Take a look at some of the hate mail on this site…some people actually have said it ruined their lives because their friends have believed in this stuff, and yes in fact I do know a girl who told me about this, and yes, she does belive in this stuff, with all of her heart. I don’t think that you people take into consideration that not everyone is the brightest crayon in the box and people will believe in anything they’re told..it’s a fact of life. I mean…I’m all for fun and games and joking around…but there really is a point of taking it to far. I mean…come on…look at what you’re doing in your spare time…it kind of depresses me.
-Jacob
Yeah, dude, that sure makes me want to go running back into the hypocritical embrace of the Christian church. It’s almost enough to make me regret the hundreds of gray-matter building hours I’ve spent debating relevant theo-political issues on this site. But not really. I personally have lost a friend over my affilitaion with FSM-ism, and my veiw is that if you are closed-minded enough to relinquish a friendship because you disagree with what people belive, fuck you. I don’t go around telling my Catholic friends to give up Jesus and become an agnostic- that would just be stupid. And, frankly, insulting to my friends, though I find their religion just as ridiculous as you appear to find mine.
~W.A.
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By the way, there is a word for people who blindly do what they are told and belive what is said to them- Fundamentalist Christians. Actually, that’s two words, proving that I’m smarter than the folks you apparently think are being duped by Bobby Henderson.
~W.A.
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RAmen, W.A., Ramen.
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@Jacob:
yes, people sadly will believe what they’re told, often without question. this is why otherwise perfectly sane young men will strap semtex to themselves and commit suicide with the intention of taking as many down with them as possible. it’s the reason why religious fundamentalism is so damned prolific and why arguments from authority cause so much trouble in the world.
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the point of FSM is to show just how absurd the notion of unquestioning belief really is. if people choose to believe this literally, then that’s their problem, but the vast majority of us see FSM for what it is: an ingenius piece of satire, which successfully shows the utter foolishness of belief without evidence. And just to agree with werefox here, the FSM does provie people with a forum for discussion of relevant theophilosophical and political issues. it just does so in a fun way.
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Praise FSM! This brings tears to my oar hole. I love to hear about the salvation of others brought to the bright beacon of our beloved Flying Spaghetti Monster. May they have an eternity of beer and strippers. I am weeping with happiness of this story of a girl’s faith. Bless you. And, Jacob, there is room for you too here under the umbrage of his noodly appendages. Please think about it. But, alas, I do not convert, I pervert.
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Just like my mother used to say – It’s all good fun until someone loses an eye.
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I wonder if your friend actually does believe in this with all her heart or just tells you about it to take the piss out of your humour deficit disorder.
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You fail to take into account the reasoning behind FSMism & its purpose in showing how ridiculous the intelligent design advocates look.
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Seems that you may have a couple of shingles missing from the roof yourself.
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Metaphors For Stupidity (a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, a tree short of a forest, etc)
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Jacob is depressed huh? Find comfort in the embrace of the noodley appendage, rum, fellow scallywags and sailing…poor little jellyfish!
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I’m with Werefox Alchemist (nice name btw) there.
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Jacob. I can’t speak for anyone but myself.
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I don’t think any of the main posters would want you, or anyone, to ‘believe’ in this.
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I truly hope that nobody mistakes this site for a serious religion?
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@Jacob
What do you believe in? Have you lost any friends over your belief. Has what you believe in ever ruined anyones life.
No? Doesn’t sound like you really believe. sounds like you are just following along and mumbling the words. Dig a little deaper brother and show us the love.
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@ Jacob, That breaks my heart dude! About the friend of yours, ruining her life and all that!
That sucks bro! I’m sorry, not! Maybe your friends parent (s) should pay closer mind to her computer usage, at least until she’s old enough to decipher things for herself?
That’s what I suggest anyway.
And oh yeah, could I interest you in some miracle water? It’s on sale at the moment.
Ramen
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“nd yes, she does belive in this stuff, with all of her heart.”
And why shouldn’t someone it is no more stupid than christianity, not that anyone who hasn’t been made up does the fact they think we would beleive someone beleives this is testament to their own stupidity.
and what does btw mean?
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Good link Peter. Er… that miracle water that you have for sale?
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Can it rid me of childish superstitions? Or can I ask Santa for a small Pacific island for my Xmas present?
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@Peter Popoff
Does that miracle water of yours cure stupidity.
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Rodger the cabin boy Dec 7th, 2006 at 4:48 pm
@Peter Popoff
Does that miracle water of yours cure stupidity.
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My miracle water cures EVERYTHING! That’s the miracle of it… I witnessed as it cured poverty in my own backyard… Buy one get six free…
Get your water here…
Ramen
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@Jacob:
You wrote that we don’t “take into consideration that not everyone is the brightest crayon in the box”. Is it really necessary to demand that ideas are made so simple that everyone can get them? It seems like a bit much to ask.
Allow me to explain by way of comparison: Intelligence and the ability to laugh at jokes are but facets of a person, as is the ability to see color. Telling Bobby Henderson to abandon or dumb down the joke is similar to telling Pablo Picasso to paint in black and white so that the colorblind can appreciate the art, or telling Beethoven to make his symphonies have only one note so that the tone deaf can hear it for all it’s worth.
It might be a good idea to post a disclaimer to avoid the very issue that you’re bringing up and to make sure that no one who sees the website gets offended, but it is not in anyone’s place to make the demand.
Furthermore, even if people do take Pastafarianism seriously, is that so terrible? It’s a religion that teaches peace and tolerance and doesn’t try to foist its dogma on others. If people are willing to believe in the FSM, doesn’t that show that they wanted to believe in something? Mightn’t they have believed in another god had the FSM not been there? Overall, I’m not sure that we’re doing much harm.
I do try to keep an open mind, so I will still be listening to your point of view, but I have not yet been persuaded to abandon my own.
-Avatar of Reason
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By the way, Rodger, “btw” means “by the way”.
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@Alchemist Dec 7th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
“I truly hope that nobody mistakes this site for a serious religion?”
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Alchemist, what are you saying? We’ve worked so hart to get CoFSM recognised as a true religion. According to Laughingboy, we seem to have made cult status and so being considered a “real religion” (whatever the hell that is) is surely only a small step away?
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See, back in the days of “survival of the fittest” and Darwinian competition, those who weren’t “the brightest crayon in the box” were simply eaten by something larger. I fully subscribe to this method of population thinning. I really don’t think one should cater to the weak-minded. There are much harder things this girl is going to have to field than satire – like high school for example.
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@OOM
Thank you
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@Avatar of Reason
“to make sure that no one who sees the website gets offended”
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When you visit a site, you have a choice of, going into and exploring the site, or just moving on, I don’t think that is the responsibility of the CoFSM. If a disclaimer is to be posted at our online church, then I would have to request that all sites supporting the christian god do likewise, so as that I am not offended, if I should happen upon such a site.
Fair?
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Nikkiee -re your last post- does that scare you as much as it does me?
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@Jacob
“Take a look at some of the hate mail on this site…some people actually have said it ruined their lives…….
……but there really is a point of taking it to far.”
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Let’s see.. does that mean that, if I start writing mail to evangelical sites about how they have ruined peoples lives with their indoctrination of ignorance, they will back off and stop taking it too far?
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Well, truly it is impressive that all of these young folks are here interacting. But, it is also a bit worrisome that some of these kids may not get the joke. But, what the hell, a lot of adults don’t get it either. Stupid is as stupid does. No, wait — I take that back. Humor challenged is as humor challenged does.
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It seems to me that statistically speaking, ANY idea, no matter how outrageous, silly, or whatever, will be totally, unquestionally believed by some, and universally loathed by others… the bell curve works like that.
With that in mind, the vast majority of people will not be harmed in any way, but thanks to the IDEA behind FSMism, hopefully a great number of people will be helped, if only to think just a little bit more about their beliefs before pressing them on others.
In this regard, I don’t think those who would criticize FSMism have a leg to stand on… not without being hypocrites, of course. I mean, Crusades, anyone? If FSMism breaks a few friendships, that’s unfortunate, but hey, at least it won’t start a Holy War somewhere, right?
Anyways, that’s my two cents.
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“some people actually have said it ruined their lives because their friends have believed in this stuff, and yes in fact I do know a girl who told me about this, and yes, she does belive in this stuff”
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So it wasn’t the people who joined FSM that had their lives ruined, but in fact their (presumably) Christian friends that got ruined lives? I submit that the problem was not FSM (which teaches tolerance for other religions), but in fact the other religion (presumably Christianity) which teaches intolerance. That is why the people whos lives were ruined were not the Pastafarians, but the Christians.
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As a pastafarian, I’m glad that this girl chose my religion because it teaches peace and tolerance instead of hate. As an atheist, I’m also glad she chose FSM, because most other religions (like christianity and islam) distort a person’s natural moral values and turn them into immoral people by putting importance on things like faith, bigotry, and celibacy, and reducing the value of real morals like respect and chivalry. If she chooses FSM now, if she later chooses to become an Atheist in the future, her innate morality will still be intact.
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So believe away! It’s much better than the alternatives!
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/she does belive in this stuff, with all of her heart./
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I knew there was something I missed in that post.
I too believe in this stuff, with all of my heart too, also!
Beer volcanoes kick ass! Hey, I think I found the disclaimer, someone wanted.
It’s in the many, many summaries of the CoFSM, it’s that part about the beer volcanoes, and the stripper factories and the pirates!
Damn I’m sharp!
Ramen
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It would if I didn’t think people like laughinboy were the minority or that suggestions such as jacobs were anything but some sort of high moral grandstanding. I know some people will literally believe in anything they are told, but I really see it as pot calling kettle here. Also there are a lot worse things than the CoFSM, that the gullible could be coerced into following. Example, some of the cults mentioned on the RUN!!! thread or an evngelical christian religion!
RAmen
ps must get back over to RUN thread to see if the Kool-Aid has arrived yet ;)
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Jacob,my friend…seriously get a grip.Pastafarianism is an idea,just like art,just like any other religion.By itself an idea is neither good or bad.Experiencing ideas of all kinds is the only way to open the mind and to bring ourselves closer to understanding our fellow man and the universe around us.Humans make ideas good or bad,some people do bad things because they had an idea,while others have bad things done to them because of an idea that they hold dear.But in order to truly understand everything you have to believe that every idea has some intrinsic value,simply because it adds something to us all as people.Even ideas like persecuting people who have a certain set of beliefs can add to us.While they can teach us hate and bigotry they can also teach us patience and love.And let’s face it,if things like hate didn’t exist,would we really value love so much.
That being said…It’s a flying spaghetti monster,all right.While I do believe in the FSM as my god of choice and proudly;anyone who believes in ANY religion,to the point where it ruins their life probably has serious issues beyond believing in the Great Noodly One. If you lost a friend because you believed in the FSM and you didn’t do anything to drive them away,then they obviously weren’t very good friends were they.And if someone isn’t the ‘brightest crayon in the box’,so what?Should we stop the flow of ideas and become as mindless as the computer I’m typing one just because someone might come across an idea that they’re unable to handle.Or perhaps we should lock certain people away where they don’t ever have to come across an idea that might turn them into that isn’t ’society approved’.
The people here like this idea,whether they take it as a serious religion or not.I’m sure we all feel sympathy if something like this has really happened to someone.But you can’t blame the idea for what some people do with it.And you can’t keep people from encountering ideas without taking something very special from them.
Put succintly…it’s not the religions fault,get over it.
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Im confused where is the hate mail hat states that Pastafariansim ruined someone life?
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I’ll take that as a yes then?
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RAmen
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@ Questioner, Ummm, you just replied to it.
Ramen
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I think jacob may have been referring to rebecca’s ’stolen’ mate. I’ll see if I’ve got a link to the post in “History” tab.
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@Wench Nikkiee:
I was trying to say that, as a gesture of kindness to those who visit the site, it might be okay to put up such a disclaimer, but I was not demanding or even requesting it. I, just like you, neither think that people have the right to demand that they do not get offended, nor do I consider it our problem if they do. I think we both agree, but that I didn’t phrase my point eloquently enough. Sorry for the confusion.
-Avatar of Reason
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‘captured’ not stolen!
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you’re a complete idiot.
http://www.venganza.org/2006/11/29/youre-a-complete-idiot.htm
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Disclaimer……….
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Parents! Watch your children!
Stupid people! Stop breeding! And don’t look at this website!
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Could someone run that by Bobby?
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Sad teenage angst. I remember that. Barely.
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Aargh! Those teenaged years. May FSM strip my memory of them!
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When I hear stories of people actually believing in FSM it makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Allow me to explain why. As I’m sure most of you reading this already know, FSM was created as a satire to mock the teaching of the pseudo-science of intelligent design in schools. Never was it intended to become an actual faith or religion. In fact, this would contradict the very spirit of FSM. There is absolutely no evidence that the world was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster, just as there is no evidence that the universe was created in seven days by an omnipotent narcissist with an agenda. Granted, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but considering that there are much more logicaly sound theories of how the earth came to be, it becomes obvious that neither the Flying Spaghetti Monster, nor the narcissist exist.
The point is this: Actually believing in FSM is as idiotic as believing in any other religion that requires blind faith and answers questions with more questions and eventually burns you at the stake for being a witch. One can adhere to the ideals of FSM: peace, love, beer, etc., but as soon as people start truly believing that they someday will actually be touched by a noodly appendage, they begin a downward spiral towards the same fundamentalism present in Christianity and Islam. Besides, a flying spaghetti monster? You’d have to be retarded to believe that!
RAmen,
Optimus Prime
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@Avatar of Reason
No need for an appology. I enjoy your posts immensely as they are well written and well thought. :)
My post wasn’t so much at you, as it was at the concept generally. Your post just reminded me of how the christian types (all pious religious types) expect a separate set of rules to pertain to them.
RAmen.
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Optimus Prime, I am saddened and depressed by your post. Really, really depressed. How many crayons do you have to swallow before this horrible depressing life on this barren planet ceases? I will deem to find out.
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Optimus Prime Dec 7th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
” but as soon as people start truly believing that they someday will actually be touched by a noodly appendage, they begin a downward spiral towards the same fundamentalism present in Christianity and Islam. Besides, a flying spaghetti monster? You’d have to be retarded to believe that!”
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Hey, if I wasn’t retarded, I’d take offense to that!
Want to buy some water?
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@Optimus Prime
“Actually believing in FSM is as idiotic as believing in any other religion that requires blind faith”
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Maybe, but believing in The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn’t.
RAmen
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@Wench Nikkiee:
I’m very glad you like my posts. I have not been posting here for very long, although I have been coming to the site regularly to watch you all bashing fundamentalists’ ill-thought arguments. I vicariously enjoyed it and hope to get to bash them myself in the future.
-Avatar of Reason
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@ Optimus Prime -
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Don’t worry, I read your post the right way. Yes – may it never become a cult.
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@Optimus Prime
Besides, a flying spaghetti monster? You’d have to be retarded to believe that!
RAmen.
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Re: One Oared Marc Dec 7th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
“Optimus Prime, I am saddened and depressed by your post.”
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Oops, now some of our own fundies have taken your post to heart ;)
Please be gentle on/with them.
RAmen
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Oh, and Jacob, we’re the really cool people that you aren’t allowed to hang out with in high school. And yes, Johnny C, that is an atheistic holier than thou statement.
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@Avatar of Reason
I haven’t really read many of your posts? I don’t think anyway?
But if Nikkiee says your Ok, I’ll give you a pass this time.
However, there is no need for a “disclaimer” on this website.
My thought is this; as I’ve already stated, if you don’t know what your getting into, when you come to this site. Then you shoudn’t be here, and you should leave.
Much like I don’t know how to fly a jet, I won’t try to fly a jet.
Ramen
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Just to chip in, I reckons ZzzDJ got it bang on right (Dec 7th, 2006 at 5:24 pm).
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If you’re worried that there are millions of people believing various nonsensical things, but aware that that there are some things so mad that no one believes them, then the way to point out the problem is to try to fill in the rungs on the ladder between the two. For a large number of people, the FSM is daft enough to be impossible to believe in*, but similar enough to existing religions to point out their daftness. So, for lots of people, the FSM forms part of a helpful thought-based antidote to religion.
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Sure, some people were already sceptical enough to be many rungs higher up than the FSM (many of them are here, playing along to help out the whole enterprise). But others, I suppose, may be a few rungs further down in the real depths of credulity where even the Invisible Pink Unicorn looks like something worth a few prayers on a Sunday morning.
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The FSM will help a lot of people of somewhere around average credulity to question bollocks faiths. There’ll be some people whom it won’t help. That doesn’t mean you blame the FSM, any more than you’d blame an exam paper for the failure of a small number of people to pass it. Maybe those people would have been better off on a simpler exam paper – and maybe your friend, Jacob, needs something even more mind-bogglingly impossible than the FSM to prick their scepticism gland. (Try the infamous orbital teacup. Or try to convince them that you yourself are omniscient. Bet that’ll do it.)
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*Pastafarians, I will flagellate with penne** as penne-ance, I promise ye.
**Y’up for that, Penne?
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screw that…in my spare time i masterbate…. i mean in this religion it’s allowed!!!
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wait a second… so the fsm is just satire? there’s really no monster? i’m ruined!
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