Dear Mr. Henderson,
I have noticed that you have started this thing called Pastafarianism. Â I
would like to start off the first of a long list of complaints, by simply
stating that that pun is horrible. It’s not even creative. Â Way to be
original… not. Â Second of all… you guys claim that Pirates are your
followers, and that nobody has ever killed anybody in the name of the FSM.
While… looking back on History I happen to find that the history of
Pirates is filled full of rape, murder, and pillaging. Â This is probably the
point where you say “that’s what they want you to think” but this is also
the point where I point out that no noodly meat sac in the sky ever rewrote
history to say that Blackbeard was a cheery fellow who spread joy to others.
To think that some noodle thing in the sky rewrote history is just pure
ludacris. Â Also, why is it a Spaghetti monster? Â Don’t you find that a
little biased towards Italians. Â I don’t appreciate your bias. Â If you are
going to continue with your charade, please choose a God that represents
more people than just a minority of people in Europe. Â Your idea for
intelligent design isn’t very well thought through. Â I respect your idea to
mock the Kansas school board, but what I don’t respect is that you dragged
other people into this farce by stating you actually believe this nonsense.
Look at it, really look at it, and think to yourself if you really want
people to back these wildly imaginative ideas of yours. Â If you think you
should… then it’s probably time you stop and consult your local therapist.
I’m not a Christian either, in fact I’m Aetheist. Â My way of thinking is
that if there really was a God… why would he be so dumb as to make people
who actually believe a giant flying noodle made the earth? Â In the long run,
I would appreciate it if you proclaimed this whole thing to be a farce so
that your horribly nerdy followers could get over themselves and go back to
having what little lives they had in the first place. Â If you choose however
to keep up this ploy, I would have to ask that you make your God less biased
towards Pirates and Italians.
Thank You,
TheLaughingMan
RAmen Marc
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RAmen Mad John
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To suggest that Jebus is the only savior of humanity is blindly arrogant. Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, and yes, even Muslims have found peace in their lives without ever knowing of the zombie on a stick. Now, we followers of the FSM have found our own one true path to fulfillment in our lives. No one has exclusive rights to that path, one must wander the dark forest alone to find it. Hopefully, when you come out the other side you will find others who share and understand your experiences and welcome you with open arms.
RAmen
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@Re-Oared Marc
‘religion will only be a temporary crutch. The next thing you know you will be doing crystal meth and getting blowjobs from male hookers while your wife bakes cookies for the children.’
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hahahahaha
RAmen
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Hii Dee Hooo everybody! :)
I’m just “popping” in from my holiday.
My Rapier is wiggling, for it senses a fundie, in the guise of shakazulu.
Though it could be wrong, for it’s only wiggling a little bit. It has however informed me Cutlass. We’ll see I reckon!
At any rate, I wanted to say hi to all, and hope you all enjoyed the holidays! I sure did!
Well back to teaching me daughter some more evil! If I don’t teach her, who will?
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And don’t forget to get your… Jesus Christ Almighty… Mighty Miracle water…
All in the name of the Lord… For sure… http://www.peterpopoff.org/
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Peace and Love all,
Ramen
P P
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@Re-Oared Marc: Confession and penance forgives everything, didn’t you know.
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Since nobody seems to have quoted her, I will: Mammy Yokum once said (and in so doing, exceeded the output of several millenia of theologians and moral philosophers): “Good is better than evil, mainly because it’s nicer.” Apologies if that isn’t quite right….
May all your New Years be blessed by the Noodliness that only He can give.
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think about things from my perspective before you call me blindly arrogant. it is just as easy for me to say that about all of you. but instead what i asked for was answers. it is just as easy for me to call you blindy arrogant for turning your backs in the truth, of the lord and savior. but you dont see it from my eyes. think before you throw ridiculous insults at me.
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@ shakazulu
Forgive me, me intent was not to insult you but to prove a point. I have thought about things from your perspective and that is why I said what I did. I have studied those other religions I mentioned as well. Did you read the rest of my post? What makes your truth, of your lord and your saviour any more valid than any other, including FSM? In a word, dogma. Pastafarians are taught to reject dogma, according to the Gopsel. We will defend ourselves when attacked, but reserve the right to change our beliefs in the light of new evidence or as the result of a greater understanding of the previously known. Our rejection of dogma leaves open the possibility that there is no FSM. All you have to do is prove it. This is the difference. Does that answer your questions?
RAmen
MJK
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@ mad john,
it just blows me away, to a point of a head ache to think that all of this world, everything we see, could just plain exist. i have sought out to find a meaning in this life, and i have found it through God, Jesus Christ, and the bible. the things of this world are much to intricate to just have happend. everything from the sun shining, to the most basic forms of life are too intricate. even the things we call simple are much too complicated for me to understand and even give credit to outside of a creator. and to think that this creator who made absolutley everything from the sun and the moon to the fish in the sea loves me so much that he would come down to this earth, and die the most degrading death so that i might one day share enternity with him blows me away even more. thats my take on life. i hope that answers some questions too.
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@shakazulu
So you don’t mind if we have our own beliefs then do you? What I meant to ask is “you don’t have a problem with anyone here not believing in the god/jeesus, that you believe in do you”?
BTW MJK, if you read this, there may be a live one on “read the book throughly”
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@ shakazulu
I am happy that you have found peace with your maker, but my question is why is it so difficult to understand that what works for you doesn’t always work for everyone. Please don’t make the mistake of believing that without god there is no meaning. Personally, I find meaning in life by observing and understanding the natural world. It doesn’t judge. It doesn’t hate. It doesn’t call anyone names. It does just exist. And I find beauty in that. Whether or not there is an almighty creator makes no difference. The system works. Life will on. And what happens after? Well, that is the great mystery, isn’t it?
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its not so much that i dont mind as it is heart breaking. the amount of intellect that i see on this website is crazy. some of your minds thinks in ways i only wish i could. the reason i say heart breaking is because, like i said, i believe in jesus, and i believe that he wants to share in on a personal relationship with each one of us on this earth. so wench nikky, its not so much that i dont mind that you all dont believe in my jesus as it is heart breaking. i have just come to terms with the fact that there is nothing i can say to any of you that would change your minds, or more importantly your hearts when it comes to christ. he is the only one who can do that. all i can do is pray for you and hope that one day we can see things on the same level. thats where im at. just remember guys that whether you know it or not, someone loves you more than you could ever imagine.
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@ Nikky
Yeah, I saw that doughboy post. Decided to ignore it. Bored with that ilk.
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@ shakazulu
Like I say, I am happy for you but please don’t mistake that our lives are any less meaningful. I appreciate that you care so much about us, but we have chosen another path. A path that is just as meaningful to us as yours is to you. And in that respect we do see things on the same level. So peace be with you and yours and try not to worry about us so much, we’ll be just fine.
RAmen
MJK
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@ shakazulu– I don’t doubt that your post was made in good faith, but PLEASE don’t pray for me. As a non-Christian that always rubbed me the wrong way, really. How ’bout donating to a charity or something instead?
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I have all of two seconds to type this so ignore any typos: you seem like a very well-meaning, sincere person. The only thing you’re not getting is that whether you sees it as heart breaking or not, there will always be people who do not subscribe to your religion and are just as happy for it. Think about it, would Jesus, if he was walking around today all of a sudden, mind the different religions, or just be glad that people were doing their best through ANY–or no–religon at all to be decent human beings? For a guy who’s all about love, I find it hard to believe he would hate the millions of people who might not worship him alone. Maybe that’s just me?
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Shaka,why does he need our love? is he insecure? if he’s the supreme being what difference does it make if i believe in him?
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i endorse what gill has already said. you are clearly a well meaning person, but for the love of pasta THINK! you have a brain, it’s taken billions of years to get the right situation in which it can evolve please use it. examine the evidence. it is just as painful to every pastafarian to see a potential pirate fall to superstition. the majority of people here are good people. not because there’s some cosmic threat against them if they’re bad – but because they simply choose to be. isn’t that nobler than anything any religion has ever come up with? so please keep your prayers i don’t need them. i don’t wish to be churlish, but use the time to better effect. maybe read a book, bake some pasta, enjoy some grog, make a pirate happy. whatever, but decide it for yourslef and not because some ineffable intangiable superstition says so
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happy new year!
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It’s not biased towards Italians, they were just one of the groups who had the insight to create pasta to worship FSM. As for pirates, pirates are obviously so blessed for choosing the FSM approved lifestyle. Anyone can be a pirate, and therefore be blessed, so there is no bias there anyway. And yes, history was rewritten, the pirates went into hiding, thus allowing history to portray them as bad people, when this is obviously not true.
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“Shaka,why does he need our love? is he insecure? if he’s the supreme being what difference does it make if i believe in him?”
heres where the fun part starts. he doesnt need our love at all. he doesnt need us to love, or believe or worship, or anything. to say that god needs anything from us is denying his supremecy as existing as god. god WANTS our love because we are his children, his creation. look at the way a parent loves its child.
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@ shakazulu
I see what you are saying and i honor it. But let me give you and all the other peole a different approach to how i look at my walk through life:
It is unargueable that we all follow somebody in our lives. Even if we are rebelling against culture in general we are following the footsteps of somebody who has already done that. We often times take a humanist approach to life and take what we want form the logic that comes from other people and our upbringing, and apply it to ourselves. A long time ago i had a very difficult time accepting that there was no ultimate maker. So i went on a journey. A lot of us are too afraid to ask ourselves the questions of ‘why’ and how?’ And even if we do face these questions we rarely ever fully come to a conclusion that leaves us comfortable and ‘faith-abundant.’ Where we place our faith is entirely up to us. However you do not have to be a Christian to do it. If you follow the trend of evolution then you put your faith in that. If you follow Buddha, then you put your faith in that. What i have accumulated is this: There is unargueable an ultimate creator. I base this solely on the concept of human emotion. You cannot scientifically explain it fully. Understanding this i began to study different religions. In this study i found deep in my soul i knew that we were created for something bigger than ourselves. And when i discovered and read about the God of the old testament which prophecied the coming of Jesus Christ i was taken by the beauty and suggestion implicated in the text. If you study and know who Jesus Christ is and what he has done (and is doing) you cannot make a justifieable arguement against him as a person. You can argue his God-ness. But you cannot deny his genuine heart. He lived for other people just as i longed for. So i decided to base my lifestyle off of his teachings. I find that his message leaves no holes and bears a message that i could not fully find elsewhere in any one person.
BC
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When I’m dead, and it’s allover. They will never say… Damn that Peter rambled on…
Ramen
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let me clarify on the term “trend.” I didn’t mean it apply primarily to evolution. I mean any religion at all. Especially Christianity. I almost despise the label of Christian because the real meaning has been lost over the years and is not becoming what most religions have become. “traditional.” Evolution requires as much if not more faith than other beliefs which is why i consider it a religion. So don’t take it personal please. I admire the challenging mindset all of you bloggers have. Its about time people started using the gift of thought and knowledge to understand. Knowledge should not be gained to attain power. I encourage all of you to keep on asking and keep on seeking.
to Gill.
I completely know what you are saying about the concept of doing good in general. There is a long theological discussion we could dive into on that but i would rather do it on an email based conversation that blogg. Its a great question.
“REAL religion is no religion at all.”
~Lauryn Hill.
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The time is now… now’s the time… blank blank… sing my song…
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“Evolution requires as much if not more faith than other beliefs which is why i consider it a religion.”
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You lost me with that statement!
I wouldn’t consider thousands of empiracally proven testable hypotheses, supporting evolutionary theory, as religion would you? Sounds more like science to me. You know science? Maybe just a bit even? Doesn’t take any faith to accept the supporting results of numerous and repeated scientific experiments. Real scientists do that whether they like the results or not. It’s those who believe literally in genesis of the that book they read, who won’t even look at the results because they don’t like them.
Science: No believe required, just facts!
Perhaps you should find out a little more before deciding that evolution is a religion.
Question what you have been told if indeed, your belief is so right and strong.
I guess it would be too much to ask for a little objectivity? Yes, not a christian trait I know. Just believe, that’s all.
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evoultion a faith? (dull thud of head on desk) forgive the length of this post but i figured the best way to help you was to cut and paste from the dictionary here. pay particular attention to the first definiton of both terms…( as for evidence the british natural history museum hold 8 million fossils, every one a piece of evidence, and thats just a start…)
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re·li·gion (rÄ-lÄj’É™n) Pronunciation Key
n.
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1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
sci·ence (sÄ«’É™ns) Pronunciation Key
n.
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1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I’ve got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
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Let’s see if I got that.
I believe (have faith) with zeal, (zealistically perhaps?) that those who call the science of evolution, a religion, have not observed/identified the disciplined (methodological) study (enquiry) of the science of natural phenomena has been applied to the theory of evolution ( a scientific theory).
I have a concientious devotion (religion) to this belief, due to my knowledge, gained through experience with those who believe that evolution is a system of beliefs.
RAmen
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yep
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or the main difference i can find is that a scientific theory can be changed with a piece of evidence.
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to change a religious belief you’ve got to kill a whole lot of people….
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Keep in mind religion has many definitions. One of which being:
“Religion is the adherence to codified beliefs and rituals that (generally) involve a faith in a spiritual nature and a study of inherited ancestral traditions, knowledge and wisdom related to understanding human life. The term “religion” refers to both the personal practices related to faith as well as to the larger shared systems of belief.”
~wikipedia
also @ encarta:
a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by
i only posted those to explain why i consider it a religion.
Now about the science. Science is a great explanation for many great things. I’ve studied and researched my fair share (minutely accumulated) of of science. Even though i am not quite familiar with what an “empirically proven testable hypothesis” (seeing that a proven hypothesis is no longer a hypothesis), i am still willing to question why you do not see the faith involved in the belief in evolution. I cannot deny its realism seeing that culture’s have evolved as has intelligence, however i can’t help but question the missing links and the ever so familiar ‘Big Bang THEORY.’ Perhaps i’m not up to date with the current scientific breakthroughs. There are facts in science yes but there are also many in the belief in a God. If there is anything that you know is fact that fully explains creation from start to finish point me in that direction because i would like to read up on it.
The purpose of science is to explain the world and to expand the possibilities. If you believe that science has proven evolution then you still believe that. Even if something is fact you still have to believe it.
And i do not question what i have been told. I understand what i understand because i have and am questioning. I don’t claim to be right i just claim to believe in something different. I never once said my belief’s were right.
Regardless there will always be questions in everything. We may not live long enough to see something be proven 100%. Like i said, i don’t claim to be right. I just decided to believe someone who wasn’t a scientist.
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@ spider.
sad…but true…i chuckled…
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i’ll agree with most of what you say there. BUT, I cannot stop myself getting frustrated when supposedly intelligent being make the leap of “God did it” from being unable to admit “we don’t know”. Although very little can ever be proved 100%, God hasn’t been proved to 1% as far as i can see.
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Science has never claimed to have all the answers, unlike most religions. I entirely fail to see why religion is supposed to be exempt from citisism or questioning. I see very little of merit in it, and the defence of it on grounds “it doesn’t do any harm” is blatantly absurd. Tolerating it provides a sliding scale of superstition upon which it is all to easy for extremists to exploit. They simply follow their faith they claim, so if one is allowed to why not all?
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I may have mentioned this before. Religion has no place in a civilised society and i will continue to mock anyone who belives this nonsense.
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As Peter Poppoff stated on anoyher thread earlier”arguing with blind faith is, well like arguing with blind faith.”
Think I’ll skip back over to the YEC/ID “science” discussion that has progressed well past the indroductory stage.
Gurrh! How many times do you have to show these people the facts? Why can’t you all educate yourselves a little before heading into this sort of discussion.
The only people who want to discuss this have, without fail, no comperehension of the tenets of evolutionary theory. I feel all the same old proposals coming on. If I had time
I would lay them out myself. (I am that familiar with them). I think I am going save myself a lot of time, by writing all of the standard ideas proposed by YECs/IDiots,along with the responses and keep it handy for times such as this.
Gurr… and they wonder why they get ridiculed.
Although BC, you could possibly interest me in a discussion if you have some knowledge of current molecular and genetic bilogical research?
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There is an epidemic that i think has grown past science and past the Bible, Qur’ran, Torah etc…Its in the minds of the people who sign themselves up under each one and refuse to do any research on the others (most of the time the one they pick). I know you probably dislike the pairing of science with those but please bear with me. Its an odd balance with God. Its as nowadays every little bit that science cannot prove is another arguement for apologetics everywhere.
“we don’t know.”
nobody knows. Thats it. Scientist or religous fanatic alike. There is no sound proven fact behind how and why we are on this planet.
there is only theory.
And to say that religion has no place in civilised society is a bold statement. People will always want more and always seek something bigger than themselves. The theory of evolution uses the concept of science. But God boasts something evolution cannot. The idea of God (in most religious beliefs) explains thought and explains emotions. Most religions teach peace and suggest kindness and respect. To say this has no place in society might not be proper. Considering almost every human law and moral we have today is derived from some belief ancestors developed from the religion they follow. If you research you’ll find much merit in many different beliefs.
i like the question of “if one, why not all?” I like it because there is no answer. i can’t explain it and i don’t think science can either.
But once again, i admire your boldness. You got me to use the word religion which was a challenge for most. i hate the word entirely but for this little tid bit i used it quite a lot. Interesting topics on this blog. Are most of the people on this blog actively involved in scientific at laboratories? or just news and research junkies? A lot of intelligent points. and a lot of childish ones as well…but for the most part very needed nowadays.
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@ wench nikky
I know a small amount about molecular and genetic biological research. But i’m not about to lie and say i have a PhD. I’ve read a few articles but nothing more than the average person who watches animal planet would if they were really taken by a good episode.
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“Are most of the people on this blog actively involved in scientific at laboratories? or just news and research junkies? A lot of intelligent points. and a lot of childish ones as well…but for the most part very needed nowadays.”
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You will truely find people of all ages, with every type of interest and education, worshipping His Noodleyness here at our of Church of The Flying Sapaghetti Monster.
If you did not come to contest our own beliefs, then welcome and of course:
RAmen
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Zicomo (thank you)…
…however i prefer…
Amen.
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@BC
I am uncertain from your posts whether you intended to start a discussion of the current scientific research supporting the accepted tenets of evolutionary principles?
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BC Jan 3rd, 2007 at 3:04 am
“Zicomo (thank you)……however i prefer…Amen.”
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Ahh…but you are visiting a pastafarian church, where it is an insult to our religion and to Hios Noodleyness to end a missive with Amen.
Appologies Your Noodleyness
RAmen
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I appologise that I can’t stay at present, as I am involved in a disscussion at another site.
However, if you would like to discuss “belief vs. science” of evolution, I suggest you try this site http://www.venganza.org/forum/index.php?sid=4f964f48465c06652cc5d4b7ac0cd3fe
or one of the many Richard Dawkins forums covering this subject.
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/index.php
This really is the Church of FSM, and so, not the place for serious and lengthy (as often required) in depth discussion on this subject.
RAmen
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Wench Nikky Jan 3rd, 2007 at 3:25 am
I appologise that I can’t stay at present, as I am involved in a disscussion at another site. However, if you would like to discuss “belief vs. science†of evolution, I suggest you try this site
http://www.venganza.org/forum/index.php?sid=4f964f48465c06652cc5d4b7ac0cd3fe
or one of the many Richard Dawkins forums covering this subject.
richarddawkins.net/forum/index.php
This is the Church of worship of FSM, and so, not the place for serious and lengthy (as often required) in depth discussion on this subject.
RAmen
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I find it ironic that religion causes discrimination (witch hunts), war (jihad), and control (divine monarcy) when it’s supposed to be behind our moral values, all the while my observations of a dog show that it has an even stricter code of morals (especially when in a pack like environment), morals that as far as I can tell, don’t come from religion.
I like to believe we can transcend religion, and maybe tap into some of that ol’ fashioned common sense we were all genetically imbued with.
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@Spider Jan 3rd, 2007 at 2:29 am
RAmen Spider RAmen
@Verum
RAmen
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amen BC,
amen
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p.s.
church by definition is a public meeting place for christians. so, hypathetically, this isnt a church. its more of an organization.
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The FSM, can change the definition of a word, if he so pleases too!
So calling this The churh of the FSM, is quite appropriate.
Thank you very muchly…
Ramen
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just gimme some garlic bread and ill eat him.
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“hypathetically” you are encouraged to eat spaghetti to your hearts content
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@ fellow evolutionists
how do i explain human emotion from the standpoint of evolution?
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emotion is just how we react to our environments. When a relative dies, we show sympathy. why, because that person was a memorable part of our lives. it’s always sad to have someone that has been a big part of life perish. this isn’t just unique to humans. if you look at elephants (which like us are mammals, yet are not our ancestors) also show this kind of attitude towards a perished member (though obviously it’s different in elephants). there’s was a program a few years ago called Walking with Prehistoric Beasts with mentions this in the 2nd episode. you can find the miniseries in any video store. good for anybody who likes prehistory (like me for example)
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Emotion is really no different in humans than it is in animals. we just view it as being superior in us because, well, we’re humans. emotion is just the reaction to the environment or certain factors that occur within it. it’s present in other animals.
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@ The christian savior
In no way does that help me understandand emotion any different. If i throw that at the christian base which i am seeking this information for i would get eaten alive. That more proves the theory of God than disproves it. How did emotion become? you cannot just say it was a reaction because there is nothing solid in saying that. Why the reaction?
All animals act that way. The way a mother protects its child. or the way two animals fight over a female. but why? instincts? but how?
someone with some insight past that of a television show please help me out…
i need a Ramen here…
searching for answers.
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