How can a thing made by man be god? its fucking spagetti! people EAT IT! why would you let people EAT your god? Everyone I know thinks you are retarded, so congrats there :P
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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When the fuck did we get ice cream?
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At intermission?
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Personally I think of myself not as ‘retard’ but ‘tard again’.
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Quoth BB: “‘Although evolutionists state that … matter resulted from nothing … [this] is an impossibility of science and the natural world.’
Funny, because quantum physics – now pretty much universally accepted – says exactly the opposite. In the quantum world a vacuum is is not empty, but filled with a fizz of particles popping in and out of existence apropos of nothing (save probability). These particles usually ‘arrive’ in particle/antiparticle pairs (conserving energy) which immediately annihilate, but circumstances where they do not annihilate are possible (hawking radiation for example).
There is also no theoretical limit on the size or complexity of the matter which may pop into existence – but the probability of such events drop off pretty quickly. So it’s entirely possible that a 1000ft diamond statue of Douglas Adams could appear in orbit around the moon right now – it’s just phenomenally unlikely.
The Big-Bang could have been such an event – a hyper-massive lump of stuff and it’s anti-counterpart appear and start to annihilate – the resulting explosion blows vast amounts of matter and antimatter clear of the reaction in opposite directions.”
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It’s a bit more grounded than that. While I haven’t worked out the math myself, I have it on good physical authority that the energy of the universe is zero. Basically, gravitational potential energy is negative (the only reasonable zero state for it is complete separation of all matter at infinite distance) and cancels out the “positive” energy bound up in kinetic energy, rotational energy, vbibrational energy, and matter.
So the Big Bang might well be nothing more than a huge entropic hiccup.
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The YECs also say that the second Law of Thermodynamics states that all systems tend towards entropy, and so, therefore god must be responsible for keeping it all together.
RAmen
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Nautilus,
Nice name. I am going to presume you be one of them worshippers of the three for one deal, right? Have you ever munched on one of those flat white tasteless discs that the dude with the unleashed dog collar dishes out? Have you actually heard what he actually says before hand? “This is the body of Christ”. What he means by that I am unsure – either it is a piece of rotting flesh, a piece of an ex-dove, or a piece of your imaginary friend. Anyway do I need to go on?
I love ignorant Christians!
Rat.
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Oh yeah and thanks for letting us know that we are retarded on behalf of your friends.
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I still don’t see the big deal here?
Myself and most the people I know are retarded.
So what’s the point? “shrug”
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-Pixel Pete- ‘☺’-holy $#!^ , that is sooo cute!! How do you do that?!?!
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Retardation only means slow, by the way. So what if pastafarians aren’t all great athletes? Or if they take time to make thier decisions? Or. if. they. talk. like. this.
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@Orthadox Agnostic
Not to start an argument or anything, but how is that different from what I said?
Wouldn’t the lump/antilump big-bang basically be that same as an ‘Entropic Hiccup’? I used [very] lay terms, but both descriptions satisfy the principle of the conservation of energy.
Either way, the point that the notion of getting something [and necessarily anti-something] from nothing does NOT defy the rules of science, is something I think (hope) we can both agree on.
The total energy and total energy change may be zero – but you still get ’stuff’ where there was none, apropos of nothing – a purely probabilistic event.
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@ Fr. Corpus Callosum
Y’know, we actually just discussed the whole “Devil as the good guy” thing in my Western Civ class. Point: “Lucifer” actually means “Bringer of Light.”
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I also love when the fundies say things like, “God created everything,” take a breath, and then say, “God hates evil.” That’s a noggin scratcher, all right. Unless he made it on accident, not realizing that he’d hate it. Though that theory doesn’t fit with the supposed omnipotency.
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My other question would be this: if God has existed forever, what did he do before he created… uh, creation? Does God get bored? I mean, sitting there… alone… in the dark… I mean, what would you do in that situation? Remember the civilization in Hitchhiker that believed that the universe was created when God sneezed? Maybe it was an expulsion from a little lower in God’s anatomy.
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I’m not Pastafarian, but one of my friends is, but on your comment about the eating their diety, what about Hindus they let people eat cows, and Islamic people they let women go without the full black sheat thingy. Pretty much what im trying to say is that yes, they let other eat their god, but techniquely so does everyone else (metaphoricly speaking of course).
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Yah, i like to daydream about stuff like what if we have the wrong picture, what if Lucifer is what our view of god is. What if the Jews arent the chosen people. *sigh* now i need an Advil. But true as well what did god do before humanity? Well it says in Genesis (the first book in the bible) that in the begging there was god and the angels, so i guess if they all lived in heaven, and partied 24/7. Well i cant really say the 7 part of that because it comes from 7 days a week, and that comes from the 7 days it took god to create humanity. all in all religion is a big headache, i am christian and i am happy, you guys are pastafarian pirates, and i applaud you for making a diffrence and standing up for what you believe, i dont even have the courage to acknowledge the asswhole who sits next to me in school (im a high schooler by the way), well keep spreading the holy raveoli gossip, rember, the earth is a meat ball, its only good if its cooked all the way through. and that goes with a second creed, you cnat cook good pasta without a pirate outfit
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I find this devil thing quite interesting. ‘God is the bad guy and the devil is the good guy.’
What other kind of examples of this are their in the bible? What does the devil acturally do in the bible? Etc etc
Anyone an expert?
Thanks :P
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It appears Passing Man has no sense of humor. It also appears that Passing Man cannot recognize clever satire or an argument ad absurdum. Poor Passing Man…
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Ryguy
Dec 2nd, 2006 at 5:25 pm
‘What I meant was, God doesn’t destroy us all at once for being evil because He is patient, and is trying to save some, wanting us to believe in Him. That’s not strange, that’s compassion.’
So what exactly makes some people worth saving by the destruction of others? Even if it is to make an example to scare everyone else into behaving in the preferred manner.
To all the creationists who want to use the 2nd law of thermodynamics to disprove evolution, when work is done, entropy increases, if work is added to a system, the entropy of said system can be decreased; the overall entropy will increase however, because the work added had to come from some other system, whith is increasing entropy more than the work added to the first system is decreasing entropy.
IT IS OVERALL ENTROPY THAT IS INCREASING.
The only time the creationist version isn’t completely insane, or inane, whichever you prefer, is with a very selective knowledge of the second law, one that takes the earth as a completely closed system where entropy by definition must be increasing, the 2nd system in this case is…(drumroll please) THE SUN. Not a god.
The only truely closed system is the universe, everything in the universe has to be accounted for if you want to argue that entropy isn’t constantly increasing.
For any fundies who would like to believe that christianity came fully thought out, and didn’t just steal all the pagan festivals, the whole point of all saints day (1st Nov.) was to replace the celtic festival of Samhain. Samhain being the god of the dead. It was believed that the spirits of all those who had died during the year would rise on that night and go walkabout, bonfires were lit to keep them from getting lost and trying to return to their old homes, Samhain would be walking that night as well. So now we have all hallow’s evening.
Cristmas is the same, but I don’t know the story well enough.
Sorry for the long post, I didn’t have time to make it shorter.
RAmen
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All hail the flying spaghetti momster! he shall show us the way using his noodly appendidge! I am a new recruit, but I have changed my life-plan to PIRACY (and cosplaying in japan).
Kawaii Kitten
KK
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momster?
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Why do they all have obsessions with eating the FSM? do they mean by eating spaghetti? but thats how you worship Him! happy “Holiday”!
RAmen
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I understand spaghetti to be similar to the anglicans understanding of communion. Pasta is a representation of his noodlyness, just as the communion is a representation of the body and blood of some guy. Plus a nautilus is a member of the kingdom Animalia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus
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Lets all enjoy red wine (blood of Christ), Spaghetti (the best thing on Earth and probably the Universe), and some garlic coated communion wafers.
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Why would you want red wine which tastes crap when you could have the sacred grog.
Ramen
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good point well made. But we must all bow to the might of Rum!
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How can you beleive in evolution, i mean do you see any half ape men walking around? All it is scientists using it to make people show an interest in them and hence give them money. Guys open your eyes to GOd and the Bible
Evoltuion is a LIE
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Half ape men hmm let me see? ah yes president Bush.
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@Lemon Cake
Your kind really scares me. you are faced with an insurmountable amount of evidence, then twist it and spout biblical regurgitations about “Satan in sciences clothing”. I can’t deny that some scientists work merely for the money, but all in all MANY, MANY MORE work for science itself. And what about your religion? you guys seem to have this unnacountable obsession with “passing the plate”. We pastafarians “pass the plate” as well, but it contains pasta and we don’t have to put money in it. please get a life. expect some more scientific posts about why we don’t see half ape men walking around (yourself and Bush excluded) to come soon. but I am out of time, and my ride is waiting.
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@Rodger the cabin boy
word.
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If I’m going to be theophagous, better a bowl of noodles and garlicky tomato sauce with lots of Reggiano Parmesan and garlic bread and maybe a green salad than a tiny stale cracker and a thimble of warm grape juice.
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FSM — tastes great, more filling.
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RAmen
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arrr
Ramen to that Gnocci man.
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@Lemon Cake
Oh you poor, poor child, you have been indoctrinated with misinformation and ignorance.
May His Noodliness touch you, remove the ignorance and endow you with rational capabilities.
RAmen
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@Lemon Cake: “do you see any half ape men walking around?”
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Nope. We ate them all. But in our defence, it was a very, very long time ago.
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“All it is scientists using it to make people show an interest in them and hence give them money.”
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I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume English isn’t your first language. But you do make a good point .. unfortunately (for you) it’s a point IN FAVOUR of scientific honesty and progress. You see, it’s the promise of fame, fortune and genuine break-throughs in understanding that drives most scientists. Most science is financed by the tax payer and by big business. Neither has bottomless pockets and will demand some sort of return for their investment. That can range from a better toothpaste to a more efficient way of producing energy. Remember, it’s not money that is the root of all evil, but the ‘love’ of money. Building enormous particle accelerators, or flying to the moon, may use a lot of folding green beer tokens, but then being slightly eccentric is one of human-kind’s great attractions and strengths.
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There are, of course, many examples of plagiarism, fraud and ‘bad science’ throughout recorded history, and plenty of examples of ‘good science’ used for morally repugnant ends. But that doesn’t invalidate the basics of scientific endeavour.
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The world loves novelty. If I was a scientist wanting to make a name for myself, I would be engaged in cutting-edge research, or looking to overthrow cherished theories. Before my outrageous ideas would be accepted, I would have to go through a lengthy process of experimentation, devising formulations and testable hypotheses. My work would be reviewed thoroughly by those of equal or greater understanding in my chosen field. Other scientists would try to replicate my work to check for flaws or cheating or alternative theories to better explain my results. If I am right, and I have advanced human understanding, then I would rightly be lauded by my peers. These checks and balances ensure scientific progress is kept honest. I’m glad we honour our innovators. Bloody heroes and heroines, every man Jack and wench of them. They make me proud to be human in this age of great discovery. Now, if only we can avoid the religious people blowing us all up.
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RAmen moochie
In the end only a tiny fraction of scientists get rich. Mind you, being in the field does open one up to information on the ‘ins’ and ‘outs’ of current reseach and therefore possible investment. Still many still have to teach to make a decent living.
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@Lemon Cake. Yes, you are right. Those damn greedy scientists. And English teachers, too! Damn English teachers. They are almost as evil as the scientists. They try and teach spelling and grammar and such, but they are the devil’s tools! Just like the scientists. I hate them. I hate them all. I hate them so much that we should spank them with oars. And then stick those oars up their asses! Three of them! Yes, those scientists, those heathens, those anti-Christs should be taught a lesson. Does anyone have any glue?
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I know it’s not the sacred supaglue, but would duct tape suffice?
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‘Damn English teachers.’
Let us start with the ones at bible school!
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@SaucyWench Dec 1st, 2006 at 7:57 pm
‘I think I would prefer to be referred to as “Differently-Faithed.†Retarded is such an ugly word.’
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Saucy, I prefer to be called ‘faith challenged’ myself.
RAmen
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@Lemon Cake Dec 4th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
“All it is scientists using it to make people show an interest in them and hence give them money… Evoltuion is a LIE.”
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If that was true then I would publish an article falsifying evolution as quick as I could write it. Given its universal acceptance by scientists and the fact that Darwin is a household name I would become famous overnight. The problem is that people much smarter than I have been trying to falsify evolution for 147 years and have been unable to. That would easily equate to 10’s of millions of hours work and not 1 credible attack on the core of evolutionary theory.
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“Lemon Cake: ‘do you see any half ape men walking around?’
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Nope. We ate them all.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20061204/sc_livescience/neanderthalswerecannibalsstudyconfirms
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Its always possible we are a little of both.
BTW, did your Jeabus not say “”This is my body…” and then if i recall it was bread… then these 12 men ate it…..
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Oh, Im retarded. Though, that could be the Ale talking, or writing, or whatever the hell you call this. (Can I say that? Of course, I’m sorry) Anyways, what I think you meant to say was, Everyone I know thinks. Am I retarded? You see, your mixing up your pronouns in a very thought provoking way. And to your ending, I think you meant “congrats there : Pooh” Not pee, because you pee spaghetti, unless…Excuse my nasty sh*t, but it all ends up the same colour in the end.
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Thanks for the link, One Oared Marc. Looks like we got away with it! To the victor the spoils, and the opportunity to write the ‘authorised history’.
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@ Lemon cake
Evolution does not require belief, it has occurred, is occurring and will continue to occur whether any of us mere mortals witness it or no. And your half ape men, as you call them, went extinct about three millions years ago, is why you don’t see any wakling around today.
Furthermore, maybe you should consider your ID/creationist pseudo-scientists who thrive on the multimillion dollar donations made in the name of Christianity before you go accussing evolutonary biologists of being in it for the money.
ID/creationism is the lie masqurading as science. It has no physical evidence whatsoever, only untestable supernatural explainations.
RAmen
MJK, Orthodox Pastafarian
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@ Mad John
Concussion? (from KSB thread) What have you been doing with yourself MJK?
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Hiya, Nikkiee, it’s a long story…don’t know that I’m up for it tonight…maybe tomorrow.
The good news…I’m alive.
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@ Nikkiee
BTW, did you see my post on the straw-man thread on Nov 30, 2006 at 1:46 am? It was waiting moderation for awhile, I guess. But seems to be up now. It concerns your gene similarity hypothesis. Me thinky you will likey.
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OK I was just about to log off anyway.
Take it slow and take care :)
Catch you later
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Your last post just came up! I may have seen it, but I’ll go refresh my memory.
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Ever notice how whenever there’s a fundi ranting at us on these pages the fear just seems to pour of the screen. We really do scare the hell out of these people. I will admit that there is one thing about that that does worry me, scared people are more likely to do stupid and violent things and fundis have a history of doing stupid and violent things. I keep expecting that one day I’ll turn on the TV and here that they’ve started assassinating scientists and well known atheists.
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MJK No I hadn’t seen your post ……links look great (I’ll check them out after dinner) so thanks.
RAmen
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@Jon E
Old saying “Stupid enough to be dangerous.”
In the past, I’ve had experience with people like that and they are dangerous and scarey!
I also just noticed a full moon (one of those that looks massive) coming up over the horizon here. Probably accounts for the busier hate mail posting over past 24hrs.
RAmen
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