flimsy moral standards? Lets see here.
If I were to shoot your wife, would you have a problem with that?
-michael martin
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@13,
We are talking about the evolution of the sexes because it was used as an example of something that evolution could not account for (which is wrong, evolution can account for it). Percieved gaps in evolutionary theory are often used by creationists attempting to invalidate the theory and thus validate creationism. The underlying argument is that creationism is just as scientific as evolution, therefore it should be taught in science classrooms. Thus, talking about the science behind evolution is central to the debate. I fail to see what stem cells and the war (I assume in Iraq) have to do with teaching creationism. Moreover, opinions on the use of stem cells and the war are based on value judgments, which you seem to be arguing are not important. To conclude, I agree with you on this point “Mayby [sic] I just don’t get it”.
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@13
Why can’t we focus on the real issue?
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“subminimal unchristians messages!” and dream interpretations???
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Whoa ya’ll!
I wasn’t really pissed off at Everybody, or even really pissed off for that matter? Sorry if that was taken from my post (s)?
I stated that I was pissed at nic, and I was and still am. I don’t need him or anybody, to try to force their beliefs on me.
I especially hate his type, for the simple fact that he tries to use his grade school type psychology to win people over. Sorry but to quote the great Dr Mike on this…. “I” have a degree in that. I just had to say that! heh heh
Anyway, I bowed out of here because I wasn’t sure, that chasing nic away pleased the masses here?
I’m just a happy guy, who gets by just fine on his kharma beliefs.
And a love of all things grape!
I’ve meet some good people here (you know who you are).
I just feel it’s better to step aside and let you have at the fundies without me.
It’s like that old show… I can name that tune in….
Well, if I were to stop all the fundies in one or two posts, it wouldn’t be much fun now would it?
So again I’ll bow out… not pissed at you folks, just to bow out.
And let ya’ll have at it!
I’ll pop in from time to time, and if you ever want, just say the word.
We’ll go fundie bustin’ together!
And I’ll say again, I don’t hate the God believer’s. I think we all need to believe in something.
Just don’t try to push it on others! That is not what God wanted from you!
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Peace Love…
Ramen
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This guys good, but I don’t have a wife, so maybe he’ll shoot his. But what he’s shooting is mystery. Is it dinosaur eggs? Cause if your shooting dinosaur eggs, blast some this way… they’re not dinosaur eggs, eh? I’ve fallen into the abyss of absurdity. Anyways, like all tragedies, this has to be interpreted. What he means by flimsy is open-minded. And let(’)s see here, speaks for it’s self, though, you could say, ‘Let’s see, hear.’
Now, shoot your wife with that, speaks to no one, because, like (an estimated) lot of us, probably don’t have wives, but partners. So, no one neither sees, nor hears. Lastly, we all have a problem with not seeing or hearning, not a problem we would punch someone over, though, but the kind of problem of that what you see is what you get. (Excuse the cliche) And if you see nothing…
RAmen
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Nic,
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“You wrote, ‘Murder by definition is immoral.’ – Who wrote the definition?”
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Let me try to clarify.
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Murder, definition: 1) the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. 2) to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
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The very definition of the word murder contains a moral judgement. Murder is a label placed on a type of killing as judged against a set of established standards/laws. This is why I say you can’t discuss murder as a moral absolute. Murder is what we call an immoral killing.
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At a more basic level we say something like “Doing physical harm to an innocent is wrong.” Based on this moral standard (and others) we call it murder when a thief shoots the clerk at a 7-11. Likewise, because of moral standards such as “You have the right to defend your own life” we do not call it murder when a victim kills their attacker in self defense. The judgement of what is murder and what is not requires the application of several, more basic moral standards.
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Attempting to discuss murder as a moral absolute is like trying to discuss how a farmer grows a loaf of bread. You can discuss how the farmer grows the wheat, but you’ll need talk to the miller and the baker to learn how it becomes bread.
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OEJ
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This poem is dedicated to nic.
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nic
pastafarians made him sick
they made him sound like a WILLY
so he ran away to hide.
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Wow. I really missed some stuff, didn’t I?
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what ever happened to the good doc. why ain’t he postin no more. has he run out of arguments. must be the same for that gary loser.
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oh sorry 13 i ment that michael martin as a bitter fucker
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Herr Doktor admitted that he had been paid by the AiG to come here and spew out his toxic waste. Most of it on the strawman thread. Don’t expect to see him here on his own time. Having said that, he’s more than welcome. Although, less verbocity would be nice.
RAmen
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My personal belief is that the Creator doesn’t mind people shooting each other.
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Answers in Genesis, everyone’s favorite organization that wants to tell the world that the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs boarded the ark. if that’s what a profesional creatist organization is, then i guess were fine. i don’t think anybody takes AIG seriously (i mean scientists (real ones))
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so the doktor had to draw straws and lost?
that’s too bad ’twas fun pokin’ him with the irons
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Everyone here should listen to this, as it deals with education in America!
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http://inc-omplete.org/digg/verizon.mp3
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Download the file and listen (mozilla didn’t work for me?), its the funniest thing I have heard in quite a while!
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Verizon operators and management don’t understand the difference between .002 cents and .002 dollars. Its almost painful to listen to but absolutely hilarious!
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Hrm… does my wife (only legal for me to have one in Mass or Canada) have a large life insurance policy? Because I may be upset at first, but a quick trip to Tiffany would change my mind pretty quickly. Plus, I’d have the comfort of knowing that my (obviously lesbian, however hypothetical) wife were in Heaven enjoying the beer volcano and, of course, the STRIPPER FACTORY!
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And how good is your aim, anyway? Do you shoot to kill? Or are you just shooting to disarm or detain? Because if my hypothetical flannel-wearing, mullet-sporting lesbian wife were attacking you, I’m sure it would be very scary, because she would be extremely hypothetically butch and probably packing. Therefore, you would probabaly be completely within your rights to shoot her if you felt threatened.
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But I’m sure if you asked my husband the same question he’d probably give you $20.
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Shooting my wife, would not be in YOUR best interest.
MMkayyy?
Besides, this thread is to big to reply to anymore!
Bye, bye, now, bye, bye…
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More wonderful xtian morality:
‘Religion for a Captive Audience, Paid For by Taxes’
http://richarddawkins.net/article,412,Religion-for-a-Captive-Audience-Paid-For-by-Taxes,Diana-B-Henriques-and-Andrew-Lehren
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is this michael an idiot or what?
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PLEASE kill my wife. I want to so bad, but I didn’t like prison.
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Yeah, but mostly because I’d be disturbed to find out I had one.
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It isn’t nice to shoot other people’s wives, and your very suggestion is evidence enough that your own moral standards are not only flexible, but actually bent. Historically, most people in your position are given to shooting their own wives, rather than other peoples’, and the belligerence and stupidity of your comment leaves me in no doubt that you’re the type with the appropriate equipment as well as the general inclination. I’ll bet you spend hours a night cleaning your many guns, wearing a grubby baseball cap, in your desperately nasty house. At least God saved you huh? Without Him, you’d be nothing, right?
Keep clinging to that thought. It’s pretty sad when you gotta invent something to keep you from being nothing.
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Ah yes, another example of the “love” and “forgiveness” of christianity.
How inspiring.
Jeez man, are threats and violence all you have?
You have my pity
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i believe that we should have our own moral standards, and not those forced upon us by a (sometimes corrupt) church.
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I wouldn’t mind – she’s killing my wallet.. so it’s an eye for an eye – hey that’s in the Bible somewhere too.
Maybe these beings are one and the same? .. no probably not, I’d be more inclined to believe:
Q: If God (Christian) created everything – what created God?
A: FSM
Sorted
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Woah, guys, you killed my scroll bar with your millions of posts xD
And since when do we have “flimsy moral standards”?
Oh, and if you killed my “wife”, good sir you would be in soooo much trouble. So don’t try it. =)
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@ Lexi – actually we are allowed to have flimsy moral standards if we want to – but only with consenting adults – see the eight “I’d rather you didn’t”’s in wikipedia.
:)
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I thought that we had flimsy moral standards because two of the original “I’d really rather you didn’ts” got lost.
I often get a feeling of “I’m sure there’s a reason why I shouldn’t be doing this but can’t think what it is”.
I think I might have got a bit of spaghetti sauce in my moral compass…
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You are very probably right – sorry!
It was early!
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Jan 13th, 2007 at 5:16 am
“I thought that we had flimsy moral standards because two of the original “I’d really rather you didn’ts†got lost.”
Not totally sure off hand Captain, but I believe Captain Mosey was stumbling drunk whilst carrying them down the hill, dropping two and breaking them.
Kind of like in….was it “History of the World PT 1″ or one of the Python movies?
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Totally off topic (well, I suppose it counts under flimsy moral standards!) but have you lot seen this…
http://www.ohmibod.com
:) I want one!
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Nikkiee,
Yeah I think its Mel Brooks:
“I bring you these 15″ Crash Tinkle “Errm 10 Commandments”
Something like that.
Must dash, eldest has a swimming lesson and all good pirates should know how to swim.
What we lack in morals we more than make up for by being practical.
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I’m going to assume now that you are a Christian of some sort, in which case you wouldn’t be able to shoot my wife, you know, the whole “thou shalt not kill” thing. Alright.
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If you really want to shoot my wife I’m sure his Noodliness would forgive you. I certainly would.
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@Ian
ha ha ha ha… funny, if somewhat disturbing. I hope you’re just being bitterly sarcastic.
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I hope somebody notified the FBI about this guy.
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Hm. Although nobody reads this far down, I dont have a wife, and this is SEVERELY lacking in ANY sort of moral argument, i feel the need to hurt you emotionally (and maybe physically, in time).
IF YOU WERE TO SHOOT MY WIFE…
I would first come to your house while you were out, and steal a hair from your pillow. This will be useful later.
I would then track you down at some sort of social gathering, where you would be most humilliated; where I would spend the evening throwing small but UNBELEIVABLY sharp peices of broken glass and metal splinters at you, which would not injure you but prove severely annoying, especially as you you wont be able to work out where they were coming from.
When you go home, I will be waiting there with…
A time machine
A video camera
A pirate hat
A knife
Several bendy straws
Some rope
A bigger knife
A delicious plate of spaghetti with meatballs
A catapult
A Brass band
Two folding chairs
AND a six pack of beer.
The six pack, the spaghetti, and one of the folding chairs are for me. The camera is set up in the corner, recording. I would then jump out at you from behind the door (you are distracted by the strange assortment of items on your living room floor), cut your achilles tendons, and watch you crawl around bleeding for a bit. Then, i would Tie you to a chair using the rope, then use the bigger knife to cut your torso open, and drape your intestines around your neck. We with both be surprised at how long you stay conscious whilst i eat my spaghetti with meatballs and liten to the brass band, currently playing a jaunty pirate song. I put on my pirate hat, and then throw one remaining meatball down your throat. You will start choking. I then stand up, and proceed to cut out your organs, and craftily arrange them with straws of different lengths, fashioning them into crude wind intruments. The lungs will work surprisingly well as bag-pipes.
We then parade down the street, put your mangled corpse in the catapult, and launch you over the horizon.
Oh Dear. I think I went TOO FAR then. (for this bit to work, you will have to assume that time is NOT linear.)
That is what the time machine and video camera are. I take the camera, get in my time machine, and go back to the moment when you are born; where i take the hair, as before mentioned, and grow several clones of you. I then go forwards in time, to just before you shoot my wife, offer you cake, and we will sit down and watch the video, titled “what happens if you shoot my wife”. I am assuming that you will avoid doing so.
If not, I will show you your clones, and threaten to kill them in equally gruesome ways. That should sort it out.
Hmm. that took too long.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s the most awesome thing I’ve ever heard.
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Well thankyou- but i just noticed i didnt use the six-pack of beer.
Just fit it in somewhere around where i am sitting in the chair eating spaghetti.
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Super-Duper site! I am loving it!! Will come back again – taking you feeds also, Thanks.
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“”If I were to shoot your wife, would you have a problem with that?”"
i might not, but the police and court/jugde probably will u MOTHERFUCKING WIFE KILLER!!!!! MY YOUR BURN AND ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.
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