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-Mr. Frodo
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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@Ediacara
Hi,
Just a very naîve question… Since the jewish are, in old & new testament, the choosen people of “godâ€, are the italians the choosen people of the FSM?? and so the shepards of pastafarism?? That would be scarry (Materazzi beeing an italian).
Thanks for your answer,
Excuse my spelling,
An evolutionist
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I wouldn’t put too much faith in that idea. The Chinese made noodles first. Apparently China was the first place the FSM deamed worthy of creating objects in his likeness, not Italy. Unfortunately that is still a somewhat scary thought.
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im not a believer but my mate is, and he seems to think that young Mr Frodo is very insulting, please apologise, dumbass.
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monkeys are belivers
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i did not just post the above message, i was forced off my computer and someone eles wrot it, honest
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I left the office a little late today and decided, unusually so, to skip my tradtional end-of-work beer. Last night my post-work-pint turned into a bit of a bender, as I was kidnapped by a Spaniard who kindly introduced me to the basics of his lanuage, which happens to be closely related to many Western European languages. Anyhow, I was waking home and I crossed a rather large, open square, the name of which escapes my rather temperamental memory, but I noticed that the square was gently sloped on all sides towards the middle, to facilitate drainage of course. I rapidly crossed the square and slipped into my local grocery store and picked up a half kilo of pork and beef mince, some fresh tomatoes, some closed cup mushrooms, an onion, some garlic and some spaghetti. I cut the onion in half, slice the tomatoes and half of the mushrooms, and then blend them in the food processor with half a clove of garlic and some paprika. I gently fry the other half of the onion, with the rest of the mushrooms and garlic, all diced. After they have been slightly browned I add the beef and pork mince (beef and pork together add a somewhat more enjoyable flavour I find) and wait until it has browned before adding the sauce. Then turn the heat down and leave to reduce while cooking the pasta, adding salt to both, and a dash of wine or stout ale to the sauce. After ten minutes the pasta is ready and I sit down to enjoy the first spaghetti bolognese I have had in months. Feeling very full, I light my digestive cigarette (apparently a cigarette after dinner promotes a breathing pattern that is condusive to digestion) and begin to contemplate the days events over a cup of mint tea. Then it hits me. Proof of both Intelligent Design and Evolution. Evolution: Spanish and English, as well as French and Italian, share many similarities, in fact you can directly trace the roots of modern French back to Latin, basically a completely different language, and thus we have proof of evolution, thanks to my Spanish acquaintance. As sentient beings, we have evolved over the ages, even if only on a societal level (though there also appears to be proof of physical evolution, we have grown taller and our skulls are becomng narower, but that is by the by, evolution has been proved) to optimise and ameliorate our communicative skills, as well as adding our own personal touches (slang) to the language, thus EVOLVING into the cultures that we now see prevailing in Western Europe. As for intelligent desgin, well some clever guy realised you save a lot of hassle and mess by sloping the sides of your squares and putting a drain in the middle and hey presto! your drainage needs are solved and you don’t need to worry about puddles appearing everywhere. Now THAT’S intelligent design if ever I saw it. Sorry for that. Just felt touched by the Noodly Appendage and had to share.
RAmen
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bravo, Fred. didn’t Dawkins once say that he believed in intelligent design of man-made things? indeed, i say that all man-made objects should be intelligently designed, else they become useless. but living things work in ways that inanimate, man-made things do not, and thusly can mutate and evolve, as has been observed.
welcome to the noodley brotehrhood.
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Sounds like wisdom to me matey, why bother making something useless! And why exist if you can’t constantly strive to be a better person, and improve yourself and your world. Hope you enjoyed the recipe for bolognese too, I guess as Pastafarians we should share our knowledge of the art of creating the divine dish of sustenance, and introduce each other to the new and wonderful ways in which pasta can be served, kind of like the Ten Condiments.
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@Parmesanity – you’re right. We are tolerant in the UK. How long will it last for though?
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The British Nationalist Party are gaining ground in traditional working class areas.
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Faith schools are appearing like rashes. They, along with the independent schools, are rejecting the national curriculum. We had race riots in Oldham a few years ago and now there seems to have been a spate of race related murders.
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Bring back the USSR, at least everyone knew who we should be scared of then.
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Seriously, I fear for this country (UK). The atmosphere of hate and mistrust that exists behind closed doors is bloody scary.
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I blame the tabloides, there all hate mongering scum and a disturbing percentage of Brits take there word as Gospel. The tabloides pander to the fundamentalists and its time they were held accountable.
May noodly tendrils loosen their hold over us
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Neofelis -mew, mew, purr. Never a truer word spoken!
RAmen
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I hate Cyber Drama.Mr.Frodo,
you have my pitty.
RAman
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For Fred and anyone else interested- the words of a Dunesbury comic strip:
Patient: Can it be cured?
Doctor: Depends. Are you a creationist?
Patient: Why?
Doctor: I’m going to give you the choice of choosing your type of treatement. Treat it the way it was before antibiotics, or as the multiple med resistant strain it has since evolved into.
Patient: what are the new drugs like?
Doctor: They’re intelligently designed.
^_^
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@ anna
i love that, and i like your thinking. i also have a question for all of you,
Raspberry said Quote:go find a friend u non beleiver. 1, she did not spell believer right, (i don’t think i did either) and do you all think i should leave this site, because i only support this, but don’t follow the religion? I would like honest answers please, as i am not easly offended. (please exuse my spelling)
blessed be
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@Mr.Frodo- When the hell was someone going to tell me I had a time limit?!?! By his noodly appendage, I’ve wasted so much time!! What was I thinking?
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Skittles, I don’t think that anyone here would desire for a supporter of the one true religion(even one who happens to be a non-believer) to leave. I’m glad that you’re not easily offended, as it shows that not all religious people are so weakminded and insecure in their own beliefs that something like a few other people’s dissent shake their beliefs to the point that they abandon good grammar and rationality(what little they have). RAmen
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is mr. frodo your real name or are you a Lord of the Rings loser
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Freds delicious and amusing antics have reminded me of my own pasta apiffical experience. I was draged by my friends to a small french resturaunt they had been frequenting. I had one of the finest plates of pasta know to man: angle hair pesto. It was quite evident that the noodles were homeade, as the texture was noticably finer. The pesto was made with garden grown basil, and various exotic spices which names eluded me. I knew after consuming the glorious meal, that the amusing thing they said to me before going was true.
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They told me they found God through the food.
RAmen
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A science teacher walks into a classroom of thirty YEC students. The teacher says, “I was going to discuss the difference between evolution and creationism, but then I realized I didn’t want to have to explain it THIRTY TIMES.”
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@ Mr. Happypants,
i thank you for your kind words. yes it is true i am a religious person, but i am not here to spread my faith. I am here to learn about yours ^_^
blessed be
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Welcome aboard Skittles.
May you be forever touched by His Noodly Appendage!
If you so choose.
RAmen
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Hi Guys,
As a Brit I love my country and I’m very disturbed when I see the creep back of religion into places it has no right to be. I’ve long believed that the only good religion is a dead religion.
As has been mentioned by others we have an increase in the number of faith schools in the UK, these schools have their ciriculums dictiated by the government, but can be altered to suit the faith involved. It should also be pointed out that these schools are not paid for by the faiths in question but by the government from our taxes, so basically we are paying to have children indoctrinated into faith. It has been proven that faith schools are devisive, just look at what happened in Northern Ireland where children where either brought up catholic or protestant. I make no claims of innocence for Britain when it comes to Ireland, though many Americans have much to answer for in their funding of terrorist groups. But those troubles would have been sorted long before if there had been more common ground and understanding. Bringing children up together in mixed schools has been shown to help. The more they see of different people around then, the less they see the difference and the more they see the people.
I suppose I should also mention that in recent surveys about two thirds of the british electrorate opposed faith schools.
Though if Bobby ever managed to make enough money he could actually found a City Academy in Britain based on FSM.
We sit in front of our PCs and talk about what’s wrong with the world, wouldn’t it be nice if we could funnel some of that energy and really change the world.
PS Bobby, some of us are using public access pcs and could do with a sign off function so that we aren’t leaving our account open to abuse. Thanks
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unfortunately PM Blair is supporting faith schools, though i can’t understand why. maybe when the criminal Bush is deposed from the white house, Blair will stop acting like the proverbial leech clinging to his arse.
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if only.
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The UK used to be a fantastic place and looking at the rise in secularisation it could’ve been potentially great with a rational and scientific explain of society and the world. However, looking at demographic studies by people such as Kaufmann, it seems as if there’l be a re-sacrilisation of this society because religious people tend to have higher birth rates than atheists. Following this logically it means that if the offspring of the religious people continue to follow their parents’ religions (either blindly, by questioning using what they think is rationally or just by being indoctrinated (as stated in Chapter 1 of “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins)) then the theistic population will once again rise.
Also, if you look at the growth of NRMs (New Raligous Movements) and NAMs (New Age Movements) then this shows that religion and blind faith are still prominent in society. I would like to further point out that some NRMs can be extremely harmful to the individual e.g. Jim Jones and the People’s Temple and also the Life Foundation – http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1951502,00.html .
Something for you to ponder and debate here – the other day i asked my philosophy teacher if she that is was possible that if some people who believed in religion that had been indoctrinated into believing in that particular religion (contemporary example of Islam and a classical example of Catholicism). Her reply was that she believed that she found religious indoctrination (or any kind of indoctrination)acceptable if the indoctrinated person was morally acceptable.
The following day the philosophy class were having a discussion about what God is and whether it is possible for it to exist and the inconsistant triad. Again, I put my hand up to answer. This time I used His Noodliness and Pastafarianism as an example to explain my point about the illogicity of belief in God. My teacher replied “Well, I’ve never heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and because it sounds so silly (noodly appendages and noodles in the sky) I doubt that your argument has any validity.” My reply was “Pastafarianism is a legitamate religion and haas over two million followers, how can you not say that it is valid?” Then she blanked me and moved onto another person in the class.
Now, forgive me for thinking this but if we have people teaching “philosophy” (or rather theology – as we are generally being taught our teacher’s watered down version of Catholicism), a subject where a person is meant to explore all avenues and use the strongest arguments to find the truth (as science does), what hope is there for developing our ideas if teachers like this are allowed to preach their religious views and masquerade it as philosophy?
Just a few thoughts there, your replies would be most welcome.
Thanks, Brad.
May His Noodliness have mercy on us all.
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I’ve seen what indoctrination can do to people, I’m sure everybody here has. In know way do I think it’s a good thing for any religion to be allowed to indoctrinate people and the state should most definitly not help them.
In the UK Dr Sentamu has again been calling for religion to take a stronger control influence and control of law and politics. He seems to be calling for the start of a theocracy. The last time we had that kind of thing in this country was over 400 years ago and it lead to suffering and executions on a mssive scale. It’s almost ironic that Sentamu chooses to quote William Pitts on the abuse of power. Personally I see Dr Sentamu as the publicity officer for a failing business. The Church of England is loosing followers fast. The only churchs in this country that are growing are the scary evangelical ones, like the Calvery Chapel that my own brother belongs to. Though the growth of evangelical churchs is still less than the growth in atheism.
I recently found myself arguing online with someone who claimed that Dr Sentamu spoke for the majority of this countries population, this particular individual would not answer me when I asked him what gave him the right to claim know what the majority think. Ironically this person was also an avid supporter of the BNP.
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sorry, mr. Frodo, shall I go to mass tonight instead of sleeping? mabye I should spend my sundays going to THE SAME christian church watching and listening to the SAME BORING services based on the SAME 2000, no wait, 1600? year old book, giving money to a charity which will help confuse others and pull people away from the important things in life like fighting disease at the risk of some DEAD 2000 year olds, who no longer have the brain to think, to think that we are going against the SAME old gods laws…
PS theres a church round the corner, bloody CoE, with a painting above the door (its a huge one too) showing jebus burning down a completely metallic city (and those who are trying to protect it) and a select few running to the green grass around it… is that the kind of thing you stand for, because that painting is an act of terror, I used to be scared of that thing as a kid. terror is the sword of the christians, and the muslims, and perhaps the jews aswell. So you see, our time may truly be productive, If we can bring people to mock you and ignore you, your methods of trror will be made useless and lame like your president, and people will be able to choose their religion by themselves, no forced religion from parants, or peers, or propoganda, just comedy, and humour and laughter will rule the religions, and philosophy and your way of life. so can you yet see, mr.frodo, you are holding us back, watch some blasphemous comedy and learn some blasphemace science…
*walks away swearing under breath*
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Religion has always used fear and terror to get their way.
I did hear that at one point some sections of the early church used teach reincarnation. They stopped when they realised that it didn’t scare people into giving them money. So they stole the ideas of Elysium and Tartarus from the Greek mythology and grossly simplified it to give them Heaven and Hell.
As to the origins of the bible, anyone want to tell me why the earliest versions of the new testament that I’ve ever heard of come from the 2nd century? Why is there no gospel according to Jesus, if he was a rabi and a teacher as was claimed then he should have been able to read and write in several languages.
By the way, yes Hexhunter the Jews have used terror, look at the old testament and you will find many cases of it. Jericho is a prime example. Anyone with a reasonable knowledge of military engineering could tell you that what they actually did was march round the walls making a racket while they had a bunch of people undermining the walls, but telling their enemies that their god is powerful enough to tear down a city walls is much more useful. It keeps your enemies afraid of you.
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Quite true, my UK brothers Jon E, H. narans, and brad. The Troubles are more than simply a religious one, or a political one, and education is surely the key. The good news. Tony Blair is on his way out, for whatever reasons. Is this time to rejoice? Maybe the new PM will be the catalyst for positive change, maybe not. Time will tell, as they say. Only His Noodly Master knows for sure.
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For brad, thanks for the gaurdian link. Sad wot religion can do to some people simply looking for meaning in their lives. But I’m afraid the UK has a long and storied history of atrocities on a much grander scale that we are still trying to live down. I won’t go into detail here, but having said that, is one of the reasons I left Old Blighty for The States. Little did I know wot crap politics I would find here. At least we have room to spread out. Finally, have you signed Richard Dawkins petition to rid the UK of secular schools? This new movement of introducing ID into schools is pure bollocks! I don’t have the link readily available, but I would be glad to if you request.
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Ramen brothers and cheers mates
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to rid the UK of secular schools?
do you not mean rid the UK of sectarian schools?
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but i do agree with everything these latest posts have said. keep religion in RE lessons, and keep science in science lessons. everyone will be happier (and better-informed) that way.
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Haven’t seen the Dawkins petition yet, but I will happily sign it. I’ve already had a go at the organisation behind trying to introduce ID into UK schools, they call themselves Truth In Science, though personally I’ve taken to calling them Lies Instead Of Science. One of their founders is a friend of my brother, who is completely taken in by this nonsense, I had asked them a few questions using a far more anonymous tag than the one I use here. All I got back where the usual lies and claims of having real science to back up their claims. I’ve still to see and science that backs up ID.
One thing that’s been bouncing round my head for a while is the irriducable complexity of the mouse trap. Behe didn’t really think this one out to well. All the parts for the mousetrap were pre-existing and also if you look at a mousetrap doesn’t it remind you of a simplified crossbow, and from there we can say that it’s descended from the bow, through slings and stick throwers to the spear and then the thrown rock to the rock in someones hand and eventually to the fist.
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@ Brad – That link about the Life Foundation was scary, particularly because I can see how someone, even myself under a different set of circumstances, could become engangled in such a group. I have apparently had a semi-cult experience by attending 12-step meetings for years after I stopped drinking alcohol (and other mind-altering substances.) I recently saw a website that lists the ways A.A. is a cult, and, although the Fellowship absolutely does good things for people, it really does seem to have a lot in common with bonafide cults. I never really fit in at A.A., because I refused to give up my entire life in the pursuit of only Fellowship-related activities. I had a dream once that I went to an A.A. retreat and they took away my clothes and put me on an island of bleachers in the middle ofa huge gymnasium. In that dream, my worst fears were confirmed, that A.A. was a cult. Well, anyway it helped me to stop living the way I was living. It’s almost 19 years later, and I still am “clean.” I haven’t been to a meeting in years, and I consider myself just a normal person. I feel poorly for Paul because at one time or another in many people’s lives, we desperately need help. When that help turns destructive it is like a double-whammy of sadness and pain.
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H. narrans
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You are correct, sir, sectarian schools. My bad.
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RE: SaucyWench
The scary thing is when you look at modern day cults is that looking at older cults, they become denominalised, such as Methodism (Christianity). In fact all major world religions at some point would, using contemporary classifications, have been classed as a cult. This shows that a few factors may have happened:
a) The cult has watered down it’s beliefs and values e.g. Christianity.
b) The “extreme” values of the cult may have been accepted within society.
c) The cult has gained political power and taken control off the state e.g. Nazism.
Whilst I am saying this, I think I need to may the point that I am not saying that all religions/denominations are negative as some can offer positive things such as tension management. However, looking at the older cult type groups and the power, status and recognition that they have received it is easy to see where some modern day cults could possibly end up in the future.
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Also if you want to look at a cult that is just as bad as teaching ID in schools look at this website
http://www.rael.org
However, if you want something noodly look at
http://www.hipponoodles.com
RAmen
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@Jon E
@Bobby
Aloha,
I quite liked what you said about doing something J, though sadly I don’t have time to rread all theposts on here, I suggest, with Bobby’s permission/endorsement, the first meeting of the Pastafarians, where we can start to make this movement progressive. Bobby might have started it to stop the teaching of unproven scriptures as fact, but I think it would be a very good idea to devote some time and energy solving the problems of today. Part of my job is event management, and I would be more than happy to help plan this event, though of course only if the FSM wishes it. After the nitty and gritty we can always bring out the beer and pasta.
Take care!
RAmen
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I agree with all comments about UK faith schools being a backward step, I am totally against them. I am pleased to say my Daughter’s school is nominally C of E (which is a default setting for UK schools, meaning no actual religion, or arguably a weak wishywashy one). What disturbs me a bit is that the pre school curriculum for a 3 year old includes lessons on every tradition from every major religion, they just did a load of stuff on Diwali, which is a Hindu thing (er…or is it Sikh? Indian at any rate). The idea seems to be to include all faiths and traditions in order to be fair; whereas of course the easiest and fairest way to handle religion is to take it out of schools altogether, like the French do.
It also seems to be the case that religion and religious groups are on the rise in the UK, which is another backwards step. I am consoled by something Dawkins wrote which was that if you added all the athiests together they would form a lobby of equal or greater influence than any faith group. Are we motivated enough to be organised, I wonder.
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“What disturbs me a bit is that the pre school curriculum for a 3 year old includes lessons on every tradition from every major religion”
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Actually, if done correctly this seems like a very good idea to me. I’ve always been upset that when religion enters schools it always seems to be Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Where does Buddhism, Hinduism, and Pastafarianism fit into all this? If you learn about many different religions, it will give you a better understanding of different cultures and the world as a whole.
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“Dawkins wrote which was that if you added all the athiests together they would form a lobby of equal or greater influence than any faith group. Are we motivated enough to be organised, I wonder.”
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One thing you should ask yourself is would this lobby be any better than the faith groups. If the goal is to keep theists from forcing their beliefs into places they don’t belong, then I would be all for it. If on the other hand, it starts trying to force Atheism on others, then they’re no better than the faith groups. I would be very critical of them if they tried using political power to outlaw churches, street evangalists, etc.
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It would be safest to have an entirely non-partisan lobby, promoting nothing other than the tolerance of all creeds, or lack thereof, a lobby that entitles each and everyone to their own opinions, and one which seeks to ensure that people aren’t pressurised by persons or institutions seeking to force their will on others.
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I disagree that the teaching of all faiths in UK schools is of value. Nowhere in the curriculum is it taught that these various religions are all based entirely on *fantasy*. Dawkins makes much of the major religions’ expectation that they should be accorded respect, and society’s willingness to do so, when there is no rational reason why we should. If this is true, why are we colluding with the fundamentalists and allowing our children to be taught to show respect to these delusions? As long as the societal taboo of “thou shalt not mock, or even comment on, another’s delusional faith” remains unbroken, these organisations will continue to have an undue, unwarranted and dangerous level of influence over our lives and politics.
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I say enough. Lobby parliament to either a) remove religious education from the curriculum or b) make RE teachers tell the truth – *all* religions are fairy-tales.
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I reckon it should be taught, it seems ridiculous not to teach people about a phenomenon that has endured since before recorded history, but it should be taught objectively as a study of literature and sociolgy, and not forced on people. People should be free to make up their minds, just as they should be free to choose what they study, and faith schools, although potentially a “time bomb waiting to go off” can also, if managed properly, can simply create a proper environment for like minded people to debate and question their beliefs, as well as further their study, unlike mixed faith schools where prejudice and bullying can arise due to someone’s personal choices. IMHO. RAmen
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@Davey
Option (a) is acceptable, but option (b) simply is not. While I do not believe any religion is actually right, I also can not deny the possibility that they are completely wrong. In the end making teachers denounce all religions will make you no better than the fundamentalists and will upset some teachers who will fight back an just cause more trouble.
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I will continue to hold the belief that teaching students about the worlds major religions is not a bad thing, if only for gaining perspective of other cultures. It also gives them choices in what they want to believe, which should be a personal choice.
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I don’t agree with faith schools. It’s bad for everybody. I mean, the kids at the faith school are isolated from other religions while the kids at the secular schools don’t know how to deal with people that have faith.
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The second reason is that they breed intolerance by two methods. The first is the obvious indocteration into hatred on religious grounds that is rumoured to occur.
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The third is not so obvious, but faith schools hinder religion (this may be a plus point). My mother went to a catholic school run by nuns. Apparently it was terrible, the students were bullied day in day out by the nuns and when she left she had developed a terrible revulsion of religion. When we ask her now if she would be more disappointed in her kids if they were religious or gay she refuses to answer. I thought that this was an isolated incident confined to the UK or at the most the western world until one day when I was speaking to a Hindu friend (and the only reason I know anything about Hinduism) he divulged that his mother had a deep seated hatred of Christians because she went to a convent school on the other side of the world, where she was bullied by nuns on a regular basis.
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@ Beastly Rich
Sometimes isolation is better, as it stops children from sacrificing their private beliefs due to peer pressure or violence from others. It only breeds intolerance and hatred if led by the intolerant and hateful and faith schools can of course hinder education or religious progression, but again only when mismanaged, and bullying is in no way part of religion, hence the nuns that perpetrate these acts are quite clearly not educated in religion. Religion is no bad thing, except when placed into the hands of vicious people, but this is true of anything, money, politics, charity, technology, even education. There is no hateful religion, only hateful people.
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@Fred,
Sometimes isolation is better, as it stops children from sacrificing their private beliefs due to peer pressure or violence from others at an age when children are much more likely to be assholes to each other.
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@Saucywench
I know what you mean about AA, NA etc my brother goes and i am increasingly concerned about the control they excert over him, guilt tripping him every time he misses a meeting and telling him that he needs them or he will start using again and telling him that he cant go on holiday with his family because he wont be able to go to meetings. Whilst the whole time using pseudo-scientific dogma to endorse their claims.
@Parmasanity
your observations about C of E schools may be true of some but at the one i went to i was singled out as the only non chrisrian in the school and ridiculed in front of my peers by the teachers for being decended from monkeys. I was also told that i would go to hell for not beleiving in god. Seems like pretty hard core stuff to tell a small child to me.
@Fred
while i do agree with you that many religous people are well meaning and it only becomes hatefull when being manipulated by hatefull leaders i do not agree that “it is no bad thing”. surely all misinformation (e.g. religion) is a bad thing and can only hinder the progress of society whilst leaving many decent people easily manipulated by their unscrupulous and/or insane leaders.
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@ Mad John Kidd
Thank you, i i really do feel honored
blessed be
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@Neofelis
Do you really mean all religions are bad, or just the theistic ones? Where exactly do secular religions like Zen Buddhism and some sects of Taoism fit into your views on religion?
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@Just Guess
you are right to pull me up on this, there is of course a huge difference between theistic religions and the ones mentioned above. I have often thought that if i had to choose a religion it would be Buddhism as the lifestyle and morality are virtually identical to my own. While such religions are not included in my bad list (my apologies for the earlier generelisation) i see no need for them as i beleive that a proggresive and conscienscous society can function very well without any form of religion. That is not to say that i do not beleive in their right to live their lives this way, because i absolutely do, but it seems to me that any religious overtones, no matter how worthy the ideals behind them are ultimately pointless extras which are still open to manipulation
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I never understood the point of faith schools in the first place. Religion is taught–some would say indoctronated–to you by your parents, your temple/church, so on; it’s your own decision after that as to whether you actually believe or not. It’s a personal choice, so I can’t see how it fits into a school situation at all. After all, if you limit yourself to only being around people of your religion, then you’re hardly gonna be prepared for the real world once your schooling is up. The only times religion should be mentioned at ALL in school is in a world history type of class, where they make up an important part of what you learn, or a class where the entire purpose is to discuss topis such as religion. Having an entire school for a certain faith seems to me to be a complete waste of tax money.
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Gill,
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It’s pretty simple. Religion does not do well when faced with alternate views and honest debate. By insulating children in religious schools, they are less likely to be swayed because they are less likely to be exposed to alternate views.
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OEJ
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One Eyed Jack– Good point. Makes me feel bad for the kids stuck in those schools then; they’re in for a bit of a rude awakening once school lets out, eh?
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