-out-law)
“While there are many SMART people who CAN’T spell, there don’t seem to be any dumb people who can.”
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Hi Cari’s mom. :)
I’d agree, as that has been my observation as well.
I find it kind of hard to believe now, but through school I was always near the top for spelling. I often won spelling competitions in primary school and just seemed to have an instinct for it. The deterioration may also be due to my studies biological fields, which use a lot of Latin terminology, some of which still send my mind blank. I have a few half decent excuses up my sleeve now.
Hope you had a great Holiday, and are seeing in the New Year in a fitting fashion.
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Thinking deeper on that, maybe it’s one of those ‘left brain/right brain’ things.
Maybe ’sciency’ type people use one side (non-spelling/grammar side) and creative types use the other. Maybe.
Then, there are those that don’t have much of a brain to use either side.
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On the spelling thing – I have always been pretty good at spelling, but rubbish at maths, my other half is the other way around – we compliment each other nicely – I am his official spell checker and he does my adding up for me! I am fairly convinced you either get maths or spelling abilities, but rarely both. I do like correct spelling, but I know so many people who can’t do it that I learn to put up with a certain amount or mistakes, but I fully concur with Cari’s mom’s point.
Obviously in this setting typos have a lot to answer for as well – things you would never misspell if using a pen and paper come out horribly mangled.
I am not sure I have a point – it is 9:15 on New Years Morning here! But it is interesting to discuss.
Have a good new year all – here’s hoping we get a pirate ship :)
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Arrr. Another year dawns. I got Richard Dawkins book for Christmas and now here I am… There’s so much I wish I didn’t know! What will happen to these kids? If I remember my school years, not much of it will sink in anyway. The smart ones will sort it out and the dumb ones won’t. Happy New Yaaaaarrrr :)
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It’s strange, at school I only just scraped a C at GCSE english, but since leaving my spelling and punctuation have improved markedly. I blame crap teaching.
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@Beastly Rich – Hahaha. Me too (I was one of the last to take O’Levels). In my first year at uni. one of the lecturers said that pretty soon a degree would have to be four years instead of three. The first year would be to bring us up to an acceptable standard in maths and English. That was nearly 20 years ago! I wonder what he’d say now?
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Happy New Year everyone! I hope 2007 brings you all good things!
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Well, i know four languages and scraps of a few more, and I have trouble spelling in all of them. When I really don’t know how to spell a word I often select another one. I allways got (relatively) poor grades for languages, I’d get a 9 for texts (scores from 0-10,10 is all correct 6=just passed) but a 3 for writing. I know I probably make a fair number of errors on these pages, but well, I’ll post anyway!
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I’m with Booty on this one. HaHaHaHaHa.
If you open the door to nonsense who knows what will come through it.
I think the CoFSM should find a parent at that school willing to stage a FSM event and then finance it at its flyers.
I’d rather give money to that than buying a boat.
Particularly if the boat isn’t very big.
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Ah, the irony. Imagine that, freedom of religion applies to more then one religion. Shocking, truely.
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And spelling is my enemy. I can’t spell for crap…
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gill….”And spelling is my enemy. I can’t spell for crap…”
Hahaha – don’t worry about it. I’ve got a spell checker working in the background. You should see the drivel before I right click on the masses of red. It’s still drivel afterwards mind, just better spelled drivel :)
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@L’TUAE_42 Dec 31st, 2006 at 1:37 pm: I have had a couple bad experiences with emotionially unstable Wiccans preforming magical rights and shit like that. However I do agree with you that Pagans are very good about not pressing their religion on you. I guess there are weird people among every group and I just experienced the worst in Wicca too many times.
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@ Branded Cow, Hi how about them whacky christians?
Oh my… the things they do!
Ramen
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One more comment on spelling, and then I’ll stop (mostly because I know it bores the crap out of most people!). I pretty much have NO right brain–no artistic abilities, couldn’t navigate my way out of a paper bag, etc.–but spelling, grammar, math come easily. The only reason I bother Bobby about things like sepAration is because he’s responsible for the site, so HE HAS A DUTY, DAMMIT! In fact, I think that some of our earliest correspondence (after I told him he had to meet my daughters and fall in love with one of them) was of the bossy-editorial type. He was very sweet about it~~and fixed the problems! Martha p.s. I don’t care about the boat, because I doubt the mother-out-law will get to go on any voyages!
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I have a terrible confession to make……I get very seasick. Seriously, if I stay in the bath too long I start going green around the edges – do you think this will ruin my chances of getting into pastafarian heaven? and if I get to go on the pirate ship can we sail somewhere really calm with plenty of antisickness tablets?
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lol, my friends I seriously think we’ve gotten way off track and I’d like to bring up a point about the original topic of this thread…that of separation between church and state.
What’s happening here in the U.S. is frightening to me and I’d like to find out from like-minded individuals what we can and will do about it. We’re (as a nation) teaching our children ignorance and bigotry while other developed countries begin to pull ahead of us in education and innovation. Suggestions?
BTW, I recently wrote to my representative in congress regarding VA’s proposed constitutional ban on gay marriage. I asked her if it was an appropriate issue for her to be spending time on, rather than our education system, healthcare, econonmy, oil dependence, global warming, white house corruption, the fucking war in the middle east that we started….you know issues that actually matter to our country. Her response to me, in an official letter with her very-official looking signature stamp was: “The constitution provides for freedom of religion, not from religion.” In other words, America’s fucked.
These are the exact words of Rep. Jo Anne Davis, an elected official. Does anyone besides me see a problem with that statement?
What disappoints me about atheists (myself included) is that we’re so dedicated to our principals freedom of speech, live and let live etc…, that we’re not nearly as politically mobile as our right-wing counterparts. That’s why fundamentalism is gaining so much ground. We have a “believe whatever you want attitude,” while their’s is “believe what you want, we’ll just get people elected who will tell your kids what they’re allowed to believe.” It’s embarrassing that openly admitting you’re an atheist will almost certainly end your political career, despite your credentials. I would love to run for public office someday, but is it possible in this America?
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Booty Jan 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
I have a terrible confession to make……I get very seasick. Seriously, if I stay in the bath too long I start going green around the edges – do you think this will ruin my chances of getting into pastafarian heaven? and if I get to go on the pirate ship can we sail somewhere really calm with plenty of antisickness tablets?
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First time I went deep water fishing, on the great lake Erie, on a cabin cruiser.
I got sicker then hell! Spent a couple of hours heaving off the deck. Serious!
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I’ve been on a few boats since. But after that first time, I’ve never gotten sick again.
I say, tough it out! You’ll get used to it.
Ramen
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theAntibush Jan 1st, 2007 at 4:45 pm
lol, my friends I seriously think we’ve gotten way off track and I’d like to bring up a point about the original topic of this thread…that of separation between church and state.
What’s happening here in the U.S. is frightening to me and I’d like to find out from like-minded individuals what we can and will do about it. We’re (as a nation) teaching our children ignorance and bigotry while other developed countries begin to pull ahead of us in education and innovation. Suggestions?
BTW, I recently wrote to my representative in congress regarding VA’s proposed constitutional ban on gay marriage. I asked her if it was an appropriate issue for her to be spending time on, rather than our education system, healthcare, econonmy, oil dependence, global warming, white house corruption, the fucking war in the middle east that we started….you know issues that actually matter to our country. Her response to me, in an official letter with her very-official looking signature stamp was: “The constitution provides for freedom of religion, not from religion.†In other words, America’s fucked.
These are the exact words of Rep. Jo Anne Davis, an elected official. Does anyone besides me see a problem with that statement?
What disappoints me about atheists (myself included) is that we’re so dedicated to our principals freedom of speech, live and let live etc…, that we’re not nearly as politically mobile as our right-wing counterparts. That’s why fundamentalism is gaining so much ground. We have a “believe whatever you want attitude,†while their’s is “believe what you want, we’ll just get people elected who will tell your kids what they’re allowed to believe.†It’s embarrassing that openly admitting you’re an atheist will almost certainly end your political career, despite your credentials. I would love to run for public office someday, but is it possible in this America?
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I think, for the first time in this countrys history, an atheist has a chance at holding an office in politics.
We currently have a morom and a muslim, in office. Ten years ago, that would have been unheard of.
Thank GW and this last administration for making such a mockery of their own christian base.
Mainstream America, right now, today! Is looking for anything besides the christian horse shit.
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I say give it a shot! Run for office, if you run with the FSM as or only true belief, you’ll get my vote, for sure!
Ramen
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Alchemist- “It’s still drivel afterwards mind, just better spelled drivel :)” Well that makes all the difference! Honestly, without spell check I’d be screwed…the saddest part about that is my college major is hopefully gonna be creative writing. Don’t even ask me how that’s gonna work out, haha.
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I think it’s certainly EASIER for an athiest to get elected in America today; Jews and Muslims and so on seem to have broken–for the most part–that Protistant Christian Only mold, so I’d LIKE to think it’d work the same way for an athiest. Then again my world experience is rather limited as of yet, so I could be off.
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Peter – serious comment to a serious post.
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The UK has a fundamentalist Muslim situation. These men (usually the men, if a female muslim speaks out then she is often an english convert). They want nothing less than the conservative christians in your country want. Religious law.
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Burn the heretical books, make it a crime to say what you believe (if it’s not an acceptable belief, of course)
I have nothing against Muslims or Christians (I used to be one) but why, oh why, must they seek to impose their beliefs upon us? I’m a veggie – I don’t go around instructing people I don’t know not to eat meat!
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@theAntibush
I don’t live in the US, but I have a few links that may be of intertest to you. First is the Secular Coalition for America,
http://www.secular.org/
They employ a lobbyist who gives interviews, visits senators offices to represent the secular veiwpoint, organise against bad legislation etc. They also made the headlines by drawing up a ’secular scorecard’, ranking members of Congress by key 10 votes on issues like gay marriage etc. As expected, vote Democrat if you want a secular country, although it wasn’t fully black and white. In fact, in the last midterms, the secular coalition lost some moderate Republican allies. And the Democrats sometimes take a more religious tone to get more votes. Still, overall it was good to see the Democrats take control of Congress.
You mentioned atheists getting elected. Interestingly, the Secular coalition offered a prize for the person who would spot the highest-ranking elected official willing to acknowledge being non-theistic. The result will be announced soon.
You also mentioned ‘freedom of religion, not from religion’. Would your representative be surprised if she visited the Freedom from Religion foundation website, see
http://ffrf.org/
They have filed numerous lawsuits in situations where the secular nature of the US government was being violated, e. g. over the establishment of Bush’ faith-based initiative. See their press releases and media coverage sections for more info.
So you could do something by donating a bit to either of these organisations. They do the work for you, you can sit back and relax as you watch your donation being put to good use. It keeps my consience happy. Please come and join us.
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@theAntibush
I don’t live in the US, but I have a few links that may be of intertest to you. First is the Secular Coalition for America, http://www.secular.org
They employ a lobbyist who gives interviews, visits senators offices to represent the secular veiwpoint, organise against bad legislation etc. They also made the headlines by drawing up a ’secular scorecard’, ranking members of Congress by key 10 votes on issues like gay marriage etc. As expected, vote Democrat if you want a secular country, although it wasn’t fully black and white. In fact, in the last midterms, the secular coalition lost some moderate Republican allies. And the Democrats sometimes take a more religious tone to get more votes. Still, overall it was good to see the Democrats take control of Congress.
You mentioned atheists getting elected. Interestingly, the Secular coalition offered a prize for the person who would spot the highest-ranking elected official willing to acknowledge being non-theistic. The result will be announced soon.
You also mentioned ‘freedom of religion, not from religion’. Would your representative be surprised if she visited the Freedom from Religion foundation website, see ffrf.org
They have filed numerous lawsuits in situations where the secular nature of the US government was being violated, e. g. over the establishment of Bush’ faith-based initiative. See their press releases and media coverage sections for more info.
So you could do something by donating a bit to either of these organisations. They do the work for you, you can sit back and relax as you watch your donation being put to good use. It keeps my consience happy. Please come and join us.
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@theAntibush
What’s happening here in the U.S. is frightening to me and I’d like to find out from like-minded individuals what we can and will do about it.
You may already be familiar with the Freedom from Religion Foundation, if not here is the link.
http://ffrf.org/index2.php
Also the Richard Dawkins site has quite a few links to organised atheist organisations globally.
RAmen
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Alchemist Jan 1st, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Peter – serious comment to a serious post.
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I hear ya. I’ll never understand why people have to push their beliefs on others. But they must.
I’m like you, I’m not a veggie, but if I were. I sure as heck wouldn’t tell anybody else what to eat?
I will never understand that.
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I’m not real fond of the Muslim belief system either. I honestly don’t know that much about it, but what I do know doesn’t impress me. I do know the christian system, and I’ll wager by now, you’ve picked up on how I feel about them. heh heh
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I really do think that right now, the Americans would accept an atheist, in a public office.
For the same reason we’ve accepted the Muslim in Il. People are sick of the christian right, and the hypocrisy that comes with it.
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@DutchPastaGuy
I appear to have repeated your suggestion. Your post hadn’t come up when I posted.
Let me say ‘great minds think alike’
RAmen
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The problem with expecting people to respect others’ religious beliefs is that so many of the religious fundamentalists sincerely believe that their “god” DEMANDS strict obedience! How can you argue with someone who sees religion not as a choice but as a deep, fundamental truth? Tolerance is not something those types embrace, and I reluctantly conclude that this is what’s going to bring our currrent occupation of Earth to an end, sooner or later. I’m a global pessimist; local optimist–I do what I can in my little corner of Tucson, teaching the little kids that there’s a bigger world out there filled with opportunities to be humane. Martha
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on the serious side, I think that right now the situation in America is very bad, but i also think it goes in cycles. When my dad was a kid children would be laughed out of school for even bringing up religiuos discussions. It just wasn’t polite and didn’t happen. It will get better eventually.
Interestingly, you know the senator who just swore in? Some jacks were making a fuss over how he swore on the Koran. You’re not even supposed to swear on anything, most people just bring something important along with them, “happened” to be a bible mostly.If I ever get elected, I’m gonna make a stack of Lord of the Rings, Hitchhikers Guide, and Asimov books to swear on.^_^
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Peter, I suspect we share similar beliefs. And may god have mercy upon our souls, hahaha.
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I despise Islam, no joke. It is a hate ridden religion. Likewise Christianity. In the UK things are getting stupid. It was reported (make of that what you will:)) that a suspect in a murder case managed to flee the UK by donning a Niqab (full veil)? We now have a local authority setting aside swimming pool time for muslim women only. Why? Sure, I can understand women only swimming sessions, but muslim only? Surely that’s racist?
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I really hope that you go for office. I have thought the same – stand for Parliament. Just not too keen on the British press trawling up ancient indiscretions :)
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Yep! Alchemist, it’s ta hell with us… for sure!
I’ll never be in politics either. For the same reason you stated.
By the time they pulled all the skeletons out of my closets.
I probably wouldn’t even vote for myself.
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HAHAHA.
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“Is there anything in your past that you wouldn’t want people to know about?”
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Erm, sit down, have a cookie and enjoy the next hour.
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It’s a real shame that those of us who have lived life to the full (and then some) never become politico’s. Aw well, back to my plan for world domination.
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@Cari’s mom (aka the mother-out-law): Thanks for that statement. RAmen
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@L’TUAE_42: Although it creates more problems, I prefer religion to be an open topic of discussion. In high school I got in trouble for heated disputes on religion, but I feel that school is an area to exchange ideas. College provided a forum for the debate, but I’m afraid the support for the forum was one sided. Here seems like the only place where people don’t judge my faith in God.
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@Alchemist: In Virginia there were some people claiming religious persecution when they had to remove their niqab for photo identification on the drivers license. I thought it was a joke when I first heard about it, but its true. Of course the conservatives in VA kept the laws about photo identification.
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ANTIBUSH:
If antibush means you don’t care for GW you’d have a good chance of getting my vote. If it means that the Holy Strippers should shave their bush off, you have an even better chance of getting my vote. If it means you have a problem with the half of our population that is known for having a bush, you probably won’t get my vote. I don’t know where the FSM stands on that kind of stuff.
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eddie spaghetti
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@ eddie spaghetti.
hahaha, good stuff!
Ramen
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eddie and Peter!!!
The things you lot get up to , when there are no Wenches around.
I just pop back in here to the church, for a little slice of salvation after fighting fundies left, right and centre to find you having carnal relations with xtian girls and shaving the strippers. For shame! ;)
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Eddie Spaghetti,
theAntibush is an alias that I was given on the FBI’s terrorist watch list for publicly pointing out the subtly hidden, yet obviously diabolical genius of GW. See, most people think he’s just a fucking retard. My theory is quite the opposite. I believe he’s none other than the sinister journevangelist, Glenn Beck, in disguise as an inarticulate moron so that he doesn’t have to be held criminally accountable for any of his actions. Therefore, the artfully circulated rumor that Chaney is the puppetmaster behind the poor slobbering jackass…is mere propaganda. So far, the true magnitude of GW’s intelligence has been a closley guarded national secret, requiring the highest level of security clearance to even discuss it. It’s no wonder they’ve been trying to silence me by cancelling the Chappelle Show. In fact, having told you this, I may have placed you all in grave danger. I’m sorry. You guys stay the course while I come up with an exit strategy.
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Whew! Thats a relief! You can count on my vote.
But how do explain nu cu lar? Only a real retard could say that as fluently as he does. Hell it’s the only thing he does say fluently.
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Hi Nikkiee!
HAHAHA, I wasn’t so much shaving the wenches, as much as I was agreeing with the shaver? Heh heh.
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I too! Have been fighting tooth and nail, with some fundis, on the “topix.net” forums, they don’t like me so much? And I haven’t a clue as to why?
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Ok. So I’m in the grocery store stocking up on pasta and spaghetti sauce. I happen to overhear the conversation between the lady in front of me and the cashier. She explains that all this stuff is for a church function and not to be taxed. So when it’s my turn I begin to tell her about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and how all this stuff is for a sacred ritual and also shouldn’t be taxed. She doesn’t buy it, but I remain persistant. Eventually she gets the store manager. After about ten minutes of trying to convince them that this is a legitimate church I give up.
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So where do we stand with this? I mean, now that the door has been opened, don’t we get same rights as all the other religions? It’s time to act!
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eddie,
I think you have to be on one of those sacred lists of acceptable religions. Although I’ve never seen a copy of one of these lists. Never seen a copy of that darn gay agenda I’ve heard so much about either….
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No offense meant thar, Nikkie. Actually I was just trying to stick up for you wenches.
eddie spaghetti
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eddie spaghetti Jan 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Ok. So I’m in the grocery store stocking up on pasta and spaghetti sauce. I happen to overhear the conversation between the lady in front of me and the cashier. She explains that all this stuff is for a church function and not to be taxed. So when it’s my turn I begin to tell her about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and how all this stuff is for a sacred ritual and also shouldn’t be taxed. She doesn’t buy it, but I remain persistant. Eventually she gets the store manager. After about ten minutes of trying to convince them that this is a legitimate church I give up.
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So where do we stand with this? I mean, now that the door has been opened, don’t we get same rights as all the other religions? It’s time to act!
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Here in the states, you need a tax ID number.
Maybe Bobby can help you out with that.
Ramen
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Eddie,
Nucular is actually a word, believe or not. It’s a popular teenage mutant ninja turtle statement of excitement or joy, equivalent to tubular. As I said, if GW didn’t absolutely stay the course on pretending to be head-in-a-shitpile stupid, then we’d see through the whole thing and start demanding a fair, honest, and transparent government…and everyone knows we don’t have a right to ask for that here in America. That’s why GW and the republican congress got rid of it. Besides, setting aside proper pronounciation, spelling, rules of grammar, and proven scientific knowledge is the true path to salvation. That’s why I’m going to start saying nucular and I’ll spend more time on the various internets and googles as well.
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Antibush;
No offense to you either. Twas only talking bout me vote thar. We usually vote for those with similiar interests to represent us. If yer’ve got no interest in the wenches, well thats yer business but being Anti, well thats another thing.
e.s.
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eddie,
I will neither confirm nor deny any accusations of consorting with wenches. What I will say is that the wench in question was not actually my wench, she was my massage therapist and I was seeing her on a weekly basis for a chronic problem….and I did not inhale. I have no further statements to make at this time. Please redirect all questions to my attorney, Mr. Penis Chaney.
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@Peter Popoff
“they don’t like me so much? And I haven’t a clue as to why?”
hahahaha
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I don’t think PB (pb) likes a few of the people over on the BBC “Andrew McIntosh responds” either. He can put a sentence together, but continually brings up all the red herrings on answersingenesis, as well as totally change the subject when he is cornered.
(don’t they all…hahahaha) He also may be under the impression he has a lot more people posting at him than he has! Just a hunch :)
Nearly every post of his references that site. A little like herr dokta, without only a little arrogance and no cut/paste. He is very big on the “200 scientists agree with us” line. Could be a collegue of the good doktas. Then again most of them spout the same rubbish in the same way. He is determined though. He’s been wiped out, so many times and just keeps coming back.I’m am seriously convinced that AIG hires these people to go onto forums and yank everyones chain, so as to make it look like a big debate.
Anyway, I’ve got to install a few new programs on my system, so keep up the good work and I’ll catch later. :)
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You took the words right out of my mouth, Dr. Maglacey
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@Dr Maglacey
You’re right about pb on the BBC forum. His original pet line was ‘Why hasn’t anyone ever shown a half-evolved feather?’. Then forum poster Tony Jackson, I assume a scientist, posted a list of references to scientific journal articles concerning fossils in China that did show half-evolved feathers. His excuse for ignoring them: my internet connection is too slow to download the links. Then he turned to the 200 scientists on AIG. So I pointed out to him that science is not decided by majority vote. But that if you want to play the numbers game, someone else stated there are 353000 pro-evolution scientists, i. e. almost 2000:1 in favour of evolution. But does he accept that science speaks in favour of evolution? No, of couirse not. He prefers to focus on the tiny exception to claim that the scientific field is divided. Sigh.
Btw: would the BBC forum posters ‘Observer’, ‘Questioner’, ‘Mark’ and ‘Nikky’ happen to be you?
Also of interst on that BBC blog in case you missed it in the Discovery Christmas thread: Richard Dawkins was elected man of the year in the area of religion, ethics anb media. Thanks in part to the votes by you, my fellow Pastafarians. Thanks for your votes.
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Reguarding the BBC forum posters, I don’t know what you mean DutchPastaGuy.
I’m not Mark, but sometimes I do have a problem remembering who I am on all these blogs. I’m pretty sure that I’m Nikki though, at least on one or two posts. Depends on the subject at the time I think.
Must be quite rather disconcerting for PB having so many different science types posting against him though. ;)
Mark is doing an excellent job over there, but I fear that pb really is only trying to waste his time. I hope Mark doesn’t get too bogged down in it, as I’m sure he has more promising things to do. The forums on that site seem to take so long to load (could be my system) and then there is the moderation waiting time. Very time consuming!
Mark is also a lot more eloquent and concise than those other posters you named.
As you said Tony Jackson’s post also stood out and I think, if I remember correctly, Peter Klaver too.
RAmen
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I think Wench Nikky may be Dr. Maglacey! ( don’t tell the little daffodil though ;)
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Hope you don’t work for the secret service DutchPastaGuy.
Nikky
…………..Who is now suffering badly from an identity crisis. ;)
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Hi Nikky,
Mark and Tony are indeed doing good work. Mine (Peter Klaver) has been limited mostly to applauding Tony and the others for their constructive science approach. And maybe tearing down some of the very obvious flaws in pbs posts. My last reply to pb has been to say I’m done with answering his nonsense and to encourage the other scientist posters to ignore him also. As you said, it wastes so much time.
The BBC blog waiting times are not in your system. The blog server doesn’t render the total thread as a single html page that it then sends , instead it sends each post one by one. So if there are 80 posts in a thread, you go through the latency, tcp/ip overhead etc 80 times.
Hope you get your sense of self back soon. And don’t worry, I spend my working hours doing a bit of numerical quantum mechanics calculations on FeCr alloys. No secret service angle in it at all.
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I’m sure I’ve just made my last response there. There was one ( 43. Joseph Mastropaolo, so it was back a bit.) that I had missed.
No doubt someone already answered. What got me was, on checking, this Professor has earned a few credentials , (Education:
B.S. Kinesiology, Brooklyn College, NY – 1950
M.S. Kinesiology, University of Illinois – 1955
Ph.D. Kinesiology, University of Iowa – 1958
Electrocardiography and Biophysics of the Circulation, University of Chicago, Medical School – 1962,63 )
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but threw up:
Quote:
“Evolution and its alleged spontaneous generation origin were disproven by Dr. Francesco Redi in 1668, then more rigorously by Louis Pasteur in 1864, and most rigorously by John Tyndall in 1877. Those reproducible experiments have never been overturned.
After 1877, the vitalism humbug of evolution joined mysticism, astrology, and alchemy in the dustbin of history.”
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Unbelievable!!!!
I bet AIG is paying him some big retirement money. Bloody con artists, the lot of them!
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I read post 43 as well. Amazing and depressing at the same time. That post was actually useful to me, as it provided the number of pro-evolution scientists (353000). Creationists like to hold up the 200+ scientists who support Creationism on the AIG website. Not that science is decided by democratic majority or a large minority, but if you want to play the numbers game, it’s nice to see that for every Creationist scientists, there are ~1700 evolutionists.
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“That post was actually useful to me, as it provided the number of pro-evolution scientists (353000).”
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The Professor Joseph Mastropaolo post?
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Sorry, yes you are right :)
I didn’t remember because I was concentrating on the spontaneous generation bit.
Getting tired here, almost time to log out.
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@theAntibush Jan 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm : …I did not inhale.
If find your response entirely disingenuous and designed to mislead.
The question is not whether you inhaled, but did she….
I actually came in the hail the Miracle we have seen.
For lo! It came to pass that the prophet saw that he had made a mistake and the spelling of Separation was corrected. For such is the humility of the prophet and the FSM that they can make a right cock-up and take full responsibility instead of blaming it on some obvious sock-puppet ‘talking snake’ or deeply suspect ‘free will’ bullshit like some other deities we could mention but are far too polite.
Come on God that snake thing has never been seen since and it was you standing behind a bush wasn’t it. It’s be 4000 years or so (apparently) surely you can be man enough (or even God enough?!) to admit it.
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Who are AIG? And are they in any way related to the people who sponsor Manchester United?
And further more, WTF is someone saying the discredited principle of ’spontaneous generation’ (that complex lifeforms arise frequently spontaneously from ‘inert’ matter) in any way detracts from evolution (that under the right conditions complex lifeforms will inevitably evolve over hundreds of millions of years in incremental steps guided by the intrinsic but undirected manifest process of natural selection arising inevitablely from the nature of self reproductive entities).
These guys really, really should pay a lot more attention in school.
This stuff or 14-16 year-olds, guys. Get with the program!
We really have found their problem if they don’t understand the difference between those two.
Is someone suggesting that 1 in 1700 doesn’t understand that? What is the definition of scientist in use here?
RAmen
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“Who are AIG?”
Answers In Genesis
It seems that all of the YEC organisations (bar one, I think?) are part of their conglomerate. Including ‘Truth in Science’
Stated agenda of social engeneering to implement religious principles into all levels of society!! Yet they always claim there is some type of conspiracy among scientists.
For all the low down on the YECs in UK and their affiliations (masters).
See the British Centre for Science Education (BCSE) for what appears to be a mass of well documented information reguarding these YEC groups.
It appears to be an excellent site, although I’ve only visited briefly but will be going back there. Sounds like quite a few closet ghosts exist.
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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“Truth In Science – A Primer on the Organisation”
Roger Stanyard, 30th June 2006 (updated September 2006)
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience#primer
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‘TRUTH IN SCIENCE [TIS]‘
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I’ve got one of my own… TRUTH IN THE SPAGHETTI [TITS]
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Hi Captain Noodulous,
You wrote:
“These guys really, really should pay a lot more attention in school.”
Unfortunately, the YECs and IDiots are trying to push Creationism into schools, sometimes disguised as supposed science under the nomer of Intelligent Design. So maybe the laziness of some students will save us: kids not listening to what BS is being peddled to them.
You wrote:
“Is someone suggesting that 1 in 1700 doesn’t understand that? What is the definition of scientist in use here?”
The 200+ Creationsist scientists are the ones listed on AIG, most of them do have PhDs and even professors titles. The 353000 Evolutionists are a number I got from a discussion about religion vs science on a BBC blog. I don’t know where it came from originally or how accurate it is.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 2nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm
“For lo! It came to pass that the prophet saw that he had made a mistake and the spelling of Separation was corrected. For such is the humility of the prophet and the FSM that they can make a right cock-up and take full responsibility instead of blaming it on some obvious sock-puppet ‘talking snake’ or deeply suspect ‘free will’ bullshit like some other deities we could mention but are far too polite.
Come on God that snake thing has never been seen since and it was you standing behind a bush wasn’t it. It’s be 4000 years or so (apparently) surely you can be man enough (or even God enough?!) to admit i”
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Hahahahaha
RAmen
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The shcools that try to shove religion down the students throats may well just make them into athiests, I mean seariously, how many people here never tried to find some bit of information, obscure of otherwise, to try and catch a teacher out? all the religious bs might just get them to research the real world. Or maybe it’s just an Irish thing, probably is, the best way to get us to do something is to ban it (within reason).
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@Rabbit
“Or maybe it’s just an Irish thing, probably is, the best way to get us to do something is to ban it (within reason).”
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True for a lot of Auatralian Irish decendents.
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Right on Rabbit. I agree. Baning without a reason is like a red flag, look at me, truth! truth!… (I’m Irish)
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That is so very true, many students have visited this website since the school had it blocked. (Apparently we use too many cuss words and pornography laden phrases ^_^)
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Rabbit is clearly very wise. My mother is an adamant atheist to the point where she would have been as disappointed with her children if they were religious as if they turned out gay, she dislikes Christians in particular. The reason for this is that she went to a faith school, a convent, where she was bulled by nuns for years. I thought that this was limited to Europe, or at least the Weston world till one day I was talking to an indian friend who divulged that his mother hates Christians because she went to a convent school on the other side of the world.
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“pornography laden phrases”
Noodley Appendage maybe?
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Wench Nikkiee, Hi Nikkiee.
No I’m not picking on you! But I must say, your spelling, typing, whatever.
Has gone down the crapper, these last couple of days! hahaha
Have you been drinking? hahaha
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@Beastly Rich
My father too Beastly. His mum was an Irish Catholic! Relatives wanted to get a preist to his deathbed and as wasted as he was, you could see his anger. His immediate family (us) didn’t let them.
RAmen
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@Peter Popoff
Hi Peter
“But I must say, your spelling, typing, whatever. Has gone down the crapper, these last couple of days!”
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I blame it on, too much of trying to have a disussion with oily illiterate IDiots.
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@Wench Nikky Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:49 pm:
Just checking because the worlds largest insurance company is called the American International Group (AIG) and I’m liable to get the two mixed up.
I do like the quote:
No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
– Answers in Genesis’ Statement of Faith
Its good that everyone keeps an open mind…
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Nikky (when did you change your name from Nikkiee and why?) relax… relax.. count to 10 and relax…
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Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 3rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Nikky (when did you change your name from Nikkiee and why?) relax… relax.. count to 10 and relax…
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When it got to hard for her to spell it! hahahahaha.
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Actually, if I recall correctly, someone else kept misspelling it, and that’s why she changed. Is that right Nikkiee?
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I knew her when she was dead….
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@L’TUAE_42 Jan 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 pm: Pornography Laden Phrases.
Please provide references and relevant links.
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“Actually, if I recall correctly, someone else kept misspelling it, and that’s why she changed. Is that right Nikkiee?”
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Not my fault I’ve got cheese for a brain
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@Peter Popoff
hahahaha
If I remember correctly you and Alchemist were complaining that you couldn’t spell
it….so nurr :P
@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA
“No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
- Answers in Genesis’ Statement of Faith”
Excellent Captain, I’ve got just the forum to paste that quote too.
“Please provide references and relevant links.”
Yeah come on L’TUAE_42. Cough up
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@Alchemist Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
“Actually, if I recall correctly, someone else kept misspelling it,”
You practically “begged” me to change the spelling Alchemist……….hahahahaha
It’s OK I did have trouble with the spelling myself…..always seemed like a hell of a lot more “e” in there than there was.
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Alchemist, hey, please stop sending me those love letter emails!
My wife is still pissed that I call out… Wench Nikkiee…
In the middle of the night, I don’t think she’ll stand for to much more!
Ramen
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Nikkiiieeeee – I still get it wrong :) It’s like driving – left or right – what the hell, the middle will do.
Oh, I do not beg. Ever – well, not usually but that’s just a bloke thing (snigger).
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA
“No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
- Answers in Genesis’ Statement of Faith”
Is there a link for that per chance, Captain
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Aw Peter, what can I say. Our love was doomed from the start. A transatlantic love affair destined for failure. We can still take the piss though?
The poor little fellow doesn’t know how to play, does he (TLM)?
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Sorry folks – have to hit the sack now – nasty w word the past two days has left me knackered.
Take care
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I want to say, to all here. That I do appreciate this website, and the sanity displayed by most.
I don’t know why I do it, but I go to christian forums and think I can make a difference.
Foolish at best, but it’s nice to be able to come here, and feel somewhat sane.
Even with the oars and the funni boi, you folks pull me through! haha
thanks!
Ramen
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RAmen Peter
BTW If you and Alchemist are going to be serious about your love, you will have to learn to watch/love the cricket.
That way you can both have a good cry together. A couple that cries together stays together. :P I’m sure Alchemist would appreciate it.
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I couldn’t make this crap up, if I wanted too…
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How to be a good Christian fountain…
Inflate your cheeks, and build up some pressure in your mouth. Pinch your nose if you need to.- With your cheeks inflated, try breathing in and out through your nose.- Here’s one to try at home, in the shower, or over the sink. Get a mouthful of water. While breathing through your nose normally, force a steady stream of water out through your lips. The key is to get a steady stream of water forced out by your cheek muscles, while breathing through your nose. Once your muscles have learned this “contradictory†set of actions.- Now, using a straw and a glass of water about 1/3 full, practice blowing bubbles with cheek pressure, and alternating the source of air, first lungs, then cheeks. Sniff air in while using your cheeks to create a steady stream of bubbles. In this exercise, the purpose is to make the switch between lung and cheek power, and keeping the bubbles coming steadily.
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I think a lot more Americans have to take a stand. The news just keeps getting worse.
Other governments need to be pressured not to let this insidious disease into their own countries as well. The fight has only just begun.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061231_chris_hedges_americas_holy_warriors/
RAmen
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What’s this? Peter Popoff and Alchemist are secretly in love? When did this happen!? I feel so out of the loop. (But congrats anyway to the ‘happy couple’ XD)
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Nikky, this has been reported in the news for a while — the US armed forces are a wing of the evangelical church. If the recruits don’t bow down to their superiors’ Christian beliefs then they are ostracized, and worse.
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Down with the military!
Down with the opressive primarily Christian government!
Kill the Royalists!
KILL THE ROYALISTS!!!
Then again, Democracy can be preserved, but not without it’s drawbacks:
1. If we do let Democracy live, then the Christians will continue opressing us
2. They could just take power again
3. The military would continue being run by these nazis
SO, an alternative:
Rather than waiting, let’s pack our fleece jackets and go to Hell!
Or Mongolia, either way, freedom awaits gents!
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Wench Nikky Jan 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 pm
I think a lot more Americans have to take a stand. The news just keeps getting worse.
Other governments need to be pressured not to let this insidious disease into their own countries as well. The fight has only just begun.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061231_chris_hedges_americas_holy_warriors/
RAmen
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Good link Nikkiee, The forum is lopsided though, all the posts are logical, and sensible.
We both know that doesn’t happen, it was a good read though.
REamen
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Yeah, it is over the top Peter. Thing is, it is the stuff of dreams of the evangelical fundamentalists. You’ve only got to go to a few of the more serious science forums to see how insidiously hard these YEC?IDiots are fighting to infiltrate their world view into society. Their agenda of redefining society into a biblical framework through education and politics is rarely, even thinly, veiled. Even when they are arguing with you, that there is no scientific evidence for evolution and any presented is a global conspiracy of scientists. Not just biologists ect who subscribe to evolution either. All fields of science are in on this conspiracy. These people are crazy and do strive hard to recruit anyone in power they can.
We’re lucky in OZ, but Bush’s tendencies and it’s global influence them keeps me, just a a little alert. The possible scenarios portrayed in that article are extreme, however. Reguardless of the over the top nature of the article, I have no doubt how dangerous these people could be with influence/power in the right places.
The evangelicals certainly work their butts off to get the numbers of supporters.
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@Peter Popoff
Check out the Dawkins forum, it’s probably a little more critical of the article. (when I last looked anyway).
http://richarddawkins.net/article,481,Americas-Holy-Warriors,Chris-Hedges-truthdig
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No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
- Answers in Genesis’ Statement of Faith
Well, somuch for their claims to be scientific! This simply rules out every evidence except that which fits their conclusion.
I also wonder which scripture exactly they mean? Probably not that bible where the made that little mistake of leaving out NOT in “thou shalt not commit adultery” ?
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@gill Jan 3rd, 2007 at 7:45 pm
“What’s this? Peter Popoff and Alchemist are secretly in love? When did this happen!? I feel so out of the loop. (But congrats anyway to the ‘happy couple’ XD)”
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It’s OK gill, we all kinda missed it, but you can’t fool TLM. No siree, he was onto it right away, he was. You just can’t put anything past one blessed with incredibly high interlect intelligence and awareness such as his.
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It’s andy mcIntoshs’ scientific and rational critique of modern geology that persuaded me.
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“Furthermore the science of a worldwide Flood is completely consistent with the fossil record. Right through the fossil record are fossils of both extinct creatures and those like today, sometimes in the same strata. The fish found in the old red sandstone of Scotland were not so different to fish today. Some were exactly the same as those today. The sedimentary geology of Scotland and around the world bears testimony to the geological power not ‘of the vestiges of an antique past’ but of recent events 4,500 years ago. Indeed some strata can only be explained by catastrophic deposition. For instance the coal seams all over the world, in places miles thick, are formed from vegetation, but the high rank coal that is often found in these seams can only be explained by catastrophic deposition, since high rank coal needs oxygen exclusion of the vegetation that would otherwise only form a low grade peat. Other evidence of polystrate fossil trees running right across strata again indicate rapid deposition and burial – all consistent with a worldwide Flood and which we have no excuse not to believe in. The rocks all around us testify to this, and we do well to heed, for God states (2 Peter 3) that the same Word that brought in the ferocity of worldwide judgement at the flood, will usher in the last days when every knee shall bow before the Creator and Judge – none other than our Saviour in all His glory.”
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Source: The incompatibility of Biblical Christianity and Evolution, see also edited version in Evangelical Alliance’s Idea magazine, July/August 2005
http://www.wasdarwinright.com/sixdays.htm
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Nikkiee,
What I find odd, is they don’t call themselves militia anymore.
Unless I just didn’t read it.
That is what they were originally called. Near where I live, they have a compound (they the michigan militia). That doesn’t really exsist, yet it houses something like 3,000 invisible, gun toting bible thumping militants. That are completly self supported, and somehow fly under the governments radar?
The compound has/hasn’t been there since about 1990. I don’t know what scares me more, the fact these camps are well established across the country? Or the fact that for the most part, they are invisible.
Heres a little insight…
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Militia_M.asp?xpicked=4&item=19
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L’TUAE_42 Jan 1st, 2007 at 5:59 pm
on the serious side, I think that right now the situation in America is very bad, but i also think it goes in cycles. When my dad was a kid children would be laughed out of school for even bringing up religiuos discussions. It just wasn’t polite and didn’t happen. It will get better eventually.
Interestingly, you know the senator who just swore in? Some jacks were making a fuss over how he swore on the Koran. You’re not even supposed to swear on anything, most people just bring something important along with them, “happened†to be a bible mostly.If I ever get elected, I’m gonna make a stack of Lord of the Rings, Hitchhikers Guide, and Asimov books to swear on.^_^
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L’TUAE, this guy gets to use Thomas Jefferson’s Quran, for his swearing in…
Regardless of what this women says…
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‘Some critics have argued that only a Bible should be used for the swearing-in. Last month, Virginia Republican Rep. Virgil Goode warned that unless immigration is tightened, “many more Muslims” will be elected and follow Ellison’s lead.’
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The times, they are a chang’n.
Heres the link…
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/03/congressman.quran.ap/index.html
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@ TLM Jan 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
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“…A couple that cries together stays together.”
Sniff, sniff. I detect an Australian accent in that post. Hmmm, overtones of Wench like character and a subtle hint of formalin :)
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“What’s this? Peter Popoff and Alchemist are secretly in love? When did this happen!? I feel so out of the loop. (But congrats anyway to the ‘happy couple’ XD)â€
Yeah, I totally missed that.
you guys wanted references? let me go see if I can get on the school webpage from here. I’ll be back. But ya know, it only blocks it when you bring up any page cept the main.So of course people want to know more about it and access from home.
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okay, you can get to to homepage, but you can’t get to other websites FROM the homepage. So it’s useless if you want to see how it blocks the side pages. I did find out our network just uses a counter. If a page has over a predtermined number of “inapropriate” words, it gets blocked. I’m sure it’s from all the hate mail we get.
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Alchemist Jan 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
@ TLM Jan 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
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“…A couple that cries together stays together.â€
Sniff, sniff. I detect an Australian accent in that post. Hmmm, overtones of Wench like character and a subtle hint of formalin :)
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I don’t know about you, Alchemist.
But I am flattered that our little trist was noticed!
I thought we were doing a good job of keeping it a secret too!
I’m blushing… … … …
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@Alchemist Jan 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
@ TLM Jan 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
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“…A couple that cries together stays together.â€
Sniff, sniff. I detect an Australian accent in that post. Hmmm, overtones of Wench like character and a subtle hint of formalin :)
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Hahahahahaha
It’s that bloody identity crisis again. hahahaha
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@Peter Popoff Jan 4th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
“That is what they were originally called. Near where I live, they have a compound (they the michigan militia). That doesn’t really exsist, yet it houses something like 3,000 invisible, gun toting bible thumping militants. That are completly self supported, and somehow fly under the governments radar?”
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Militia_M.asp?xpicked=4&item=19
Thanks Peter. Saved the link and will have a read later. Such links/info are very handy to havesin certaind discussions.
RAmen
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@Peter Popoff Jan 4th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
“If I ever get elected, I’m gonna make a stack of Lord of the Rings, Hitchhikers Guide, and Asimov books to swear on.^_^”
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Peter Popoff!!! For shame Peter!
No GoFSM. I’s start praying to His Noodleyness and repent. While His Noodleyness has no problem with shared faith, I think it is blaspheme to exclude His Gospel from your list.
May you be sentenced to the consumption of 2-3 Tequila Cakes!!!!
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Oh no, Nikkie.
I was quoting L’TUAE there. She said that, I would have to be sworn in on a deck of cards myself. Although, the GoFSM, is a possibility.
Ramen
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I ask this to the gathered:
having lurked for a while and my conversion took place on Jan 1, 2007,
I now would like to know how best to spread the word at a long upcoming weekend in Vermont amongst friends from college (alas a while ago for the tassel turn).
Should I boldy go forth smiting about with sauceredness?
subtly turn the conversation towards pasta and pirates?
display my pirate fish and wait for queries?
or another way?.
Haveing been know to frequent the fointain of drafts and having come home with the
curse of the stipper (glitter!;)), what should I do?
Please note that I have the pirate fish on my car, and am bringing the large pirate fish flag to unfurl if conversion(s) take place.
Help.
Arrggghhhh and befurter mateys
RAmen
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There is a whole section here, with printable flyers and stuff to help you in your ministres, heres a link… http://www.venganza.org/materials/
good luck and,
Ramen
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ah yes,
I was wonderin’ more in the manner in which it behooves one
to spread the word.
Sure the props are the means by which to inform
I was asking the way that was the preferred way to
bring the topic to the conversation
not wanting to be gauche but not fearing to be either
after all coming of age with Zappa/MoI and the Firesign Theater
I was hoping for insight in the devious paths that may have been recounted.
BTW: the liquid of choice at thesae gatherings is Zubrovka so maybe
the christmas decoration story from Poland may come in handy.
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RAise the glass and pRAaise his noodliness.
Also tonight we will dine with one who will slurp publicly in Hell’s Kitchen
and thereby be touched by his noodily appendage; so my ministry is progressing
FSMF::FFSM
RAmen
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Well, we are a scurvy bunch. I say, talk like a pirate, kiss the wenches.
Be forthright, and commanding! People respond to power! And will want to be like you!
And if that doesn’t pan out, at least you’ll have kissed some wenches! It’s win/win really!
Ramen
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@Peter “…I don’t know about you, Alchemist.
But I am flattered that our little trist was noticed!
I thought we were doing a good job of keeping it a secret too!
I’m blushing… … … …”
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hahaha. I think Daffodil must be feeling a bit left out. He does seem to have become a little obsessed with us. I thought it was Nikky he had a thing for but now I’m not so sure.
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The ADL link’s a bit scary “…Anti-government and conspiracy-oriented in nature; prominent focus on firearms”. Sounds like quite a combination, paranoid nutters with a gun fetish.
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Alchemist Jan 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
The ADL link’s a bit scary “…Anti-government and conspiracy-oriented in nature; prominent focus on firearmsâ€. Sounds like quite a combination, paranoid nutters with a gun fetish.
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Yeah, they scare the hell out of me. I’ve seen two of their camps.
On the upshot though, they believe in your good lord jesus christ!
I’m sure the guns are just for shooting possem and stuff.
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There is truth in what you say Peter.
Indeed the kissing wenches is a good thing]
goes well with the drinking the beer
and just for the grins later in the eve
I’ll try kissing the beer and drinking the wenches
wouldn’t want to deprive the gathering from having
legends to tell round the campfire.
BTW: what do you call mountain pirates?
remember I’ll be in the Green Mts of Vermont
Aye’m not afeared o’talking like a pirate
nor of the swagger, just curious as to whether there is
a historical reference
AHA!!!!!!! –just found it–
http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Grose-VulgarTongue/l/land-pirates.html
they be called Highwaymen! Of course!
And so it came to pass not so long ago that a Highwayman and his one or two
skallywag companions came into the Green Mountains and laid about with noodles and ale with a splash of Zubrovka and ‘presso to bring the misinformed and uninformed and uniformed and such into the glow of his noodly appendage therby making that corner of the Green Mountains safe for strippers yet again and so did the volcano of beer arise and all was well.
Okay. that works for me
FSMF::FFSM
RAmen
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Commendatore Cappellini, Thats a way cool link! Cool songs and everything! You will be a good pirate, me thinks!
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Ya-Hip, My Hearties!
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From MOORE’S Tom Crib’s Memorial to Congress:—“Sung by Jack Holmes, the Coachman, at a late Masquerade in St Giles’s, in the character of Lord C—st—e—on … This song which was written for him by Mr. Gregson, etc.â€.
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I first was hired to peg a Hack
They call “The Erin†sometime back,
Where soon I learned to patter flash,
To curb the tits, and tip the lash—
Which pleased the Master of The Crown
So much, he had me up to town,
And gave me lots of quids a year,
To tool “The Constitutions†here.
So, ya-hip, hearties, here am I
That drive the Constitution Fly.
II
Some wonder how the Fly holds out,
So rotten ’tis, within, without;
So loaded too, through thick and thin,
And with such heavy creturs IN.
But, Lord, ’t will last our time—or if
The wheels should, now and then, get stiff,
Oil of Palm’s the thing that, flowing,
Sets the naves and felloes going.
So ya-hip, Hearties! etc.
III
Some wonder, too, the tits that pull
This rum concern along, so full,
Should never back or bolt, or kick
The load and driver to Old Nick.
But, never fear, the breed, though British,
Is now no longer game or skittish;
Except sometimes about their corn,
Tamer Houghnhums ne’er were born.
So ya-hip, Hearties, etc.
IV
And then so sociably we ride!—
While some have places, snug, inside,
Some hoping to be there anon.
Through many a dirty road hang on.
And when we reach a filthy spot
(Plenty of which there are, God wot),
You’d laugh to see with what an air
We take the spatter—each his share.
So ya-hip, Hearties! etc.
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Nikky (RE: Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pm):
That quote from AIG you asked for can be found at
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp?vPrint=1
Do take a look at that page folks – it’s a real corker.
RAMen
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Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Nikky (RE: Jan 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pm):
That quote from AIG you asked for can be found at
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp?vPrint=1
Do take a look at that page folks – it’s a real corker.
RAMen
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haha, Captain. That is a hoot!
I’ve read all 66 books of the Bible.
And the lord almighty, still hasn’t bought me a beer!
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it’s bad. like a total denial of anything even remotely scientific
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Awast there me frenz ‘ere’s one I found
Artist: Zox
Album: Take Me Home
Title: Ode To The Mountain Pirates
raise your cups mountain pirates
let’s stop and have a drink
and observe a moment’s silence
we all need some time to think
cuz we’ve had a long hard day
unassuming, unafraid
and we bared our skin and bone
and we climbed atop this stone
so let us lie, mountain pirates
and look up at the stars
because I know that we are tired
but we’ve found out who we are
and upon this bed of dirt
we’ll pacify the hurt
upon this precipice
we know just what living is (living is, living is)
and so on to tonight’s conversion.
see youse next week
Arrggghhhh and befurter
FSM::FFSM
RAmen
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp?vPrint=1
Thanks Captain. I was keen, so did a search and found it on this page (mission statement) as well:
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http://www.ministrywatch.org/mw2.1/F_FullRpt.asp?EIN=330596423
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Wench Nikky Jan 5th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp?vPrint=1
Thanks Captain. I was keen, so did a search and found it on this page (mission statement) as well:
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http://www.ministrywatch.org/mw2.1/F_FullRpt.asp?EIN=330596423
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Nikky, so I guess you it put the whole phrase in to Google.
Its all over the internet like a nasty rash.
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Hey, I agree with AIG on something:
D5:
The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious,’ is rejected.
Darn tootin!
RAMen.
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Didn’t know what thread to post this on so took pot luck.
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**From the BBC “Anjem Choudary, a former spokesman for the now banned Al-Muhajiroun organisation, said Muslims were treated as “second class citizens” and could not get a “fair trial”.
He said: “Muslims are demonised and vilified.
“This is a failure of capitalism, of democracy and the freedom of speech.” **
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This comment is a result of a guilty verdict having been passed upon Umran Javed for soliciting murder. He was one of the protesters over the publication of the mohammad cartoons in the Danish press.
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again, from the BBC
.”Aved told a crowd of hundreds at the February 2006 protest: “Bomb, bomb Denmark, bomb, bomb USA.”
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This was the protest where people were carrying placards with slogans such as “Behead those who insult Islam”, death to those who insult Islam and various references to 9/11 and Europe had better watch out, you’re next etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6235279.stm
Strangely, in December, a Yemeni editor was fined for printing the cartoons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6213032.stm
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That prick has the gall to talk about freedom of speech!
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This comes on the same day that the UK popularity party (Labour) appears to be putting pressure on the human fertilisation and embryology authority to reject a proposal that would aid stem cell research. Why? Public opposition! The BBC website shows 60% of responders *in favour* of the research! Only 500ish responses to the white paper – predominantly from *faith groups*.
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Stop the world, I want to get off.
Rant over
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 5th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
“Nikky, so I guess you it put the whole phrase in to Google.”
Actually can’t remember how I got it. Been absorbing a lot of info over the past week.
What you posted was very handy. :) :)
I even noticed that little snippet got posted on the BBC McIntosh forum.
RAmen for finding it.
I am interested in the creationists in positions of power who have had criminal charges brought against them. (often for fraud if I remember) I know Ken Hovind has, but can’t remember others I have come across. There was a post on the BBC blog reguarding creationists caught out lying.
I’ve seen other names from time to time, but can’t recall them.
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@Commendatore Cappellini & Peter- exccellent songs! Finally a bit of variety for the pirate get togethers. Bottle O Rum was starting to get a little repetitive.
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We have a pirate-song in the Netherlands about Piet Heijn who stole a whole fleet full of silver from the Spanish. We were at war with them at the time, so it was legal piracy. He even got a medal for it. Folks still sing it at sportsmatches and so on.
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Going back to that dreadful Answers in Genesis thing.
There is a beautiful contradiction – it starts off by saying about the triune nature of god – 3 for the price of 1 stuff, then about halfway down…
Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone
How does that work then?
And that bit about nothing is true if it contradicts the bible – grrrrrr – it contradicts itself FFS!
I just am so amazed that “intelligent” people can spout this crap!
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I’ve just finished reading the AIG article on Oil-generation. I’ve been in the oil exploration business for over 18 years and I’ve never heard such utter garbage. If they are correct in thinking that oil could be generated in such a short time, the oil co’s wouldn’t spend millions of $’s drilling a well – they could dump a load of organic material at sea, bury it with a few tons of clay and then produce oil from it a month or so later.
I don’t know how you guys can keep going back to sites like AIG. Half an hour of reading it and I felt like clawing my own eyes out!
FSM Bless you all!
RAmen
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@Booty Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:41 am
There’s an excellent section in the Dawkins book ‘The God Delusion’ about the total wacko written about the trinity.
To be honest all the vaguely intelligent Catholics I’ve ever met tend to shuffle their feet and look at their shoes when you ask them about the nature of the trinity.
Remember even the Catholics think the fundies like AIG are nut cases!
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@OFT
Maybe you also spotted the bit about the second law of thermodynamics. Unfortunately, it’s not just people from AiG who come up with stuff like that. Here in the UK we have prof. Andy McIntosh, YEC who says that evolution violates TSLOT:
p://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/andy_mcintosh_update.html
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http://www.wasdarwinright.com/flood.htm
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wow look!
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How did the flood drown fish?
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Try clicking on the evidence for Noah’s flood link.
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the page isn’t the only thing, haha!
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Beastly, I like the way their creationist web site is run by a Zeus server!
Are they a group of covert pagans worshipping the classical Greek Gods?
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@OFT
“I don’t know how you guys can keep going back to sites like AIG. Half an hour of reading it and I felt like clawing my own eyes out!”
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Know exactly how you feel OFT. However, they provide some excellent ammunition for their opposition to use. AIG, the more ridiculous, the better for others to point out what a screwball cult these people really are.
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Wench Nikky Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Know exactly how you feel OFT. However, they provide some excellent ammunition for their opposition to use. AIG, the more ridiculous, the better for others to point out what a screwball cult these people really are.
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Thats what I like about you Nikkiee. Anything for a fight! Just kidding, I do the same thing.
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me too.
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@Beastly Rich Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am
I must have rained so hard it bashed the fishes brains in…
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Sorry, I’m not the one getting delusions of grandeur round here…
I meant:
@Beastly Rich Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am
It must have rained so hard it bashed the fishes brains in…
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AR! I know those kids!
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which kids?
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Arrrrrrrrrrrr.
I went through the conversion to CoFSm in response to the Dec 28 news release by PEER regarding the Grand Canyon flap
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801
and I’m wondering if anyone knows where on FSM this is being discussed.
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and on another note::::
this weekend me and my wench will be traveling to the Green Mts as
highwaymen to continue our FSM ministry in the mountains of Vermont,
actually near Manchester.
Be there any pirating that needs to be done nearthere?
FSMF::FFSM
RAmen
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“which kids?”
those two pagans.
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0l-l S33tl\l3ss!
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hhmmmmmm
verrrry interesting.
PB
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Hello there pb – I knew a bear called that once….
Glad to know you are interested – if a little odd with your spelling!
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Hi pb, nice of you to drop in. How are your feathers going? Are they done yet?
Have all them big science meanies been picking on pb? Poor pb.
Excellent to see the Pastafarian word spreading to readers of the BBC blog. :)
RAmen
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It’s the infamous pb right here in our very own church. Well I’ll be!
RAmen
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Always good when you go fishing and catch something. :)
We thought you would have been over before now to read those posts pb. You loving the “evilutionary conspiracy” theory and all. What took you so long?
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Well noodles,
Remember that post I made in the past few days where I said that if I walked into your temple and was treated to the abuse you were giving me, I wouldnt be inclined to take to your faith… well what do you know…?
It looks like maybe the FSM isnt much of a God if that is how nice his followers are…
And well, are those big science meanies picking on me? well, in case you hadnt noticed my shoulders havent had any problems so far… and I dont see any coming.
And again, funny how the only people who have ever been talking about conspiracies are the ones who turned out to be orchestrating one to win Dawkins a BBC online award. hmmm.
All in all a very interesting experience :-D
And as for the feathers, well, as I said I have an ancient machine on dial up and cant download pdfs.
But if anyone can actually NAME a fossil I could cross ref it, well, then you might see some sparks!
Anyway, someone at the top of this blog said they thought I didnt like some of the people on the BBC blog, but you’re way off the mark.
I dont take any of this personally, to me it is ALL about testing ideas. I dont know, I read some of your stuff and doubtless many people have met many pretty nasty people who came in the name of God, so I cant say I would blame all of you for having a chip on the shoulder against people who called themselves Christians (Jesus will decide if they were or not).
For what its worth, I’m not a supporter of GW Bush, I dont believe the church’s first priority is to control the state. I wear jeans to church, I like a cigar, I like a beer and I like pasta (maybe there’s hope for me yet ;-) ).
Also, I have no connection whatsoever to any creationist group, nor do I subscribe to any modern “statements of faith”. And I am not a young earther as I have never examined the subject in detail.
But on the other hand I’m not going to tell you I dumping Jesus or the bible just to please you. The only thing I might ask is that if you look CLOSELY at my posts on BBC hopefully you will see I have almost never ever been nasty to any of you and am just a layman trying to test whether evolution works in my head or not.
I have no reason to attack or dislike any of you guys (apart from what I read above) but hey, you have all got a good sense of humour and I forgive you already…you rascals (that goes for you too Klaver!)
(Tomorrow is a new day though ;-) )
Amen
PB
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You may find that the above posts were a bit of mucking around at your expense pb
More a testing of your apparent conspiracy paranoia. Worked a treat. :)
The CoFSM has thousands of members and many post on other forums as well. Many Pastafarians are not Dawkins followers and most are not scientists. I personally didn’t notice anyone trying to convert you to their view on the BBC forum,, just by reading over it. It appears more like they were simply presenting the information you requested and answering the arguments you make.
RAmen
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@pb
“Also, I have no connection whatsoever to any creationist group, nor do I subscribe to any modern “statements of faithâ€.”
Easy to make that assumption on your unwavering (and uninformed) support of McIntosh and his unwavering determination to introduce the religous design theory into the science classroom!
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@pb
“The only thing I might ask is that if you look CLOSELY at my posts on BBC hopefully you will see I have almost never ever been nasty to any of you and am just a layman trying to test whether evolution works in my head or not.”
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Now that statement calls for a little repost on here of some of the evidence against its
validity.
Coming up.
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Oh… this should be good…
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**Grabs grog and spag, goes and finds a comfy barrel, settles down to watch the fireworks**
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I’ve seen pbs fireworks Jingles. I think you may be in for a lttle disapointment.
He does love to go on about the evilutionary Dawkinists atheists club a bit though.
He goes on about having no statement of faith, but worships the words the AiG “scientists” which have undertaken this oath. :)
I’m sure he’ll be back. He doesn’t appear to be ever able to see how bad he always makes himself look.
:) :)
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“And as for the feathers, well, as I said I have an ancient machine on dial up and cant download pdfs. But if anyone can actually NAME a fossil I could cross ref it, well, then you might see some sparks!”
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One of pbs repeated escape clause claims. He has been provided with mutiple references on 4 of the BBC forums, which DO NOT require downloading a pdf!
Everyone on the BBC forum has been relatively polite and patient with pb, considering that on my forums his pretenses would have had him labelled as a troll very early on.
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“I dont believe the church’s first priority is to control the state.”
pb obviously hasn’t read the AiG mission statement or similar staements on other creationist group websites, even though links were provided on the BBC blogs.
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Wench Nikiee, I read the forum, how much more evidence can one possibly want? And I agree, they remained pretty polite to the guy.
PB, i’m sorry, but I don’t believe YOU. You’re a creationist who will keep his eyes closed to anything contrary to your believes.
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Oh and pb, you do know that McIntosh is one of the main figures/salemen of Truth in Science?
You know, that’s the UK creation organisation that the American AiG head, Ken Ham, (along with another American AiG staffer) is a trustee of.
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.”
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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Source: Creation is No Side Issue (January 2004)
Author: Andy McIntosh
Creationist organisations to which he belongs or is associated with:
Truth in Science (board member); Answers in Genesis; Biblical Creation Society; Genesis Agendum
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/Theocracy
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Oh and pb, you do know that McIntosh is one of the main figures/salemen of Truth in Science?
You know, that’s the UK creation organisation that the American AiG head, Ken Ham, (along with another American AiG staffer) is a trustee of.
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.â€
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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Source: Creation is No Side Issue (January 2004)
Author: Andy McIntosh
Creationist organisations to which he belongs or is associated with:
Truth in Science (board member); Answers in Genesis; Biblical Creation Society; Genesis Agendum
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/Theocracy
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@Red DutchPasta Kidd
“And I agree, they remained pretty polite to the guy.”
PB certainly didn’t deserve it.
Would have interesting to see him carry on like that here.
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PB and others must take all the forum readers for idiots. Typical creationist attitude.
They pick the attitude up off the conmen they worship, the ones raking in the money!
I think that is just one of their big mistakes. They don’t realise that lack of education doesn’t make someone a gullible idiot willing to swallow their rubbish. On the contrary, many of the unindoctrinated/uneducated may be a little more street wise and see through the style of con rhetoric they use.
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Oh and Jingles, remember those cheap fireworks that, as a kid you lit in great anticipation?
Then they just fizzled!
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Not the ones I had… I performed a little surgery on them you see…
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What you do is you find the fireworks you want to go BOOM…
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Then you cut them deep. (I prefer the more delicate, scalpel approach, but a hacksaw suffices).
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Gather together all the crap that then comes spilling out, and slowly increase the heat on it (to drive off the water, of course).
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Then hedge it in with sturdy arguments – sorry, I mean cardboard, tape it up, and apply the spark.
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They blow up every time :D
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I did wonder if this was the famous pb – but I didn’t want to slag anyone off if they weren’t.
So, pb where are you?
I quite fancy quoting some evidence at you – and no pdf’s in sight.
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@Jingles
Yes, I do believe I know the technique. Sometimes I’ve had a little problem with the gradual increasing of heat, due to time constraints, but believe I have learned to improvise just a little.
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@Booty
I’m not really sure whether pb would feel that his smug assuredness would stand up here. On the BBC forum, he appears to mostly aim his posts at the wider readership rather than deal with those posting in the argument. I have one or two quotes of some of my favourite “pb acting posts” I might put up later when I get a chance.
It’s one of quite a few “I’m only inocently trying to learn, why is everybody being so evasive/not helping me/being mean” ones.
hahahahaha
The posts here also load instantly unlike the BBC forum.
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Edit @Wench Nikkiee Jan 12th, 2007 at 1:08 am
“considering that on mANy forums his pretenses would have had him labelled as a troll very early on.”
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Thanks Nikkiee!
Not sure where to post this – any advice?
But I just found this on my Live Journal ….
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Are wood splinters or cannon shot more deadly?
Can an eyepatch assist with night vision?
Is rum useful for cleaning?
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Find out the answers to these questions next Wednesday at 9:00 PM on The Mythbusters Pirate Special on the Discovery Channel!
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Hahaha
I think rum would be useful for cleaning. Good antiseptic (sp) I believe.
Probably handy as a “pour on” after removal of cannon shot and wood splinters too.
As long as too much isn’t wasted…err.. I mean used.
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@Booty Jan 12th, 2007 at 2:46 am
“Not sure where to post this – any advice? But I just found this on my Live Journal ….”
How about reposting it on our recipe thread as well. That is a good thread for all things everything.
http://www.venganza.org/2007/01/04/flying-spaghetti-monster-tourtiere.htm
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Will do – thanks.
I have e-mailed Bobby as well, but I am not sure he will get round to reading it.
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@Wench Nikkiee
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.â€
South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.
Like the idea of the US arm breaking off though… What happened to the legs?
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@OFT
“South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.”
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No doubt they’ll have a website to supply indoctrination propaganda. The BCSE is a wealth of info for those sort of details.
Both AiG and Creation Ministries are sneaky crowds OFT. The legs could be anywhere.
A Short History of Christian Fundamentalism
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/WhatIsCreationism?.
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The ones over in Africa, (don’t know about South, but they mostly seem to be connected), I find especially interesting. (for want of a more vile word)
They are fighting to get all of Bush’s AIDS funding off other organisations which support condom use and provide them.
Abstinence only you understand! They, along with some government officials, appear to be getting nice and fat off the funding too. I’ll stop there. It’s bedtime here and if I go any further, it’ll take me ages to get to sleep.
This is a good article of their “wonderful” AIDS missionary work in Africa.
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God and the Fight Against AIDS
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963
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Wench Nikkiee Jan 12th, 2007 at 5:34 am
@OFT
“South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.â€
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No doubt they’ll have a website to supply indoctrination propaganda. The BCSE is a wealth of info for those sort of details.
Both AiG and Creation Ministries are sneaky crowds OFT. The legs could be anywhere.
A Short History of Christian Fundamentalism
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/WhatIsCreationism?.
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The ones over in Africa, (don’t know about South, but they mostly seem to be connected), I find especially interesting. (for want of a more vile word)
They are fighting to get all of Bush’s AIDS funding off other organisations which support condom use and provide them.
Abstinence only you understand! They, along with some government officials, appear to be getting nice and fat off the funding too. I’ll stop there. It’s bedtime here and if I go any further, it’ll take me ages to get to sleep.
This is a good article of their “wonderful†AIDS missionary work in Africa.
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God and the Fight Against AIDS
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963
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RAmen
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South Africa: Creation Ministries International
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/CreationMinistriesInternational
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Evangelicalism is big business!
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“….Mackay’s partner, Ken Ham, who later went on to establish Answers in Genesis in the USA, appears to have, likewise, deeply fallen out with the Australians behind Creation Ministries. Indeed, in what again looks to be internal power struggles that threatened Ham’s position as head of Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries was split off from Answers in Genesis in early 2006.
What looks to have happened is that in the power struggle between Ken Ham and the Australians at what was then AiG Australia, Ham completely out manoeuvred them.
Creation Ministries International now basically consists of the main Australian founding arm of Answers in Genesis plus the former sister AiG operations in Canada, South Africa and New Zealand. However, CMI looks to be establishing new operations in the USA and the UK. We understand that this is partly the result of a “trade war†with Answers in Genesis in the USA over subscriptions to the organisations’ creationist journal…..”
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http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/CreationMinistriesInternational
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what am I on about?
On nothing much…just…
1) Evolutionists admitting multiplying false identities online to give the impression there are more of them than there are and to try and undermine an opponent (me).
2) Evolutionists admitting rigging an online poll to win the person of the year BBC award for one of their own, ie Dawkins.
3) An evolutionist with a phd in physics admitting using figures he was unsure of and has not checked to undermine the viewpoint of someone else (me).
As I said…
nothing much at all
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PB
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Dear pb; “1) Evolutionists admitting multiplying false identities online to give the impression there are more of them than there are and to try and undermine an opponent (me).” If you are suggesting that shear numbers of people somehow strengthen an argument against you, I’d say that’s christian thinking. That’s the christian’s argument. “there are more of us, so we must be right”. Lemmie tell you pb, one intelligent person armed with facts can shoot down a multitude of dunces. Sounds like you got a touch of the paranoia……or a case of the dunces.
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Peter
I dont know why there was a problem giving the name Jehol Biota long ago….
It seems there is far from a consensus on the transitional nature of the fossils (look closely…no hostility coming from this side of the discussion guys….)
PB
Scientists Say No Evidence Exists That Therapod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds
Science Daily —
CHAPEL HILL — No good evidence exists that fossilizedstructures found in China and which some paleontologists claim are theearliest known rudimentary feathers were really feathers at all, arenowned ornithologist says. Instead, the fossilized patterns appear tobe bits of decomposed skin and supporting tissues that just happen toresemble feathers to a modest degree.
Led by Dr. Alan Feduccia ofthe University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a team of scientistssays that as a result of their new research and other studies,continuing, exaggerated controversies over “feathered dinosaurs” makeno sense….
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051010085411.htm
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PBs personal problems:
“My personal problems are;-
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1) No obviously transitional species exisiting eg birds or bats with half wings or limbs or eyes. ie all animals are perfect and complete by creationism standards.
2) Transitional limbs being a definite liablity in natural selection.
3) No evidence aparent to me, admittedly a layman, that puts evolution ahead of creationism; ie both are required to be replicated in a lab. The examples of antibodies is cited by other authorities as “differention” and does not produce new species in the normal sense.
4) No matter what anyone says, static fossils do not actually prove evolution. That takes assumptions.”
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“ie both are required to be replicated in a lab.”
PB has been told on too many ocassions to count as those reading the forum could see:
“YOU DO NOT PROVE A SCIENTIFIC THEORY IN A LAB” you can only disprove it with conflicting evidence (of which the creationists have none). In the past 160yrs, nothing has been found which disproves the theory or in fact does not support it!
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PB, as has been said here a million times: the fact that the theory of evolution is incomplete does not prove creationism to be true.
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Marc, they said it a zillion times at the bbc site too. He won’t listen. But then creationists never do. Oh, pb : only creationists ever use the term evolutionists.
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damn, forgot to change my name here too! Oh, and pb I just wanted to change my name. I’m not posting under several mnames here or elsewhere.
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PB won’t listen to reason? Well, stupid is as stupid does. There are some folks who are in it just for the sake of fighting. Does PB know that when he comes into our church he needs to be dressed as a pirate? If he can post a link to a picture of himself dressed as a pirate, even just an eye patch, then that would give us a signal that we should engage him. Otherwise, he should be ignored.
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@pb
Give me some evidence that supports creationism. Not things to try and disprove evolution, things that directly support ID. If you can find enough of it to hold a candle to true science, then we will be very, very surprised.
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ps: Thanks for being polite, but please don’t expect all of us to return the favor. we are too used to replying to curse-filled hate mails.
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Boy, I was gone from the FSM forums for a day and look at the flurry of activity I missed! So, here is some catching up for me.
Welcome pb!!
As the person who got this ton of FSM-BBC blog crossover started, I welcome you to the website of your new faith. I see you are quoting aticles on Chinese fossils that maintain that birds were around 150 million years ago already. So much for your 6000-year-old creationism then. It is so heart-warming to see the positive influence Pastafarianism is already having on your life. Keep your heart open to the FSM and soon you will be one of us.
To the veterans on this site: have I not been doing my Pastafarian duties well lately? My drumming up of votes for Dawkins has eventually brought pb over here (because he thinks he has uncovered major evindence of a conspiracy in our forums). So we have a half-converted new soul among us. And while he is still finsihing his conversion, he can provide us with religious/hate mail. Our ship was running low on that lately. Thank goodness you’ve come pb.
And on a personal note I see another name suggesting a newly added Dutch presence. Ramen, whoever you are kidd, Ramen. May you, along with pb and all others, be touched by his noodly appendages!
Then a small admission. Pb has made me doubt evolution a tiny little bit. He has been dodging my questions on the BBC blog fow weeks now. It is really quite cowardly. This would seem to contradict common ancestry, or at least common recent ancestry. While most of us share a branch of evolution with apes, from his cowardice he seems to have more in common with weasles.
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@DutchPastaGuy
Well I used to be DutchPastaGirl but then I did this piratequiz (there is a link somewhere on this site). It turns out my “real” pirate name is Red Ethel Kidd. I decided to skip Ethel, it’s not really me, but keep the Kidd in memory of that famous pirate!
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@RedDutchPastaKidd,
Nice to know you under you old name, nice to know you under your new name. Bit of a pity that it doesn’t mean a new Dutch convert though.
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Peter
I dont have an eye patch so if I just hold my hand over my eye when I say this will that do?
Noticed you all getting quite embarrassed having been rumbled on the rigging poll business etc…
….very amateurish attempts at clawing back some dignity there Peter…
Any guys, not that it hasnt been fun, I have had a chuckle, but I got other things to do.
Re-oared Mark,
you havent been listening to what I’ve been saying; I am not trying to prove creationism to anyone, I am just testing evolution for myself. I havent enough science to prove anything to anyone.
Anyway guys, a fun sight and it has been a good laugh, do come over and visit us on the BBC sometime.
Amen
PB
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“Evolutionists”? People who agree with the theory of evolution(read: anyone with half a brain in their heads) aren’t called that, first of all, because evolution isn’t a religion! And your bowing out so early makes it seem like you simply don’t want to stay and debate. Can’t defend yourself or what?
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That is a complete cop out.
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@pb
“Noticed you all getting quite embarrassed having been rumbled on the rigging poll business etc…”
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Exactly how is spreading the word of a poll, vote rigging I wonder?
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“you havent been listening to what I’ve been saying; I am not trying to prove creationism to anyone, I am just testing evolution for myself. I havent enough science to prove anything to anyone.”
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I am not listening because I have not seen a link to a photo of you dressed as a pirate yet. You haven’t enough science to prove anything to anyone, including yourself. What books on evolution have you read? What courses have you taken? Are you testing evolution by going to pro-evolution websites and picking fights? Quite a curious scientific method. But, by your own admission you don’t have enough science to prove anything to anyone. I stand by my initial statement: stupid is as stupid does.
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@Iron gill Kidd Jan 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
“Evolutionists� People who agree with the theory of evolution(read: anyone with half a brain in their heads) aren’t called that,
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You are absolutely right Iron gill Kidd. This was a term invented by creationists to try and portray established ecolutionary principles as some type of religous dogma.
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Well, you learn something every day. I didn’t know evolutionist was a term used to insinuate dogma. I used it frequentlly here and on the BBC blog. Woops.
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@ pb
I don’t mean this to sound condescending, it’s just the way I talk sometimes, if you’re having so much trouble with understanding evolution, I would suggest a face to face discussion with someone who has studied biology, preferably not a particularily religious person, no reason for said person not to have faith, but a heavy dose of religious indoctrination could force them to subconsciously undermine the theory of evolution as they explain it.
While I’m talking, theory means tested, the theory of evolution has been more heavily tested than the laws of thermodynamics to my knowledge. Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.
About the person of the year vote, do you honestly think that there are enough of us to change the outcome so much? Thanks for the complement to our Church, but there are plenty of atheists around not here who I’m sure voted for him too.
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“Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.”
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And even if it was disproved, that wouldn’t prove creationism, as creationism has a vast amount of evidence contradicting it.
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Seeing as creationism is the fundie translation of ‘I don’t know’ it can’t have much to back it up, the other way of translationg ‘I don’t know’ into fundie, is ‘God did it’, sometimes with ‘you poor misguided soul, you really don’t understand do you?’ stuck on the end.
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@Noodlicous Jan 12th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Taken from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
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Hmmm… you know, when you get right down to it, there is nothing wrong with classifying a person by the opinions they hold. You can class them by religion (christian, muslim, scientologist, etc), by politics (liberal, tory, republican, etc), personal outlook (optimist, pessimist) and in other fields at least, the philosophy they feel best applies (eg. Marxist, Malthusian etc).
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So why shouldn’t you get the same divisions in scientific views?
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I’m damn proud to be an evolutionist, because it means I am someone who follows the scientific method, and holds in logical conjecture based on overwhelming evidence.
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So, say it loud and say it proud! I’M AN EVOLUTIONIST!
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Jingles
The evolutionist with bells on!
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@DutchPastaGuy
Not having a go at you or anything, but please don’t mention pbs name to me personally again. He is a troll and I’ve had reading his BS up to my limit. I’m am sure you know what I mean. I’ve just been over to the BBC blog and he is still going on about “the big Pastafarian conspiracy” lol
Seems you are getting the balme for all of it too. :(
That’ll teach you to call him out with your feathers :)
Anyway I’m kind of busy with some rather serious stuff at present, so I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Might get Wench Nikkiee to pay him a visit sometime in the near future, if she is not too busy.
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@Pastafarian #5,
With you on the troll verdict. Although I take it as a compliment to us Pastafarians that we are seen as a force serious enough to form dangerous conspiracies and plots to take over the world. The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club will be a monumental day for us, I feel. What better endosement as being taken serious can you get?
I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme” mean? If it means giving up, then you’re wrong. I’m just shifting to a different approach. Pb has been adressed often enough, I don’t think he has any credit left even among hard-line creationists. So now I’m going to see if they will stand up for him openly or distance themselves from him. I can imagine two scenarios that would both suit me fine.
1) they will denounce him as an utter arse themselves. Suits me fine.
2) none of them will speak out on his behalf. That is the scenario sofar. Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.
If they do speak out on his behalf I’ll just have to see what they say before deciding how to carry on.
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I’ve been reading that BBC McIntire forum. He really is a pompous knob isn’t he. Is there really any point debating anything with him?
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I keep thinking that I should stop lurking and post something as he seems to feel threatened by how many pastaferians there are
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Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?
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“I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme†mean?”
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hahaha It means I didn’t check my spelling! (us usual) I meant “blame” :)
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“Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.”
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Don’t overdo it too much or you’ll sound like he does. He continually uses what’s called an “argument from popularity” hence the constant “200 scientists”. The majority of people generally find it an annoying declaration no matter what the social/business situation.
You seem to do a good job of showing his ignorance and the deception in his declared intentions pretty well. But you are right, he must be embarrassing the hell out of the other creationists. I can only imagine how much the non-extremist Christians are cringing if they are reading his posts and I’d say there might be quite a few of those following along. They certainly won’t be happy with this fanatical money hungry cult, the creationist/ID gang, bringing cristianity into increasingly ill disrepute by their sleazy behaviour. Anyway I’ve really got to get back to some serious work.
Don’t let on about any more of our major conspiracies will you :) Especially the plan to take over mars from the martians. Mum’s the word ;)
Good luck.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:26 am
“Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?”
Yes Captain. If you want to torure yourself by reading his posts on the BBC forum, here is the link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
I wouldn’t wish him on anybody though, he gets off on whining and trying to be an obvious actor. Continually repeats himself and tries to drag everyone round and round in circles. Then tells you how nice he is being. I think troll is the correct discription. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is getting paid to do it either. Impression of the big ID/evolution debate, you know! Bunch of con artists, nothing less!
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@Beastly Rich Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:02 am
“Is there really any point debating anything with him?”
No Beastly. What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.
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Hi guys. I see pb has got himself a little attention on here. He doesn’t deserve it!
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Ahhh, #5, #2’s plan worked, I seduced dr Kliener and stole the blueprints of ‘The Machine!’. #1 will be pleased!
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Oh no! I said that on a public forum!
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“What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.”
Maybe pb hasn’t heard that McIntosh had a meeting with the powers that be and they told him that creationism/ID was pseudo science (not science, I think the correct words were) and couldn’t be taught as such in schools. I have the link somewhere if anyone missed that news. (7 Dec.)
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DutchPastaGuy -”…The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club…”
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I read an article a few months back in “MicroMart” (a UK weekly computer magazine – pretty cynical but certainly not sensationalist) about MI5 using webcrawlers on blog sites to look for signs of terrorist activity, I think the latest liquid explosives and US / UK aircraft was stopped that way.
Apparently they search for keywords. Probably bomb, sarin, tabun, plutonium, gas centrifuge etc.
There were stories a few years ago about the joint GCHQ/NSA establishment in Cheltenham doing the same with ‘phone calls.
I don’t know how true that is but I feel it is my duty, as a complete tit, to use the terms at every possible opportunity :)
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@Beastly Rich
Consider youself demoted!!! I know it’s not my call, but I’m sure the others will agree that you should clean out the pods for the rest of the week in penance for your loose lips!
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@Pastafarian #5
“hahaha It means I didn’t check my spelling! (us usual) I meant “blame†:)”
Oh I see, the blame for the grand Pastafarian conspiracy to vote Dawkins. Well, I did post the message here encouraging Pastafarians to go over to the BBC blog site and vote. And it was somewhat effective. I will happily take any blame, in fact I’m a little proud of it! Call me smug if you will.
I think Dawkins is very good. The Selfish Gene is his only book I ever read, but even though it’s 30 years old already, it was a fascinating read. And not because of the occasional atheist message in it (not that much of it in there anyway), but because of the fascinating biology that is presented. The chapter on genetics in insects is a brilliant read. Even creationists woud be fascinated if they cared to do any reading beyond the AiG website. I also found the Monte Carlo modeling of succesful survival strategies very interesting.
And Beastly Rich, #1 will be pleased indeed. And #1 could use some good news after that scare where one of the double OO’s almost got him. How’s #1’s white-grey cat? Every time I visit him he’s stroking that animal lying on his lap.
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@Alchemist
“Probably bomb, sarin, tabun, plutonium, gas centrifuge etc.”
When should we expect them Alchemist?
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@Alchemist
Yes, I knew someone who included 7 lines of words like bomb, Jihad, kill US president, etc in the signature of his email. Followed by the line” Don’t be surprised at all these words guys, I just like to keep the secret sevice compute farms busy”. Sweet.
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@Wench Nikkiee
If you have an article about McIntosh being told to shut up by University administrators or something like that, I’m sure we would all love to read it. Please give us the url or quote the nice bits from it it was in paper print.
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Nikkiee ” When should we expect them Alchemist?”
I’m working on the sarin now. Red Fox is having some problems sourcing the tritium but our operative in the FSB has made contact with Ivanova and secured 2kg of U238, so no need for the centrifuge. If we decide to go with a single stage we should be ready to deploy within the month. I recommended we wait awhile until we can deploy a three stage device…..
Hang on there’s somebody at the door, won’t be a mi…………..
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@Beastly Rich Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:25 am
“I keep thinking that I should stop lurking and post something as he seems to feel threatened by how many pastaferians there are”
Hang on Beastly, are you a real person or an online identity? Tell the truth now.
How do we know you aren’t really an imaginary being?
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Bugger!
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@DutchPastaGuy Jan 13th, 2007 at 9:34 am
“I’m sure we would all love to read it. Please give us the url or quote the nice bits from it it was in paper print.”
I think it was a meeting with some govt ministers…maybe even Blair. I’m kinda brain dead at present, but I’ll try and remember where I saw it. Was there anything on the Dawkins site, do you know? I’m sure it was in a newspaper on the 7th…more likely January now I think of it. I’ll see what I can find. Yes I’m sure 7th Jan. I thought I got the link from one of the threads here.
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Of for a haircut now, back in a bit.
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“Don’t be surprised at all these words guys, I just like to keep the secret sevice compute farms busyâ€.
Hahaha – like it!
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Hang on Alchemist…we’ll do what we can. Any hints as to location?
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And there I was thinking they’d go after Peter first, guess it’s time to pay Guantanemo a visit, who’s in charge of getting the cannons?
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@DutchPastaGuy
Maybe I dreamt it. I am too tired now to even know.
Catch you all later
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It’s ok – they used Securicor. They left the door open!
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Ooops – that should have been U235. Don’t want the CIA thinking we’re amateurs :)
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After you escaping their clutches? They’d be insulting themselves to call us amateurs
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@Wench Nikkiee Jan 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am *Grumble* yes #4
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DutchPastaGuy
Jan 12th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
@RedDutchPastaKidd,
Nice to know you under you old name, nice to know you under your new name. Bit of a pity that it doesn’t mean a new Dutch convert though.
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Well I did convert two collegues at work, but they prefer to just read here, they don’t post (yet). One other collegue prefers the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
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Nikiee I really hope you find that article again, i’m curious too.
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Clapran – It’s a good job they were. The idea of years without beer would have had me singing like a Canary :) – sorry, saw your link and couldn’t resist.
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I just thought I should translate for those who don’t speak Irish, I think it’s an old word too, so not even all the Irish pastafarians would know what it meant
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Alchemist,
I like the way you’re sneaking your messages past MI5.
You’ve made separate mentions of U238 & U235 – hint hint.
Separate the U238 & U235.
I also notice someone talking about going round in circles – hint hint.
Separate the U238 & U235 in centrifuges.
This whole website is a cover for a terrorist cell.
I’ve been posting for months and never noticed before….
Where should I deliver this consignment of precission manufactured steel tubes your ordered for ‘his noodliness’.
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put it down over there, next to the ‘happy gas’
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Ahh Captain. That talk about Russian battleships on the what I want for christmas thread :)
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Our secret cabal, world domination, Nuclear Physicists, Chemists, Biochemists, Biologists, Geologists. MWahahah.
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If they’re not looking yet they will be soon. Plutonium, plutonium, plutonium. (only kidding Officer)
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It is worth pointing out to MI5 that the CoFSM is an entirely peaceful organisation and our interests in military hardware and nuclear weapons are soley for the purposes of defence.
Unlike Tony Blair who as much as admits he wants this stuff to start more wars!
He’s the Nutcase.
We only believe the world was created in around 1.6 seconds by a flying spaghetti monster.
TB believes we can make the world more peaceful and everyone get along better by invading more countries and killing more people.
You guys should be spying on him not us!
Actually I assume you are spying on him. At least I hope so.
I SO BET that his memoirs drop you guys in it for the weapons of mass destruction fiasco…
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Thanks P#5,
I’ve been over to that blog putting the boot in to PB and McIntosh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
It isn’t appropriate on the blog but has anyone pointed out that reading PBs blogs there appears to be evidence that some (limited) advantage can be had from having half a brain, eyes and feathers don’t seem much different.
I lost the plot when he/she felt it was actually material that a coach and horses doesn’t just dismantle itself and rebuild itself as a plane.
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Beastly,
The calibration on those detonators you asked me to make is really tricky.
Are you sure you need such precision?
It was clever of you to keep ‘the stuff’ in Cornwall where the higher level of background radiation will mask any attempts to detect its ‘emissions’….
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Oh My FSM!
I have just spent the day (when I wasn’t refereeing WW3 with the boys or spending £104 on new shoes ARGH!) reading the above posted blog – fucking hell! Pardon my language, but my brain is leaking out of my ears now!
What is wrong with that guy?
PB – if you are reading this – can you answer me one simple little question?
What DO you believe in?
You say you are an evolution sceptic – ignorant, but there you go, people are allowed to be ignorant, but then you say you don’t necessarily believe in Creationism – so how DO you think life came to be?
C’mon – you must have a pet theory?
I have one about the perception of time – probably total bollocks as I only have GCSE Physics, but it’s mine and I am proud of it – I’ll share if you will :)
And do try and pay attention when people are doing their best to explain things to you – sticking your fingers in your ears and going “Lalalalalala” isn’t helping.
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HAHAHA “…It was clever of you to keep ‘the stuff’ in Cornwall where the higher level of background radiation will mask any attempts to detect its ‘emissions’….”
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Radon, the pastafarians friend :). I once went on a trip around Sellafield. They had all this “Mighty Atom” stuff around. It was hilarious. We had a talk about Pierre and Marie Curie. When they asked if anyone had any questions, someone asked “what did Marie Curie die of?” I was in the dog house with my ex for the rest of the day.
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Stupidity is forgivable, it’s not the person’s fault they’re not as intellegent as you, ignorance on the other hand is purposful, and rude if someone tries to explain to you, that’s why I said he should talk to someone who has studied biology, if you’re face to face with someone, it really is just too much to ask a question and ignore the answer, on the internet he can just skim posts, not really reading them at all
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@ Clapran – I totally agree – ignorance in this case is very rude – I wasn’t expressing myself very well as my ears are still bleeding!
@Alchemist – why were you in the doghouse – sounds perfectly reasonable to me – when we had our radiation lesson at school they had some stuff in a leadlined box – they got it out and waved a gigacounter over it which ticked alarmingly – then they put it away and told us it was “safe” –
“So wave the gigacounter over the box then” I said
The teacher refused initially, but when a few of us insisted she did – and the think ticked quite a bit again!!!!
Needless to say I was not impressed with her explanation that it was perfectly safe!
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Alchemist,
If you have any ’souviners’ from Sellafield, we’re collecting the ‘gear’ at beastlies place.
Actually I’ve been to Sellafield and on a tour of the AWE at Aldermaston in my time.
My parents were appalled they marched to Aldermaston in the 60s – I got a guided tour.
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That should say “thing” not “thinK” – and I have only had one sip of beer!
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Safe(r) then, the Irish government has tried to get nuclear power in here a couple of times, there are always so many people protesting they give up.
The lead probably wasn’t thick enough, you really need concrete and lead to stop gamma rays. Poison to stop radiation…
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Ah Captain, good show. Do we catch the number 239 bus to Beastlys?
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Booty. I loved chemistry. The only things that put the shits up me were radiochem. and organophosphates. Having to run a counter over your body before you can leave the lab. is a real eyeopener. The owl hoots longest just before the dawn. The first time I had to wear a film badge I unwrapped it from its silver plastic cover. Doh!
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Booty. I was in the dog house, as usual, for embarrassing her in public. Red Fox 2030 2/2/07. It happened so often you’d have thought she’d have got used to it.
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No shit Alchemist!
I never would have guessed!
I bloody hated it – loathed it from the minute a girl in our class lit a bunsen burner and a 4 foot tutti frutti coloured flame leapt out and took off her eyebrows.
I was told I had to do it in order to become a nurse (bollocks as it turned out) so I did GCSE and got a B – not bad for someone hiding at the back every time a bunsen burner was lit!
We get quite a lot of Xrays at work *shrug* you kind of learn not to think about it too much! I suppose like they used to with the mercury thermometers!
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Oh! You get put in the doghouse for embarrassing someone?
I’d never be out of it!
When we first went to Florida (me and my hubby) I not only did a powered drop to the floor during a 360 degree theatre thing because a dinosaur was going to eat me, but I shouted “Jesus” really loudly in a firework display when one went off right in front of us – there was a young American couple next to us and realising they might be religious I apologised to the bloke (who was nearest to me) he had obviously managed to do really well holding his hysteria in up until this point but when I turned to him and said “Sorry!” he just lost it big time and laughed like a drain – his poor girlfriend didn’t hear any of it and was totally bemused! My other half just shakes his head and has another drink!
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I knew there was a reason I got a house made of Uraninite! I thought it was like as an alternative to central heating.
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Good plan Beastly Rich!
(at least I assume it is a good plan, not having the faintest idea what Uraninite is – is it similar to Kryptonite? ;) Oh dear – I am sorry – couple of cans of beer and I get all silly!)
Where do you live again Beastly?
Can’t be in the UK if you think there is an alternative to central heating!
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I always loved playing with the bunsen burners in Chemistry, there were two or three of us who kept trying to get the biggest flames, easily amused, I know. People also set the fire alarms off all the time doing flame tests in chemistry, and because my school was so old and made of wood, well, the building with the labs at any rate, we all had to get out while they made sure the school wasn’t burning down, usually took the best part of a whole class.
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Hahaha. I’m one of the “did I just think that or say it out loud” types.
School chemistry was an absolute laugh. Did you do the ‘turn on all the gas taps and switch the gas off at the mains’ trick. Or plug a burner into the water tap? We used to play “sink chemistry”. Pour whatever you could get your hands on into the sink and see what happens. Magnesium ribbon used to disappear faster than booze at an Oliver Reid party.
Of course, we grew up and more sensible.
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Of course, we grew up and more sensible.
Why do I find that hard to believe Alchemist??? ;)
Where the hell were your teachers?
I went to a private school, so I guess they were more concerned with us wasting their precious money!
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Alchemist! I e-mailed you a while back – did you get it?
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@ booty, Uraninite is uranium and thorium dioxide, the ore of uranium (otherwise known as pitchblende)
I was making an reference to it being radioactive and thus enough of it together makes the house warm through radioactive decay. Awww! now look! I just explained the joke!
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Anyway, they got so much of this stuff out of the mines in the nineteenth century in heaps that would be considered radioactive waste today, not so much in this part of cornwall, but st. austell was well known all kinds of rare radioactive minerals.
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Ah! Thank you!
I am not blonde, but I certainly seem to have the attributes on occasion!
My sister is in Lynton in North Devon – we keep meaning to go and visit her, if we do I will let you know and we can se if we can meet up and talk pirates!
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@Booty Jan 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
“Why do I find that hard to believe Alchemist??? ;)
Where the hell were your teachers?”
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In hospital!
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My mistake for using something quite obscure in a joke.
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LOL Nikkiee!
How is Sunday going to be? Good I hope!
I think I will have to go to bed in a bit :(
C’mon everybody – get posting a keep me awake!
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@ Alchemist
I always thought the iodine snake was great fun, again, easily amused. The gas mains were in a different room to the chemistry lab, big room, split in two, one half was physics, where nothing worked, the other half was chemistry, where volatile chemicals were stored on old wooden shelves right above the radiators, with a crack on the wall behind them, we weren’t really allowed near the chemicals very often…
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@Alchemist
Best thing we did in high school chemistry class was mixing Al file dust and grains of I. If you put water on that mix, it will produce thick purple smoke. So we thought up two good gags:
1) put a mixture of the two in the sink on a day when you know the teacher will demonstrate some little test. In the end he pours the water used in the test down the sink and……class laughed for minutes.
2) put a mixture of the two in the plant pots. We were not there unfortunately when they were watered and it was bhefore the time when you would have installed a stealthy wbcam somewhere. But you can imagine.
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@Booty Jan 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
“How is Sunday going to be? Good I hope!”
Well it’s still a bit early to say. Going to be pretty hot by the feel of it. Unless it is snowing of course :P
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OOh- hot! Lovely!
*rummages around looking for bikini*
I hope you are right or I am going to feel a bit daft! ;)
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Hahahaha
Whenever we hear a fire siren out at our uni, we make bets on its destination being the chem building and the possible causes for the call out. 9 times out of 10 that’s exactly where it ends up!
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@Booty Jan 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
OOh- hot! Lovely!
*rummages around looking for bikini*
I hope you are right or I am going to feel a bit daft! ;)
hahahahahahahahahaha
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And I don’t want any comments about me poking anyone’s eyes out thank you! ;)
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‘Alchemist Jan 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Booty. I was in the dog house,’
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I just sent you some gmail, to ease your pains. :)
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@ Peter
Hey, great minds think alike!
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Booty. I also attended one of those schools (not a girls one, mores the pity). Our teachers believed in trust. Stupid really :)
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Nikkiee, one of my chemistry teachers did end up in hospital after demonstrating the Thermite Reaction :)
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Clapran. Iodine is fun! Try reacting it with ammonia and drying the crystals? That stuff is a laugh :)
And yes, I have ended up in hospital once. It wasn’t my fault though. The valve on a cylinder of sulphur dioxide has rusted. When I turned it on it broke and I couldn’t shut it off! Spent the night in a chest ward ‘cos my pO2 levels were low (96%).
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Alchemist
I always had a problem (when I couldn’t be assed wearing gloves) with Crystal Violet when doing gram stains. (BTW I’m quite well known for my excellent gram stains….true)
Without fail I’d pick up the bottle after someone had sloppily spilt it all down the sides and have to walk around with purple hands (often wiped onto my labcoat as well) for most of the day. When your in a microbio building everyone knows what it is as well.
It was kind of embarrassing.
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pb Jan 12th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Peter
I dont have an eye patch so if I just hold my hand over my eye when I say this will that do?
Noticed you all getting quite embarrassed having been rumbled on the rigging poll business etc…
….very amateurish attempts at clawing back some dignity there Peter…
Any guys, not that it hasnt been fun, I have had a chuckle, but I got other things to do. ”
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Huh? I know I’m slow and all, but you don’t make very much sense to me?
Maybe you can elaborate?
By the way… P B? Is that short for ‘pissing blindly’?
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BTW that’s Gram with a capital G.
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Aww – Peter! All this time I thought it was Paddington Bear!
(Probably bald?, erm Persistently Bloodyminded? no, brain gone – too much beer!)
I expect I will get quoted now for being immature and slagging him off! Oh well, can’t say I care very much!
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The valve on a cylinder of sulphur dioxide has rusted.
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Bloody hell
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Whats so special about ammonia and iodine?
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I thught it might stand for “painfully blind” Peter
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Pretty Bad.
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That guy’s got brain rot, probably from religious indoctrination.
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