flimsy moral standards? Lets see here.
If I were to shoot your wife, would you have a problem with that?
-michael martin
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Flimsy is not the same thing as non-existant, and if you shot my (hypothetical) wife what exactly would that say about your moral standards?
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The good ol’ “I’d be a homicidal maniac if it weren’t for gawd”-line of reasoning… Fortunately, the FSM gave most of us rationally minded folks the mental capacity to establish baseline moral standards that can stand on their own outside of our faith.
Shooting wives is wrong in most cases, irregardless of what the FSM thinks.
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My (also hypothetical) wife is protected by the flying spaghetti monster, so I would say nothing.
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My moral standards would say that if you shot my (hypothetical) wife, you’d be put in jail for a LOOOOOOONNG time.
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Flimsy morals don’t mean we don’t HAVE morals, which is obviosly your case since you even suggested such an awfull thing. Flimsy morals mean we like drinking, partying, mabye a little debochary on the side and breaking those stupid firework regulations.
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I’m underaged and sadly canot have a wife… :(. But hypothetically let’s say I do, if you shoot my wife, I’d shoot your wife. You insult my religion, I insult your religion.
Priests touch little boys!
RAmen
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The good Doktor gets his own thread. This should be interesting.
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Normally I try to be polite. But you are a sick freak. What type of person even suggests such a thing? If you are this violent in your beliefs, perhaps you ought to consider a tour of duty in the military? Whatever the case, don’t post on religous websites, even satrical ones.
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@ OOM- this WON’T be interesting. He’s an egotistic little spud who like copying and pasting.
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come on guys he just doesn’t understand the difference between flimsy and non existent. in christianity you only get black and white which is fitting as God is both flimsy and non existent
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@poster. Nice argument. I don’t have a wife. If you tried to shoot one of my loved ones (be they ex-girlfriends, my parents or my dog) I would quite happily try to stop you.
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Are you still taking the meds? Tell your doc. that you are having naughty thoughts – s/he
will increase your dose.
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I would appreciate you not shooting my wife. I need to go first so I can hit the beer volcano and swing by the stripper factory before she hooks up with me.
RAmen
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i love it how people say that without god they would be fucked. i think most of the people in the world who have god are already fucked. just look at the middle east and the south. not much peace with terrorists, racists, and ignorant dumbasses.
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If you were to shoot my wife I would be glad because that would signify that i actually managed to get a wife in the first place.
And also, she would be protected by a wall of holy noodly appendages so the bullet would do nothing anyway.
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Whats all this talk of wives anyway, who needs one? (or a husband for that matter) marriage is one of the god squad rituals it should make no difference to rational minds.
thats what my parrot says anyway
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Welcome back Doc. Got bored without us, eh? You must like this site, I wonder why.
If you were an atheist, you would have other (more rational) reasons for behaving the way you behave today (and thus NOT shooting anyone – unless you’re a complete psycho which I would not totally exclude). There are very profane reasons why people do what they do. The God illusion just saves them from having to think about their real reasons.
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
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“If I were to shoot your wife”
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You’d go to your hell.
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Very, very quickly.
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“If I were to shoot your wife”
I’d tear out your left anterior descending artery.
Cheers.
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Yeah, issant murder one of those commandment thingies?
That was sarcasm, by the way I know for a fact it’s one.
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“If I were to shoot your wife, would you have a problem with that?”
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I would really love to see the original context of this statement. I’ve followed some of DMM’s posts, but they have been too numerous to read them all. I don’t recall this statement.
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Anyone have a link to the original post?
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I really just don’t get the Doc’s arguement here. He shoots my (hypothetical) wife and I’m morally at fault? WTF?
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Sorry for bringing Godwin into this, but that’s like saying, “Hitler killed a lot of Jews, that makes you a terrible person.”
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@OEJ
Go to ‘FSM Holiday Cards are here’. I think he’s trying to make some sort of arguement agaist us when I mentioned our flimsy moral standards.
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Thank-you, Just Guess.
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I see the original post now. Seems to me that DMM was making the point that our (FSM) moral standards are not so flimsy. In fact, we would have a problem with murder of a loved one.
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That point is certainly different than the one that we see when it is taken out of the context of the thread.
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I don’t think we do a service to ourselves by pulling this statement out of context and lambasting it. Especially when DMM has said so many other things that are ripe for discussion.
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OEJ
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@OEJ
I don’t quite understand. Even in the original context he still seems to come across as an a**hole to me.
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Anna – sarcasm – it is good, really.
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@Michael Martin – re shoot your wife. Hi there – you sound like a patriotic fellow.
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Women eh- sometimes you just have to give them a slap, eh? How dare they criticise you.
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You pathetic little man.
RAmen
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he just took the original “flimsy moral standards” comment a bit to seriously and, i think, tried to make some kind of point but got a bit confused along the way.
If your reading mr Martin, please clarify
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yup,he’s a crazy fundie alright. I guess that proves it.
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I already shot my wife…!
Jesus made me do it..!
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Davey Jones’ Hacker–Naw, he’d pray to Jesus and be perfectly ok. Nice little religion he’s got going on over there, sounds to me like the perfect excuse to go out and stab someone.
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re-Anna-issant murder one of those commandment thingies
Actually, and I hope that you dont take this the wrong way Anna, murder per se is not forbidden in the ten commandments if you look you’ll notice that god forbids us from killing.
This is different in that farmers kill plants and animals every day and everyone else aids them in it by eat all the dead things that they killed. Also currently our bodies, including that of Mikey the Psychopathic Fundy, are killing thousands of bacteria right now! According to the book those people (you know the ones) read breaking one commandment is equivalent to breaking all of them. This means in essence that everyone, Christians included, are constantly committing every possible “sin”. Annnd what that means, is that any time that the fundies critisise non-Christians for “sinning” they are being hippocrits(sp?). I know that that was common knowledge but I had an uncontrollable urge to critisise that bad, bad, infidel fundy person.
RAmen
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Considering that you’re presenting your own moral standards by giving an action you would perform, the point is kind of null wouldn’t you say?
Flimsy moral standards is more a way of saying we love hookers and what not.
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i think the good doc doesn’t seem to realize that christianity is just one religion out of many. he seems to forget that if his one religion is absolutely correct, then all the other religions would be false and would go to hell. that makes me think, is christianity that nice.
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also, just because he went to college doesn’t make him a brilliant person. he just uses that as an excuse to make him self seem more brilliant than what he isn’t. i wonder if creation science applies to buddism, hinduism, and all the other world religions. it wouldn’t be fair for just one religion to exclude other religions now would it.
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i hope that creation science, if it ever were to be taken seriously, would benefit his noodly appendage
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RAmen
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Mr Happypants – I think you’re mis-reading the commandment… supposadly a better translation would be read “do not kill other Jews” so you get to kill as many non-believers as you want. Nice moral guideline, eh?
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michael martin – His Noodleness spoke to me about morality a few nights ago after I had polished off eight beers and three plates of spaghetti and meatballs, and He told me that He’s generally cool with us doing as we please, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. These are what are often referred to as “flimsy moral standards”. However, in the case shooting someone’s wife, this doesn’t fall under the case because it hurts the wife (as well as her husband) and interferes with her own freedom to continue to do things. However, if you wanted to go out and booze it up, you’re only hurting your own body, as long as you don’t get violent. Along those same lines, if you want to go make an idol of a fake god (the christian god, allah, buddah, etc), He isn’t going to get all bothered and strike you down like those other gods supposably will, but never seem to do very often because fake gods cant really strike anybody down.
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This whole line of reasoning can be applied to lots of other cases… for instance making little lies that don’t hurt anybody isn’t a problem, like “hi friend i like your new haircut” when the haircut is hiddeous, but “hi blind friend the street is clear you can cross it” when there’s a truck coming is right out.
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The Doc has already made it clear that he believes that the Christian god is the only god and that everyone who doesn’t believe in his god will spend eternity in hell. Plus, since Pergatory seems to be going by the wayside, this means that billions will go directly to hell without a respite and a glass of lemonade. I just feel sorry for all of the babies that die before accepting Jesus as their saviour. Hell will get mighty noisy with all the screaming, burning babies.
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@one oared marc
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wow, that is a scary thought. of course, the doc loves god more than all the babies so he probably won’t care. what a loving doctor.
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Bobby should send a copy of that e-mail to his boss,I don’t think they’d like being associated with someone who makes death threats against people.It’s bad press:(
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One thing I don’t understand is the attraction of Christianity. So this one guy goes around talking and acting like a hippie. That I’m cool with. But then he gets executed as a common criminal, and three days later he comes back as a zombie. Why would you worship a zombie? Is Xtianity actually a death cult in disguise? On top of that, they tell you thay you’re supposed to eat his flesh and drink his blood. It’s been 2000 years since he died. Aren’t they worried that stuff isn’t fresh anymore, and why would I want to eat zombie meat? Won’t that make me a zombie too? Oh wait…
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You’d be beating me to the punch, or shot, I guess. I’ve been kicking this very idea around for quite some time. She’s not even my wife yet, evil bitch. You bein’ a doc and all, don’t shoot her in the side to watch her suffer. Go ahead and get yer submachine gun and finish the low-down, triflin’ woman off.
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LMAO, ankla1.com, I should have listened to you instead of Jesus (or Doc) – you give much better instructions. Well.., I may get a second chance anyhow – I remarried!
BTW, I loved your ‘seis chorreao’ and heavy metal mix in Deceit. I never heard anything like it before. Good job..!
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Holy smokes! A kindred. This is neither the time nor place… we meet at dawn, just by that brand new pirate ship. Synchronize watches as the noodly-rogers rises. Then we step ahead to the steep trails en route to the beer volcanoes and stripper factories. As we ascend to meet his noodly greatness we turn back to glimpse the christians in their scattered existence, still alive, yet sinking in the realization that their seasons never change. They will in time rot in holes, just like all the other non-believers! Not us, matey! RAmen, bitches.
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@Penny, i dont think he was making a death threat, just trying to make a point (even if it was a moronic one)
@Zok, i dont think budhists beleive that budda is a god and they certainly don’t beleive that he strikes anyone down, there actually quite a peacefull, open minded bunch. Budhism is the only mainstream religion that has never had a war, they preach respect, peace and understanding, they do not condone violence of any sort against any species and are generally quite chilled out. While i do respect their moral standing i see no reason for the religious overtones. However i do not think they deserve to be lambasted in the same way as theistic religions, as Just guess pointed out to me (and i entirely agreed), they are something quite different.
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@OEJ, I believe you are right. DMM was just trying to be pleasant — and to goad us into the “moral absolutes” argument. Hehehe.
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If we were to pick a DMM quote that really is despicable, I would pick the following:
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“We are to judge fairly. There’s nothing wrong at all with judging people as according to an accurate well read Exegesis. All I can say is that if they believe in Jesus Christ, they’re going to heaven. If they don’t, they’re not. What I can not do is say that you are wrong because you’re stupid…or something lame like that. But as far as judging, where does the Bible state that we not judge people?”
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Thanks OOM, for the recap, i too agree with OEJ. Having read the quote above however, i do see that it is entirely unreasonable not to beleive in Jesus, after all he is the son of God and if you dont beleive in him, after all the evidence, then you bring the consequences on yourself. I also thought it was nice of the good doctor not to call us stupid, althoughe i do feel rather foolish after considering his reasoning. All these years of ignorance and sin….i deserve to go to HELL!.
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Serves her right for gathering sticks on the sabbath.
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“Serves her right for gathering sticks on the sabbath.”
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Yes, God does not look kindly upon those who gather fagots.
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for those who might not know, a fagot is a bundle of sticks.
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Ah yes, I remember the long cold winters when my grandmother would say, “Toss another fagot on the fire.”
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If you were to shoot my hypothetical wife I would have to ask you “What the hell man?” Seriously what does that have to do with my moral standerds besides showing if it’s against my morals to beat a mentaly retarted maniac who just killed my wife to death with his own pelivs.
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ahem…
Fagot, a noun, is defined as a ‘bundle’ of items. It is not just limited to grandma’s sticks; it can also include congressmen, and fundies.
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So we can burn congressmen and fundies now? [Cartman voice]sweet…[/Cartman voice]
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Chaos, are you familiar with the word, pun?
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