Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute’s Evolution News & Views has posted an article on the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s treatment of the Christmas holiday.
During the holiday season, many Americans take time to seriously and respectfully reflect on Judeo-Christian religious beliefs. Not so for one website, the “Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” (FSM), a pro-evolution satire against intelligent design. They exhibit no interest in treating Christian holidays with respect. To celebrate the season, they are selling Christmas cards which show a dead Christian fish symbol. Other Christmas Cards portray Michelangelo’s well-known “Creation of Adam” painting on the Sistene Chapel, but the FSM cards have God replaced by the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.†Another graphic promoted on the page shows a nativity scene where Jesus is replaced by the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” I can appreciate humor, but it’s also clear that the FSM images are intended to mock traditional religion:
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I disagree with most of what he’s saying – we are no more mocking Christian beliefs than Christians are mocking ours – but it’s still an interesting read.
Read the whole article HERE.
Unfortunately the UK has its share of high-profile Creationists/IDiots. Along with Norman Nevin there is Steve Fuller, as linked in my post on the BBC blog:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/4/8/3523
He was on the pro-ID team in the Dover case. How much worse can it get? We may blame the US for being the source of the ID virus, but it was actually a UK academic who was on the Dover team. Apologies to the Americans for that.
But at least we can keep the religious crowd from claiming they speak on everyones behalf if we make our voices heard (hint, hint, post on BBC blog, this thread in the FSM forum is well taken care of already).
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i love the dover trial. it had a happy ending.
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unfortunatly, we have ass organizations like the discovery institute which hopes to destroy science to appeal to fundies.
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i think the best part of the dover trial was when judge jones III told behe to his face that ID and his idea of irreducible complexity is pure pseudoscience and not recognized at all by the scientific community.
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i also recall he actually called astrology a science
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it’s a shame, i thought lehigh looked like a good college to go to. unfortunatly that’s where behe lives.
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the good thing is that not even the university supports his stupid claims. i wonder what it’s like to be behe, a loser in the scientific world.
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“i wonder what it’s like to be behe, a loser in the scientific world.”
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They get jobs at answers in genesis/ IRC or Discovery, Big bucks to be made if you got a few letters (science degree) to your name and proclaim your support for their interesting ideas. Those loosers are probably raking in way more than any interlectually honest scientist. Selling snake oil is a good business for this crowd.
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At least they’re planning on putting ID in religion class, not science, that way no poor little children will get confused and think it’s what really happened…unless their parents are creasionists…but they’d probably want to home school the kids, keep them away from biology classes etc.
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@wench nikky
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the point of science should not be about money (well, at least not the main goal and focus). most real scientists are interested in exploring the world around them. they don’t seek to be paid by a bunch of rich conservatives who say ‘oh yea, we care about the poor (not really)’. the IDiots use these people to say ’see look, this guy went to college, that must mean ID is correct’. it’s not proving anything really except that they probably went to college. in my view, just because you go to college doesn’t make you a respectable person or even a genius. it just means you graduated from high school and decided to do what most people do.
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if you actually go to college to do something you love, then you have a right to respected.
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Well said jesus christ. RAMEN to that!
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Well said indeed. I’ve known some incredibly stupid graduates, who are very proud of their degree, but don’t have any knowledge of the world outside their study.
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@dutchpastagirl
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it’s funny how the discovery institute likes to advertise the credentials of their followers to make their idea seem just. i don’t see any real scientist doing that. the discovery institute seems really eager to get their ideas to every school in america. it’s funny how it only works when the majority are conservative bible thumpers. why doesn’t it work on the east coast? i guess the east coast is way too liberal. or maybe its because it has less retards than the midwest.
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i also use the term conservative instead of republican. a hard core conservative seems like somebody you really just want to tell to fuck off. a republican is usually pretty balanced. it’s same for democrats and liberals.
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After all this I must poke out a sigh of relief that I live far away from this IDiocy. In Finland, I don’t think that ID had even been MENTIONED in school (let alone elsewhere) and creationism is only a thing that the teacher tells you in religion class as being a part of some silly fairytail in a book too many people take too seriously.
My religion teacher (an atheist, cool, eh?) tells us that “Reading the bible as anything else than a fictional novel with a few added morals is stupid as hell, nad missing the point if the bible itself.” I find this a good way to teach it right. I did once mention FSMism to her, but even though having 3 students in a religion makes it valid to be demanded for classes, FSMism isn’t yet approved to be teached by the goverment here, so me and my poor pirate mates can’t get any FSMism classes here. yet.
Avast yee swabs and RAmen
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Scandanavia must be pretty close to paradise: it is home to Hell (where we should all go according to many fundies) and there are atheist religious teachers! Wow.
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@Saunapirate- wow! that’s so cool. good luck with getting the FSM in there.
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MacIntosh (YEC with profesor title in the UK) is back! He’ll give an interview on BBC radio. The blog that announced the interview is filling up with posts clamouring for critical interview panelists. I hope they do let him face some serious, credible opposition.
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Who will survive?
Mankind or Religion?
Both can’t!
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that doesn’t looks like a christian fish to me…
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@jesus christ Jan 4th, 2007 at 6:24 am
@wench nikky
“the point of science should not be about money”
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My point exactly jesus. I would love to know how much these AIG “scientists’ on the AIG payroll, get paid to support the creation movement. McIntosh is a professor for FSM sake. I wonder if they were pretty useless in their field or just old and looking for retirement money. Then there are probably diploma mill “scientists” in AIGs employ as well. Would be interesting to find out!
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Discovery Institute’s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of modern science and its cultural legacies.
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A sad day for Pastafarians, as Momofuku Ando, the inventor of Instant Noodles (Ramen) died today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-01-06-ando-obit_x.htm
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he is on to a heaven of beer volcanos and a stripper factory
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@Josh Jan 6th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
“A sad day for Pastafarians, as Momofuku Ando, the inventor of Instant Noodles (Ramen) died today.”
His legacy shall live on.
RAmen
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Guys,
There’s more on the usatoday story (posted by Josh) than the BBC story I posted elsewhere.
Including:
“The Momofuku Ando Instant Ramen Museum” opened in 1999 in Ikeda City in western Japan commemorating his inventions.
If the CoFSM has a ‘Mecca’ for pilgrimages, that must be it.
When Bobby gets that boat he’s hankering after I think he should sail to Japan.
It can’t be hard to find, the whole city will look as if it has been badly put together out of chipboard (I think).
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“It can’t be hard to find, the whole city will look as if it has been badly put together out of chipboard (I think).”
ROFL!
Shall we form an “I hate IKEA” support group?!
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Shall we form an “I hate IKEA†support group?!
I prefer ILVA.
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Say what?
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http://www.ilva.co.uk
It’s like Ikea only not quite so crap.
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Not quite as crap as IKEA – somehow you are not selling it to me!
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they have chinese basalt floors. Wow!
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The stuff is nice and better than Ikea but it is still flat pack – hardly up market.
Go to the one near Thurrock Lakeside. The restaurant is nice too.
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I though it was expensive, but I don’t buy much furniture.
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“mock traditional religons”?
And just what makes a religon traditional? What if this was founded first? And Christianity was considered blasphemy by others?
So narrow-minded it makes me sad……
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If you guys at FSM really believe this crap, you’re as crazy as the Christians.
And if you don’t, you’re just being insincere and mocking religion without being brave enough to admit it.
This whole site is ridiculous.
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@Mike
Read the open letter.
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@mike
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learn the meaning of parody. it seems like nobody has a sense of humor these days
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“This whole site is ridiculous.”
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And your point?
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If you guys at FSM really believe this crap, you’re as crazy as the Christians.
CNS:Agreed. But certainly no more crazy.
And if you don’t, you’re just being insincere and mocking religion without being brave enough to admit it.
CNS:I disagree. I thought we were sincere in our mocking of (other) religions. I’m not sure what brave has to do with it. Are the Xians going to do something to us? I thought they were all namby pamby forgiveness-monkeys.
This whole site is ridiculous.
CNS: I’m confused. In the context it sounds like he thinks that’s a bad thing.
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The whole point was explained to him on another thread, he seemed happy enough with the idea over there, wish I could remember which it was though
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The mere fact that the point has to be explained sort of defeats the whole purpose, no? It is like explaining the punchline of a joke. You either got it the first time or it is not very funny. Maybe there should be a humor capacity quiz or something required before entering the sacred Church of The FSM.
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Ahh….a Humour Deficit Disorder dichotomous key!
I believe Nick the Infidel wrote one of those on one of the laughing boy threads. Quite good it was too. Would such an entry requirement provide us with the amount of fun we have now though?
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hahahaha
Agreed!
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@Claprán Jan 8th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Mike seems to be happy in:
http://www.venganza.org/2007/01/07/in-praise-of-an-alternate-creation-theory.htm#comment-35644
That guy takes a seriously long time to understand stuff.
He probably comes up to people days later and says “that was really funny”…
That was at 2:21pm around 4 hours after he made the above comments.
We need to careful of internet time. You don’t always read postings in chronological order between discussion threads.
I wish Bobby would provide access to all postings since date/time X.
Booty would agree, we come back in our evening and you guys have been posting like crazy overnight in the ‘long way from GMT’ timezones.
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Aye Aye Cap’n! (I’ve been waiting to say that for days ;) )
I agree, the times are most confusing, and it takes me ages to try and catch up on what I have missed, and I still think I have missed out on things if they have gone off the “recent comments” bit.
I used to post quite a bit on the “BadMothersClub” site which was a lot easier to navigate, slightly different premis, you could just start a new thread if you wanted, but it was very easy to work out where you left off and catch up.
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@ Captain & Booty – well said. I tried opening different tabs (and keep hoping the RSS feeds will update themselves). In the end I gave up – completely baffled me. Now I do the same as you Booty, recent comments (also open the links in Latest Posts that I’m posting on). Even so.
Captain, was it you that mentioned something about a website crawler? Do you know if Firefox has any plugins for this?
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Hi Alchemist.
As soon as you and I take over the world… er’ I mean are duly stationed as leaders of our countries. We will fix this problem with the website! Agreed?
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I shall be very disappointed if you stop there.
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RAmen to that. Can we liberate beer first?
I wish I was a bit more computer savvy Peter, I thought that RSS feeds updated themselves. Unless I’ve made a balls up, which is quite possible :)
I’m sure I’ve read about a plug in for firefox that allows sites that support it to be searched, can’t find it on mozilla though, I’ll have a look in the developers bit in a bit.
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Dunno, I haven’t looked in to it. Though I am Firefox too as it happens.
I only use IE for my credit card account because it doesn’t fire fox. Dang Nabbit.
You know the basic idea, you provide a web-site and it crawls all the links looking for your key words…
I’m gonna hunt around on the ‘ol web….
I’ll be back later.
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Alchemist Jan 9th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
RAmen to that. Can we liberate beer first?
I wish I was a bit more computer savvy Peter, I thought that RSS feeds updated themselves.
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Ya got me friend? Computer savvy? Heck, I don’t even know what RSS feed, means?
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Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.
Ramen
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“Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.”
We’ve noticed.^_^
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Peter—”Yes on the beer though, I liberate beer every chance I get.”
I’ll drrrrink to that matey!!!
RAmen
CMJK
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Isn’t only liberating beer alchoholist or something? What about all the other poor trapped drinks, we should free them all!
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