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Falwell’s Flub: Jerry-Rigged Policy Opens Door For Pagan Proselytizing In Virginia Public School
A group of Pagans in Albemarle County, Va., was recently given permission to advertise their multi-cultural holiday program to public school children – and they have the Rev. Jerry Falwell to thank for it.
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@Iron gill Kidd Jan 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
“Evolutionists� People who agree with the theory of evolution(read: anyone with half a brain in their heads) aren’t called that,
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You are absolutely right Iron gill Kidd. This was a term invented by creationists to try and portray established ecolutionary principles as some type of religous dogma.
Well, you learn something every day. I didn’t know evolutionist was a term used to insinuate dogma. I used it frequentlly here and on the BBC blog. Woops.
@ pb
I don’t mean this to sound condescending, it’s just the way I talk sometimes, if you’re having so much trouble with understanding evolution, I would suggest a face to face discussion with someone who has studied biology, preferably not a particularily religious person, no reason for said person not to have faith, but a heavy dose of religious indoctrination could force them to subconsciously undermine the theory of evolution as they explain it.
While I’m talking, theory means tested, the theory of evolution has been more heavily tested than the laws of thermodynamics to my knowledge. Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.
About the person of the year vote, do you honestly think that there are enough of us to change the outcome so much? Thanks for the complement to our Church, but there are plenty of atheists around not here who I’m sure voted for him too.
“Noone at all has ever disproved it, the first person who does will get a big cheque and a trip to Stockholm.”
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And even if it was disproved, that wouldn’t prove creationism, as creationism has a vast amount of evidence contradicting it.
Seeing as creationism is the fundie translation of ‘I don’t know’ it can’t have much to back it up, the other way of translationg ‘I don’t know’ into fundie, is ‘God did it’, sometimes with ‘you poor misguided soul, you really don’t understand do you?’ stuck on the end.
@Noodlicous Jan 12th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Taken from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
Hmmm… you know, when you get right down to it, there is nothing wrong with classifying a person by the opinions they hold. You can class them by religion (christian, muslim, scientologist, etc), by politics (liberal, tory, republican, etc), personal outlook (optimist, pessimist) and in other fields at least, the philosophy they feel best applies (eg. Marxist, Malthusian etc).
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So why shouldn’t you get the same divisions in scientific views?
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I’m damn proud to be an evolutionist, because it means I am someone who follows the scientific method, and holds in logical conjecture based on overwhelming evidence.
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So, say it loud and say it proud! I’M AN EVOLUTIONIST!
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Jingles
The evolutionist with bells on!
@DutchPastaGuy
Not having a go at you or anything, but please don’t mention pbs name to me personally again. He is a troll and I’ve had reading his BS up to my limit. I’m am sure you know what I mean. I’ve just been over to the BBC blog and he is still going on about “the big Pastafarian conspiracy” lol
Seems you are getting the balme for all of it too. :(
That’ll teach you to call him out with your feathers :)
Anyway I’m kind of busy with some rather serious stuff at present, so I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Might get Wench Nikkiee to pay him a visit sometime in the near future, if she is not too busy.
@Pastafarian #5,
With you on the troll verdict. Although I take it as a compliment to us Pastafarians that we are seen as a force serious enough to form dangerous conspiracies and plots to take over the world. The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club will be a monumental day for us, I feel. What better endosement as being taken serious can you get?
I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme” mean? If it means giving up, then you’re wrong. I’m just shifting to a different approach. Pb has been adressed often enough, I don’t think he has any credit left even among hard-line creationists. So now I’m going to see if they will stand up for him openly or distance themselves from him. I can imagine two scenarios that would both suit me fine.
1) they will denounce him as an utter arse themselves. Suits me fine.
2) none of them will speak out on his behalf. That is the scenario sofar. Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.
If they do speak out on his behalf I’ll just have to see what they say before deciding how to carry on.
I’ve been reading that BBC McIntire forum. He really is a pompous knob isn’t he. Is there really any point debating anything with him?
I keep thinking that I should stop lurking and post something as he seems to feel threatened by how many pastaferians there are
Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?
“I’m not a native English speaker, what does “getting the balme†mean?”
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hahaha It means I didn’t check my spelling! (us usual) I meant “blame” :)
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“Suits me fine too, and I will occasionally point out the absence of support for him.”
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Don’t overdo it too much or you’ll sound like he does. He continually uses what’s called an “argument from popularity” hence the constant “200 scientists”. The majority of people generally find it an annoying declaration no matter what the social/business situation.
You seem to do a good job of showing his ignorance and the deception in his declared intentions pretty well. But you are right, he must be embarrassing the hell out of the other creationists. I can only imagine how much the non-extremist Christians are cringing if they are reading his posts and I’d say there might be quite a few of those following along. They certainly won’t be happy with this fanatical money hungry cult, the creationist/ID gang, bringing cristianity into increasingly ill disrepute by their sleazy behaviour. Anyway I’ve really got to get back to some serious work.
Don’t let on about any more of our major conspiracies will you :) Especially the plan to take over mars from the martians. Mum’s the word ;)
Good luck.
@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:26 am
“Who is this pb of whom you speak?
Is he/she doing the ‘there is no advantage to evolving half a feather’ argument?”
Yes Captain. If you want to torure yourself by reading his posts on the BBC forum, here is the link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/the_thermodynamics_of_andy_mci.html
I wouldn’t wish him on anybody though, he gets off on whining and trying to be an obvious actor. Continually repeats himself and tries to drag everyone round and round in circles. Then tells you how nice he is being. I think troll is the correct discription. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is getting paid to do it either. Impression of the big ID/evolution debate, you know! Bunch of con artists, nothing less!
@Beastly Rich Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:02 am
“Is there really any point debating anything with him?”
No Beastly. What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.
Hi guys. I see pb has got himself a little attention on here. He doesn’t deserve it!
Ahhh, #5, #2’s plan worked, I seduced dr Kliener and stole the blueprints of ‘The Machine!’. #1 will be pleased!
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Oh no! I said that on a public forum!
“What he does is attempt to glue wings on a dead fish to make it fly.”
Maybe pb hasn’t heard that McIntosh had a meeting with the powers that be and they told him that creationism/ID was pseudo science (not science, I think the correct words were) and couldn’t be taught as such in schools. I have the link somewhere if anyone missed that news. (7 Dec.)
DutchPastaGuy -”…The day we discover a CIA or Mossad agent has infiltrated our ranks to keep an eye on our ‘dangerous’ club…”
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I read an article a few months back in “MicroMart” (a UK weekly computer magazine - pretty cynical but certainly not sensationalist) about MI5 using webcrawlers on blog sites to look for signs of terrorist activity, I think the latest liquid explosives and US / UK aircraft was stopped that way.
Apparently they search for keywords. Probably bomb, sarin, tabun, plutonium, gas centrifuge etc.
There were stories a few years ago about the joint GCHQ/NSA establishment in Cheltenham doing the same with ‘phone calls.
I don’t know how true that is but I feel it is my duty, as a complete tit, to use the terms at every possible opportunity :)
@Beastly Rich
Consider youself demoted!!! I know it’s not my call, but I’m sure the others will agree that you should clean out the pods for the rest of the week in penance for your loose lips!