Right, you are some geek sitting up in your one bedroomed appartment thinking of ways to get kicks out of life. Now u have captured my best mate and i wont stop until FSM is expossed as the shabby, bare walled, well conducted piece of rubbish that it is.
I mean a flying spaghetti monster? i think you need to see a pyshologist mate. you have serious problems.
by the way, have you stopped to consider the effects your little game will cause?
i think you have just split up me and my friend. oh yeh i wanna say thanks, thanks for ruining my life.
-rebecca
Cari’s a midget. That’s why she never weighs-in on these discussions; Bobby keeps the keyboard too high for her to reach.
Hello again Cindy,
Please re-read my post a few times… you got the first point but seemed to get a bit lost on the way down.
I’m not comparing our Gods, I’m saying that given the argument that we are created, it does not follow that the creator is the god of the Bible any more than it could be the FSM.
Importantly, accepting that it is not possible to prove the existence of god as you do, I cannot see how you then believe that the bible is his word. How could it be? How can an unprovable have provenly spoken? Belief in god and the bible isn’t just a one-stop reasoning process, it is a series of assumptions and presumptions which are essentially circular. You live your life according to the precepts of a book which you accept as the word of a creator that cannot be proven to exist.
For the benefit of clarity, I am a He, a one-time fundamentalist young earth creationist believer, I have met Ken Ham and I’ve studied theology. The road out of belief was a very difficult one but thankfully my reasoning abilities dragged me kicking and screaming into rationalism. My greatest observation however is this:
When one believes, the concept of a godless world and a purposeless life is scary. When one lets go of irrational belief life finds a real purpose and humanity takes on a totally different hue. The world makes so much more sense when we take the guy on a cloud out of it.
If you really would like to get into discussion join the forums and private message me, I’m only too glad to discuss things with anyone.
Good luck and best wishes.
SpaghettiSawUs
Cindy,
Just a few things to help your reasoning process…
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“Perhaps we are still held accountable to those rules”
No, christian doctrine is that the the old covenant was replaced by the new covenant (Read Acts ch15 and Romans, or ask your Pastor/Priest/Vicar). A Christian is not required to follow the Law of Moses (i.e. no circumcision).
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“and ignorant fools who decided that shellfish was a pretty tasty dinner decided that they didn’t like that part of the Bible so they just excluded it.”
Valid alternative: it was some ‘wisdom’, that fitted the worldview of the time and offered some protection from disease, but has now been superceded by new information and wasn’t actually direct from the all-knowing creator after all. Besides, liking shellfish doesn’t make you ignorant… a good moules marniere takes alot of knowledge/practice ;o)
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“No belief is flawless…”
Such a small statement, such a big discussion to come:
If something is believed without any empirical evidence to back up it then that (act of) belief is completly flawed.
We need to qualify the word ‘belief’.
Consider: I *believe* in gravity (I can see that it occurs). I don’t *believe* in theories of gravity because belief is the wrong word: I accept the validity of the arguments in that the predictions of the theories are testable in observable experiments… but since I can’t *see* gravity I can’t *prove* that it exists.
So, if you were to ask me: “Do you believe in gravity” I would have to answer “Yes of course”, but if you asked me “Do you believe in string theory” I would answer “What a preposterous question! Nobody ‘believes’ in string theory”.
Belief, in the religious sense, is about accepting something without knowing whether it is demonstrably ‘true’ or not.
When Isaac Newton first said “Hey look, things are attracted to one another by some invisible force which I’ll call gravity. Here’s some experiments and some data, see for yourself”, we looked into it and said “This appears to be correct”. The result isn’t a new belief-system (we didn’t expect to survive falling from great heights before we knew about gravity did we?) Instead what we have is a ‘model’ that *works* to explain a phenomenon we can’t see. We may ‘believe’ in the phenomenon but we can only ‘trust’ the model at best. We have plenty of ideas what gravity is, and so far they are holding up, but belief (in any religious sense) is alien to the search for truth about gravity: all anyone can say is “I believe that the theory X model of gravity is correct, until proven otherwise”.
Can you see where this is going?
Ask yourself: “Do I believe in God because a) I arrived at it throught logical conjecture, experiment and analysis of empirical data, or b) because I was taught about it as a child, by people I trusted.” If you answer A, your God Theory may have merit, submit it for peer review. If B, your belief is completely flawed.
So let’s turn your statement on its head: All belief is flawed. It says the same thing but more accurately. Now the question I have to ask you is: are you comfortable using your mental capacity on something that is inherently flawed?
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“…no one understands the meaning of life.”
Honestly, when you let go of the God concept, the meaning of life is instantly apparent, I swear it.
My invite to further discussion is always open, this thread is not really the appropriate place to go deeper.
Best Wishes
RAmen
@mod: sorry for length and references to dogma, hope my closing comments spare me a plank walk…
yo yo yo
foshizel bizel
can i join your cult
i wana be saved
even tho i once had a girl in my bed and a horce
thats what she said
oh…u got skooled foshizzile
money cheese
do have any tost whith chez
that was wierd
I wonder if we should perhaps ban the usage of the word “foshizel”
awww…poor Rebecca. =)…what, no1 else feels sorry for her? She just lost her best friend. I think we should show her the love of FSM and not criticize her horrible spelling, or poor adjectives, and her lack of understanding of sentence structure and just show her some love. WWFSMD
RAmen.
@One Eyed Jack Dec 2nd, 2006 at 11:22 pm
Midgets in cages… oh crap!
Got to go! Forgot to do something!
OEJ
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??? OEJ ???
Wow, i miss a couple of months and i spend days catching up…
I suppose i shouldn’t be surprised but i just read a post in this thread “…i actually beleive every word in the bible…” what? literally? not only is that bizarre - it’s messed up. Does that include the bit when the Angel appears to Lot to warm him sodom is going to be destroted? the locals gather and demand he sends the angel out as they want to sodomize it - so to defend it he sends out his virgin daughters to be gang raped by the mob (not sure why god doesn’t stop it - perhaps he likes to watch?) and when he and his family run from the destruction God kills his wife for what - looking at the show? that seems fair!
it even goes further when he and his daughters hide out - they get him drunk and sleep with him in turns!! very pious. and you want to say you believe this. man i laughed.
I’m nowhere near up to speed either, Spider. Does anyone have the faintest fucking idea as to what the flying fucking fuck of a fucking thing a fucking “pyshologist” is meant to be? For fuck’s fucking sake!
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Not only are these hate posters complete retards/assholes/delusional fuckwads, they’re destroying the fucking language too!
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Bastards!
I think a pyshologist is a cross between a psychologist and an alcoholic. The shrink that drinks too many martinis^_^
As nautical navigators in an ocean of bewilderment, bring enlightenment and pasta to those adrift on currents of superstitious nonsense methinks perhaps we are the Physhologists?
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Physh - (pronounced fish.. d’ya get it?.. wait i’ve got another, my dogs got no nose…..)
And i like the phrase “a shrink that drinks…”
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do they wink aswell?
Good to see you back Spider.
RAmen
@Davey Jones’ Hacker Dec 5th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
“I’m nowhere near up to speed either, Spider. Does anyone have the faintest fucking idea as to what the flying fucking fuck of a fucking thing a fucking “pyshologist†is meant to be? For fuck’s fucking sake!”
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I think it is a wrong spelling Davey. Maybe the poster meant a silogist? Those people that study, like wheat silos and stuff? Maybe?
FSM is incredible!
Let’s think about this:
Christianity has a widely accepted, unseen, force that created everything.
FSM has a widely accepted, unseen, force that created everything.
Christianity has a bible that was written by god.
FSM has a bible that was written by god.
Christianity has a faith.
FSM has a faith.
People claim to have been touched by the christian god.
People claim to have been touched the the FSM god.
And plenty more…
So, if christianity is true than so must FSM be true. If FSM is false, then so too must christianity be false.
This is a genius satire and it’s funny to read comments from all the christians who get offended by it. Maybe I get offended by christianity?
The fools.
@Soldier of the Sauce:
it may trouble you to know that christianity and FSMism are not mutually exclusive, but it has been determined which deity is the better! check out the FSM vs God thread in the News section.
Man….I wasnt not here to knock you’re guys “faith” or anything….a friend of mine told me about this…..
….and now I will knock it…..
I just wanted to say that Im all up for freedom of religion, but if there’s one thing I cannot stand, it’s idiots…..I’ve talked to the Pastafarian population at my school and at my sisters college, and all of them say the same thing…”Im atheist, Im bored, and it’s fun”…..anyone who thinks that this is actually the TRUTH just has to completely ignore the laws of life as we know it…..and I know, I know, maybe I haven’t been molested by his “noodly appendage”….but if it means converting to a “religion” that was based on a political joke, then count me out……
J,
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It’s good to see that you cannot stand idiots. You may find this hard to believe, but this religion was founded because one little boy also hated idiots. You see, J, there are lots of idiots out there, and sometimes not only is it hard to decide which idiots to hate, sometimes it is also hard to see who are idiots, especially if you are not too bright to begin with.
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So, J, perhaps you might like to take a step back and first try to pick out the idiots, and then decide which ones you can stand the least. I doubt it will help, but if by chance it does, it would not be the first miracle His Noodliness has performed.
Everybody knows that the FSM created god after the made the trees and the mountains, but before he made the midgit.
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The FSM made god and so he is greater than god. Duh!
Hmmm sounds like we have another J.
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This does not sound like the well written, often long winded, and highly skilled debater we all know and respect.
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A christian plot to discredit him maybe?
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So to the fake J, I say VAMOOSE