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A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.
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@theAntibush
What’s happening here in the U.S. is frightening to me and I’d like to find out from like-minded individuals what we can and will do about it.
You may already be familiar with the Freedom from Religion Foundation, if not here is the link.
http://ffrf.org/index2.php
Also the Richard Dawkins site has quite a few links to organised atheist organisations globally.
RAmen
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Alchemist Jan 1st, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Peter – serious comment to a serious post.
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I hear ya. I’ll never understand why people have to push their beliefs on others. But they must.
I’m like you, I’m not a veggie, but if I were. I sure as heck wouldn’t tell anybody else what to eat?
I will never understand that.
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I’m not real fond of the Muslim belief system either. I honestly don’t know that much about it, but what I do know doesn’t impress me. I do know the christian system, and I’ll wager by now, you’ve picked up on how I feel about them. heh heh
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I really do think that right now, the Americans would accept an atheist, in a public office.
For the same reason we’ve accepted the Muslim in Il. People are sick of the christian right, and the hypocrisy that comes with it.
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@DutchPastaGuy
I appear to have repeated your suggestion. Your post hadn’t come up when I posted.
Let me say ‘great minds think alike’
RAmen
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The problem with expecting people to respect others’ religious beliefs is that so many of the religious fundamentalists sincerely believe that their “god” DEMANDS strict obedience! How can you argue with someone who sees religion not as a choice but as a deep, fundamental truth? Tolerance is not something those types embrace, and I reluctantly conclude that this is what’s going to bring our currrent occupation of Earth to an end, sooner or later. I’m a global pessimist; local optimist–I do what I can in my little corner of Tucson, teaching the little kids that there’s a bigger world out there filled with opportunities to be humane. Martha
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on the serious side, I think that right now the situation in America is very bad, but i also think it goes in cycles. When my dad was a kid children would be laughed out of school for even bringing up religiuos discussions. It just wasn’t polite and didn’t happen. It will get better eventually.
Interestingly, you know the senator who just swore in? Some jacks were making a fuss over how he swore on the Koran. You’re not even supposed to swear on anything, most people just bring something important along with them, “happened” to be a bible mostly.If I ever get elected, I’m gonna make a stack of Lord of the Rings, Hitchhikers Guide, and Asimov books to swear on.^_^
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Peter, I suspect we share similar beliefs. And may god have mercy upon our souls, hahaha.
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I despise Islam, no joke. It is a hate ridden religion. Likewise Christianity. In the UK things are getting stupid. It was reported (make of that what you will:)) that a suspect in a murder case managed to flee the UK by donning a Niqab (full veil)? We now have a local authority setting aside swimming pool time for muslim women only. Why? Sure, I can understand women only swimming sessions, but muslim only? Surely that’s racist?
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I really hope that you go for office. I have thought the same – stand for Parliament. Just not too keen on the British press trawling up ancient indiscretions :)
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Yep! Alchemist, it’s ta hell with us… for sure!
I’ll never be in politics either. For the same reason you stated.
By the time they pulled all the skeletons out of my closets.
I probably wouldn’t even vote for myself.
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HAHAHA.
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“Is there anything in your past that you wouldn’t want people to know about?”
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Erm, sit down, have a cookie and enjoy the next hour.
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It’s a real shame that those of us who have lived life to the full (and then some) never become politico’s. Aw well, back to my plan for world domination.
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@Cari’s mom (aka the mother-out-law): Thanks for that statement. RAmen
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@L’TUAE_42: Although it creates more problems, I prefer religion to be an open topic of discussion. In high school I got in trouble for heated disputes on religion, but I feel that school is an area to exchange ideas. College provided a forum for the debate, but I’m afraid the support for the forum was one sided. Here seems like the only place where people don’t judge my faith in God.
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@Alchemist: In Virginia there were some people claiming religious persecution when they had to remove their niqab for photo identification on the drivers license. I thought it was a joke when I first heard about it, but its true. Of course the conservatives in VA kept the laws about photo identification.
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ANTIBUSH:
If antibush means you don’t care for GW you’d have a good chance of getting my vote. If it means that the Holy Strippers should shave their bush off, you have an even better chance of getting my vote. If it means you have a problem with the half of our population that is known for having a bush, you probably won’t get my vote. I don’t know where the FSM stands on that kind of stuff.
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eddie spaghetti
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@ eddie spaghetti.
hahaha, good stuff!
Ramen
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eddie and Peter!!!
The things you lot get up to , when there are no Wenches around.
I just pop back in here to the church, for a little slice of salvation after fighting fundies left, right and centre to find you having carnal relations with xtian girls and shaving the strippers. For shame! ;)
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Eddie Spaghetti,
theAntibush is an alias that I was given on the FBI’s terrorist watch list for publicly pointing out the subtly hidden, yet obviously diabolical genius of GW. See, most people think he’s just a fucking retard. My theory is quite the opposite. I believe he’s none other than the sinister journevangelist, Glenn Beck, in disguise as an inarticulate moron so that he doesn’t have to be held criminally accountable for any of his actions. Therefore, the artfully circulated rumor that Chaney is the puppetmaster behind the poor slobbering jackass…is mere propaganda. So far, the true magnitude of GW’s intelligence has been a closley guarded national secret, requiring the highest level of security clearance to even discuss it. It’s no wonder they’ve been trying to silence me by cancelling the Chappelle Show. In fact, having told you this, I may have placed you all in grave danger. I’m sorry. You guys stay the course while I come up with an exit strategy.
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Whew! Thats a relief! You can count on my vote.
But how do explain nu cu lar? Only a real retard could say that as fluently as he does. Hell it’s the only thing he does say fluently.
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Hi Nikkiee!
HAHAHA, I wasn’t so much shaving the wenches, as much as I was agreeing with the shaver? Heh heh.
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I too! Have been fighting tooth and nail, with some fundis, on the “topix.net” forums, they don’t like me so much? And I haven’t a clue as to why?
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Ok. So I’m in the grocery store stocking up on pasta and spaghetti sauce. I happen to overhear the conversation between the lady in front of me and the cashier. She explains that all this stuff is for a church function and not to be taxed. So when it’s my turn I begin to tell her about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and how all this stuff is for a sacred ritual and also shouldn’t be taxed. She doesn’t buy it, but I remain persistant. Eventually she gets the store manager. After about ten minutes of trying to convince them that this is a legitimate church I give up.
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So where do we stand with this? I mean, now that the door has been opened, don’t we get same rights as all the other religions? It’s time to act!
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eddie,
I think you have to be on one of those sacred lists of acceptable religions. Although I’ve never seen a copy of one of these lists. Never seen a copy of that darn gay agenda I’ve heard so much about either….
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No offense meant thar, Nikkie. Actually I was just trying to stick up for you wenches.
eddie spaghetti
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eddie spaghetti Jan 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Ok. So I’m in the grocery store stocking up on pasta and spaghetti sauce. I happen to overhear the conversation between the lady in front of me and the cashier. She explains that all this stuff is for a church function and not to be taxed. So when it’s my turn I begin to tell her about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and how all this stuff is for a sacred ritual and also shouldn’t be taxed. She doesn’t buy it, but I remain persistant. Eventually she gets the store manager. After about ten minutes of trying to convince them that this is a legitimate church I give up.
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So where do we stand with this? I mean, now that the door has been opened, don’t we get same rights as all the other religions? It’s time to act!
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Here in the states, you need a tax ID number.
Maybe Bobby can help you out with that.
Ramen
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Eddie,
Nucular is actually a word, believe or not. It’s a popular teenage mutant ninja turtle statement of excitement or joy, equivalent to tubular. As I said, if GW didn’t absolutely stay the course on pretending to be head-in-a-shitpile stupid, then we’d see through the whole thing and start demanding a fair, honest, and transparent government…and everyone knows we don’t have a right to ask for that here in America. That’s why GW and the republican congress got rid of it. Besides, setting aside proper pronounciation, spelling, rules of grammar, and proven scientific knowledge is the true path to salvation. That’s why I’m going to start saying nucular and I’ll spend more time on the various internets and googles as well.
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Antibush;
No offense to you either. Twas only talking bout me vote thar. We usually vote for those with similiar interests to represent us. If yer’ve got no interest in the wenches, well thats yer business but being Anti, well thats another thing.
e.s.
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eddie,
I will neither confirm nor deny any accusations of consorting with wenches. What I will say is that the wench in question was not actually my wench, she was my massage therapist and I was seeing her on a weekly basis for a chronic problem….and I did not inhale. I have no further statements to make at this time. Please redirect all questions to my attorney, Mr. Penis Chaney.
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@Peter Popoff
“they don’t like me so much? And I haven’t a clue as to why?”
hahahaha
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I don’t think PB (pb) likes a few of the people over on the BBC “Andrew McIntosh responds” either. He can put a sentence together, but continually brings up all the red herrings on answersingenesis, as well as totally change the subject when he is cornered.
(don’t they all…hahahaha) He also may be under the impression he has a lot more people posting at him than he has! Just a hunch :)
Nearly every post of his references that site. A little like herr dokta, without only a little arrogance and no cut/paste. He is very big on the “200 scientists agree with us” line. Could be a collegue of the good doktas. Then again most of them spout the same rubbish in the same way. He is determined though. He’s been wiped out, so many times and just keeps coming back.I’m am seriously convinced that AIG hires these people to go onto forums and yank everyones chain, so as to make it look like a big debate.
Anyway, I’ve got to install a few new programs on my system, so keep up the good work and I’ll catch later. :)
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You took the words right out of my mouth, Dr. Maglacey
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@Dr Maglacey
You’re right about pb on the BBC forum. His original pet line was ‘Why hasn’t anyone ever shown a half-evolved feather?’. Then forum poster Tony Jackson, I assume a scientist, posted a list of references to scientific journal articles concerning fossils in China that did show half-evolved feathers. His excuse for ignoring them: my internet connection is too slow to download the links. Then he turned to the 200 scientists on AIG. So I pointed out to him that science is not decided by majority vote. But that if you want to play the numbers game, someone else stated there are 353000 pro-evolution scientists, i. e. almost 2000:1 in favour of evolution. But does he accept that science speaks in favour of evolution? No, of couirse not. He prefers to focus on the tiny exception to claim that the scientific field is divided. Sigh.
Btw: would the BBC forum posters ‘Observer’, ‘Questioner’, ‘Mark’ and ‘Nikky’ happen to be you?
Also of interst on that BBC blog in case you missed it in the Discovery Christmas thread: Richard Dawkins was elected man of the year in the area of religion, ethics anb media. Thanks in part to the votes by you, my fellow Pastafarians. Thanks for your votes.
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Reguarding the BBC forum posters, I don’t know what you mean DutchPastaGuy.
I’m not Mark, but sometimes I do have a problem remembering who I am on all these blogs. I’m pretty sure that I’m Nikki though, at least on one or two posts. Depends on the subject at the time I think.
Must be quite rather disconcerting for PB having so many different science types posting against him though. ;)
Mark is doing an excellent job over there, but I fear that pb really is only trying to waste his time. I hope Mark doesn’t get too bogged down in it, as I’m sure he has more promising things to do. The forums on that site seem to take so long to load (could be my system) and then there is the moderation waiting time. Very time consuming!
Mark is also a lot more eloquent and concise than those other posters you named.
As you said Tony Jackson’s post also stood out and I think, if I remember correctly, Peter Klaver too.
RAmen
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I think Wench Nikky may be Dr. Maglacey! ( don’t tell the little daffodil though ;)
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Hope you don’t work for the secret service DutchPastaGuy.
Nikky
…………..Who is now suffering badly from an identity crisis. ;)
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Hi Nikky,
Mark and Tony are indeed doing good work. Mine (Peter Klaver) has been limited mostly to applauding Tony and the others for their constructive science approach. And maybe tearing down some of the very obvious flaws in pbs posts. My last reply to pb has been to say I’m done with answering his nonsense and to encourage the other scientist posters to ignore him also. As you said, it wastes so much time.
The BBC blog waiting times are not in your system. The blog server doesn’t render the total thread as a single html page that it then sends , instead it sends each post one by one. So if there are 80 posts in a thread, you go through the latency, tcp/ip overhead etc 80 times.
Hope you get your sense of self back soon. And don’t worry, I spend my working hours doing a bit of numerical quantum mechanics calculations on FeCr alloys. No secret service angle in it at all.
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I’m sure I’ve just made my last response there. There was one ( 43. Joseph Mastropaolo, so it was back a bit.) that I had missed.
No doubt someone already answered. What got me was, on checking, this Professor has earned a few credentials , (Education:
B.S. Kinesiology, Brooklyn College, NY – 1950
M.S. Kinesiology, University of Illinois – 1955
Ph.D. Kinesiology, University of Iowa – 1958
Electrocardiography and Biophysics of the Circulation, University of Chicago, Medical School – 1962,63 )
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but threw up:
Quote:
“Evolution and its alleged spontaneous generation origin were disproven by Dr. Francesco Redi in 1668, then more rigorously by Louis Pasteur in 1864, and most rigorously by John Tyndall in 1877. Those reproducible experiments have never been overturned.
After 1877, the vitalism humbug of evolution joined mysticism, astrology, and alchemy in the dustbin of history.”
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Unbelievable!!!!
I bet AIG is paying him some big retirement money. Bloody con artists, the lot of them!
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I read post 43 as well. Amazing and depressing at the same time. That post was actually useful to me, as it provided the number of pro-evolution scientists (353000). Creationists like to hold up the 200+ scientists who support Creationism on the AIG website. Not that science is decided by democratic majority or a large minority, but if you want to play the numbers game, it’s nice to see that for every Creationist scientists, there are ~1700 evolutionists.
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“That post was actually useful to me, as it provided the number of pro-evolution scientists (353000).”
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The Professor Joseph Mastropaolo post?
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Sorry, yes you are right :)
I didn’t remember because I was concentrating on the spontaneous generation bit.
Getting tired here, almost time to log out.
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@theAntibush Jan 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm : …I did not inhale.
If find your response entirely disingenuous and designed to mislead.
The question is not whether you inhaled, but did she….
I actually came in the hail the Miracle we have seen.
For lo! It came to pass that the prophet saw that he had made a mistake and the spelling of Separation was corrected. For such is the humility of the prophet and the FSM that they can make a right cock-up and take full responsibility instead of blaming it on some obvious sock-puppet ‘talking snake’ or deeply suspect ‘free will’ bullshit like some other deities we could mention but are far too polite.
Come on God that snake thing has never been seen since and it was you standing behind a bush wasn’t it. It’s be 4000 years or so (apparently) surely you can be man enough (or even God enough?!) to admit it.
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Who are AIG? And are they in any way related to the people who sponsor Manchester United?
And further more, WTF is someone saying the discredited principle of ’spontaneous generation’ (that complex lifeforms arise frequently spontaneously from ‘inert’ matter) in any way detracts from evolution (that under the right conditions complex lifeforms will inevitably evolve over hundreds of millions of years in incremental steps guided by the intrinsic but undirected manifest process of natural selection arising inevitablely from the nature of self reproductive entities).
These guys really, really should pay a lot more attention in school.
This stuff or 14-16 year-olds, guys. Get with the program!
We really have found their problem if they don’t understand the difference between those two.
Is someone suggesting that 1 in 1700 doesn’t understand that? What is the definition of scientist in use here?
RAmen
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“Who are AIG?”
Answers In Genesis
It seems that all of the YEC organisations (bar one, I think?) are part of their conglomerate. Including ‘Truth in Science’
Stated agenda of social engeneering to implement religious principles into all levels of society!! Yet they always claim there is some type of conspiracy among scientists.
For all the low down on the YECs in UK and their affiliations (masters).
See the British Centre for Science Education (BCSE) for what appears to be a mass of well documented information reguarding these YEC groups.
It appears to be an excellent site, although I’ve only visited briefly but will be going back there. Sounds like quite a few closet ghosts exist.
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience
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“Truth In Science – A Primer on the Organisation”
Roger Stanyard, 30th June 2006 (updated September 2006)
http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/TruthInScience#primer
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‘TRUTH IN SCIENCE [TIS]‘
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I’ve got one of my own… TRUTH IN THE SPAGHETTI [TITS]
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Hi Captain Noodulous,
You wrote:
“These guys really, really should pay a lot more attention in school.”
Unfortunately, the YECs and IDiots are trying to push Creationism into schools, sometimes disguised as supposed science under the nomer of Intelligent Design. So maybe the laziness of some students will save us: kids not listening to what BS is being peddled to them.
You wrote:
“Is someone suggesting that 1 in 1700 doesn’t understand that? What is the definition of scientist in use here?”
The 200+ Creationsist scientists are the ones listed on AIG, most of them do have PhDs and even professors titles. The 353000 Evolutionists are a number I got from a discussion about religion vs science on a BBC blog. I don’t know where it came from originally or how accurate it is.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 2nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm
“For lo! It came to pass that the prophet saw that he had made a mistake and the spelling of Separation was corrected. For such is the humility of the prophet and the FSM that they can make a right cock-up and take full responsibility instead of blaming it on some obvious sock-puppet ‘talking snake’ or deeply suspect ‘free will’ bullshit like some other deities we could mention but are far too polite.
Come on God that snake thing has never been seen since and it was you standing behind a bush wasn’t it. It’s be 4000 years or so (apparently) surely you can be man enough (or even God enough?!) to admit i”
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Hahahahaha
RAmen
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The shcools that try to shove religion down the students throats may well just make them into athiests, I mean seariously, how many people here never tried to find some bit of information, obscure of otherwise, to try and catch a teacher out? all the religious bs might just get them to research the real world. Or maybe it’s just an Irish thing, probably is, the best way to get us to do something is to ban it (within reason).
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@Rabbit
“Or maybe it’s just an Irish thing, probably is, the best way to get us to do something is to ban it (within reason).”
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True for a lot of Auatralian Irish decendents.
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Right on Rabbit. I agree. Baning without a reason is like a red flag, look at me, truth! truth!… (I’m Irish)
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That is so very true, many students have visited this website since the school had it blocked. (Apparently we use too many cuss words and pornography laden phrases ^_^)
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Rabbit is clearly very wise. My mother is an adamant atheist to the point where she would have been as disappointed with her children if they were religious as if they turned out gay, she dislikes Christians in particular. The reason for this is that she went to a faith school, a convent, where she was bulled by nuns for years. I thought that this was limited to Europe, or at least the Weston world till one day I was talking to an indian friend who divulged that his mother hates Christians because she went to a convent school on the other side of the world.
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“pornography laden phrases”
Noodley Appendage maybe?
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Wench Nikkiee, Hi Nikkiee.
No I’m not picking on you! But I must say, your spelling, typing, whatever.
Has gone down the crapper, these last couple of days! hahaha
Have you been drinking? hahaha
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@Beastly Rich
My father too Beastly. His mum was an Irish Catholic! Relatives wanted to get a preist to his deathbed and as wasted as he was, you could see his anger. His immediate family (us) didn’t let them.
RAmen
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@Peter Popoff
Hi Peter
“But I must say, your spelling, typing, whatever. Has gone down the crapper, these last couple of days!”
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I blame it on, too much of trying to have a disussion with oily illiterate IDiots.
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@Wench Nikky Jan 2nd, 2007 at 5:49 pm:
Just checking because the worlds largest insurance company is called the American International Group (AIG) and I’m liable to get the two mixed up.
I do like the quote:
No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
– Answers in Genesis’ Statement of Faith
Its good that everyone keeps an open mind…
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