Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute’s Evolution News & Views has posted an article on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s treatment of the Christmas holiday.
During the holiday season, many Americans take time to seriously and respectfully reflect on Judeo-Christian religious beliefs. Not so for one website, the “Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” (FSM), a pro-evolution satire against intelligent design. They exhibit no interest in treating Christian holidays with respect. To celebrate the season, they are selling Christmas cards which show a dead Christian fish symbol. Other Christmas Cards portray Michelangelo’s well-known “Creation of Adam” painting on the Sistene Chapel, but the FSM cards have God replaced by the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.†Another graphic promoted on the page shows a nativity scene where Jesus is replaced by the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” I can appreciate humor, but it’s also clear that the FSM images are intended to mock traditional religion:
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I disagree with most of what he’s saying – we are no more mocking Christian beliefs than Christians are mocking ours – but it’s still an interesting read.
Read the whole article HERE.
“I can appreciate humor, but it’s also clear that the FSM images are intended to mock traditional religion:…….”
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Right on about that christian parody of FSMism mocking our beliefs, Prophet Bobby! RAmen
“I’m not one who mocks, so whether you worship God or mock Him, and whether you had a turkey or spaghetti and meatballs for Christmas dinner, I sincerely hope you have had a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, and a safe holiday season.”
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Well now, there’s a surprise! Are they up to something or just trying to reign in the damage, that Demski and others have done to their cause over the past few weeks?
The IDiots can be a very sneaky lot.
RAmen
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Oh my FSM, enough with the blasted complaining! So we may or may not be making fun of their holiday celebrating an event that may or may not have happened years and years ago. Don’t these people have better ways to spend their time? Can’t they go and…feed the hungry or something? Jeeze!
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Unless I’m missing something I note there’s no way to comment on that article…
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RAmen to Gill and Wench Nikky!! It’s time for the complaining religious freaks to:
1) stop being hypocrites about their own so-called religions,
2) get a life,
3) learn some spelling and grammar!!!
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I’m leading the fight at my school to get FSMism taught in biology classes and so far im winning. Yet I am fearful that i will be attacked by scientists and christians/catholics. I might make it onto the local news also, they seem interested. I’ve got 4 pages worth of supportive evidence that my principal asked for, and im almost ready to present it to him. If any of you, my friends, could help me in my fight, I would appreciate it very much. Help me bring the FSM to Massachusetts!
RAmen!
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I have been searching for quite awhile for some answers. Thank FSM for using the noodly appendage to guide me to your site. I feel so much better now…All Hail the FSM!
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@gill Dec 29th, 2006 at 11:23 pm
“Unless I’m missing something I note there’s no way to comment on that article…”
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Sneaky I tell ye Gill, downright sneaky. Just like their…ahem…designer “science claims”
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@Alchemist, when you come on board, please don’t give in to showering little daffodil with the attention he so desperately begs for. He’ll drag you down to his level (where he is an expert) and beat you every time! :)
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If nothing else, this Discovery article should bring us in a sizable infusion of new, pseudo scientific mail.
:) :)
RAmen
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Casey Luskin keep calling the scientist supporting fsm for “Darwinists”. Isn’t such language mainly used by creationists? (If scientist just followed Darwin blindly, like the wording suggest, for one thing the importance of mutations would not have been discovered – not even the concept of genes was known at the time.) Does this mean that the discovery institute is run by the ID-people, although other parts of the article seem less biased? I guess I must have a look at their web-site.
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‘ “Flying Spaghetti Monsterism†is “a satirical ‘religion’ created by Bobby Henderson, a physics graduate of Oregon State University’
no more real then your religion yours, at least we have proof behind ours
RaMen
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@Henry
Discovery is the home of ID, as well as home base of it’s two star clown princes, Demsky (my favourite) and Behe.
There are some substantial differences between them and the completely mad YECs.
Really hard to miss a YEC, (they won’t let you!), however the IDiots are often disguise themselves as unbiased scientists and more far more insidious.
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Hi Nikky,
If you like the Discovery Institute cklowns, then you may enjoy the read on
http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/12/27/6407
I only looked at the introduction of the nearly two hour webcast sofar, seeing all of it should be interesting. Some of the other webcasts also seem worthwhile.
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Thanks DutchPastaGuy I’ll definately check it out.
I love IDiot clowns. Can’t eat too many in one sitting however, as they usually take a fair while to digest.
Thought I should come and correct the spelling of Dembski’s name in case someone wants to Google it or something. Done! The names Dumbski and Be-hehehe may also return some hits from Google.
RAmen
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Speaking of YECs, Professor Andrew McIntosh has just reposted BBC site, the reguarding his public stand that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics denies the validity of evolution. I’ve been following the thread on and off over the past few days and just hit paydirt with his latest post. For anyone interested in that saga:
The start of his post:
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At 07:26 AM on 30 Dec 2006,
A C McIntosh wrote:
Now that the 2nd law has had time to work on the Turkey this Christmas…… maybe a few words are in order on thermodynamics and living machinery which I spoke about on the Sunday Sequence program on Dec 10th.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2006/12/andy_mcintosh.html#commentsanchor
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“whether you had a turkey or spaghetti and meatballs for Christmas dinner, I sincerely hope you have had a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, and a safe holiday season.”
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A fine sentiment, but there is really no ned to choose. Have spaghetti with turkey meatballs!
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OEJ, Happy Holidays and Merry Mithras.
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i spied in the aforementioned article
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“While much of this is witty and fun, these comments reveal an underlying anti-religious mindset by these Darwinist academics who “endorse” FSM in a tone which mocks traditional Judeo-Christian religion.”
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you’re about 2 months too late, in case anyone was in any douby here’s the link
http://www.venganza.org/2005/08/25/i-dont-believe-this-shit.htm
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so, dearly piratical, we are gathered here today to join in shanty….
all together now
mock, mock, mock,
mock, mock, mock,
mock, mock, mock,
mock, mock, mock,
mock, mock, mock,
mock, mock, mock,
MOCK
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It is not just “a dead Christian fish symbol”, it’s a “dead Christian fish symbol with a pirate eye patch”, thank you very much. Yarrrrr me noodly’s.
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“…it’s also clear that the FSM images are intended to mock traditional religion”
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Mockery is the sincerest form of flattery, or something like that. I just don’t get that this is a bad thing. Satire mocks. If it didn’t it wouldn’t be very effective, now would it. And, we are just giving an eye for an eye, or an eye-patch for an eye-patch. Aaaaarh!
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Dumbski’s like an adult TLM
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While we ourselves may at times mock any and all religions (especially scientology), Pastafarianism only mocks ID. It does a very good job, too.
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@Sacreligous Sea-Dog
If ever a cretin is denying the FSM bring in the Gospel, then when he/she attempts to burn it tell he/she that Nazis burned books! It will get them to shut up every time. (note: only tried on one person)
Also have the open letter to the Kansas school board magically be open on your teachers computer. With this I have created One (1) teacher who excepts pastafarianism as a religion although he hasn’t fully converted.
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Saying we are only against Judeo-Christains is not fair. I feel that we give all religions equal time, but the Judeo-Christian people are the only ones that try to retort.
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The Muslims are a non-iconic group, so it would be difficult to make an icon that would accurately poke fun at them. Nearly all the pagan icons have been either subjugated or destroyed by the Christians. Anime has done a good enough job at ridiculing the Eastern religions.
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What makes these people write such rubbish? “I appreciate the humor…” if he apreciates the humor then what’s the problem? a big thing in FSMism is that we don’t care what others believe, we present the evidence and our arguement then they make up their own minds. it’s our ultra cool pirate fish not a christian holier-than-thou fish symbol, we present our ‘creation of man’ and prove Jesus was not the FSM in disguise. We’re not mocking you, by coming on here and expressing your hateful and quite messed up opinions you’re mocking us and you’re so out numbered you wouldn’t believe 10000000 vs. 1.
RAmen you christian son of a bitch
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I find it hilarious that these, secure in their own knowledge types. Have taken notice of, and been offended by the FSM.
That seems to speak volumes for the overall credibility of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Besides, publicity, be it good or bad. Is always better then no publicity.
Ramen
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Practical thought: would it be difficult for the web admins to make the number of posts in a thread appear along the thread title on the home page? That would relieve us regulars of checking every time in the most recent threads if new entries have been made.
Also, as some of us are using the forum basically as an instant chat tool, why don’t we exchange Skype ids (mine is tpcklaver).
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RAMEN!!
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Wow, did I just get an endorsement from his Noodlyness?!?
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Not sure?
Ok, someone has to tell me the difference between a christian fish, and a regular fish?
Because I just don’t know? Has a christian fish been baptized or something?
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@Nikky They’re bringing up the second law AGAIN? As MC Hawking put it so brilliantly in ‘Entropy’, “Creationist always try to use the second law/ To disprove evolution, but their theroy has a flaw/The second law, as we know, is quite clear about where it applies/Only in closed systems must the entropy count rise/The Earth’s not a closed system, it’s powered by the sun/So **** the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun”.
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dantes_torment Dec 30th, 2006 at 10:08 pm
@Nikky They’re bringing up the second law AGAIN? As MC Hawking put it so brilliantly in ‘Entropy’, “Creationist always try to use the second law/ To disprove evolution, but their theroy has a flaw/The second law, as we know, is quite clear about where it applies/Only in closed systems must the entropy count rise/The Earth’s not a closed system, it’s powered by the sun/So **** the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gunâ€.
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That’s good, I think dantes_torment?
But what does any of that have to do with christian fish?
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I for one am getting tired of being referred to as a “mock religion”. What does a religion have to do to be taken seriously?
Oh yeah, kill.
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@dantes_torment
“The Earth’s not a closed system, it’s powered by the sun/So **** the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gunâ€.
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As we keep telling them over and over and over and…………………..again.
If you havn’t done so you should check forum out. A pretty good balance of scientifically ignorant YEC minions and those from rational science. The typical YEC argument (hahah…that’s a funny name for what they do) argument technique: Everytime someone answered one of their claims, change the subject to some broad stupid undefined question or totally unrelated statement. All the usual ones:
/attack on Darwin/200 scientists agree withus/atheists are bad/Richard Dawkins is satan/yeah but can you prove god doesn’t exist…. ect!
But it’s a good forum. I’ve had a little fun there ;)
Thing about this McIntosh saga, is that he is a Professor of Thermodynamics stating his views publicly and another Professor has spoken out in support. The sh*t is really hitting the fan over this one.
That is for those who aren’t familiar with this current crisis for the YECs
RAmen
The latest post I linked earlier has it’s own forum now as well. Waiting to see one start on the Dawkins site!
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After checking out the discovery institutes web-site, it is clear that Nikky’s comment about them is right, but I find their agenda and strategy really worrying. Their claim of objectiveness, trying to make it look as if there is a real dabate among serious scientists make them a dangerous enemy. It makes me suspect there must be some smart people behind it, at least smart in a strategic sense. (It never ceases to amaze me, that no matter how stupid an idea is, it still manages to get at least a few smart supporters.) Fortunately FSM is the perfect opponent to the discovery institute, being able to expose them as ridiculous, and not giving them any of the credibility they could gain in a serious scientific debate. Any other means to oppose ID is likely to be counterproductive. One may easily win a scientific debate, but the message that reach most of the audience could very well be just that there is a debate among scientists over these issues. Keep up the good work!
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@Peter Popoff – Christian fish has to swim in your holy water silly! And they have to get out to pee.
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“no matter how stupid an idea is, it still manages to get at least a few smart supporters.”
As long as there is enough money, (I think Discovery is rolling in it) you can buy the best spin doctors in the business. Also buy a few new believer scientists or even grow/train your own. (who cares if nobody in repectable science recognises their credentials!!!)
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“but the message that reach most of the audience could very well be just that there is a debate among scientists over these issues.”
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I so agree with that statement Henry. RAmen
I try to be careful and make sure that I point out, as often as possible, in any discusion that there is no real debate. Many in fields of science refused to comment in the piece for this same reason. Trouble is now those science academics are realising that the general public is mostly ignorant of the finer details of most things being contended.The YEC/IDiot bandwagon are pushing for favourable public opinion and therefore influence over government policy. I think those with enough knowledge/intelligence reguarding the areas brought up in these arguments should contribute if possible without getting bogged down in them. This leaves the higher professionals to handle whatever they need to on their own level. Mind you it hasn’t taken a rank of Professor to shoot down McIntosh et.al., even though Richard Dawkins did a good job of it. Doesn’t matter what rank you hold if you know what you are talking about, which Professor McIntosh clearly does not! (or more likely is deliberately being interlectually dishonest)
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The higher ranks, as I call them have their hands full trying to protect scientific integrity on a number of levels.
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Examples of Political Interference in Science
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/interference/a-to-z-alphabetical.html
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Sorry guys, wrong link for the “Union of Concerned Scientists” site, but the following one is correct:
http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/
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This page concerns what I was referring to in (that rather long), as in political interference , post above.
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/
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On a lighter note, I picked this link up, (posted by Peter Hearty), over on Richard’s Grand Canyon forum.
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“Mathematics is an Atheist Lie” by Peter Hearty
http://www.hearty.plus.com/bumblism/maths.html
Reminded me of our own attempts at triming down the numbers in the system.
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Nice one Nikky, worth a bookmark for me too.
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Reguarding the Grand Canyon fiasco
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).
“…..In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon….”
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I think these public employees may already be dedicated pirates, (I’m 99% positive….notice the global warming activism links on their site),
but if they are/aren’t, I nominate them for some sort of Pirate/Pastafarian Award. Almost suffering terminal dementia from fighting fundies on a few boards over the past days, (you all know how reading that crap continuously effects your brain), I don’t have a single thought as to what this award would be called!!!
What do you guys reckon?
Oh and it’s just gone 12am here, so HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone. I decided to have a quiet night in for the above reasons, plus it was pelting rain here all afternoon.
May the cracks in the masks, of the enemies of rational reasoning, widen further with this arrival of the new year.
Happy New Year all My Pastafarian Warrior Bretheren.
RAmen to you all.
(from the land in the future)
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I find it hilarious that these, secure in their own knowledge types. Have taken notice of, and been offended by the FSM.
That seems to speak volumes for the overall credibility of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Well said, Peter. Only someone gullible enough to believe in talking bushes, virgin births and holy zombies could feel threatened by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Speaking of zombies, did Jesus and Lazarus steal cursed Aztec gold? Just wondering…
What these religious zealots really hate is that we are now playing by their own rules, and in the process showing them how ridiculous they all are. Reason doesn’t have any effect on these people, so I suppose this is the only way to combat nonsense. I have no doubt that many, many Christians feel trapped in the religion of their upbringing, and would welcome the noodly embrace of the FSM if only they were aware of Him. We have our heading, mates. Raise anchor and set sail to spread the word! Arrrrrr.
RAmen
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So many religions are modifications of earlier religious incarnations, just think of the umpteen varieties of christianity out there in the world. One might argue that FSMism is merely modifying already well known and beloved symbols, not a sign of disrespect (quite the contrary!), and shows the “evolution” of a novel religion (and we know what the ID guys think of evolution). And hence the “Discovery Institute” which although supposedly a science institution (pseudo-science, by any real science standards of course), is actually displaying their parental religious attitude, and their dislike for the new religious offspring, FSMism. However, I think the “Discovery Institute” are themselves a bastardization of a form of Christianity, and they are a self-nominated group that speak for a small subset of Christianity, and should not be considered to be representative or an authority for anyone, they are just a poor attempt at trying to reconcile science and religion by misquoting science and ignoring the scientific method.
Maybe we should create a “Spaghetti Monster Institute” to study his noodly-ness. It could give out grants for scientific study. The grants could be in $1 increments, more than sufficient to buy at least 2, perhaps 3, depending on your geographical location, packages of RAmen. There could be a grant proposal page, where people’s 2 paragraph submissions are posted on how they would use funds to study his noodly-ness?
RAmen to you all.
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the thing about the evil maths is funny. *bookmarked*
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I had to explain to a co-worker yesterday how there really wasn’t any scientific debate about ID and that the whole thing had been made up by a bunch of american bible bashers.
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RAmen Nikkiee.
The more I read some of the ID sites – including the ones linked in here – the more I realise that ID isn’t warmed over creationism so much as Christianity on the ropes.
No wonder they’re fighting so hard. In pursuit of science credentials they’ve shed all but a single shred of their dogma – that life on earth was created. They’ve even shed by whom or for what purpose that’s how little ground they have left themselves with.
If they can’t defend that then they may as well pack their bags and go home. Hint. Hint.
So I can understand why they fight like banshees for it because they must realise that their arguments dn’t win ground and even if they did they’ve got a mountain to climb to justify the remainder of their belief system.
I think they must really hate CoFSM because some college kid can make up a more convincing religion and accidentally recruit followers from all around the world with no funding and the best they can hope to manage is to hold their position.
Reading your post I think you might be professionally involved in holding the line against their nonsense. Is that right?
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Dawkins has been voted man of the year on BBC’s William Crawleys blog!!
Check out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2006/12/person_of_the_year_2006_1.html
In an earlier thread on this website I posted the election url and encouraged people to vote for Dawkins. Many thanks to all Pastafarians who did. This should carry atheists (and rational thinking people in general) into the new year with a very happy feeling. Just imagine: on the blog of the man who hosts a religious BBC program, the worlds number one atheist is voted man of the year. Yummie!
I hope Dawkins keeps up the good work in 2007. The world sure needs it. Forwards rationalism, down with religion.
If you like, go over to that discussion blog and post some message cheering the decision! That way they’ll know that atheism wasn’t just a blip at the end of 2006, we’ll be there very much in 2007.
And how are you feeling, prof. McIntosh?
Bobby Henderson, if you read this, why not start a separate thread for it? Pastafarians were a sizeable force in the voting. This should interest many of your congregation.
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you guys are freaking nazis its sounds like something a 6 yr old would make up “ohh all hail a fucking spaghetti if you worship spagetti then why the hell would you eat it so screw yu and your stupid religon i think ill stick to the God factor so go blow your spegtti king or queen what ever works for you fucking mental cases
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@ Micheal, Thanks Micheal!
FSM loves you too! And Happy New Year!
Ramen
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Michael,
If I worshipped Jesus, then participated in Holy Communion, I would be eating the body of Christ. Yes, I know. That’s barking mad, I tell you. It really sounds as if you need a time out, or possibly a big noodly hug from the FSM. Such hostility.
I am curious about your use of the term “Nazi” to describe my mateys. Please elaborate as to how Pastafarianism is indistinguishable from Nazism. As history tells us, Nazis were intolerant of any criticism, they believed they alone knew the truth, and they were willing to murder millions of people in pursuit of their demented ideals. Hitler even claimed to be doing God’s work, curiously enough. At any rate, I look forward to your well thought-out, erudite response. Sauce be with you.
RAmen
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA
“Reading your post I think you might be professionally involved in holding the line against their nonsense. Is that right?”
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No Captain.
I’m just one of the minions who believes strongly in the cause, who tries to keep track of what is happening.
If I have some confident knowledge of what is being debated, then I’ll get involved.
I have to mention McIntosh again. After my last posts I dropped over to the BBC to check what was happening and more rather professional people (there were already a number there) appear to becoming involved and posting.
Seems there is a lot of detail in the devil of McIntosh’s assertions, in the way of relating to reversable ezyme reactions, enzyme kinetics and increasing complexity on biological molecules to TLSOT. Enzyme kinetics….very important and basics are taught in first year…but I just don’t like the taste of them….gurh!.
Eagerly following along though.
RAmen
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@Micheal. Oh, no. Another teenager in angst who can’t spell his own name. Is there no end to this? I don’t have a lot of confidence in the next generation who will be in power.
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Re-Oared Marc Dec 31st, 2006 at 8:09 pm
@Micheal. Oh, no. Another teenager in angst who can’t spell his own name. Is there no end to this? I don’t have a lot of confidence in the next generation who will be in power.
Dec 31st, 2006 at 8:09 pm
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Hi Re-Oared Marc , I’m glad I’m not the only one to pick up on the spelling.
Of course it could be a new verison of an old name? Like a hamburger… Mc Heal?
Happy New Year!
Ramen
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My, that evil math site looked practically identical to the majority of theistic arguments, down to the punctuation; though it did have fewer misspellings.
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On another note; Micheal, though it’s been mentioned before, think to Holy Communion and the devouring of the body and blood of he whom you claim to be your savior. Also, consider actually reading about us and the Flying Spaghetti Monster; not the spegtti queen(or whatever works for us “mental cases” who seem to have better control over our cognition than you do, not to insult). Would you want us calling you a nazi and criticizing Christianity(which I assume you claim to be your religion), just because we read about your mythology of zombies, ghosts, and magic tricks? I still don’t see the connection between FSMism and nazism; in fact I think we’re pretty much the only religion that hasn’t killed anyone, not to mention mass genocide. Furthermore, I believe that Hitler more or less acted as a Christian in his elder years(when the nazis terrorized everyone).
I find it sad that the chances of “Micheal” ever actually reading any of our responses is slim to none, due to the high probability that s/he’s (maybe Micheal=Michelle?) a hit-and-run kind of person. They read this and figure that it’d be a nice ego boost to attempt to upset us because of his/her ignorance.
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@dantes_torment
“My, that evil math site looked practically identical to the majority of theistic arguments, down to the punctuation; though it did have fewer misspellings”
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Mathematicians aren’t famed for their spelling and grammar . Nor are are lot of other sience types. Praise the spelling and grammar checking program, I say! (not that I use it for my posts here!)
RAmen
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//Mathematicians aren’t famed for their spelling and grammar . Nor are are lot of other sience types. Praise the spelling and grammar checking program, I say!//
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Not to mention doctors. Fortunately they don’t often spell stuff out in dictation, even when they should (difficult names? hello?), and when they punctuate it’s usually beyond belief. We’ve got one who can put six semicolons in a sentence without breaking a sweat. Apparently periods only go at the end of a paragraph.
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Sorry about the bitching. I’ve been up all night reading the hatemail archives (always good for a laugh) and I’ve got to go to work in a couple of hours, 2-hour commute and all, to cover the medical imaging transcription for New Year’s Day, with maybe a little oncology if I run out of radiology and long-winded PET/CTs. (Time-and-a-half. Think time-and-a-half pay!)
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Spellcheck is great for those of use who can spell but can’t always type accurately. Never saw a grammar checker that was worth the trouble.
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Good sailing in 2007, me hearties!
RAmen
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Hehehe Nikky. I was always told my handwriting looked like a spider had crawled across the page. Ha, and people think text speak is new – look back on some old notes – vowels be gone?
Genuine extract from my old notes.
” 4 absn of rf must be xs spns in gd state – if no. a spns = no. B spins –> satn!”
Thank FSM firefox has a built in spell check for blogs :)
Happy New Year All
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This is a recent ID story in the UK:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524442_1,00.html
It is being portrayed as bad news for science.
I can’t see it myself the decision is to allow it as part of the religion syllabus as a ‘religious belief’.
It could well be a good thing for the cause to positively NOT admit it as scientific theory.
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Nikky what about a PastaBowl?
Cap’n Annie Spellcheck only works in certain cases. If you make a spelling error but it is a correct word in itself, the spellchecker doesn’t know. I know, I made a mistake with that in Dutch once, instead of door de heer (by mister …)I wrote dood de heer( kill mister..). So I usually re-read before I post, or in case of important letters, let someone else read it! But English is not an easy language to spell!!
And a happy, pastafilled new year everyone.
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My post will be moderated soon (I hope) but it is also good to see that the British press flags a move about ID with a headline about creationism:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2524442_1,00.html
[same link as before]
It’s good to see no one can be bothered to entertain the ID conceit over here.
It isn’t science and it is creationism.
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Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 1st, 2007 at 8:23 am
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Thanks for the link Cap. Lord Adonis? Do you think he made that one up himself? :)
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On a serious note the quote from Colin Slee, the Dean of Southwark.
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“Everything needs to be explored, so that children can ask sensible questions. Though I see no huge difficulty with exploring intelligent design or creationism or flat Earth, they happen to be misguided, foolish and flying in the face of all evidence. I see no problem with Darwinian theory and Christian faith going hand in hand.â€
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Science and faith have never been good bedfellows, IMHO they are diametrically opposed. You have to give him credit though. Explore, ask sensible questions, then make up your own mind.
RAmen. Colin Slee
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The fact that ID seems to be insinuating it’s way into our schools though is worrying. That it can be brought up in Parliament? It’s often been said that where the USA goes, we tend to follow a few years later. Lets hope not.
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Alchemist,
I agree science and religion are not compatible and we shouldn’t permit the cop out that they are.
There’s an old quote that science and religion have nothing to say to each other.
The facts are more like:
Science: Religion your a bunch of rubbish.
Religion: La La La La. I’m not listening, can’t we co-exist.
That’s why I think ID is Christianity on the ropes. It’s trying to co-exist and failing except in parts of the US renowned for being backward.
What needs to come through is that intellectually we don’t accept ID is anything but warmed up and dressed over creationism and therefore religion and not science.
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I think you’re right that ID is Christianity on the ropes. It’s a “ok folks, the other stuff, well, haha, erm, will you accept this? It’s sort of scientific ish and it doesn’t exclude god. Oh please, we want to be friends with you.”
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I do think it’s dangerous though. The god squad will never accept our views yet they seem to believe that we will, eventually, accept theirs? Most, if not all, of the folks here have open minds, sceptical, but willing to listen and change if the evidence presents.
That’s why we can never win. All we can do is try to prevent the dawning of a new dark age.
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No, ID is the fundementalist molding the evidence into a theory that keeps their God as the creater. I guess you could say on the ropes, but they will never be willing to give up.
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DutchPastaGirl Jan 1st, 2007 at 8:20 am
“Nikky what about a PastaBowl?”
Good idea DutchPastaGirl, if we are not going to get any more input from other Pastafarians here, then a PastaBowl it shall be. I think we could add some sort of Pastafarian motto to the award. Come on guys, these employees were very brave to stand up to the park administrators. I think they deserve a little recognition from us. That way when we send our GoFSM theory of the Grand Canyon origins (get writing, Prophet Bobby, we won’t hold your spelling against you ;), to be sold in the bookstore (if such a thing is still alowed), they may bat in our corner.
RAmen
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@Dr. Maglacey
Wench Nikky told me to say that!
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“We’ve got one who can put six semicolons in a sentence without breaking a sweat. Apparently periods only go at the end of a paragraph.”
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I do that about half the time, I write run-on sentences that make the most hardened of english teachers’ eyes bleed.
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I’ve, been, known for, adding, alot of them , little curly, cue things, in, my posts, too!
But, it’s mostly, because, I think they look, cool, no other, reason, really.
Ramen
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Looks like those darn French and Italian atronomers are plotting their own little part of that evilutionist conspiracy.
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“Do Galaxies Follow Darwinian Evolution?”
‘Science Daily — Using VIMOS on ESO’s Very Large Telescope, a team of French and Italian astronomers have shown the strong influence the environment exerts on the way galaxies form and evolve. The scientists have for the first time charted remote parts of the Universe, showing that the distribution of galaxies has considerably evolved with time, depending on the galaxies’ immediate surroundings. This surprising discovery poses new challenges for theories of the formation and evolution of galaxies……..’
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061207160512.htm
RAmen
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Another top of the pops from the Disco Institute. I call them the Disco Institute because they don’t seem to understand evolution but they sure know how to dance around the issue.
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Thanks for the links Nik.
RAmen
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the 2006 Darwin Award Nominees have been named:
Missed Stop Misstep
2006 Darwin Award Nominee
Unconfirmed by Darwin
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2006-09.html
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Faithful Flotation
2006 Darwin Award Nominee
Confirmed True by Darwin
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2006-02.html
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the 2006 Darwin Award Nominees have been named:
Missed Stop Misstep
2006 Darwin Award Nominee
Unconfirmed by Darwin
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2006-09.html
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Faithful Flotation
2006 Darwin Award Nominee
Confirmed True by Darwin
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2006-02.html
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I like the one about faithfull floatation particularly.
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I hope the people who heard his sermon learned something about Faith vs. Gravity/Dihydrogen Oxide.
RAmen
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@Gnocci Man
“learned something about Faith vs. Gravity/Dihydrogen Oxide.”
That’s a good way of putting it.
hahahahaha
RAmen
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speechless… only thing I can see is christians mocking uss… *sigh*
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what’s the matter casey…can’t get over the fact that your organization sucks and nobody likes people like you.
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it’s like what i say about the discovery institute. it’s a fake institute that really isn’t discovering much; or what i really mean, anything at all
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this casey luskin guy reminds of casey powell….another bitching fundie that has no sense of humor and takes the god thing way too seriously. seriously, if god were everywhere, the world would not be fun at all. to all you fundies out there, get over yourselves. it’s 2007, not the Dark Ages.
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also, they claim that evolution news is based on the fact that the news on TV is biased. well, maybe they should ‘discover’ that the news may be telling the truth on the subject and that they are not that popular within the world.
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I just found this website today because a friend recommended it. You present some fascinating arguments and points, with a humorous spin. I may not agree with all of them, but they definitely make you think. Oh, and as a Christian I would just like to go on the record as saying I am ashamed and abashed about the many hateful comments you’ve received from other Christians. They just make themselves look like baboons, which kind of makes them into living examples of evolution or more appropriately devolution.
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@just me
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good point, i’ll keep that in mind. most of the other christians are the ones that take it to the extreme. this site isn’t an attack on christianity, just a parody of the creationist arguments. may you be touched my noodly appendege.
RAmen and Amen
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Welcome aboard, Just me.
Don’t forget to try the water…
Ramen
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Oh yee followers of FSM, today i have seen the light…err… NOODLES!
It was upon me reading these words of your wisdom, that I understood, that FSM was the one way I could in a religion find, what I wanted to say to the world!
I bow to the Monster and prophet for this revelation!
Long I have concidered to join FSM and now I belive I truly shall! And with me I shall seek to aid the spreading of FSM to the far north, the lands of the proto-pirates, the vikings! The FSMists of Finland bow their eye-patched heads to you.
And I make a solemn promice that I shall NOT depart this world (exept on a space-pirate ship, given chance) unitll the word of FSM has been planted thoroughly into the snowy soild of my homeland!
Glory to the Noodly One!
RAmen!
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Welcome to you too! SaunaPirate.
Did I understand you correctly? You are going to write the FSM’s name in snow with pee?
Cool! I did that for a girl once myself.
Ramen
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@Peter Popoff
Pete it’s me, Pixel Pete, there’s something wrong with my computer so I have to use my awesome alias Mr. Wednesday. I can’t post so I’m seeing if this will work.
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SWEET FSM IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ve been trying to post but it wouldnt work!
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Now let’s see if my old account will work…
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m back everyone, and ready to post again!
@SaunaPirate
I’m glad you’ve seen the ethics of the situation and chosen the clearly logical avenue. May the FSM bring you plunder for your enlightenment.
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Can’t we all just get along?
I, for one, really enjoy a nice meal of body of FSM, but it’s all the better with a nice slice of garlic body of Christ and a rich glass of blood of Christ.
If FSM is gonna beget an only begotten son, can he please be tiramisu flavor?
Yours in supper,
Pirate Deke
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@SaunaPirate
Welcome to our wonderful ship, that is the CoFSM.
The xtians are planning a trip to Hell for us, so I am I right in assuming you won’t have far to travel to this upcoming event. (excuse ignorance I’m an Aussie)
We are not sure about the fire we are supposed to burn in though, because of the amount of snow in Norway. Any ideas how we can get a really really big fire going in the middle of the snow?
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Well! Holy batballs! Pixel Pete,
Glad you can post again. I had that problem once and I had to change my email here? The FSM works in mysterious ways…
Ramen
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Yeah that’s what I had to do too.
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“Any ideas how we can get a really really big fire going in the middle of the snow?”
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I think it’ll be going when we arrive, er, wenche (Can I call you wenche nikk if you’re going to put an e on the end?)
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@Wench Nikkie
I have a friend who speaks some Swedish and another who has a pretty mean German. Will these languages be necessary in Hell, I’m not sure cause I’m pretty sure that all Europeans speak English or something like that.
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Pixel Pete, I’m pretty sure you can speak however you like in hell.
I figure I’ll be so dang drunk, I will be incoherent anyway.
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I think all we’ll need to learn id “another beer please” and “where’s the toilet?”
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i bet more people end up in hell than in heaven
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i wonder what all the people are like in heaven. in my opinion, pretty boring. if it were like how it was in south park: bigger, longer, and uncut; then i might become good
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@Dr. Maglacey Jan 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pm: @Dr. Maglacey “Wench Nikky told me to say that!”
Dr. Maglacey and/or Wench Nikkiee – errm I’m a bit confused now. Who is whom and which one (if any and/or many) is which?
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do you ever wonder on forums if all the people you respond to are the same person?
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Beastly Rich Jan 3rd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
do you ever wonder on forums if all the people you respond to are the same person?
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I do at times wonder that.
It gets somewhat easy if you frequent a forum though.
Everybody has their own style of writting that others really can’t imitate, at least
“can’t imitate” for any length of time anyway.
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Hi everyone,
On the BBC religious blog that elected Dawkins as man of the year (no doubt to the disappointment of those who held the election) there is another thread close to our Pastafarian hearts. This one about Truth in Science cranks writing to the British government. They’re pushing for ID in UK schools, the very thing we absolutely detest. If you have a minute, feel free to post how you feel about this on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/norman_nevin_defends_truth_in.html
And if you do, why not leave a small clue as to how your name in that forum relates to the one over here. I’d like to know the size of the Pastafarian input.
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@DutchPastaGuy
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let’s hope creationists who are Brits are in the minority
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Unfortunately the UK has its share of high-profile Creationists/IDiots. Along with Norman Nevin there is Steve Fuller, as linked in my post on the BBC blog:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/4/8/3523
He was on the pro-ID team in the Dover case. How much worse can it get? We may blame the US for being the source of the ID virus, but it was actually a UK academic who was on the Dover team. Apologies to the Americans for that.
But at least we can keep the religious crowd from claiming they speak on everyones behalf if we make our voices heard (hint, hint, post on BBC blog, this thread in the FSM forum is well taken care of already).
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i love the dover trial. it had a happy ending.
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unfortunatly, we have ass organizations like the discovery institute which hopes to destroy science to appeal to fundies.
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i think the best part of the dover trial was when judge jones III told behe to his face that ID and his idea of irreducible complexity is pure pseudoscience and not recognized at all by the scientific community.
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i also recall he actually called astrology a science
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it’s a shame, i thought lehigh looked like a good college to go to. unfortunatly that’s where behe lives.
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the good thing is that not even the university supports his stupid claims. i wonder what it’s like to be behe, a loser in the scientific world.
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“i wonder what it’s like to be behe, a loser in the scientific world.”
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They get jobs at answers in genesis/ IRC or Discovery, Big bucks to be made if you got a few letters (science degree) to your name and proclaim your support for their interesting ideas. Those loosers are probably raking in way more than any interlectually honest scientist. Selling snake oil is a good business for this crowd.
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At least they’re planning on putting ID in religion class, not science, that way no poor little children will get confused and think it’s what really happened…unless their parents are creasionists…but they’d probably want to home school the kids, keep them away from biology classes etc.
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@wench nikky
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the point of science should not be about money (well, at least not the main goal and focus). most real scientists are interested in exploring the world around them. they don’t seek to be paid by a bunch of rich conservatives who say ‘oh yea, we care about the poor (not really)’. the IDiots use these people to say ’see look, this guy went to college, that must mean ID is correct’. it’s not proving anything really except that they probably went to college. in my view, just because you go to college doesn’t make you a respectable person or even a genius. it just means you graduated from high school and decided to do what most people do.
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if you actually go to college to do something you love, then you have a right to respected.
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Well said jesus christ. RAMEN to that!
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Well said indeed. I’ve known some incredibly stupid graduates, who are very proud of their degree, but don’t have any knowledge of the world outside their study.
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@dutchpastagirl
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it’s funny how the discovery institute likes to advertise the credentials of their followers to make their idea seem just. i don’t see any real scientist doing that. the discovery institute seems really eager to get their ideas to every school in america. it’s funny how it only works when the majority are conservative bible thumpers. why doesn’t it work on the east coast? i guess the east coast is way too liberal. or maybe its because it has less retards than the midwest.
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i also use the term conservative instead of republican. a hard core conservative seems like somebody you really just want to tell to fuck off. a republican is usually pretty balanced. it’s same for democrats and liberals.
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After all this I must poke out a sigh of relief that I live far away from this IDiocy. In Finland, I don’t think that ID had even been MENTIONED in school (let alone elsewhere) and creationism is only a thing that the teacher tells you in religion class as being a part of some silly fairytail in a book too many people take too seriously.
My religion teacher (an atheist, cool, eh?) tells us that “Reading the bible as anything else than a fictional novel with a few added morals is stupid as hell, nad missing the point if the bible itself.” I find this a good way to teach it right. I did once mention FSMism to her, but even though having 3 students in a religion makes it valid to be demanded for classes, FSMism isn’t yet approved to be teached by the goverment here, so me and my poor pirate mates can’t get any FSMism classes here. yet.
Avast yee swabs and RAmen
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Scandanavia must be pretty close to paradise: it is home to Hell (where we should all go according to many fundies) and there are atheist religious teachers! Wow.
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@Saunapirate- wow! that’s so cool. good luck with getting the FSM in there.
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MacIntosh (YEC with profesor title in the UK) is back! He’ll give an interview on BBC radio. The blog that announced the interview is filling up with posts clamouring for critical interview panelists. I hope they do let him face some serious, credible opposition.
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Who will survive?
Mankind or Religion?
Both can’t!
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that doesn’t looks like a christian fish to me…
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@jesus christ Jan 4th, 2007 at 6:24 am
@wench nikky
“the point of science should not be about money”
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My point exactly jesus. I would love to know how much these AIG “scientists’ on the AIG payroll, get paid to support the creation movement. McIntosh is a professor for FSM sake. I wonder if they were pretty useless in their field or just old and looking for retirement money. Then there are probably diploma mill “scientists” in AIGs employ as well. Would be interesting to find out!
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Discovery Institute’s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of modern science and its cultural legacies.
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A sad day for Pastafarians, as Momofuku Ando, the inventor of Instant Noodles (Ramen) died today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-01-06-ando-obit_x.htm
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he is on to a heaven of beer volcanos and a stripper factory
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@Josh Jan 6th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
“A sad day for Pastafarians, as Momofuku Ando, the inventor of Instant Noodles (Ramen) died today.”
His legacy shall live on.
RAmen
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Guys,
There’s more on the usatoday story (posted by Josh) than the BBC story I posted elsewhere.
Including:
“The Momofuku Ando Instant Ramen Museum” opened in 1999 in Ikeda City in western Japan commemorating his inventions.
If the CoFSM has a ‘Mecca’ for pilgrimages, that must be it.
When Bobby gets that boat he’s hankering after I think he should sail to Japan.
It can’t be hard to find, the whole city will look as if it has been badly put together out of chipboard (I think).
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“It can’t be hard to find, the whole city will look as if it has been badly put together out of chipboard (I think).”
ROFL!
Shall we form an “I hate IKEA” support group?!
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Shall we form an “I hate IKEA†support group?!
I prefer ILVA.
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Say what?
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http://www.ilva.co.uk
It’s like Ikea only not quite so crap.
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Not quite as crap as IKEA – somehow you are not selling it to me!
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they have chinese basalt floors. Wow!
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The stuff is nice and better than Ikea but it is still flat pack – hardly up market.
Go to the one near Thurrock Lakeside. The restaurant is nice too.
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I though it was expensive, but I don’t buy much furniture.
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“mock traditional religons”?
And just what makes a religon traditional? What if this was founded first? And Christianity was considered blasphemy by others?
So narrow-minded it makes me sad……
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If you guys at FSM really believe this crap, you’re as crazy as the Christians.
And if you don’t, you’re just being insincere and mocking religion without being brave enough to admit it.
This whole site is ridiculous.
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@Mike
Read the open letter.
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@mike
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learn the meaning of parody. it seems like nobody has a sense of humor these days
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“This whole site is ridiculous.”
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And your point?
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If you guys at FSM really believe this crap, you’re as crazy as the Christians.
CNS:Agreed. But certainly no more crazy.
And if you don’t, you’re just being insincere and mocking religion without being brave enough to admit it.
CNS:I disagree. I thought we were sincere in our mocking of (other) religions. I’m not sure what brave has to do with it. Are the Xians going to do something to us? I thought they were all namby pamby forgiveness-monkeys.
This whole site is ridiculous.
CNS: I’m confused. In the context it sounds like he thinks that’s a bad thing.
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The whole point was explained to him on another thread, he seemed happy enough with the idea over there, wish I could remember which it was though
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The mere fact that the point has to be explained sort of defeats the whole purpose, no? It is like explaining the punchline of a joke. You either got it the first time or it is not very funny. Maybe there should be a humor capacity quiz or something required before entering the sacred Church of The FSM.
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Ahh….a Humour Deficit Disorder dichotomous key!
I believe Nick the Infidel wrote one of those on one of the laughing boy threads. Quite good it was too. Would such an entry requirement provide us with the amount of fun we have now though?
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hahahaha
Agreed!
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@Claprán Jan 8th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Mike seems to be happy in:
http://www.venganza.org/2007/01/07/in-praise-of-an-alternate-creation-theory.htm#comment-35644
That guy takes a seriously long time to understand stuff.
He probably comes up to people days later and says “that was really funny”…
That was at 2:21pm around 4 hours after he made the above comments.
We need to careful of internet time. You don’t always read postings in chronological order between discussion threads.
I wish Bobby would provide access to all postings since date/time X.
Booty would agree, we come back in our evening and you guys have been posting like crazy overnight in the ‘long way from GMT’ timezones.
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Aye Aye Cap’n! (I’ve been waiting to say that for days ;) )
I agree, the times are most confusing, and it takes me ages to try and catch up on what I have missed, and I still think I have missed out on things if they have gone off the “recent comments” bit.
I used to post quite a bit on the “BadMothersClub” site which was a lot easier to navigate, slightly different premis, you could just start a new thread if you wanted, but it was very easy to work out where you left off and catch up.
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@ Captain & Booty – well said. I tried opening different tabs (and keep hoping the RSS feeds will update themselves). In the end I gave up – completely baffled me. Now I do the same as you Booty, recent comments (also open the links in Latest Posts that I’m posting on). Even so.
Captain, was it you that mentioned something about a website crawler? Do you know if Firefox has any plugins for this?
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Hi Alchemist.
As soon as you and I take over the world… er’ I mean are duly stationed as leaders of our countries. We will fix this problem with the website! Agreed?
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I shall be very disappointed if you stop there.
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RAmen to that. Can we liberate beer first?
I wish I was a bit more computer savvy Peter, I thought that RSS feeds updated themselves. Unless I’ve made a balls up, which is quite possible :)
I’m sure I’ve read about a plug in for firefox that allows sites that support it to be searched, can’t find it on mozilla though, I’ll have a look in the developers bit in a bit.
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Dunno, I haven’t looked in to it. Though I am Firefox too as it happens.
I only use IE for my credit card account because it doesn’t fire fox. Dang Nabbit.
You know the basic idea, you provide a web-site and it crawls all the links looking for your key words…
I’m gonna hunt around on the ‘ol web….
I’ll be back later.
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Alchemist Jan 9th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
RAmen to that. Can we liberate beer first?
I wish I was a bit more computer savvy Peter, I thought that RSS feeds updated themselves.
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Ya got me friend? Computer savvy? Heck, I don’t even know what RSS feed, means?
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Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.
Ramen
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“Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.”
We’ve noticed.^_^
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Peter—”Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.”
I’ll drrrrink to that matey!!!
RAmen
CMJK
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Isn’t only liberating beer alchoholist or something? What about all the other poor trapped drinks, we should free them all!
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If their complaining about us using “their” fish i would like to bring up how Eusebius,at the council of Nicea, takes the immage of Pan the greek/roman god of the flock and the harvest and uses his image as the image of satan. Now how would they feel if we took the “virgin” mary and used her as the ultimate evil being?
RAmen
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Da delo dazhe ne v goda. Queen Uschi.
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when you say it’s ove. Ulf Raharjo.
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and then i came out, mommy move me down sout. Gautam Asaf.
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I for one feel insulted by the insinuation that the symbols and beliefs of my faith are but a mere mockery of the Judeo-Christian delusion. It’s absolutely preposterous, for pastafarianism has CLEARLY been around much longer than Christianity as evidenced in the Open Letter and counting from the time that the FSM (Praise be him!) sends a few pastafarians to the beginning of time in case he has forgotten to do so before.
What is this nonsense about the pirate fish being a dead Christian ichythus? I have neither seen nor heard any indication that the great holy pirate fish being a skeleton was intended to portray Christianity as ‘dead’. It’s just the natural course of things that a sacred pirate symbol would be a skeleton, for every good treasure needs a skeleton to guard it, and there needs be many old bones of fish long since gone to feeding the good ‘lil buccaneers and wenches along with a delicious bowl of pasta. In any case the point of its specific meaning is moot. As pastafarianism came chronologically before Christianity, it could only be the latter that did any mocking. It removed both the holy symbol of a god-beloved pirate–the eyepatch–and destroyed the sign of prosperity and good eating for all man-kind by dressing it back in common fish flesh. Pray, what is to be found divine about a dumb old regular fish?
~Ham no Nox
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