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A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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Hey, I agree with AIG on something:
D5:
The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious,’ is rejected.
Darn tootin!
RAMen.
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Didn’t know what thread to post this on so took pot luck.
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**From the BBC “Anjem Choudary, a former spokesman for the now banned Al-Muhajiroun organisation, said Muslims were treated as “second class citizens” and could not get a “fair trial”.
He said: “Muslims are demonised and vilified.
“This is a failure of capitalism, of democracy and the freedom of speech.” **
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This comment is a result of a guilty verdict having been passed upon Umran Javed for soliciting murder. He was one of the protesters over the publication of the mohammad cartoons in the Danish press.
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again, from the BBC
.”Aved told a crowd of hundreds at the February 2006 protest: “Bomb, bomb Denmark, bomb, bomb USA.”
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This was the protest where people were carrying placards with slogans such as “Behead those who insult Islam”, death to those who insult Islam and various references to 9/11 and Europe had better watch out, you’re next etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6235279.stm
Strangely, in December, a Yemeni editor was fined for printing the cartoons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6213032.stm
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That prick has the gall to talk about freedom of speech!
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This comes on the same day that the UK popularity party (Labour) appears to be putting pressure on the human fertilisation and embryology authority to reject a proposal that would aid stem cell research. Why? Public opposition! The BBC website shows 60% of responders *in favour* of the research! Only 500ish responses to the white paper – predominantly from *faith groups*.
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Stop the world, I want to get off.
Rant over
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 5th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
“Nikky, so I guess you it put the whole phrase in to Google.”
Actually can’t remember how I got it. Been absorbing a lot of info over the past week.
What you posted was very handy. :) :)
I even noticed that little snippet got posted on the BBC McIntosh forum.
RAmen for finding it.
I am interested in the creationists in positions of power who have had criminal charges brought against them. (often for fraud if I remember) I know Ken Hovind has, but can’t remember others I have come across. There was a post on the BBC blog reguarding creationists caught out lying.
I’ve seen other names from time to time, but can’t recall them.
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@Commendatore Cappellini & Peter- exccellent songs! Finally a bit of variety for the pirate get togethers. Bottle O Rum was starting to get a little repetitive.
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We have a pirate-song in the Netherlands about Piet Heijn who stole a whole fleet full of silver from the Spanish. We were at war with them at the time, so it was legal piracy. He even got a medal for it. Folks still sing it at sportsmatches and so on.
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Going back to that dreadful Answers in Genesis thing.
There is a beautiful contradiction – it starts off by saying about the triune nature of god – 3 for the price of 1 stuff, then about halfway down…
Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone
How does that work then?
And that bit about nothing is true if it contradicts the bible – grrrrrr – it contradicts itself FFS!
I just am so amazed that “intelligent” people can spout this crap!
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I’ve just finished reading the AIG article on Oil-generation. I’ve been in the oil exploration business for over 18 years and I’ve never heard such utter garbage. If they are correct in thinking that oil could be generated in such a short time, the oil co’s wouldn’t spend millions of $’s drilling a well – they could dump a load of organic material at sea, bury it with a few tons of clay and then produce oil from it a month or so later.
I don’t know how you guys can keep going back to sites like AIG. Half an hour of reading it and I felt like clawing my own eyes out!
FSM Bless you all!
RAmen
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@Booty Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:41 am
There’s an excellent section in the Dawkins book ‘The God Delusion’ about the total wacko written about the trinity.
To be honest all the vaguely intelligent Catholics I’ve ever met tend to shuffle their feet and look at their shoes when you ask them about the nature of the trinity.
Remember even the Catholics think the fundies like AIG are nut cases!
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@OFT
Maybe you also spotted the bit about the second law of thermodynamics. Unfortunately, it’s not just people from AiG who come up with stuff like that. Here in the UK we have prof. Andy McIntosh, YEC who says that evolution violates TSLOT:
p://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/andy_mcintosh_update.html
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http://www.wasdarwinright.com/flood.htm
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wow look!
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How did the flood drown fish?
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Try clicking on the evidence for Noah’s flood link.
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the page isn’t the only thing, haha!
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Beastly, I like the way their creationist web site is run by a Zeus server!
Are they a group of covert pagans worshipping the classical Greek Gods?
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@OFT
“I don’t know how you guys can keep going back to sites like AIG. Half an hour of reading it and I felt like clawing my own eyes out!”
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Know exactly how you feel OFT. However, they provide some excellent ammunition for their opposition to use. AIG, the more ridiculous, the better for others to point out what a screwball cult these people really are.
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Wench Nikky Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Know exactly how you feel OFT. However, they provide some excellent ammunition for their opposition to use. AIG, the more ridiculous, the better for others to point out what a screwball cult these people really are.
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Thats what I like about you Nikkiee. Anything for a fight! Just kidding, I do the same thing.
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me too.
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@Beastly Rich Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am
I must have rained so hard it bashed the fishes brains in…
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Sorry, I’m not the one getting delusions of grandeur round here…
I meant:
@Beastly Rich Jan 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am
It must have rained so hard it bashed the fishes brains in…
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AR! I know those kids!
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which kids?
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Arrrrrrrrrrrr.
I went through the conversion to CoFSm in response to the Dec 28 news release by PEER regarding the Grand Canyon flap
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801
and I’m wondering if anyone knows where on FSM this is being discussed.
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and on another note::::
this weekend me and my wench will be traveling to the Green Mts as
highwaymen to continue our FSM ministry in the mountains of Vermont,
actually near Manchester.
Be there any pirating that needs to be done nearthere?
FSMF::FFSM
RAmen
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“which kids?”
those two pagans.
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0l-l S33tl\l3ss!
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hhmmmmmm
verrrry interesting.
PB
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Hello there pb – I knew a bear called that once….
Glad to know you are interested – if a little odd with your spelling!
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Hi pb, nice of you to drop in. How are your feathers going? Are they done yet?
Have all them big science meanies been picking on pb? Poor pb.
Excellent to see the Pastafarian word spreading to readers of the BBC blog. :)
RAmen
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It’s the infamous pb right here in our very own church. Well I’ll be!
RAmen
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Always good when you go fishing and catch something. :)
We thought you would have been over before now to read those posts pb. You loving the “evilutionary conspiracy” theory and all. What took you so long?
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Well noodles,
Remember that post I made in the past few days where I said that if I walked into your temple and was treated to the abuse you were giving me, I wouldnt be inclined to take to your faith… well what do you know…?
It looks like maybe the FSM isnt much of a God if that is how nice his followers are…
And well, are those big science meanies picking on me? well, in case you hadnt noticed my shoulders havent had any problems so far… and I dont see any coming.
And again, funny how the only people who have ever been talking about conspiracies are the ones who turned out to be orchestrating one to win Dawkins a BBC online award. hmmm.
All in all a very interesting experience :-D
And as for the feathers, well, as I said I have an ancient machine on dial up and cant download pdfs.
But if anyone can actually NAME a fossil I could cross ref it, well, then you might see some sparks!
Anyway, someone at the top of this blog said they thought I didnt like some of the people on the BBC blog, but you’re way off the mark.
I dont take any of this personally, to me it is ALL about testing ideas. I dont know, I read some of your stuff and doubtless many people have met many pretty nasty people who came in the name of God, so I cant say I would blame all of you for having a chip on the shoulder against people who called themselves Christians (Jesus will decide if they were or not).
For what its worth, I’m not a supporter of GW Bush, I dont believe the church’s first priority is to control the state. I wear jeans to church, I like a cigar, I like a beer and I like pasta (maybe there’s hope for me yet ;-) ).
Also, I have no connection whatsoever to any creationist group, nor do I subscribe to any modern “statements of faith”. And I am not a young earther as I have never examined the subject in detail.
But on the other hand I’m not going to tell you I dumping Jesus or the bible just to please you. The only thing I might ask is that if you look CLOSELY at my posts on BBC hopefully you will see I have almost never ever been nasty to any of you and am just a layman trying to test whether evolution works in my head or not.
I have no reason to attack or dislike any of you guys (apart from what I read above) but hey, you have all got a good sense of humour and I forgive you already…you rascals (that goes for you too Klaver!)
(Tomorrow is a new day though ;-) )
Amen
PB
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You may find that the above posts were a bit of mucking around at your expense pb
More a testing of your apparent conspiracy paranoia. Worked a treat. :)
The CoFSM has thousands of members and many post on other forums as well. Many Pastafarians are not Dawkins followers and most are not scientists. I personally didn’t notice anyone trying to convert you to their view on the BBC forum,, just by reading over it. It appears more like they were simply presenting the information you requested and answering the arguments you make.
RAmen
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@pb
“Also, I have no connection whatsoever to any creationist group, nor do I subscribe to any modern “statements of faithâ€.”
Easy to make that assumption on your unwavering (and uninformed) support of McIntosh and his unwavering determination to introduce the religous design theory into the science classroom!
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@pb
“The only thing I might ask is that if you look CLOSELY at my posts on BBC hopefully you will see I have almost never ever been nasty to any of you and am just a layman trying to test whether evolution works in my head or not.”
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Now that statement calls for a little repost on here of some of the evidence against its
validity.
Coming up.
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Oh… this should be good…
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**Grabs grog and spag, goes and finds a comfy barrel, settles down to watch the fireworks**
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I’ve seen pbs fireworks Jingles. I think you may be in for a lttle disapointment.
He does love to go on about the evilutionary Dawkinists atheists club a bit though.
He goes on about having no statement of faith, but worships the words the AiG “scientists” which have undertaken this oath. :)
I’m sure he’ll be back. He doesn’t appear to be ever able to see how bad he always makes himself look.
:) :)
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“And as for the feathers, well, as I said I have an ancient machine on dial up and cant download pdfs. But if anyone can actually NAME a fossil I could cross ref it, well, then you might see some sparks!”
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One of pbs repeated escape clause claims. He has been provided with mutiple references on 4 of the BBC forums, which DO NOT require downloading a pdf!
Everyone on the BBC forum has been relatively polite and patient with pb, considering that on my forums his pretenses would have had him labelled as a troll very early on.
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“I dont believe the church’s first priority is to control the state.”
pb obviously hasn’t read the AiG mission statement or similar staements on other creationist group websites, even though links were provided on the BBC blogs.
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Wench Nikiee, I read the forum, how much more evidence can one possibly want? And I agree, they remained pretty polite to the guy.
PB, i’m sorry, but I don’t believe YOU. You’re a creationist who will keep his eyes closed to anything contrary to your believes.
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Oh and pb, you do know that McIntosh is one of the main figures/salemen of Truth in Science?
You know, that’s the UK creation organisation that the American AiG head, Ken Ham, (along with another American AiG staffer) is a trustee of.
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.”
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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Source: Creation is No Side Issue (January 2004)
Author: Andy McIntosh
Creationist organisations to which he belongs or is associated with:
Truth in Science (board member); Answers in Genesis; Biblical Creation Society; Genesis Agendum
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/Theocracy
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Oh and pb, you do know that McIntosh is one of the main figures/salemen of Truth in Science?
You know, that’s the UK creation organisation that the American AiG head, Ken Ham, (along with another American AiG staffer) is a trustee of.
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.â€
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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Source: Creation is No Side Issue (January 2004)
Author: Andy McIntosh
Creationist organisations to which he belongs or is associated with:
Truth in Science (board member); Answers in Genesis; Biblical Creation Society; Genesis Agendum
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/Theocracy
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@Red DutchPasta Kidd
“And I agree, they remained pretty polite to the guy.”
PB certainly didn’t deserve it.
Would have interesting to see him carry on like that here.
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PB and others must take all the forum readers for idiots. Typical creationist attitude.
They pick the attitude up off the conmen they worship, the ones raking in the money!
I think that is just one of their big mistakes. They don’t realise that lack of education doesn’t make someone a gullible idiot willing to swallow their rubbish. On the contrary, many of the unindoctrinated/uneducated may be a little more street wise and see through the style of con rhetoric they use.
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Oh and Jingles, remember those cheap fireworks that, as a kid you lit in great anticipation?
Then they just fizzled!
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Not the ones I had… I performed a little surgery on them you see…
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What you do is you find the fireworks you want to go BOOM…
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Then you cut them deep. (I prefer the more delicate, scalpel approach, but a hacksaw suffices).
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Gather together all the crap that then comes spilling out, and slowly increase the heat on it (to drive off the water, of course).
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Then hedge it in with sturdy arguments – sorry, I mean cardboard, tape it up, and apply the spark.
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They blow up every time :D
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I did wonder if this was the famous pb – but I didn’t want to slag anyone off if they weren’t.
So, pb where are you?
I quite fancy quoting some evidence at you – and no pdf’s in sight.
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@Jingles
Yes, I do believe I know the technique. Sometimes I’ve had a little problem with the gradual increasing of heat, due to time constraints, but believe I have learned to improvise just a little.
RAmen
@Booty
I’m not really sure whether pb would feel that his smug assuredness would stand up here. On the BBC forum, he appears to mostly aim his posts at the wider readership rather than deal with those posting in the argument. I have one or two quotes of some of my favourite “pb acting posts” I might put up later when I get a chance.
It’s one of quite a few “I’m only inocently trying to learn, why is everybody being so evasive/not helping me/being mean” ones.
hahahahaha
The posts here also load instantly unlike the BBC forum.
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Edit @Wench Nikkiee Jan 12th, 2007 at 1:08 am
“considering that on mANy forums his pretenses would have had him labelled as a troll very early on.”
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Thanks Nikkiee!
Not sure where to post this – any advice?
But I just found this on my Live Journal ….
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Are wood splinters or cannon shot more deadly?
Can an eyepatch assist with night vision?
Is rum useful for cleaning?
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Find out the answers to these questions next Wednesday at 9:00 PM on The Mythbusters Pirate Special on the Discovery Channel!
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Hahaha
I think rum would be useful for cleaning. Good antiseptic (sp) I believe.
Probably handy as a “pour on” after removal of cannon shot and wood splinters too.
As long as too much isn’t wasted…err.. I mean used.
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@Booty Jan 12th, 2007 at 2:46 am
“Not sure where to post this – any advice? But I just found this on my Live Journal ….”
How about reposting it on our recipe thread as well. That is a good thread for all things everything.
http://www.venganza.org/2007/01/04/flying-spaghetti-monster-tourtiere.htm
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Will do – thanks.
I have e-mailed Bobby as well, but I am not sure he will get round to reading it.
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@Wench Nikkiee
“The original Australian parent of the US organisation is now called Creation Ministries International and is based in Brisbane in Queensland. However, the US arm broke off in early 2006 taking with it the UK operation and leaving the Australian organisation with operations in Canada, New Zealand and South Africa.â€
South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.
Like the idea of the US arm breaking off though… What happened to the legs?
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@OFT
“South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.”
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No doubt they’ll have a website to supply indoctrination propaganda. The BCSE is a wealth of info for those sort of details.
Both AiG and Creation Ministries are sneaky crowds OFT. The legs could be anywhere.
A Short History of Christian Fundamentalism
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/WhatIsCreationism?.
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The ones over in Africa, (don’t know about South, but they mostly seem to be connected), I find especially interesting. (for want of a more vile word)
They are fighting to get all of Bush’s AIDS funding off other organisations which support condom use and provide them.
Abstinence only you understand! They, along with some government officials, appear to be getting nice and fat off the funding too. I’ll stop there. It’s bedtime here and if I go any further, it’ll take me ages to get to sleep.
This is a good article of their “wonderful” AIDS missionary work in Africa.
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God and the Fight Against AIDS
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963
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RAmen
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Wench Nikkiee Jan 12th, 2007 at 5:34 am
@OFT
“South Africa? Must find out more. Sail right up to those landlubbers and give ‘em a full broadside.â€
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No doubt they’ll have a website to supply indoctrination propaganda. The BCSE is a wealth of info for those sort of details.
Both AiG and Creation Ministries are sneaky crowds OFT. The legs could be anywhere.
A Short History of Christian Fundamentalism
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/WhatIsCreationism?.
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The ones over in Africa, (don’t know about South, but they mostly seem to be connected), I find especially interesting. (for want of a more vile word)
They are fighting to get all of Bush’s AIDS funding off other organisations which support condom use and provide them.
Abstinence only you understand! They, along with some government officials, appear to be getting nice and fat off the funding too. I’ll stop there. It’s bedtime here and if I go any further, it’ll take me ages to get to sleep.
This is a good article of their “wonderful†AIDS missionary work in Africa.
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God and the Fight Against AIDS
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963
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RAmen
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