Excellent satire of the criticisms of religion and Intelligent Design … unless you guys actually think the creation of the FSM and its subsequent religion is a valid critique of religion and Intelligent Design in the form of satire or actual truth for that matter. In that case, try studying and understanding your “opponents†first before attacking. Or maybe this “religion†of the FSM is just a good case of showing that people will believe almost anything (assuming that your church members ACTUALLY believe the FSM to be true). Yet, I very highly doubt that people are QUITE that stupid. Given enough time, they should be eliminated by natural selection anyway.
However, both ways I do enjoy and appreciate the artistic work and creativity you have put into the FSM and its subsequent church. It, as well as the hate mail you receive, is truly hilarious.
It’s a good thing that artistic method isn’t restrained by the scientific method. The religion of the FSM is evidence that art is not restrained by logic.
As an aside, since art is allowed to be taught in school in the form of an art class, the religion of the FSM should be allowed in school as well. Drop me a line if you need help creating a case (I wish I were a lawyer).
Similarly, religion or philosophy would also be considered art if it did not attempt to validly explain the existence of good and evil, reason, and other enigmas of the “human condition.†Art attempts to depict; religion, science, and philosophy attempt to explain in a valid manner.
Nevertheless, I can see how the religion of the FSM could attempt to explore the very concept of validity and its relation to truth. However, in this case, it should also attempt to be more valid itself and satirically examine or disprove science as well in order to be more encompassing and relative in addressing validity, in my humble opinion.
Or the creation of FSM and its religion may be just a load of quasi-artistic BS, in accordance with all gods written in history who were included within and were a part of the universe and describable as natural objects. re: ra (sun-god), poseidon (god of the sea), fsm (flying chunk of spaghetti and meatballs) “may his appendages be honoredâ€
Regardless of the psychology or validity behind the FSM, thank you for the humor, and good luck in continuing to intelligently or not so intelligently (whichever the case may be) evolve the FSM and its religion.
May your God given or unguided evolutionary given ability for creativity and the FSM’s noodly appendage guide you in your never ending search for that natural-selection-created concept of Truth.
CJYman http://cjyman.blogspot.com
I leave with you these three quotes:
“If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”
–C. S. Lewis
“If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents – the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts – i.e., of Materialism and Astronomy – are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.”
–C. S. Lewis
“The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible.â€
–Albert Einstein
@TheLaughingMan
It’s not a meat sac it’s a Spagetti Monster…what the hell is wrong with you?
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My mistake, rather it was in the Science Creative Quarterly. ;)
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Hi Spotted Zebra
A troll is a troll is a troll……
RAmen
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Nikkiee– Ooh, I shall have to check that out…
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@Wench Nikkiee
Ahoy Shipmate! A troll is a troll indeed…but surely even a troll can tell the difference between a meat sac and a flying richly aromatic pasta deity (that we know and love as The Flying Spagetti Monster) who, in his wisdom, created the universe including TheLaughingMan.
Ship’s Cat was ill on the aft deck last night and I’ll wager 5 beers to 3 strippers that the fishy remnants of Ship’s Cat’s dinner has a firmer grip on reality then TheLaughingMan…perhaps the noodley one has sent him to test us
RAmen.
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Wise saying:
‘No brain, no pain and no pain, no gain’
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Ah yes, another Idiot spouting the same tired old ambiguity. Quote-mining is still dishonest. Cherry-picking is not validation by default. Moving the goal posts is just plain silly. But is it art? Since art is open to interpretation by the viewer it actually makes a point—be it at the top of it’s head—and since IDeism is equally open to interpretation since it has no formal theory to work with, I would have to conclude that FSMism is just as scientifically appropriate. By it’s own logic. But then, what do I know, I’m just a smug Pastafarian member of the evilutionist conspiracy.
RAmen
MJK
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Methinks UnLaughingBoy has a crush on you Nikkiee :) (who doesn’t) He desperately begs for your attention and flagrantly attempts to amaze us with his wit at every turn. His own personal thread was no longer sufficient to suit his needs and found the wherewithall to bless us with his presence here. Such a fine contribution to our fine galleon is he. So sad his life is such a catastrophe. May he find refuge aboard our fine vessel. Or not.
Ramen
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I have decided that I’m going to ignore all TLGs’ posts from now on. I may refer to him indirectly and I will eagerly read all his posts as they make me laugh in a David Brent kind of way. I study his form and witlessness in the hope that I can one day mimic such behaviour for comic affect.
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“Unlaughingboy” “TLG” “Troll”… there you guys go with the name calling again. Way to go. I like how you guys have to stoop to Kindgarden attack methods to try and dismiss my points. You people are truly pathetic if name calling is the only way you can disprove my arguments.
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TLM,
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My dad can beat up your dad.
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OEJ
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As an eminent psychologist, I have read all TheLaughingMan’s comments with much interest. I find apparent evidence of strong attention seeking behaviour. This person continually repeats comments made by others as if they are his own missives in an attempt to gain attention. It is not often a psychologist is able to observe such a fine example of this behavior in a real time situation.
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Hail hitler
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u arz fagz sux by bronz baulz u azz fukerz
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gfbib iujbih, i jw jou iwillo iajjd wihwuiqw jbujqjsjkwra opkpk0zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!
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Who are all these unintelligible weirdos, and where do they keep coming from?
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Iz computerz time forz day mentalz inztitutonz
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It is Monday and the school boys are back at it. Pitiful.
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Another thought about validation: it is astounding to me that the IDiots continue to push this idea that without a god to worship that life has no meaning. Why is it that they insist that their life’s validation come from a deity instead of from within their own goodness as a human being? Isn’t the validation more pure if you value yourself rather than trying to please an insatiable exterior force? Throw another virgin on the fire!
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Amusing. The guy states that he isn’t a lawyer, but he tends to write incomprehensibly (is that a word?). It might be amusing to trot over to his blog for more “insight”.
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You’re boring. Stop boring everybody.
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@Wench Nikkiee Dec 17th, 2006 at 3:57 pm (ID is phoney debate about phoney science – to quickly para-phrase you if I may).
I’d love to know how much of this ID guff is the construction you describe – to keep ID as an apparently credible hypothesis by continuing to claim ‘the juries out – look at the debate’ [Fuck that lot] and poor mis-guided individuals who are sucked in by it [I have sympathy].
That’s one of the funny things about the CoFSM they usually come in (like CYMAM here) and go ‘why would anyone be so stupid as to believe this rubbish’ and we try various gentle forms of ‘hello! looked in mirror recently?’
I wish there was an internet smilie for ‘HELLO! McFLY! ANYBODY HOME!’.
RAMen.
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@ TLM
Sanity is boring, why would we wan’t keep something boring when given the option to discard it, even if only for a moment?
Why do you hate Bobby so much for giving us this site? If you’re willing to play, you can have a lot more fun than by just mocking.
If you want to call me an idiot for this, I really couldn’t care less. The main reason you get insulted here is because it is extremely hard to resist the temptation to make many, many snide comments.
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the ‘wan’t’ in my last post was supposed to be ‘want to’, obviously enough, but I do prefer not to have people jumping down my throat too much, it gets awfully hard to breathe
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@moochie Dec 17th, 2006 at 5:58 pm.
It is very common of people to mis-understand pattern.
Members of the general public will select against lottery numbers they consider to be ‘not sufficiently random’ even though all lines have equal chance.
It’s very easy to confuse ‘pattern’ with ‘intent’, ‘consequence’ (outcome) with ‘purpose’ and information with knowledge and/or meaning.
The IDiots romp in with these unambiguous but poorly understood concepts and have a field day usually trying to science it up a bit for colour.
The ID argument is:
1. We couldn’t be here by chance. (We could)
2. Now, come on, DNA and stuff how unlikely and important is that? (Probably not very over time in the right conditions – e.g. Earth)
There’s one of the over 300 proofs god exists I like:
1. Look at the world/universe/this giraffe.
2. Therefore God exists.
That’s it from ID. Whoah guys got a bit excited there! Let’s go back and ask you to resolve the errors of definition, understanding, relevance and interpetation in this mountain you’ve knocked out.
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@ Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA
Creationists seem to have a ’slightly’ different form of English to most of it, the phrase ‘god did it’ in creationist, roughly translates to ‘I don’t know’ in normal English, I say roughly, because, due to the nuances of translation, the ‘I don’t know’ phrase most people use misses out on the underlying tone of ‘there is no way you can change my mind, lalalala’
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@Adolph hitler – hail hitler? I think snow is more likely.
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@ Dr. C. Maglacy Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:45 am
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Stay tuned, you could get a terms worth out of the little nematode.
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who here has the balls to go as hitler???? oh gawd dahm.
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:E Want. To. Respond. To. Witless. Twat. Must. Resist. Urge. Will. Pass. He. Will. Drift. Off. Must. Resist…
Question: Is :E a recognised emoticon for ‘through clenched teath?
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It is now. :-)
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If someone can now tell me what my teath are…
Dang this laptop keyviard-thingy.
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@The Original Poster:
Ohhhhhh….. what a pretentious little art-school asshole you are, aren’t you? Could I be but arsed, I would drag myself down to your crayola-coloured level and have a short sharp word, but I just can’t find the will to do so.
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How about this: we’ll make a deal. You promise to shut the hell up forever, and I’ll graciously let you sign the Letter at http://www.letter2ted.org?
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@everybody else who knows the Davey:
Hello! Too tired to post much lately, and I usually just say the same things over and over again anyway, on account of how the retards tend to dribble the same damn fool nonsense over and over again in the first place. For example:
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@anyone who is left, having subtracted the sum of the above two sets:
In summary:
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1. Evolution is a fact
2. We are cousins of chimpanzees
3. No serious scientist disputes that
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A sing-along version for the hard-of-thinking is available: click my link.
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What was that Davey.
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http://www.letter2ted.org
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Sounds like a good link that http://www.letter2ted.org thing.
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I hope people will at least have a look at http://www.letter2ted.org
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PS Did you hear the news today. The cops have arrested someone for the 5 murders, he has a myspace blog? Haven’t looked at it yet but no doubt will?
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Oh yeah. Looky Looky. Thanks for the reminder Alchemist.
It’s like the “ethical dilemma” of watching Steve Urwin cop it. If it was on a DVD on your mantlepiece it would be watched before the end of Corrie…
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Don’t do soaps, Captain :) As to the Steve Irwin thing. Well, sorry, I didn’t try to find the footage. I thought he was a star and didn’t want to see his last moments. At least he went out doing what he loved! That’s all we can hope for.
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Steve would have been absolutely stoked to go out like that.
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I hope to go out with a beer in one hand and a stripper in the other…then I can get to beer and stripper heaven and really start enjoying the benefits of Pastafarianism.
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RAmen Nikkiee. A big serious RAmen
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Steve was a legend!
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Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Dec 18th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Have you seen this?
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
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Beastly, I have. That’s the one I was refering to.
The ID guy above and in the link are doing no.6 and no.73.
Tee Hee. This is fun. RAMen
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My kids were really cut up when Steve died.
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Not as cut up as he was obviously!
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Cap. eeew? Even I wouldn’t sink that low, well, yes I would but you beat me to it :)
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@Beastly Rich
Great link! How many times have we come across this at CoFSM
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ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
RAmen
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I think they missed a couple – there’s only a few hundred(!)
n. ARGUMENT AFTER KEATS, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (XIII)
(1) Beauty is truth.
(2) Truth is beauty.
(3) Therefore God exists.
n. SELECTIVE SCIENCE ARGUMENT
(1) Take all the scientific evidence that either supports OR undermines the existence of God.
(2) Declare the existence of God is not a scientific proposition and discard the undermining evidence as inadmissible.
(3) Observe that all admissible scientific evidence is in support of the existence of God.
(4) Therefore God exists.
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FSM. Where is the the little pustule aka laughingboy? Sorry Nikkiee but I’m bored and want to play with him. I know we shouldn’t encourage the little spirochaete but what the hell.
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I think he has a thing for you :)
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Please Alchemist, don’t encourage he who shall not be named.
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@Alchemist Dec 18th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Both my mother and one of my dogs have been hit by sting rays. My mother was hit in the hand when she was in her 20s. She said it was the most painful thing she had ever experienced. My dog didn’t say much, but she had an ‘I feel stupid’ look on her face when she came out of the water with the barb sticking out of the flesh of her nose!
The rays come right up to the edge of the water. When the water was calm and clear, this Rhotty, (now deceased of old age) used to chase them, trying to play with them. I’m sure the rays were playing the game with her. They would just shoot off out into deeper water, then after the dog gave up, they would come back into the shallow right in front of her again.
Steve did a hell of a job in getting the kids interested in, and aware or nature.
RAmen
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Nikkiee. Steve’s enthusiasm for nature was gold dust! He wasn’t such an icon in the uk as in Oz. but he was still a household name. He really will be missed. Anyone that can fire the kids interest in the natural world is a total star in my book.
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Let’s hope he’s got the beers in for us when we arrive.
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This guy is fantastic. I haven’t laughed so much for weeks!
Please PLEASE come back soon CJYman
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