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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
@Johnny Corvette Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
“I have to admit many atheist I speak with seem to sound just like Marxists.”
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I am by no way or means a marxist and neither are any of my non-believer (therefore atheist) friends/family/aquaintances. This is the problem with the theistic classification
of all atheists as believers in an atheist dogma. I also do not classify all theists as fundies. I’m talking about your average non-believer being tarred, as following some sort of atheist creed.
Oh I don’t know if Hitler was a devote Catholic.
I don’t attribute attrocities to an atheist midset (whatever it is) any more than a Christian mindset (whatever that is).
I am tied and need sleep….ZZzzzzzz
@Johnny Corvette Dec 28th, 2006 at 11:58 pm
“So what we are saying is that if proof of a divine god emerges - such as a piece of toast with the image of Jesus on it.”
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OK they’ve got me there. (hahaha) I will now devoutly worship Toast as well as the FSM. I mean some other religions have more than one god, right.
RAmen
When it gets unbearable, we go to sleep!
Ok,
Ramen
“some stronger evidence like rivers of fire or some such thing we (me included ) would not believe in God.”
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I believe!! I believer the FSM is god and now I also believe that Toast is a lesser deity, but a deity, none the less.
I’m supposed to be somewhere else as well, Peter. The above discussion topic is by no means a short one and shouldn’t be eaten all in one sitting anyway.
RAmen
Toast! Ain’t no Deity!
Toast is Toast!!!
Ramen
Wench Nikky Dec 29th, 2006 at 12:20 am
I’m supposed to be somewhere else as well, Peter. The above discussion topic is by no means a short one and shouldn’t be eaten all in one sitting anyway.
RAmen
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Ok, Nikkiee.
I’m headed to bed anyway, we’ll catch ya next time around.
G’nite
Ramen
Have I mentioned that the icing FSM looks…. well very Noodley!
Good job. :)
@ Johnny Corvette
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”
from John Toland, Adolf Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507.
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My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognised these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognise more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…and if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
Speech in Munich (12 April 1922)
Fancy finding you over here MJK. I just came back, after reading a new post by Sam Harris on the Dawkins site, talking about non-believers being derogatorily bunched as atheists and the 3 main points of debate between believers and non-believers.
It was just so relevent to the earlier discussion here.
Sam Harris / On Faith
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#3. “Atheism is bad: Rather than argue for the truth of their religious beliefs, or produce evidence that religion is useful, apologists for God often attack atheism as though it were another religion. We are told that atheism is dogmatic, intolerant, irrational, etc. This homily has the virtue of being easy to remember and reproduce—and it now reverberates ceaselessly within the echo-chamber of American religious discourse.”
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2006/12/gods_enemies_are_more_honest_t_1.html
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or since I have trouble sometimes with the Dawkins site links
http://richarddawkins.net/article,466,Gods-Enemies-Are-More-Honest-Than-His-Friends,Sam-Harris–On-Faith
RAmen Sam.
Repost! Problem with links again: Add your own http:// to them!
@Wench Nikky Dec 29th, 2006 at 4:20 am
Fancy finding you over here MJK. I just came back, after reading a new post by Sam Harris on the Dawkins site, talking about non-believers being derogatorily bunched as atheists and the 3 main points of debate between believers and non-believers.
It was just so relevent to the earlier discussion here.
Sam Harris / On Faith
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#3. “Atheism is bad: Rather than argue for the truth of their religious beliefs, or produce evidence that religion is useful, apologists for God often attack atheism as though it were another religion. We are told that atheism is dogmatic, intolerant, irrational, etc. This homily has the virtue of being easy to remember and reproduce—and it now reverberates ceaselessly within the echo-chamber of American religious discourse.â€
newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2006/12/gods_enemies_are_more_honest_t_1.html
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or since I have trouble sometimes with the Dawkins site links:
richarddawkins.net/article,466,Gods-Enemies-Are-More-Honest-Than-His-Friends,Sam-Harris–On-Faith
RAmen Sam
MJK
There was also a post I read on that first forum about what the Pope said reguarding Hitler. Can’t remember the specifics now. But I’ll get a ref to the post tomorrow.
OK so now I am back at work and instead of working I am here again and I am tired. Anyway -
For those keeping score at home –
Theist atrocities: Crusades, Jihad, Nazis (well played MJK), etc.
And for the Atheists: Attila the Hun, Mao, Stalinism, WWI, Pol Pot, the war on Christmas, etc.
I think my point was that it is a silly argument to say theists have caused all the atrocities in history (as Sam Harris and others have) or that atheist have (as so many have).
I like Sam Harris’ writing - I just think he attributes to much bad and not enough good to religion. He seems to want to slam the door on any discussion.
As I have said before “Jesus saves, Esposito scores on the rebound!â€
http://www.jesusoftheweek.com/
Attila the Hun was an atheist?
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I always assumed he was some sort of pagan.
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Harris addresses the argument that atheism as practiced by Hitler and Stalin killed more people than religion. His thesis is not so much that religion is dangerous, evil and must stop being tolerated, as it is irrational beliefs in any system are dangerous and evil. He includes in these latter beliefs fascism and communism.