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Hi Doctor nic :)
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“I hope rational people will take the time to read some of the dialogue I shared with One Eyed Jack, 13, gill, and Jingles.”
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Not a bloody hope matey. You still haven’t taken me up on that chat offer.
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Why have you forsaken me?
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Alchemist Dec 2nd, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Hi Doctor nic :)
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“I hope rational people will take the time to read some of the dialogue I shared with One Eyed Jack, 13, gill, and Jingles.â€
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Not a bloody hope matey. You still haven’t taken me up on that chat offer.
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Why have you forsaken me?
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You mean, the doc spoke to those folks?
Where was I? What did I miss?
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Orthodox Agnostic,
I want to clarify something. When I said, “Hidden Answer” I meant something other than the Personal (Monotheistic and polytheistic forms of God) or the impersonal (energy & matter + time & chance or mystical pantheism). However, what else can there be? I am sure you will argue that it’s inconceivable or simply undiscovered, but of which are valid options.
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I did not comment on your fourth proof of fallacy because it was semantics, and I felt it was irrelevant to the conversation.
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Lastly, to everyone,
Please forgive my insult. I truly wish I had not made that statement.
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Alchemist Dec 2nd, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Why have you forsaken me?
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You shouldn’t say foreskin, it makes me blush.
Ramen
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Orthodox,
I meant to say, “…both of which are valid options.” not “but of which….”
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Swabbies Bucket,
If you were referring to me when you wrote, “You still haven’t taken me up on that chat offer.” I do not know what you mean.
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Swabbies. Yeah, spoke to? Talked at would be better. Patronised?
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I’m pretty sure that nic is Dr. M.Martin PhD, PhD, ThM. Check the “oh mere mortals, look upon me and weep” style!
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Who wants to chip in?
I’m willing to donate $ .045 USD, do get nic, his own website.
Anybody else wanna contribute?
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Nic Dec 2nd, 2006 at 5:55 pm
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Swabbies Bucket,
If you were referring to me when you wrote, “You still haven’t taken me up on that chat offer.†I do not know what you mean.
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Since I never said that to begin with??????? Yeah OK????
Go away please, thank you very muchly.
Ramen
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Hang on Swabbies…..ok I’ve got a couple of quid. What do you think
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“ME_ME_ME.com” ?
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Hey competition time. Name a personal website for Dr. Dr. Michael Martin (nic) PhD, PhD ThM.
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Win a laugh
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@Nic
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“Swabbies Bucket,
If you were referring to me when you wrote, “You still haven’t taken me up on that chat offer.†I do not know what you mean.”
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Twas me that said that. I think that you are Dr Michael Martin UHS. Can you prove that you are not?
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How about…
i’mnotdrmichaelmartin.com
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I’m not sure how I could.
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maybe if i post my full name and social you can check to see if i’m a real person
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Alchemist Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:03 pm
Hang on Swabbies…..ok I’ve got a couple of quid. What do you think
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“ME_ME_ME.com†?
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Hey competition time. Name a personal website for Dr. Dr. Michael Martin (nic) PhD, PhD ThM.
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Heres mine… Dr.Goddaddy.mister.nic.I.know.you.are.but.what.am.I.pcp.com
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-competition time.-How about…
i’mnotadrbutiprten2bonwekdays.com
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Nic, if you cannot prove that you are not who I think you are, then how can you prove the existence of God?
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swabbie that wasn’t even funny…
tell him about the runner up prize bob…
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that was pretty good penne
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Nic Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:11 pm
maybe if i post my full name and social you can check to see if i’m a real person
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I’ve got a better idea! I do!
From now on, I’ll call you……. LJS30
Ramen
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with this equation:
7= wt * 44
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Alchemist Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:14 pm
Nic, if you cannot prove that you are not who I think you are, then how can you prove the existence of God?
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Excellent point!
Ramen
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Swabbies and Penne – this is looking good. We need a few more. How about we send the entries to J as a kind of ‘we miss you, take care and we’re here when you get back’
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It’ll either make him laugh or run into the road!
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Alchemist, I think that’s a great idea! Where is J anyway, do you talk to him much?
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Oh Oh, Jesus is comming, I have to look busy…….nighty-night!
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Penne Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pm
Oh Oh, Jesus is comming, I have to look busy…….nighty-night!
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Don’t let JESUS hold you down! You want I should come over there and kick his ass?
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Here’s my go, and we can have as many goes as we like.
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Henderob – you should make this a thread. Swabbies idea, Swabbies thread. Oh go on.
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Now – erm “MMartinYale” naah – too extreme
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Heres another.
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DRnic.martin.wants.you.to.love.him.too.also.commy
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My God is 21 years old! And she works at the corner store and she sells me beer without prejudice!
Ramen
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Alchemist Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:31 pm
Here’s my go, and we can have as many goes as we like.
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Henderob – you should make this a thread. Swabbies idea, Swabbies thread. Oh go on.
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Now – erm “MMartinYale†naah – too extreme
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I’m not worthy. hahaha Funny stuff!
Thank all of you for making me smile today! You too, mr dr nic martin!
Ramen
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I can prove I’m not Dr. Michael Martin…he is an atheist. I knew the name sounded familiar. He wrote “The Case Against Christianity”.
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Penne – I’ve swapped a few e-mails with J.
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He knows that we are there for him (truly). I don’t think there is any reason to worry. The problem with caring about others is that you end up neglecting yourself.
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If you want to send him a message (and as OEJ said you’ll have to trust me) send it to my yahoo account and I’ll forward it to him – I’m sure he’d appreciate it.
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bacchanaliandelight @yahoo.co.uk
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Nic Dec 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pm
I can prove I’m not Dr. Michael Martin…he is an atheist. I knew the name sounded familiar. He wrote “The Case Against Christianityâ€.
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Opps, nic you put a cap on you’re handle there?
I’m not even sure if you’re nic now?
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@Nic
I posted this on another thread but I should have posted it to you.
The problem I have with the God of the Bible is that he is evil. I’m not trying to be offensive, I’m trying to present a point of view.
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Imagine God as a parent who says he ‘loves his children unconditionally’. One of his children does something that is absolutely against the rules of the household; something that the parent considers to be an abomination. The parent is sad, because he loves his child, but the infraction must be punished. So he kills the child. He didn’t want to do it, but the child drove him to it by breaking the rules, and breaking the rules must be punished.
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Now imagine that the parent is arrested. He’s brought into court and defends himself by explaining his case to the judge exactly as it happened: ‘I loved my child, but he did something abominable, something that is totally against my rules for the house, and abomination must be punished, so I had to kill him’. What do you think the judge would say?
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Do you see the problem? The god of the bible comes off as a evil, raving, psychotic.
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The Devil seems to me to be the good guy of the bible story. He’s on man’s side, he wants him to learn and mature. God punishes Adam and Eve for eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the Devil helps them to eat it. God kills the whole population of the world in the bible. Devil kills about 10 people, and that’s with Gods permission ’cause they have a bet.
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That’s not the MAIN problem that god-believers have with the god of the bible. The main problem that they have is that they are grovelling before a being that is not only evil, but also non-existent. All this discussion is sort of like arguing about the existence of an evil Easter Bunny.
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In someone’s insesent (sp?) ramblings, they said God would give me the itch. Oh dear. The itch.
Someone else, or perhaps the same person, said Men cannot have sex with Men as they would a woman. Somen can kiss and pleasure each other in any way but that, and love each other dearly, and be perfectly fine? And lesbians are free? What a very strange, sexist God.
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No one in particular Dec 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pm
In someone’s insesent (sp?) ramblings, they said God would give me the itch. Oh dear. The itch.
Someone else, or perhaps the same person, said Men cannot have sex with Men as they would a woman. Somen can kiss and pleasure each other in any way but that, and love each other dearly, and be perfectly fine? And lesbians are free? What a very strange, sexist God.
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Hey, I know the answer to this…… Me Likey Girls…
Ramen
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@nic, sorry if these have been argued before, but I feel I must respond to your arguments.
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“You use words like, “loving act†and else where, “tragic and lamentableâ€. – Surely you realize that those are relative terms.”
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Yes, I am aware of that. I see no problem with it, as my argument takes the side of all morality being a relative observation. Simply put, I believe that the use of relative terms to describe a relative view on a relative quantity is relatively logical.
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“…that beginning with the atheistic presuppositions, there is no logical reason to define anything as good or bad. Yet, atheists do.”
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We judge things as good or bad by their worth to society. By labelling an idea, event, value, whatever as bad, we imply that its introduction to our society would damage said society, or at the least cause more harm than good.
A good event is one which would help the community. These definitons may seem somewhat arbitrary, and they are.
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Good and bad are entirely subjective terms, completely dependant upon the morality of the observer, depending on what they see as a beneficial direction for society to take.
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We judge things good or bad, but as an atheist, we must support our judgements. We can never rely on an absolute authority to ratify our decisions, rather we must construct our position from a logical viewpoint. If we are called on to decide between two positions, we must justify using only what is available to us, without resorting to some great voice in the sky.
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“So this judge imposes the arbitrary standard of the majority upon a person who may not agree with that standard, and that is okay. Wow! Talk about suppressing new and different ideas.”
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Suppressing new and different ideas? Hmmm… I could elaborate on some examples of that, but I will refrain.
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However, please understand, that if those ideas are deemed harmful to society, for example that it would be a good idea to rape women, the judge is preventing the society being subjected to the damaging idea.
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Basically, while the forcing of society’s norm upon an individual may sound cruel, it pales in comparison to forcing an individual’s views upon all of society.
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Finally, as you may have guessed, many of the readers on this site do not enjoy being quoted scripture at. So at the very least, when doing this distasteful task, can you please continue to use line breaks. Otherwise your argument becomes lost in a sea of gibberish interspersed with rather annoying quotes.
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I doubt anybody ever would. But if anybody wants to contact me.
I’m registered on the FSM discussion board, as “Swabbies Bucket”
You can send me a Private Message, there.
Ramen
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Finally, as you may have guessed, many of the readers on this site do not enjoy being quoted scripture at. So at the very least, when doing this distasteful task, can you please continue to use line breaks. Otherwise your argument becomes lost in a sea of gibberish interspersed with rather annoying quotes./
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I don’t think it’s so much that people here don’t want to be quoted scripture.
I think, that if it’s quoted, people here want to know what it means. Which seems to be a big problem for the fundies to explain.
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Nic – sometimes we are daft (is ok for me to say we yet? I’m nearly upto my 30 day limit).
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I tend towards the stupid. It’s how I keep sane. How do you reconcile the wholesale destruction of human life in the name of god?
You have god upon your side. Don’t the Muslims, the Jews, the Zoroastrians. You all believe in the same god!
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Why do you kill each other?
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Why must people suffer for your beliefs – those with multiple sclerosis and other illness that could be cured through stem-cell research?
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Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse blood transfusions – even if their child is terminal? Why? So they can be one of the 144000?
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I’m sorry if I’m going for you but you really are a total twat!
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Saucy Wench. You don’t know how welcome that was! Hope you read this post.
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What is this, dinner time? Here’s me staying up and you lot have buggered off!
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I’m just waiting for something, anything?
Ramen
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With you there Swabbies – watching All About Eve at the mo – well flicking from this site to the vid.
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Betty Davis? Dang you’re old! LOL
Haven’t seen that in a few years.
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No you tit the band – with the heavenly voice of Julianne Regan. Not that old
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Try http://www.julianneregan.net/
Growl Grrrrr
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@ Alchemist, OUCH! hahaha, Ok, never heard of that one before?
Guess I’m old! haha
I’m watching some stupid movie on cable but I haven’t a clue what it is.
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It’s not a bloody film. All About Eve are a band, you sods. Well it is a film but I mean the band.
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You’re just going to wind me up about this no matter what I say!
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you bastards (grin)
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Swabbies – what’s going on – no one posting?
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