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South Africa: Creation Ministries International
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/CreationMinistriesInternational
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Evangelicalism is big business!
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“….Mackay’s partner, Ken Ham, who later went on to establish Answers in Genesis in the USA, appears to have, likewise, deeply fallen out with the Australians behind Creation Ministries. Indeed, in what again looks to be internal power struggles that threatened Ham’s position as head of Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries was split off from Answers in Genesis in early 2006.
What looks to have happened is that in the power struggle between Ken Ham and the Australians at what was then AiG Australia, Ham completely out manoeuvred them.
Creation Ministries International now basically consists of the main Australian founding arm of Answers in Genesis plus the former sister AiG operations in Canada, South Africa and New Zealand. However, CMI looks to be establishing new operations in the USA and the UK. We understand that this is partly the result of a “trade war†with Answers in Genesis in the USA over subscriptions to the organisations’ creationist journal…..”
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http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/CreationMinistriesInternational
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what am I on about?
On nothing much…just…
1) Evolutionists admitting multiplying false identities online to give the impression there are more of them than there are and to try and undermine an opponent (me).
2) Evolutionists admitting rigging an online poll to win the person of the year BBC award for one of their own, ie Dawkins.
3) An evolutionist with a phd in physics admitting using figures he was unsure of and has not checked to undermine the viewpoint of someone else (me).
As I said…
nothing much at all
;-)
PB
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Dear pb; “1) Evolutionists admitting multiplying false identities online to give the impression there are more of them than there are and to try and undermine an opponent (me).” If you are suggesting that shear numbers of people somehow strengthen an argument against you, I’d say that’s christian thinking. That’s the christian’s argument. “there are more of us, so we must be right”. Lemmie tell you pb, one intelligent person armed with facts can shoot down a multitude of dunces. Sounds like you got a touch of the paranoia……or a case of the dunces.
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Peter
I dont know why there was a problem giving the name Jehol Biota long ago….
It seems there is far from a consensus on the transitional nature of the fossils (look closely…no hostility coming from this side of the discussion guys….)
PB
Scientists Say No Evidence Exists That Therapod Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds
Science Daily —
CHAPEL HILL — No good evidence exists that fossilizedstructures found in China and which some paleontologists claim are theearliest known rudimentary feathers were really feathers at all, arenowned ornithologist says. Instead, the fossilized patterns appear tobe bits of decomposed skin and supporting tissues that just happen toresemble feathers to a modest degree.
Led by Dr. Alan Feduccia ofthe University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a team of scientistssays that as a result of their new research and other studies,continuing, exaggerated controversies over “feathered dinosaurs” makeno sense….
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051010085411.htm
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PBs personal problems:
“My personal problems are;-
I am talking about;
1) No obviously transitional species exisiting eg birds or bats with half wings or limbs or eyes. ie all animals are perfect and complete by creationism standards.
2) Transitional limbs being a definite liablity in natural selection.
3) No evidence aparent to me, admittedly a layman, that puts evolution ahead of creationism; ie both are required to be replicated in a lab. The examples of antibodies is cited by other authorities as “differention” and does not produce new species in the normal sense.
4) No matter what anyone says, static fossils do not actually prove evolution. That takes assumptions.”
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“ie both are required to be replicated in a lab.”
PB has been told on too many ocassions to count as those reading the forum could see:
“YOU DO NOT PROVE A SCIENTIFIC THEORY IN A LAB” you can only disprove it with conflicting evidence (of which the creationists have none). In the past 160yrs, nothing has been found which disproves the theory or in fact does not support it!
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PB, as has been said here a million times: the fact that the theory of evolution is incomplete does not prove creationism to be true.
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Marc, they said it a zillion times at the bbc site too. He won’t listen. But then creationists never do. Oh, pb : only creationists ever use the term evolutionists.
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damn, forgot to change my name here too! Oh, and pb I just wanted to change my name. I’m not posting under several mnames here or elsewhere.
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PB won’t listen to reason? Well, stupid is as stupid does. There are some folks who are in it just for the sake of fighting. Does PB know that when he comes into our church he needs to be dressed as a pirate? If he can post a link to a picture of himself dressed as a pirate, even just an eye patch, then that would give us a signal that we should engage him. Otherwise, he should be ignored.
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@pb
Give me some evidence that supports creationism. Not things to try and disprove evolution, things that directly support ID. If you can find enough of it to hold a candle to true science, then we will be very, very surprised.
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ps: Thanks for being polite, but please don’t expect all of us to return the favor. we are too used to replying to curse-filled hate mails.
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Boy, I was gone from the FSM forums for a day and look at the flurry of activity I missed! So, here is some catching up for me.
Welcome pb!!
As the person who got this ton of FSM-BBC blog crossover started, I welcome you to the website of your new faith. I see you are quoting aticles on Chinese fossils that maintain that birds were around 150 million years ago already. So much for your 6000-year-old creationism then. It is so heart-warming to see the positive influence Pastafarianism is already having on your life. Keep your heart open to the FSM and soon you will be one of us.
To the veterans on this site: have I not been doing my Pastafarian duties well lately? My drumming up of votes for Dawkins has eventually brought pb over here (because he thinks he has uncovered major evindence of a conspiracy in our forums). So we have a half-converted new soul among us. And while he is still finsihing his conversion, he can provide us with religious/hate mail. Our ship was running low on that lately. Thank goodness you’ve come pb.
And on a personal note I see another name suggesting a newly added Dutch presence. Ramen, whoever you are kidd, Ramen. May you, along with pb and all others, be touched by his noodly appendages!
Then a small admission. Pb has made me doubt evolution a tiny little bit. He has been dodging my questions on the BBC blog fow weeks now. It is really quite cowardly. This would seem to contradict common ancestry, or at least common recent ancestry. While most of us share a branch of evolution with apes, from his cowardice he seems to have more in common with weasles.
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@DutchPastaGuy
Well I used to be DutchPastaGirl but then I did this piratequiz (there is a link somewhere on this site). It turns out my “real” pirate name is Red Ethel Kidd. I decided to skip Ethel, it’s not really me, but keep the Kidd in memory of that famous pirate!
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@RedDutchPastaKidd,
Nice to know you under you old name, nice to know you under your new name. Bit of a pity that it doesn’t mean a new Dutch convert though.
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Peter
I dont have an eye patch so if I just hold my hand over my eye when I say this will that do?
Noticed you all getting quite embarrassed having been rumbled on the rigging poll business etc…
….very amateurish attempts at clawing back some dignity there Peter…
Any guys, not that it hasnt been fun, I have had a chuckle, but I got other things to do.
Re-oared Mark,
you havent been listening to what I’ve been saying; I am not trying to prove creationism to anyone, I am just testing evolution for myself. I havent enough science to prove anything to anyone.
Anyway guys, a fun sight and it has been a good laugh, do come over and visit us on the BBC sometime.
Amen
PB
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“Evolutionists”? People who agree with the theory of evolution(read: anyone with half a brain in their heads) aren’t called that, first of all, because evolution isn’t a religion! And your bowing out so early makes it seem like you simply don’t want to stay and debate. Can’t defend yourself or what?
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That is a complete cop out.
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@pb
“Noticed you all getting quite embarrassed having been rumbled on the rigging poll business etc…”
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Exactly how is spreading the word of a poll, vote rigging I wonder?
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“you havent been listening to what I’ve been saying; I am not trying to prove creationism to anyone, I am just testing evolution for myself. I havent enough science to prove anything to anyone.”
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I am not listening because I have not seen a link to a photo of you dressed as a pirate yet. You haven’t enough science to prove anything to anyone, including yourself. What books on evolution have you read? What courses have you taken? Are you testing evolution by going to pro-evolution websites and picking fights? Quite a curious scientific method. But, by your own admission you don’t have enough science to prove anything to anyone. I stand by my initial statement: stupid is as stupid does.
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@Iron gill Kidd Jan 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
“Evolutionists� People who agree with the theory of evolution(read: anyone with half a brain in their heads) aren’t called that,
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You are absolutely right Iron gill Kidd. This was a term invented by creationists to try and portray established ecolutionary principles as some type of religous dogma.
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Well, you learn something every day. I didn’t know evolutionist was a term used to insinuate dogma. I used it frequentlly here and on the BBC blog. Woops.
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@ pb
I don’t mean this to sound condescending, it’s just the way I talk sometimes, if you’re having so much trouble with understanding evolution, I would suggest a face to face discussion with someone who has studied biology, preferably not a particularily religious person, no reason for said person not to have faith, but a heavy dose of religious indoctrination could force them to subconsciously undermine the theory of evolution as they explain it.
While I’m talking, theory means tested, the theory of evolution has been more heavily tested than the laws of thermodynamics to my knowledge. Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.
About the person of the year vote, do you honestly think that there are enough of us to change the outcome so much? Thanks for the complement to our Church, but there are plenty of atheists around not here who I’m sure voted for him too.
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“Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.”
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And even if it was disproved, that wouldn’t prove creationism, as creationism has a vast amount of evidence contradicting it.
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Seeing as creationism is the fundie translation of ‘I don’t know’ it can’t have much to back it up, the other way of translationg ‘I don’t know’ into fundie, is ‘God did it’, sometimes with ‘you poor misguided soul, you really don’t understand do you?’ stuck on the end.
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@Noodlicous Jan 12th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Taken from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
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Hmmm… you know, when you get right down to it, there is nothing wrong with classifying a person by the opinions they hold. You can class them by religion (christian, muslim, scientologist, etc), by politics (liberal, tory, republican, etc), personal outlook (optimist, pessimist) and in other fields at least, the philosophy they feel best applies (eg. Marxist, Malthusian etc).
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So why shouldn’t you get the same divisions in scientific views?
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I’m damn proud to be an evolutionist, because it means I am someone who follows the scientific method, and holds in logical conjecture based on overwhelming evidence.
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So, say it loud and say it proud! I’M AN EVOLUTIONIST!
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Jingles
The evolutionist with bells on!
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@DutchPastaGuy
Not having a go at you or anything, but please don’t mention pbs name to me personally again. He is a troll and I’ve had reading his BS up to my limit. I’m am sure you know what I mean. I’ve just been over to the BBC blog and he is still going on about “the big Pastafarian conspiracy” lol
Seems you are getting the balme for all of it too. :(
That’ll teach you to call him out with your feathers :)
Anyway I’m kind of busy with some rather serious stuff at present, so I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Might get Wench Nikkiee to pay him a visit sometime in the near future, if she is not too busy.
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@Pastafarian #5,
With you on the troll verdict. Although I take it as a compliment to us Pastafarians that we are seen as a force serious enough to form dangerous conspiracies and plots to take over the world. The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club will be a monumental day for us, I feel. What better endosement as being taken serious can you get?
I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme” mean? If it means giving up, then you’re wrong. I’m just shifting to a different approach. Pb has been adressed often enough, I don’t think he has any credit left even among hard-line creationists. So now I’m going to see if they will stand up for him openly or distance themselves from him. I can imagine two scenarios that would both suit me fine.
1) they will denounce him as an utter arse themselves. Suits me fine.
2) none of them will speak out on his behalf. That is the scenario sofar. Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.
If they do speak out on his behalf I’ll just have to see what they say before deciding how to carry on.
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I’ve been reading that BBC McIntire forum. He really is a pompous knob isn’t he. Is there really any point debating anything with him?
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I keep thinking that I should stop lurking and post something as he seems to feel threatened by how many pastaferians there are
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Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?
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“I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme†mean?”
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hahaha It means I didn’t check my spelling! (us usual) I meant “blame” :)
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“Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.”
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Don’t overdo it too much or you’ll sound like he does. He continually uses what’s called an “argument from popularity” hence the constant “200 scientists”. The majority of people generally find it an annoying declaration no matter what the social/business situation.
You seem to do a good job of showing his ignorance and the deception in his declared intentions pretty well. But you are right, he must be embarrassing the hell out of the other creationists. I can only imagine how much the non-extremist Christians are cringing if they are reading his posts and I’d say there might be quite a few of those following along. They certainly won’t be happy with this fanatical money hungry cult, the creationist/ID gang, bringing cristianity into increasingly ill disrepute by their sleazy behaviour. Anyway I’ve really got to get back to some serious work.
Don’t let on about any more of our major conspiracies will you :) Especially the plan to take over mars from the martians. Mum’s the word ;)
Good luck.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:26 am
“Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?”
Yes Captain. If you want to torure yourself by reading his posts on the BBC forum, here is the link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
I wouldn’t wish him on anybody though, he gets off on whining and trying to be an obvious actor. Continually repeats himself and tries to drag everyone round and round in circles. Then tells you how nice he is being. I think troll is the correct discription. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is getting paid to do it either. Impression of the big ID/evolution debate, you know! Bunch of con artists, nothing less!
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@Beastly Rich Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:02 am
“Is there really any point debating anything with him?”
No Beastly. What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.
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Hi guys. I see pb has got himself a little attention on here. He doesn’t deserve it!
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Ahhh, #5, #2’s plan worked, I seduced dr Kliener and stole the blueprints of ‘The Machine!’. #1 will be pleased!
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Oh no! I said that on a public forum!
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“What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.”
Maybe pb hasn’t heard that McIntosh had a meeting with the powers that be and they told him that creationism/ID was pseudo science (not science, I think the correct words were) and couldn’t be taught as such in schools. I have the link somewhere if anyone missed that news. (7 Dec.)
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DutchPastaGuy -”…The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club…”
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I read an article a few months back in “MicroMart” (a UK weekly computer magazine – pretty cynical but certainly not sensationalist) about MI5 using webcrawlers on blog sites to look for signs of terrorist activity, I think the latest liquid explosives and US / UK aircraft was stopped that way.
Apparently they search for keywords. Probably bomb, sarin, tabun, plutonium, gas centrifuge etc.
There were stories a few years ago about the joint GCHQ/NSA establishment in Cheltenham doing the same with ‘phone calls.
I don’t know how true that is but I feel it is my duty, as a complete tit, to use the terms at every possible opportunity :)
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@Beastly Rich
Consider youself demoted!!! I know it’s not my call, but I’m sure the others will agree that you should clean out the pods for the rest of the week in penance for your loose lips!
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@Pastafarian #5
“hahaha It means I didn’t check my spelling! (us usual) I meant “blame†:)”
Oh I see, the blame for the grand Pastafarian conspiracy to vote Dawkins. Well, I did post the message here encouraging Pastafarians to go over to the BBC blog site and vote. And it was somewhat effective. I will happily take any blame, in fact I’m a little proud of it! Call me smug if you will.
I think Dawkins is very good. The Selfish Gene is his only book I ever read, but even though it’s 30 years old already, it was a fascinating read. And not because of the occasional atheist message in it (not that much of it in there anyway), but because of the fascinating biology that is presented. The chapter on genetics in insects is a brilliant read. Even creationists woud be fascinated if they cared to do any reading beyond the AiG website. I also found the Monte Carlo modeling of succesful survival strategies very interesting.
And Beastly Rich, #1 will be pleased indeed. And #1 could use some good news after that scare where one of the double OO’s almost got him. How’s #1’s white-grey cat? Every time I visit him he’s stroking that animal lying on his lap.
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@Alchemist
“Probably bomb, sarin, tabun, plutonium, gas centrifuge etc.”
When should we expect them Alchemist?
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@Alchemist
Yes, I knew someone who included 7 lines of words like bomb, Jihad, kill US president, etc in the signature of his email. Followed by the line” Don’t be surprised at all these words guys, I just like to keep the secret sevice compute farms busy”. Sweet.
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@Wench Nikkiee
If you have an article about McIntosh being told to shut up by University administrators or something like that, I’m sure we would all love to read it. Please give us the url or quote the nice bits from it it was in paper print.
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Nikkiee ” When should we expect them Alchemist?”
I’m working on the sarin now. Red Fox is having some problems sourcing the tritium but our operative in the FSB has made contact with Ivanova and secured 2kg of U238, so no need for the centrifuge. If we decide to go with a single stage we should be ready to deploy within the month. I recommended we wait awhile until we can deploy a three stage device…..
Hang on there’s somebody at the door, won’t be a mi…………..
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@Beastly Rich Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:25 am
“I keep thinking that I should stop lurking and post something as he seems to feel threatened by how many pastaferians there are”
Hang on Beastly, are you a real person or an online identity? Tell the truth now.
How do we know you aren’t really an imaginary being?
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Bugger!
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@DutchPastaGuy Jan 13th, 2007 at 9:34 am
“I’m sure we would all love to read it. Please give us the url or quote the nice bits from it it was in paper print.”
I think it was a meeting with some govt ministers…maybe even Blair. I’m kinda brain dead at present, but I’ll try and remember where I saw it. Was there anything on the Dawkins site, do you know? I’m sure it was in a newspaper on the 7th…more likely January now I think of it. I’ll see what I can find. Yes I’m sure 7th Jan. I thought I got the link from one of the threads here.
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Of for a haircut now, back in a bit.
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“Don’t be surprised at all these words guys, I just like to keep the secret sevice compute farms busyâ€.
Hahaha – like it!
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