FSM Money Stamp

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Nick Jones came up with this FSM money stamp. It covers up “In God We Trust” and replaces it with “In Pasta We Trust”. I like it.

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BoingBoing had a post a while ago showing a tiny stamp to strike out the word “God” from paper money:

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Which prompted Kim Moser to suggest the following FSM stamp:

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Here’s what I want to know: how many people would be interested in a money stamp? We could have them made if there’s enough interest.

654 Responses to “FSM Money Stamp”
  1. 1 - Jingles - Nov 20th, 2006

    Pastariffic!
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    Though isn’t defacing currency illegal?

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  2. 2 - Josh - Nov 20th, 2006

    see also http://www.godoffmoney.com/

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  3. 3 - TRIX - Nov 20th, 2006

    This rocks. US money is bland, that’s why they put god on it, so we could deface it.
    Countries like Canada, our money is very nice looking, so we don’t put god on it.
    I’d pay money for a stamp, but I’m broke (moth flies out of wallet)
    If I go around and preach in the name of FSM, can I get one to promote?

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  4. 4 - Beth - Nov 20th, 2006

    I would totally buy a stamp with the great FSM on it. Especially if it was interchangeable

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  5. 5 - Nick the Infidel - Nov 20th, 2006

    Interchaneable with what?

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  6. 6 - Mad John Kidd - Nov 20th, 2006

    I like the idea, but I wonder how effective at spreading the word it would be. You stamp the bills, spend them at the shop, the shop’s daily take is deposited in the bank, and the bank promptly shreds the bills to keep defaced tender out of circulation. Just a thought. Still like the idea though.

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  7. 7 - Jenkins - Nov 20th, 2006

    You should definately mass produce FSM stamps! That would be awesome. But I, too, was wondering if that would be illegal..

    But if you make it I’ll buy. :)

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  8. 8 - Mighty Pirate Kalypso - Nov 20th, 2006

    I would love a stamp just to put on anything. Not just money. FSM stamps on everything! Haha!

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  9. 9 - Hunter of Gods - Nov 20th, 2006

    I’m curious how large this Flying Spaghetti Menace is. The Jesus hunt was OK but the guy turned out to be such a pussy that the end was more like putting him out of his misery than ridding the word of a dangerous character. This noodly guy looks like he might be more tough and I’m going to propose him for a future hunt. To do this, I need to estimate what kind of ammunition is best to deal with Him. 308? 50 BMG? Do I need to move up to RPG’s with thermobaric warheads? Your cooperation will be appreciated.

    Please don’t try to insult me by claiming your god is invincible. I’ve heard it all before about thousands of Gods that don’t exist anymore.

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  10. 10 - Other - Nov 20th, 2006

    Please please make stamps! Then your site will have one-stop Christmas shopping for me!

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  11. 11 - Bosstone - Nov 20th, 2006

    I’d buy one.

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  12. 12 - The Gooeld - Nov 20th, 2006

    only if I can stamp you with it, big boy.

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  13. 13 - hexhunter - Nov 21st, 2006

    I’d buy one, it’s a great way to advertise without being seen vandalising, and from what I understand, th UK aren’t as fussy about it than the US is…

    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=717085

    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426715

    In UK the max penalty appears to be £200, but even more ridiculous, in the US you can get 6 months…

    if you make a rally small one thta fits in the corner, then that’d be ok i suppose, not defacing as much as ammending to, and if they say that religous views cannot be expressed on money, then they should get wikipedia to change us from a ‘parody’ religion to a real riligion…

    hey, americans, make sure you smuggle some propganda into the prison with you…

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  14. 14 - Jon E - Nov 21st, 2006

    In Britain we have Charles Darwin on the £10 note. I’d love to see the reaction if someone suggested putting him on US money.

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  15. 15 - Roderick - Nov 21st, 2006

    If Where’s George can put stuff on money, so should we. This sounds awesome and I would send in all my green to get stamped.

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  16. 16 - Nick the Infidel - Nov 21st, 2006

    “I would send in all my green to get stamped.”

    No Roderick were not that kind of religion, were proposing that you stamp your money at home. That way you still get to spend it.

    JonE, seriously, Darwin is on the 10 pound note? Thats awesome! We generally like to put old dead racists on our money.

    Apparently the apple can sometimes fall really really really really really really really far from the tree. We had the right idea around the revolutionary war, but how did you guys shoot light years ahead of us in this respect?

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  17. 17 - Homo narrans - Nov 21st, 2006

    putting Charles Darwin on the british £10 note was one of the best recent (well, a few years ago now) decisions of the british labour government.
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    but according to christian dogma, isn’t money intrinsically linked to Mammon, the arch-demon of profit? in fact, didn’t Jesus tell a wealthy man that in order to achieve peace he must give away all of his things?
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    so isn’t putting “in god we trust” on legal tender kind of…heretical? you know, i always thought that the Republican party was bankrolled by immortal manifestations of ancient cosmic evil. makes sense, in a way.

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  18. 18 - Davey - Nov 21st, 2006

    The UK has a tradition of scientists on banknotes – we used to have Isaac Newton on the one pound note, back when there were such things as one pound notes!

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  19. 19 - One Eyed Jack - Nov 21st, 2006

    Bad bad bad move.
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    I would endorse blacking out “In God We Trust”, but replacing it with the FSM and the website address is going to cause problems. Defacing US currency is an iffy area, but advertising a website on it is a definite no-no.
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    It won’t accomplish anything positive and will only create the image of the CoFSM as vandals.

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  20. 20 - Wench Nikkiee - Nov 21st, 2006

    I agree with you OEJ. Though I wouldn’t mind an FSM stamp to put to other use.
    RAmen

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  21. 21 - MellowTigger - Nov 21st, 2006

    I think Kim Moser’s minimalist version is ideal.

    One Eyed Jack: remove the images of the stamps being used on actual dollars, and I don’t see how it could be a problem. Maybe a money stamp is illegal (I don’t know, it might not be?), but a stamp surely isn’t.

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  22. 22 - One Eyed Jack - Nov 21st, 2006

    Sure, for any other use it would be fine. I’m all for it then.
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    OEJ

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  23. 23 - Penne - Nov 21st, 2006

    Maybe it should be a coin with the FSM on it instead.Pasta on one side, pirate fishy on the other.

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  24. 24 - ButtJester - Nov 21st, 2006

    I think you can do this without running afoul of the law. But IANAL. Here is a link decribing it though.
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    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426715
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    The trick is you can do it, you just can’t spend it afterward. You can’t do it with fraudulent intent. Remember all those penny smashers at the parks and fairs? Same thing. You just can’t try to spend it after…
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    Again IANAL. So Please do your own research, don’t just beleive me.
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  25. 25 - Biscuit - Nov 21st, 2006

    Make a stamp without a website. Sell for use on anything but money. Advertise it like this.

    “New FSM Stamp! Use it on letters, use it on people, use it to mark all that the FSM created including midgets!!! Just do not under any circumstance use it to cover up “in God We trust” on U.S. bills. This is illegal and not endorsed by the FSM. Seriously do not do this!”

    Of course then we will do just that because we have to! Oh yea and delete this post, its incriminating.

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  26. 26 - Blimey Blimey - Nov 21st, 2006

    Yarrr, I’d trade my left peg-leg for one o’ these!

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  27. 27 - moochie - Nov 21st, 2006

    “This sounds awesome and I would send in all my green to get stamped.”
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    No problems .. I’m happy to provide this service. Just send me all your money and I’ll ensure every note is spent carefully. Oops .. I meant ’stamped’ carefully. Silly typo .. hahaha .. ahem.

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  28. 28 - Gomez - Nov 21st, 2006

    That is just genius!

    I want one, despite the fact there would be no point here in the UK.

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  29. 29 - Pixel Pete - Nov 21st, 2006

    I don’t see any practical purpose for having a stamp for money seeing as you’re just going to spend it anyways.
    But to each his own I suppose.
    RAmen

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  30. 30 - Pixel Pete - Nov 21st, 2006

    And in case you were wondering, I don’t think that stamping money is illegal, I see it all the time.

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  31. 31 - Gnocci Man - Nov 21st, 2006

    I NEED one of those. badly. I could never stand our governments blatant support of one religion over another. why NOT “In FSM We Trust”?
    RAmen

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  32. 32 - Mike T - Nov 21st, 2006

    I’m all for the impetus behind the suggestion, but I’m not entirely sure that this is actually a great idea. It only takes one uninformed moron somewhere on the Net to blab to the world that this “bizarro cult” (as they would no doubt put it) is running an anti-America campaign by defacing money, and the “In God We Trust” label. As you well know by the volumes of hate mail the Prophet gets from the legions of moronic imbeciles out there, there would be all too many of these people who would actually believe that. The last thing this site needs is new torrents of abuse and bad P.R.

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  33. 33 - Rushing Zephyr - Nov 21st, 2006

    But it would be fighting for what we believe in! It’s like the holy I MEAN pasta wars, except without the war part!

    I would buy one and stamp every dollar I get with it.

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  34. 34 - Scorch - Nov 21st, 2006

    All my money shall display FSM.

    Pastafarian all the way!

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  35. 35 - TrueBeliever - Nov 21st, 2006

    @Pixel Pete
    And in case you were wondering, I don’t think that stamping money is illegal, I see it all the time.

    so do i, but its definately illegal, however, the government doesnt really enforce it except for destroying the money once it reaches a bank. They also wouldnt know who stamped the money unless they read this site, and even then they would just know stamps were being sold. They have more important things to do anyway. All money should be stamped w/HIS image.

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  36. 36 - Mobzilla - Nov 22nd, 2006

    I’d like one. I would definitely buy one and stamp my money as it rolled through.

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  37. 37 - Bill_S_Mi - Nov 22nd, 2006

    These guys do custom stamps cheaply. You can buy through their web site uploading a picture for the stamp. Various stamp types to choose from.

    http://www.rubberstampchamp.com

    I’ve bought from them and was very happy with their service.

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  38. 38 - LA Clay - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Who cares where George has been. It’s all about where the FSM IS!

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  39. 39 - Hal - Nov 22nd, 2006

    British money is like waaaay lame. We got a picture of the queen and on one we have the guy who built the first British train lines. BORING ! I WELCOME THE NOODLY LORD TO OUR CURRENCY ! I suggest a nice FSM right in that black circle (where the U.V queen is.

    May our human currency be blessed by his noodly appendage.

    ALL HAIL FSM :]

    -Hal

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  40. 40 - YOceedee - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Count me in on the stamp idea. Act locally, think globally!

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  41. 41 - Franz Woman - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Oh my yes!!!! I must have one.

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  42. 42 - Just Guess - Nov 22nd, 2006

    If my government is going to endorse a religion I believe it is our duty to correct them and put the FSM where He belongs on our currency.

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  43. 43 - Annie - Nov 22nd, 2006

    I have an “atheist money” stamp that I use, and while the money may eventually get destroyed, it is still frequently circulated a little before it finds its way to the bank. As for being illegal to stamp, I realize constitutional rights are in danger these days, but I see this as a free speech issue. The govt shouldn’t be endorsing any sort of god. They are lucky the FSM is a kind and benevolent sort who won’t smite them down.

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  44. 44 - The Cut Lass - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Sounds like a stocking stuffer to me. I would buy one. Especially if it had the website address on it.
    Having been a cashier, I can say from experience that stamped smaller bills would tend to stay in circulation longer. Although I think we would attract a fair amount of crit from kooks and fundies….I can’t help but think of all the happiness we would spread to those folks that have been looking for a community like this. My own joy is renewed daily when I consume the humor and digest the information and arguments for later use in debates with thin skinned zealots.
    So many Christians to spank, so little time.

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  45. 45 - Penne - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Lass! All this spanking and stuffing of stockings,your an FSMer after my own hart! -Smite-on sister!

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  46. 46 - Beastly Rich - Nov 22nd, 2006

    I’d love to know how much money the church makes from selling stuff and how much it costs to run this website.
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    I bought a T shirt :)

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  47. 47 - The Cut Lass - Nov 22nd, 2006

    @Penne: There’s a legend in my family about my parents attending a Unitarian swingers party (they claim they didn’t know until they got there….*rrright*). I’m hoping my husband and I can carry on the tradition with a group roll in the noodles.
    Anyone? Anyone?

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  48. 48 - Penne - Nov 22nd, 2006

    naughty;)

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  49. 49 - The Mighty Joshus - Nov 22nd, 2006

    I’m sure that I speak for the majority of my fellow Pastafarians in saying that this is pure genius! I’d definately buy a money stamp!

    Anyone think about the pledge either? “One Nation under Pasta”?

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  50. 50 - Just Guess - Nov 22nd, 2006

    I heard there was spanking and ’stuffing’ going on over here. How do I get in on the action?

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  51. 51 - Penne - Nov 22nd, 2006

    We accept cash,credit or PayPal.

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  52. 52 - Anna - Nov 22nd, 2006

    YES! Truly Awesome. A Must have. And not just for money.
    Tottally cool you guys have darwin on your money.

    “i always thought that the Republican party was bankrolled by immortal manifestations of ancient cosmic evil. makes sense, in a way.”
    Duh. Just look at Cheney and Rove. Totally Skelator. Not to mention Anne Coulter.

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  53. 53 - Just Guess - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Coulter = female Skeletor
    Cheney = the Penguin
    Rove = Stay Puff Marshmallow Man

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  54. 54 - Just Guess - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Actually it would be more accurate to say Rove = fat Lex Luthor

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  55. 55 - skeptick - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Good tidings Pastafarians! I have been reading the postings here with interest for about a week now and think you all are great (except for the moronic one-line posters who start shit but rarely, if ever, follow up with an intelligent rebuttal – as if they could).

    To answer the question about the proposed stamp: Yes! I would buy one and use it regularly (would prefer it without the URL).

    I already use a black marker to put a line through the ridiculous phrase ‘In god we trust’ and have done so for long time. And I personally don’t give a shit if it is ‘illegal’ to deface US currency. Let them try to prove I did it! Arrrrrr!!

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  56. 56 - Liz - Nov 22nd, 2006

    Can I get my money stamp in time for the Xmas money I give out and get? It completely rocks!

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  57. 57 - Anna - Nov 23rd, 2006

    I dunno… now that I think about it, Cheney kinda fits the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man figure. Innocent looking unless in a position to work mass destruction.

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  58. 58 - AloneWithTheGospel - Nov 23rd, 2006

    Ahah! If only it wasn’t against the law… I bet I could freak out som many people with that.
    I liked the coin idea, but that might be tiring and costly.
    Maybe someone could make a little coin cover that had the FSM on one side and a pirate fish on the other. That way you could sport you religion AND still spend to cash. Win win, if you ask me….

    AWTG

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  59. 59 - Just Guess - Nov 24th, 2006

    @Anna
    I’m convinced the Cheney would make an excellent Penguin. The first time I saw a picture of him with that wierd smirk he has I was instantly reminded of the Penguin from the 90’s Batman cartoons. Put the guy in tux and give him a top hat, umbrella, and cigarette holder and you’ll see what I mean.

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  60. 60 - ariel wollinger! - Nov 24th, 2006

    I WANT IT NOW!!!

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  61. 61 - Dr. Michael Martin - Nov 24th, 2006

    Interesting…..Very anti-Patriotic, doesn’t really concern me though. I’LL TAKE ONE!

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  62. 62 - Dr. Michael Martin - Nov 24th, 2006

    This is probably the funniest project I’ve ever done guys….thanks for the laugh :).

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  63. 63 - Mike Meier - Nov 24th, 2006

    I want two. One for me, and one for some lucky person’s Dec25 stocking.

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  64. 64 - Mike Meier - Nov 24th, 2006

    I believe the fraud factor in those laws concerns changing currency or coins so as to make them appear to have another value. Such as, file down a penny to trick vending machines into thinking it was a dime. Or so an US Mint metallurgist told me. Not the same as a lawyer, but I was satisfied.

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  65. 65 - Anna - Nov 24th, 2006

    Does the coin on a string trick still work with the newer machines?

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  66. 66 - Jay Kay JOEY - Nov 25th, 2006

    I would definitely buy one.

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  67. 67 - matt - Nov 25th, 2006

    i must have one fsm be praised

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  68. 68 - Joe Z - Nov 26th, 2006

    I’d buy one fo sho.

    Arrrgh!

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  69. 69 - MoonEcho - Nov 26th, 2006

    I would gladly buy one!

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  70. 70 - Penne - Nov 26th, 2006

    Be careful what you say about Cheney,…….it’s hunting season.

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  71. 71 - Meow_Mix - Nov 27th, 2006

    Make the stamp not so big, I’d like just a small FSM emblem covering the word God. Make sure you hand it too the cashier touched-side-up!^^

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  72. 72 - DiKFeR - Nov 27th, 2006

    I believe the legality of stamping money is covered on the Where’s George website. Here is the text!”

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    Defacement of Currency

    Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

    Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service. Their mailing address is:

    United States Secret Service
    950 H Street, NW
    Washington, DC 20223.

    The United States Secret Service web address is http://www.secretservice.gov.

    #####

    I think, IMHO, that the “with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued” section pretty much makes it OK! :)

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  73. 73 - jesus christ - Nov 27th, 2006

    did the good dock just say that this is unpatriotic. wow.
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    dude, its just a dollar bill. i am proud to be an american, but a dollar bill isn’t the reason why. i guess it is completely unamerican to make fun of money. yea right.
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    if a brit were to make fun of the pound, would he be considered an enemy of the kingdom.
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    how stupid

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  74. 74 - Penne - Nov 27th, 2006

    Yes,jesus .He was just being a dick as usual.-If I had a knob like(him) that on my door,I’d never have problems with Mormons again.

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  75. 75 - jesus christ - Nov 27th, 2006

    i guess the good doctor loves money a little too much, even if its just a small amount of it.

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  76. 76 - Bike Mike - Nov 27th, 2006

    I work at convenience store, and we’ve been looking for something to stamp onto bills.

    DO IT!!!!

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  77. 77 - Antiblaze - Nov 27th, 2006

    I’d definatly get one.

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  78. 78 - Sharpur - Nov 28th, 2006

    I don’t claim a detailed legal knowledge on this subject, but I saw a documentary a few years ago about an artist who hand-drew replicas of US$ notes. The Treasury wanted to prosecute him, but since he never tried to pass them as currency, they failed. Instead he offered them to people as original art-works and asked them to set whatever value they wished on them.

    Secondly, if we had “FSM Bucks” and exchanged them among willing participants, we’d be no more breaking the law than any other currency system. Small communities already do this: Swapping tokens for goods and services in a local economy.

    Finally, couldn’t we have FSM chocolate money? Yum.

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  79. 79 - The Flying Spaghetti Monster - Nov 28th, 2006

    I do not demand that stamps are made. I suggest it, so people will convert so they can enjoy the bountiful beer volcanoes and the epic stripper factory…

    RAmen.

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  80. 80 - senator garlic and basil - Nov 28th, 2006

    hell yeah make them, and all the sauce and parmesan would be upon you my brothers
    RAmen

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  81. 81 - Mr Happypants - Nov 28th, 2006

    We must create stamps in order to please the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Also I am very glad that our spaghedeity is suggesting this idea to us rather than being controlling and ordering us around like some pricks that I know (Jesus, Yahweh,Allah,Vishnu,Xenu etc.). Of course it would be fully within His rights to order us around because of His being all powerful and all; what’s more if He did order us around it would not be our place to question Him.
    Praise the pasta!
    RAmen

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  82. 82 - Michael Greene - Nov 28th, 2006

    I would totally buy one of these.

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  83. 83 - Anastasia - Nov 28th, 2006

    You should definately make these stamps for sale! I will be one of the first to buy and use it! yaaaarrrrr

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  84. 84 - Mdog - Nov 28th, 2006

    whats the point of life anyways

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  85. 85 - Just Guess - Nov 28th, 2006

    @Mday
    There isn’t any except for the one you make for yourself.

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  86. 86 - Just Guess - Nov 28th, 2006

    Whoops, I meant Mdog, not Mday.

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  87. 87 - PassingThrough - Nov 29th, 2006

    This on one of the web pages of the Bureau of Engraving and printing:

    “Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”

    Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service. Their address is: United States Secret Service, 1800 G Street, N. W., Washington, DC 20223.

    You can find the page at:
    http://www.bep.treas.gov/allfacts.htm

    Then the question would be, is stamping the back of bills intent to render the money unfit for use. I’ve read where the larger stamp rejects money from automated machines, such as the U-Scan at the grocers. The smaller one doesn’t seem to bother the scanners. Personally, I pen a cirlce with a line through it over the word ‘god’ .. but I really like the FSM stamp!

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  88. 88 - Beat My Meatballs - Nov 30th, 2006

    You should definetaly have the stamps made, id buy one, and stamp every dollar i came in contact with it.
    RAmen

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  89. 89 - tom - Nov 30th, 2006

    I would buy it.

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  90. 90 - madhatter - Nov 30th, 2006

    if you don’t want to attract to much hate mail, you could always make it like this:

    …A
    IN GOD WE TRUST
    …^

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  91. 91 - Jimbo - Dec 1st, 2006

    i would definitely order it!!! especially the one with the little red sm.
    may his noodily appendage bless you!

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  92. 92 - Bill - Dec 1st, 2006

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You need Jesus. He loves you more than something you can eat.

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  93. 93 - a_Lex-from-russia - Dec 1st, 2006

    “This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You need Jesus. He loves you more than something you can eat.”

    Well, and how about people who love eating Jesus? After all, that is what Catholic Eucharist is all about!

    As for the stamps… GREAT IDEA.

    I would buy 10 of them right away

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  94. 94 - Wicked Wahine - Dec 1st, 2006

    I’d take a half dozen stamps!

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  95. 95 - Nick the Infidel - Dec 1st, 2006

    {Homer voice in head} Mmmmmmmmm fresh Jesus

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  96. 96 - Bill - Dec 1st, 2006

    Actually, catholiscm is wrong. How about you go to a real church. My heart hurts for you all. It really does. I wish you were not so blind. The people at FSM have made you that way.

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  97. 97 - Anna - Dec 1st, 2006

    Ahh..Bill? All the christian subsects CAME from christianity.
    The only way the FSM can make you blind is to squirt tomato sauce in your eye, or to bling you with his shere magnificent perfection, but he is too loving to do that.
    RAmen

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  98. 98 - Anna - Dec 1st, 2006

    Sorry people, the typo monster attacked. That should be “all the christian subsects CAME from catholiscm.

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  99. 99 - Bill - Dec 1st, 2006

    Whatever. Stupid stupid stupid. Does the fsm like parmessian cheese? What about a fork. I want to fight him sometime. At least I will have a real God on my side. I love to eat spaghetti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  100. 100 - Nick the Infidel - Dec 1st, 2006

    Better look over your shoulder before you enter that fight, and make sure God is still there! FSM and God are close homeboys. Every week they meet at one or the others apartment to eat a sweet pasta dinner and watch Greys Anatomy. God always makes lasagna because he thinks his is the greatest, but FSM secretly thinks that he uses too much oregano and ricotta. You F*&k with the FSM and your own God will turn on you!
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    Hey that should be our new motto! I like it!
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    .
    You F*&k with the FSM and your own God will turn on you!

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  101. 101 - Bill - Dec 1st, 2006

    You have no hope.

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  102. 102 - Nick the Infidel - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Don’t worry Bill, the FSM loves Parmesean, and I too love spaghetti. All is well. No need to fret. rest thy loony cranium on a bed of bowtie with pesto and meditate. All will seem clearer tomorrow!.

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  103. 103 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Bill Dec 1st, 2006 at 7:12 pm
    “At least I will have a real God on my side.”
    Please define “real god”? Also, how do you know “god ” on your side? I thought you had to die to find out?
    .
    “What about a fork. ”
    Can you twirl your religion on a fork? Well can you?
    .
    “love to eat spaghett”
    FSM worship Bill! Yeah baby!

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  104. 104 - (Re)Becca - Dec 2nd, 2006

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster watches Grey’s Anatomy?!
    I no longer have any willpower to resist such a wondrous god.

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  105. 105 - (Re)Becca - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Pirates, booze, midgets, insanity galore, and reverence for Grey’s Anatomy… obviously this is the one and only TRUE religion.

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  106. 106 - Bill - Dec 2nd, 2006

    What happened…………..

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  107. 107 - Rodger the cabin boy - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Bill
    The fact you wish to fight the FSM means you accept that he exists and so clearly do not believe that ‘This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.’ or that you are completely insane and wish to have a fight with a non exsistant plate of flying spaghetti which sounds pretty dumb to me.
    RAMEN

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  108. 108 - Beastly Rich - Dec 2nd, 2006

    bill- ah-ha-ah-ahahahahahahaha hmmmm. I love the vain little christians who show up here claiming to be the arbiters of all morality and truth.

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  109. 109 - Jordan - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I’d buy one! The Kim Moser’s design one!

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  110. 110 - Kat - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I think that this would be an effective way to spread the word, at least temporarily.
    -A person w/ stamps on the dollar and then spends it at the store.
    -The cashier goes quickest through dollar bills and also $10s.
    -If one pays for their order in the majority of 10’s and 1’s that will allow for the cashier not to call for change and have mainly stamped bills.
    -Next customer gets stamped bills and spends them else where.
    -The ONLY bills that go to the bank are 20s and higher. and sometimes 10s. Since most stores have to do a minimum 15,000 deposit for Armored Car deliveries.
    —-Result—-Most stamped bills would NOT be in the bank or torn for defects.

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  111. 111 - Kat - Dec 2nd, 2006

    ^^ @Mad John Kidd
    for the record.

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  112. 112 - Bill - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I hope yall go to Federal Prison for defacing currency. I laugh when you do.

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  113. 113 - Rodger the cabin boy - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I hope you don’t come out of federal prison we don’t need any more nutters running around trying to kill the heretics.

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  114. 114 - Wench Nikkie - Dec 2nd, 2006

    @Bill Dec 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pm
    ‘I hope yall go to Federal Prison for defacing currency. I laugh when you do.’
    .
    Ahh……that wonderful hypocritical christian morality rearing its ugly head again!

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  115. 115 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I haven’t even read this book yet and I love it already.
    In regards to Bill, I think that we have converted him and he just doesn’t want to admit it.
    If WE ALL acknowledge his conversion maybe he will too.
    It’s nice to have you on our side as a FSM follower Bill, welcome.

    p.s. @ what you[Bill] said before about Catholicism having it all wrong with the eating of bread and wine; need I remind you that if you’re Christian but not Catholic your religion was pretty much made up by some horny pissed-off monarch a few hundred years ago. I mean, Catholicism (like most religions) may some problems but shit, at least it wasn’t just made up in written history cause someone said-so. That’s pretty much like scientology being invented like 50 years ago.

    Conclusion; Non-Catholic Christianity = Scientology. Bill, I think I’ll call you Zuko. Like John Travolta in Grease. He’s a Christian – I mean Scientologist.

    Need I kick your ass further Zuko?

    Stay Classy
    El_Gato

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  116. 116 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 2nd, 2006

    ^^Editorial Srt bout that. Didn’t proof read.
    .
    I haven’t even read this book yet and I love it already.
    In regards to Bill, I think that we have converted him and he just doesn’t want to admit it.
    If WE ALL acknowledge his conversion maybe he will too.
    It’s nice to have you on our side as a FSM follower Bill. Welcome.
    .
    p.s. @ what you[Bill] said before about Catholicism having it all wrong with the eating of bread and wine; need I remind you that if you’re Christian but not Catholic your religion was pretty much made up by some horny pissed-off monarch a few hundred years ago. I mean, Catholicism (like most religions) may have some problems but shit, at least it wasn’t just made up in written history cause someone said-so. That’s pretty much like scientology being invented around 50 years ago.
    .
    Conclusion: Non-Catholic Christianity = Scientology. Bill, I think I’ll call you Zuko. Like John Travolta in Grease. He’s a Christian – I mean Scientologist.
    .
    Need I kick your ass further Zuko?
    .
    Stay Classy
    El_Gato

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  117. 117 - Wench Nikkie - Dec 2nd, 2006

    ‘If WE ALL acknowledge his conversion maybe he will too.’

    I’ll second that. Welcome new pastafarian Bill.
    RAmen

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  118. 118 - Wench Nikkie - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Are you aware of the sacred Oars Bill? I believe we have a few spares, if you would like one.

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  119. 119 - Swabbies Bucket - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I have a serious question (really) has it ever been Proved that Shakespeare, didn’t write the bible? I’ve heard this before and this is an honest question. Not has it been proved that he did. Rather, has it been PROVED that he didn’t?

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  120. 120 - Wench Nikkie - Dec 2nd, 2006

    I don’t know swabbies, Shakespear’s works are much more consistent than the bible. I suppose the constant bastardisation of the bible, since it was first written, could explain its inconsistency though.

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  121. 121 - Nick the Infidel - Dec 2nd, 2006

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    Shakespear and the Bible! Bigup to Da Ali G shot out!
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    The bigger question be dis man: Why do Jesus always be flying around with all those reindeer?
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    Hmm?

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  122. 122 - DerFeurer - Dec 2nd, 2006

    if you guys dont like God on paper currency, then close your eyes when you need to buy something. Your problem is that christianity its the majority and FSM is the minority, and as long as it is that way, our money will always trust in God. Sorry.

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  123. 123 - Noodle Toucher - Dec 2nd, 2006

    My money doesn’t trust God. He has a habit of making some really horrible investments. That Tree of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil? That didn’t turn out so well. Adam & Eve? We all know that story. Eden? Sitting somewhere in God’s attic gathering dust, not seeing any use at all. The Jews and Christians turned out to be defective, and the Muslims ran off and got all angry at it’s two older brothers. I say we change it to “In Our Mattresses We Trust”

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  124. 124 - Bill - Dec 2nd, 2006

    Bunch of hypocrites.

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  125. 125 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 3rd, 2006

    and yet we are right.
    @ der feurer.
    dude . . . you . . .
    . . . you get no fucking say in the matter. youre named after hitler.
    now get your thumb out of your ass and go play with Bill’s balls. @ Bill, dude its nice to have you as a dedicated follower of FSM.

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  126. 126 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 3rd, 2006

    p.s.
    yarrrr

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  127. 127 - Rodger the cabin boy - Dec 3rd, 2006

    @DerFeurer
    ‘our money will always trust in God.’
    How can money trust?
    Money is an inanimate object it is not sentient and can not think(kind of like you) and so is not capable of trusting in god.

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  128. 128 - Mobzilla - Dec 3rd, 2006

    My stamp came today :-) it works great!

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  129. 129 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 3rd, 2006

    lol @ Mobzilla

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  130. 130 - EnglishFollower – FSM ROX!!! - Dec 4th, 2006

    Welcome brother bill, may you find the power to stop talking out of your arse with the help from his noodliness

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  131. 131 - Bill - Dec 4th, 2006

    Look, I’m sorry that I disagree with you on this. You believe what you want to believe, I will do the same. Now, can we have a decent conversation from now on?

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  132. 132 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 4th, 2006

    “…can we have a decent conversation from now on?”
    Bill, you’ll find most pastafarians are always up for that. We are mostly a peaceful, funloving crowd who enjoy a bit of satire and wit. (as well as pasta of course!)
    As a friendly invitation, why don’t you have a look around the other threads. Be warned though, that when pastafarians are attacked by “burn in hell condemning fundies”, the fundies are the ones who usually get burned.
    RAmen

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  133. 133 - Bill - Dec 4th, 2006

    ????

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  134. 134 - Hambone Porkov - Dec 5th, 2006

    Aaarrrggghhh, you guys are A. Brave (no) B. Stupid (yes)
    Messing with MONEY. Do you know how many people worship MONEY? No matter who they pretend to worship, thems as has it will kill to keep it, and thems as don’t will kill to get it. What greater indicatior is there for religious fervor than an insane willingness to kill?

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  135. 135 - Farseer - Dec 5th, 2006

    Sigh…

    Bill, you’re kind of like that dude who goes into a sports bar, ignores whatever game is on, and tries to bug everyone with conversations on knitting or gardening. Now, I’m in no way implying that either knitting nor gardening are worthless pastimes by any means, they just seem to have no place in a sports bar. No matter what you say, you will still be a douchelord. The dude in my parable, I mean… is a douchelord. You may or may not be one, but your comments so far push that meter to the former.

    RAmen.

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  136. 136 - Trey - Dec 6th, 2006

    so…you really believe that there’s a 100+ monster made of spaghetti that flies and holds godlike power….even when spaghetti hasn’t been around for 100s of years?

    ….interesting….and by interesting i mean, “seems a little off.”

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  137. 137 - jesus christ - Dec 6th, 2006

    @trey
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    do you realize this is a satirical site (that means there isn’t a fsm, duh). it’s just a parody of the stupid theory of Intelligent Design. don’t you understand satire. yea, thought so.

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  138. 138 - Gnocci Man - Dec 6th, 2006

    @Trey
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    dang. so I guess those scientists were lying when they showed us that 4000+ year old bowl of spaghetti. …(sarcasm)…
    Spaghetti is in His image, not the other way around. Get your facts straight before you post on this site.
    .
    Also, it would be a good idea to have your basic cognitive functions given a thorough check-up. You should probably read the open letter that so vitalized our movement, as it might allow you to see the satire. All Praise our Noodly Master!
    RAmen

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  139. 139 - El_Gato_Volador - Dec 6th, 2006

    @Trey
    .
    Dude, just look at what i did to Bill and ask yourself if you want some of this. No really. Look at his point of view before I wrote stuff and then after and you tell me if you want to made an example of.
    RAmen
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    -El_Gato

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  140. 140 - Jacob - Dec 6th, 2006

    Ok….number one, I’d like to say, thanks for ruining many peoples lives by making them believe in nothing but crap and lies…..and number 2, I really dont get why you say ramen after everything you say…kind of like our amen….do you know what ramen is?……is the food that I eat everyday!!!…I can eat your god!!!! so there!!! and third of all, ur little eight “I’d really rather you didn’t” they talk about tv’s and what not….maybe it’s just me…but Im pretty sure they didn’t have tv’s hundreds of years ago…just saying…basically…this whole thing sucks…and u should quit because it’s horrible and u fail….:P

    loser.

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  141. 141 - Jingles - Dec 6th, 2006

    Jacob… let me get this straight… you actually think there is someone so monumentally stupid that they would actually allow a satirical religion to govern and subsequently destroy their life? I mean, stupid enough to believe the evangelical church… possible, though it requires a pretty low IQ (or significant brainwashing), but everyone who says they follow pastafarianism do so because THEY GET THE JOKE, and treat it accordingly.
    .
    The reason we say RAmen, is that it is a PUN, a play on words. Ramen is the pasta, Amen is the christian term. Hence, RAmen is the deliberate combination to add to the satire. I rather pity you that you eat ramen everday, though. I mean, we worship pasta and we still manage some variety.
    .
    You can eat our god? Big woop. So can we. Hell, the catholics eat your god, so obviously by your logic there is something deficient with him. In fact, our god is meant to be eaten. Eating your god is a sin, but the church still does it…
    .
    Finally, before you call our religion crap and lies… please, PLEASE read your own bible. It actually says the world is 6000 years old. It has been proven that it isn’t.
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    Last but not least. I would appreciate it if you at least visited a museum of natural history. Take a look at the dinosaurs. Tell me how the hell they got there. THEN come back to this site.

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  142. 142 - Jingles - Dec 6th, 2006

    woops.. I had two conclusions there. Remove finally, replace with Also.

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  143. 143 - Scott K - Dec 6th, 2006

    Whoa, Jacob.
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    We didn’t invent making people believe in crap and lies. That’s been around for thousands of years.
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    And, hey, can you name one person who’s life we’ve ruined?

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  144. 144 - Jacob - Dec 6th, 2006

    Take a look at some of the hate mail on this site…some people actually have said it ruined their lives because their friends have believed in this stuff, and yes in fact I do know a girl who told me about this, and yes, she does belive in this stuff, with all of her heart. I don’t think that you people take into consideration that not everyone is the brightest crayon in the box and people will believe in anything they’re told..it’s a fact of life. I mean…I’m all for fun and games and joking around…but there really is a point of taking it to far. I mean…come on…look at what you’re doing in your spare time…it kind of depresses me.

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  145. 145 - Jacob 2 - Dec 6th, 2006

    Take a look at some of the hate mail on this site…some people actually have said it ruined their lives because their friends have believed in this stuff, and yes in fact I do know a girl who told me about this, and yes, she does belive in this stuff, with all of her heart. I don’t think that you people take into consideration that not everyone is the brightest crayon in the box and people will believe in anything they’re told..it’s a fact of life. I mean…I’m all for fun and games and joking around…but there really is a point of taking it to far. I mean…come on…look at what you’re doing in your spare time…it kind of depresses me.

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  146. 146 - Jacob 2 - Dec 6th, 2006

    ok…I didn’t actually mean to post that twice

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  147. 147 - Hambone Porkov - Dec 6th, 2006

    Hey, I probably don’t get it! MONEY is green. Pasta can be green, can’t it? If people already worship MONEY and if there’s something on MONEY that says “In God We Trust” and if we run that brand with a beautiful icon representing the FSM bearing the clever slogan “In Pasta We Trust,” maybe people who worship MONEY and want to get more will start giving it to Pastfarians because praying to the FSM might somehow causeth them to prosper with more MONEY. Every time two or more of us gather together to commune with and consume the object of our worship (by which I mean Pasta, not MONEY) we can pass the plate and the adoring multitudes will give us MONEY too. Especially at church suppers.
    Now to digress.
    I get it (in my own feeble way) about the Pun of RAmen being about exotic Oriental Pasta and the traditional Judeo-Christian way of saying “the end,” but does it also have something to do with the great Egyptian Sun God, RA? How could this be just a coincidence?

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  148. 148 - Bill - Dec 6th, 2006

    El_Gato_Volador,

    What did you do to me? Your just stupid.

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  149. 149 - gill - Dec 6th, 2006

    “Take a look at some of the hate mail on this site…some people actually have said it ruined their lives” a) Don’t believe everything you read. b) if anyone’s life has been that lame that it can be ruined by a joke religion based around pasta, then they kinda have bigger problems then just people who like to say RAmen. And last but not least, c) stop posting here, and come back only if you learn what the words ’satire’, ‘joke’, and ‘holy shit lighten up’ mean. Thank you.

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  150. 150 - Parmesan the Greated - Dec 6th, 2006

    @ jacob
    lets say for the sake of this arguement that FSM did ruin a few lives
    exactly how many millions of lives were taken or ruined by yours? hmmmmmmm?
    think about that one for a while then get back to the funny
    @ bill
    EL_gato pretty much made you look like the ass that you are :)
    you guys need to sit down, eat a bowl of spaghetti, grab a dictionary and look up
    SATIRE
    sauce and parmesan be upon you
    Ramen

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  151. 151 - Mad John Kidd - Dec 7th, 2006

    @ Kat Dec 2nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm

    RAmen Kat, I see your point. I suppose I was coming from the perspective of someone who rarely uses cash and instead opts to “throw it on the card”. However, when I do use cash it tends to be in the form “tipping the waitress”. So that could be more effective at spreading the word than I previously imagined. Thank you.

    RAmen and pass the Parmesan

    MJK

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  152. 152 - Jacob 2 - Dec 7th, 2006

    Ok….not really trying to bash on ur little spaghetti thing anymore but….just wondering….what are you guys even doing? I mean, did that Henderson guy just like..pick random people off the street to spend the rest of their lives posting back to people like me on this site?…Do you guys get paid for this or something?

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  153. 153 - Jon E - Dec 7th, 2006

    No we just enjoy making fun of idiots.

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  154. 154 - kevin and max and andy and bob - Dec 7th, 2006

    this is quite the gay. It is just so dumb (uber dumb).

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  155. 155 - Spider - Dec 7th, 2006

    Jacob, you may just as well ask why deluded superstitious people (you may refer to them as believers) keep posting here? what do they think is going to happen? this site is largely frequented by free thinking, rational and intelligent people with a sense of humour. none of which seems welcome in religions.
    .
    In short it amuses me to mock the superstitiously afflicted, cruel you may well say, but very very funny. So if you don’t understand any of the following concepts then you’re going to struggle here – satire, logic, evidence, rational thought, humour, wit and so on…
    .
    Personally i hope you stay, open your mind, more importantly ask questions! nothing should be exempt from critique.

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  156. 156 - Rodger the cabin boy - Dec 7th, 2006

    @kevin and max and andy and bob
    Wow what an intelligent remark, it is very insightful and reflects your own huge intellectual capacity. If only we pastafarians could come up with such strong arguments.

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  157. 157 - spaghettihater101 - Dec 7th, 2006

    What kind of a person worships a bowl of spaghettios….. and person who is deflicted. I burn noodles in my sleep

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  158. 158 - Jacob - Dec 7th, 2006

    ….ur face is satire

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  159. 159 - Jon E - Dec 7th, 2006

    Are the level of idiocy we see on here. You’d think that these fundis couldn’t find anything better to do with their lives than give us someone to humiliate.

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  160. 160 - Spider - Dec 7th, 2006

    “….ur face is satire” what? that doesn’t even make sense! please people if you’re going to insult me make it a good one. what happened to all the really good insults we had to start with? no we’re left with “this is gay” and your face is satire,
    .
    i think a much better insult is “you appear to be of low intellect since you base your entire moral and belief system on a non existent entity for which there is not a single iota of evidence other than a made up fairy story book concocted over a millenia by people who hear voices in their heads” not as catchy i know. but i think funnier? open to opinions on this. (something else you’ll never here a fundi say)

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  161. 161 - Rodger the cabin boy - Dec 7th, 2006

    They clearly need the attention and that is why they post such idiotic remarks for us to rip the shit out of. I mean they clearly are a bunch of attention seeking imbecilles if not why would they need a god who pervs on them all the time.

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  162. 162 - Jon E - Dec 7th, 2006

    And how often do they feel the need to question everybodys sexuality? I’ve long ago realised that anyone making those type of comments usually has issues themself.

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  163. 163 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 7th, 2006

    No good trying to explain reality to these fundies, they are just not used to anyone doing that. I haven’t read a post from a worshipping fundie yet, who has been exposed to any form of rational thinking.
    There is just as much credibility to an FSM god, as there is to a christian god. Quite simple really, Jacob, Jacob2 and Bill. (did I count the correct number of Jacobs?….well however many of you there are anyway) Really the only way to get through to you guys is on your own level, that being that a supernatural being created everything (err…6000 years ago apparently).
    May you one day open your eyes and see the truth.
    RAmen
    ps Wear sunglasses because the truth is going to be pretty bright after what you are used to!
    RAmen

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  164. 164 - Jon E - Dec 7th, 2006

    Wench Nikkiee you’ll just flash fry their braincell if you expose them to the truth, then they’ll sit there and dribble for the rest of their lives.

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  165. 165 - Andy - Dec 7th, 2006

    haha…. you guys take things to seriously. Spaghetti tastes good =D

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  166. 166 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Jon E Dec 7th, 2006 at 7:20 am
    “Wench Nikkiee you’ll just flash fry their braincell if you expose them to the truth, then they’ll sit there and dribble for the rest of their lives.”
    .
    Well once the truth starts dawning on them Jon E, I suppose we could give them just a little lithium, just to ease them into it.
    RAmen

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  167. 167 - Jon E - Dec 7th, 2006

    I’m not sure they deserve that level of mercy. Some of us managed to work out that they were being lied to without the aid of any medicinal, alcoholic or narcotic help.

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  168. 168 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    Are all you spaghetti worshipers in college? if so it is pretty sad that you guys sit around arguing about a dumb “satire” when you should be studying for school….. why would you even do this… you’re wasting your life.

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  169. 169 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    Actually…after spending countless hours of my not very well spent time reading through this ridiculous argument between you guys and these jacobs…say what u please…but i’m convinced the intelligence level here is shown by who is worshiping spaghetti and who isn’t. Here you fellows sit and talk of your superior intellect yet look at what your doing…in fact…I can’t belive I’m even wasting my time on this stupid site…..seemingly, your statements are quite contridictory to your definition of idiocy are they not?

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  170. 170 - Johnny Corvette - Dec 7th, 2006

    Somebody smite him.

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  171. 171 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    I could say the same thing to you dweebs

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  172. 172 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    Why are you even getting so mad over some fake “satire” that a professor made up as a joke??????? I don’t understand…..

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  173. 173 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Is it possible to have fake satire? Just wondering.

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  174. 174 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    It makes me sad that you’ve disgraced the name of pirates

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  175. 175 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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  176. 176 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Maxy, maxy, maxy,
    A couple of things:
    .
    a.) “fake” and “satire” are redundant.
    b.) so is “joke”.
    c.) Bobby is not a professor, yet hundreds of professors have expressed thanks to him for articulating what they’ve been trying to say for a long time.
    d.) we are not getting mad – we are having fun.
    .
    Oh, and James,
    If you’ve spent countless hours on this site and still think that we actually worship spaghetti, I’m led to belieive that most of your life is “not very well spent time”.
    .
    RAmen.

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  177. 177 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    Oh..well Farseer
    “Spent Countless hours” is a figurative speech…u know..kind of like a joke..u should know about those. Another thing is, the sad part of this whole joke is that some pretty dumb people on here..actually do believe in this stuff, something I guess you guys aren’t exactly proud of, but hey,that sound more like a personal thing to me.
    -Amen

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  178. 178 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I guess it could be said that if people actually do believe in this, then that is just one more point proven. I’m sure there are a few here who would love to expand on that thought…

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  179. 179 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    oh, and RAmen.

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  180. 180 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    and I’d also like to know…you guys that are replying on here…since you don’t really worship the FSM, are you guys just like a bunch of athiests who don’t know how to spend their time or what?

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  181. 181 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    actually…im pretty sure I meant to say Amen

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  182. 182 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    James, you are correct. We spend “countless hours” not knowing how to spend our time.

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  183. 183 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    oh…well there you go

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  184. 184 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    great

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  185. 185 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    so are all you nerds athiests or are you all just a bunch of hippocrats

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  186. 186 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    so is this like all you do is sit in the dark depths of your dorm all day and argue about a bowl of macaroni and cheese ………

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  187. 187 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    not very smart

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  188. 188 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    maxy,
    .
    I’m sorry, but we can’t claim to be hippocrats. There is already someone who has taken that name, and he has his own blog. You can check it out if you’d like:
    http://thelittlehippo.blogspot.com/
    .
    If you visit that his blog, though, you must be careful. There may be so many big words and punctuation marks (as well as *gasp* capitalized letters) you may just fall into a coma.
    .
    RAmen.

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  189. 189 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    oh yeah sorry for not responding right away Iwas getting an education unlike some of us

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  190. 190 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    that comeback was the worst I have ever read in my life….. just stop before you fail college you stupid athiest
    Amen

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  191. 191 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
    Judging by your acute grasp of our written language… I’d suggest a refund.

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  192. 192 - Gnocci Man - Dec 7th, 2006

    How, exactly, are we hypocrites? (note the correct spelling, maxy)
    By arguing against religious domination?
    I spend countless hours wondering how we plan to prove evolution when such cases as yourself throw such holes in it. “THE WALKING MONKEY-MAN-MAX, HERE FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT!”

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  193. 193 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    to farseer
    What state are you in, are you even in college??

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  194. 194 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    What are hippocrats? Are they like really fat democrats? ba dum bah!
    .
    OEJ

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  195. 195 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
    I’m sorry to keep pushing your buttons like this, but you just make it so easy.
    .
    Even though your angry quips are short (and seemingly pointless), once can easily see why you have trouble grasping the concept of the CoFSM. For example, you tell the collective posting public (on this topic) that all we do is sit in a dorm room and contemplate the meaning of macaroni. Without a confirmation of said claim, you tell us to stop before we fail college. Hmmm. You live in a small little world, don’t you? Just because you are in college at the moment, why would you think that everyone is in college? Is it too much for you to believe that most of us here already have our degrees? You are unable to see through the Venetian blinds shut tight on your mind. Until they are opened, you will continue to be spurned by rational human beings. To do so is your choice.
    .
    RAmen.

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  196. 196 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Oh, and I forgot… you’re a Freshman, right?

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  197. 197 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    You want to talk about evolution, Goat man or whatever (don’t really care what your name is….) then lets talk……
    first: prove to me how something (bacteria)can come from nothing… it is proved that spontanious generation was proved fiction in 1668 by Fransisco Redi!!!!!
    amen

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  198. 198 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    no sophomore

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  199. 199 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    I’m sorry, I have to agree with Max. What on earth would compel you to ceate a website about this “FSM?” It’s stupid and some people acually believe it. That’s currupting young peoples minds. Do you guys acually believe in this “FSM?”

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  200. 200 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    The only real way to grasp the meaning of life along with how and why we were created is to read the holy bible
    You can begin at the beginning, the book of Genesis

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  201. 201 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin, the FSM brings me inner peace and warmth. Sometimes it gives me an erection. Is this bad?

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  202. 202 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    on my last remark about spontanious generation, I just prooved to all you imbeciles that the foundation of your theory on evolution is is a bunch a rubbish

    Amen!

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  203. 203 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
    .
    Sophomore… close enough. Regardless, your Worldview is miniscule. So, with your lofty educational status (and infinate wisdom of 19 long years on this planet), you claim that billions of people over thousands of years recording their observations of the world they inhabit is utter malarkey. You claim that there is this one magical tome that is the “Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything”. So, are you currently getting your education at Hogwarts? Wherever you are, I would still recommend looking into that refund.
    .
    RAmen.

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  204. 204 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    to one oared marc:
    that was the most perverted responce I have ever read

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  205. 205 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
    .
    I believe the FSM is just as real as the god of any other religion. Take that as you like.
    .
    OEJ

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  206. 206 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    Inner Peace and Warmth?

    No, it brings confusion and currupts the minds on children.
    You don’t get that what your doing is acually effecting some people on this earth [you know, the one God made?]

    And of all the rediculous things too, spaghetti monster?
    I think not. We have more proof of bigfoot and life on Mars than we do your “FSM.” Maybe if this cult had any meaning then and only then should people even consider it a religion if that.

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  207. 207 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Aah, OOM, according to maxy, would that be a “nerd-rection”?

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  208. 208 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    to Farseer:
    what took you so long???
    Did you not know the very information of your own athiestic views…. thats not very good.

    Amen

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  209. 209 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
    .
    You haven’t actually read anything other than this thread on the CoFSM site, have you?

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  210. 210 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    To kevin:
    Amen

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  211. 211 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    max-a-million,
    .
    I’m sorry. I missed the part where you proved something. Would you refresh my memory? I saw you make a statement of your point of view. I didn’t see any proof. Do you understand the concepts of evidence, logic, and proof?
    .
    Do you really want to discuss the bible? Because I rather enjoy discussing it. What would you like to discuss?
    .
    OEJ

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  212. 212 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    And if your saying there’s a flying spaghetti monster, well then there’s only one thing that could help you. A highly paid doctor with some strong medication.

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  213. 213 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I didn’t know that doctors had medication. Silly me, I’ve been going to the pharmacist this whole time!

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  214. 214 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
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    Prove that there isn’t.
    .
    OEJ

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  215. 215 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    To Farseer:
    you have not “proven to me the questions I challenged you to prove. so that shows me that you know little of what you’re talking about

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  216. 216 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    Ok, if there is a FSM then why not deny the existace of midget ninga jello worriors from outer space? I’ll tell you why. BECAUSE IT’S STUPID, JUST LIKE THE EXISTANCE OF A FSM.

    and yes, I have read outside of this page.

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  217. 217 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
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    I didn’t ask you to prove it was stupid. I asked you to prove it wasn’t true.
    .
    Quit dodging the question.
    .
    OEJ

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  218. 218 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ, I’ll prove there isn’t. It’s Impossible. Thats how. Spaghetti can’t fly. Theres no such thing as monsters. And this is just a religion that some bored guy made when he was to lazy to go do something with his life one day. You prove to me that this FSM exist.

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  219. 219 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Sorry maxy,
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    I didn’t prove anything because you never asked a serious question. I’ll be glad to answer the one you did ask (which I at first deemed rhetorical – silly me)
    q.) What state are you in, are you even in college??
    a.) I’ve had my BA for some time. If not for a young daughter, I would probably be well on my way to a MS if I hadn’t put it off. Also, I live in Kansas, where they just made Evolution Illegal (according to the Onion).
    .
    That is the only question you asked me.
    RAmen.

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  220. 220 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
    .
    Again, like Max, all you offer are your opinions. Show me some evidence. Prove that the FSM does not exist. You are the one doubting Him. The burden of proof is on you.
    .
    Personally, I feel no need to prove His existence. I don’t require evidence. I have faith.
    .
    OEJ

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  221. 221 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
    .
    Prove that God exists.

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  222. 222 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    To the visually handicapped pirate:
    I was just finishing making Farseer look like a dolt.

    I told him to prove to me how something came from nothing when your own scientists contradicted the (theory) of evolution when in 1668 Francisco Redi proved to science that spontaneous generation is false

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  223. 223 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    max,
    .
    I must admit to ignorance on Francisco Redi. Please educate me. How did he disprove spontaneous generation in 1668? Seriously, I would like to know.
    .
    OEJ

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  224. 224 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    Farseer
    prove that gravity exists; you can’t see it but it is there

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  225. 225 - Peter Popoff - Dec 7th, 2006

    Just a heads up here. I won’t spam this thread. I just wanted everyone to know that…
    I accept FSM money for my Jesus water…
    So be sure to stock up for the holidays… Get your miracle water here…

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  226. 226 - Kevin - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ, Have you ever even heard of the bible? Not the gospel of the flying spagetti monster. The Holy Bible. Thats my proof.

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  227. 227 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    max,
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    “you can’t see it but it is there”
    .
    Bingo! Thank-you for endorsing the existence of the FSM! .-)
    .
    OEJ

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  228. 228 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Kevin,
    .
    Are you saying that the Bible contains proof of the FSM? I doubt it, but that is what it sounds like.
    .
    I already asked Max if he wanted to discuss the Bible. Would you like to? What should we discuss?
    .
    OEJ

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  229. 229 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    are these people serious. i think we have the next good doctor right here.

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  230. 230 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    One Eyed Jack,
    You said you don’t need evidence that ur flying carbohydrate exists because you have faith…so why do you think we need to lower ourselves to ur standard and prove ourselves to you?..we simply have faith
    amen

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  231. 231 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Well said, James. My point exactly. .-)
    .
    RAmen

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  232. 232 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    First of all citing gravity as an arguement is stupid. Sure you can’t see it but it is easily proved. Proving gravity exsists is as simple as watching an apple fall from a tree…

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  233. 233 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    What he did was get 2 jars
    1 with meat and no lid
    1 with meat and a lid
    he then waited one day
    the next day he saw that lid 1 had flies and maggots surrounding the meat
    the other lid, on the other hand, (with the lid) had no flies
    thus, proving the fallacy of spontaneous generation

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  234. 234 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    ok, literally, are all these fundies right here actually saying they are smart. they may say that we are stupid, but at least some of us have an understanding of science.
    .
    and yes, the FSM is made up morons. have you ever heard of satire. and no, there are christians on this sight. typical fundamentalist garbage about how we are all doomed. and also, what do they personally got against atheists. is it fact they feel free to stear clear of god. i guess these people hate homosexuals too. if they do, then i prove a point.
    .
    they say love your fellow neighbor, but i guess it’s ok to say one person is stupid just because they don’t like your god. now that sounds hypocritical.

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  235. 235 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    There are records of a man named jesus who lived and actually did some miracle things and died on a cross…The stories of what happened in Egypt are actually on Egyptian texts, When moses parted the seas and the Egyptians followed him in, there are fragments of egyptian chariots found in the bottom of the sea, along with various egyptian swords, helmets, spears, and hundreds of bones(the Egyptian soldiers)There is proof everywhere…much more than I have written about, I dont claim to know everything about my religion, but I can tell you that you have the wrong opinion of our religion. We’re not like today’s “christian” The normal stereotypical christian lives a fake life and has nothing to do with the religion at all…don’t confuse us with them…I’m not one that will say “oh…your on this website…thats it for you..your goin to hell…thats it” We’re not like that
    Amen

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  236. 236 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Sorry again maxy,
    .
    I’d have a much better time answering your questions if you would use punctuation. For example, when you want someone to answer a question, you would usually use a question mark. It’s that squiggly “l” with a dot under it. It is located at the bottom right of your keyboard, and you can activate it by holding the shift key and pressing “/”. For more information, consult the English department at your school. See how easy that is? (note the use of the question mark – that was just an example – you don’t have to answer. I’ll just assume the answer is yes.)
    .
    Now, in regards to Francisco Redi, I am not familiar with the gentleman, but if Charles Darwin was not born until 1809, I find it hard to see how some one could have disproved his theory in 1668. Now if we’re talking about the disproval of spontaneous generation, I’m surprised that you’d bring that up. What, that according to Genesis:
    .
    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.” On the first day God creates light and dark, day and night; on the second the “firmament” separating “the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;” on the third, the waters under the firmament are gathered into one place, and “God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas,” and on the same day God creates “plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth.” On the fourth day God creates the sun, moon and stars, and sets them in the firmament; on the fifth day, fish and birds; and on the sixth, “the beasts of the earth according to their kinds.”
    .
    Now I may be grasping here, but this account sounds sort of spontaneous, and sort of like something out of nothing.
    .
    Now for the actual question maxy, If you stand by a source claiming it was scientifically proven that something cannot come from nothing, then how can you claim that God made the entire Earth and everything on it from nothing? (Note the question mark again – this time you can go ahead and answer.)

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  237. 237 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    James I agree. I don’t necessarily believe in a divine figure, but there is proof of the Bible everywhere. I just recently read up on Ancient Egypt and there are written records of plagues on temple and tomb walls. Plagues that were the magnitude written in the Bible. It is true that there were swords and chariots found in the ocean. That isn’t easily argued. There is just cold hard evidence that Biblical accounts are true.

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  238. 238 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    ok, whoever thinks evolution has to do with spontaneous generation is completely misunderstanding the fact of evolution. wtf. i can easily debunk that claim and so could any real scientist. the problem is the people they try to convince will probably say all the evidence is fake. they ask for evidence, we give them solid evidence, yet they reject it completely. and they say that we’re stupid.

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  239. 239 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    The theory of spontaneous generation was disproved by the experiment with the swan neck flask and the chicken broth (no seriously it was). But who is to say life wasn’t put here by a divine creator. Life can only come from pre-exsisting life.

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  240. 240 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ
    if you can’t see the FSM then how come there is a picture of it on the website…… idiot

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  241. 241 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
    .
    Good effort. That wasn’t the exact experiment, but it is close enough.
    .
    What Redi’s experiment demonstrated was that complex life does not spontaneously generate. The experiment in no way proves that at some point in the past, simple life didn’t spontaneously formed.
    .
    It is an interesting discussion, but keep in mind that the inability to demonstrate spontaneous generation of even simple life does not prove that it cannot occur. Maybe it doesn’t, but maybe we simply don’t know how yet. And remember, over billions of years, and on billions upon billions of planets, it only had to happen once for us to be here. I like those odds.
    .
    Good effort, but you’re going to have to step your game up a bit.
    .
    OEJ

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  242. 242 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    Jesus Christ,
    First of all, I just want you to know Calling yourself jesus christ is probably one of the most offensive things you could have done, second, I’m not seeing this “solid evidence” that you’ve been giving us
    care to explain?
    Amen

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  243. 243 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ,
    First of all Redi’s experiment wasn’t talking about complex life. Read up on your science. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE BACTERIA!!!

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  244. 244 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @caped crusader
    .
    what people don’t seem to understand is the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the big band. nothing at all. and the proof points towards evolution. why else do you think that it is put in textbooks. if there’s a god, he created evolution. evolution has already been proven. and claims against it are pure arguments from ignorance.

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  245. 245 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    JC

    the reason that it is in the text book is because a man made up the theory, a human man. No one can except the fact that a god can write anything, and where is this proof?!?!?

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  246. 246 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    Like I said I don’t believe in a divine creator but it would be ignorant to say he doesn’t exsist. You can’t know for sure. It would also be ignorant to say that he doesn’t exsist. O and I do believe in evolution.

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  247. 247 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
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    “if you can’t see the FSM then how come there is a picture of it on the website…… idiot”
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    I can’t see Jesus, but there are pictures of him.
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    OEJ

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  248. 248 - Peter Popoff - Dec 7th, 2006

    @ jesus christ,
    Hey, I just wanted you to know… My water also cures hicupprisy.
    Ramen

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  249. 249 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ

    because you made the picture idiot, picture don’t prove anything
    Amen

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  250. 250 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    maxy,
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    Your last comment “if you can’t see the FSM then how come there is a picture of it on the website…… idiot”, has completely convinced me that you’ve been putting me on. And to think I spent my lunch hour making fun of you! Well, either the joke is on me, or you ate a lot of paint chips as a child – either way, you can forget about answering my question. And say hi to the folks at Hogwarts for me.
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    RAmen

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  251. 251 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    Well put Ramen. I definetly think max is both ignorant and poorly educated. He seems to have the ability to contradict himself at least 5 times in one comment.

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  252. 252 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Caped Crusader,
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    What we have here is a difference of understanding on what constitutes complex life. Bacteria is complex life. Not in comparison to humans, but bacteria are still highly complex organisms.
    .
    Redi’s experiment was indeed focussed on complex life. He observed the rotting of meat and hatching of maggots. That is complex life.
    .
    Simple life would be a self replicating organic molecule with the potential to mutate. Something which Redi would not even have knowledge of in 17th century.
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    Pasteur later did similar experiments with bacteria and yeast, but it is still complex life that was being tested.
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    You might want to read up a bit yourself. .-)
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    OEJ

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  253. 253 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @james
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    the reason you compare spontaneous generation with evolution is simple. life had to come somewhere. that’s not what evolution is about. evolution is about how natural selection and how species change over time. i’ll let you do the research. go to wikipedia and type in ‘timeline of evolution’. it is very well documented and includes many facts that are supported by scientists. if that doesn’t show you how evolution is possible, then i know you’ll ignore the facts.
    .
    i’m sorry my name offends you. i didn’t know you loved me that much. o my god, i must be going to hell. oh well, at least i’ll know my life on earth was good. i didn’t know how offensive i was. boohoo.
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    RAmen

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  254. 254 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    James,
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    “because you made the picture idiot, picture don’t prove anything”
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    Again, my point exactly. GMTA.
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    OEJ

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  255. 255 - Davey Jones’ Hacker - Dec 7th, 2006

    @OEJ:
    “I can’t see Jesus, but there are pictures of him.”
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    http://www.jesusandmo.net/

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  256. 256 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    Hey! I thought that *I* had the most offensive response! JC, you owe me.

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  257. 257 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    No, wait. I had the most *perverted* response. Thanks! I work hard at it. My motto is (and everyone should have a motto): I Don’t Convert, I Pervert.

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  258. 258 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Hehe. I like that, Davey.

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  259. 259 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @caped crusader
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    sorry, i misread a few of your comments. i just got on today, so i’m not as familiar with new faces. may you be touched by his noodly appendage and by god.
    RAmen

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  260. 260 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @james
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    where’s your proof of god outside the bible. i see you don’t trust your everyday scientist. i guess all those AP Biology books are full of lies (sarcasm).

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  261. 261 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    @ Jesus Christ
    Read James’ comments he provided substantial proof of the bible. Wheres your proof!!

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  262. 262 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ
    your are the dumbest piece of crap on this planet…. if you can’t see the fsm then how come there is a picture of it on the top of the website…… idiot

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  263. 263 - Swabbies Bucket - Dec 7th, 2006

    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    For the pirates- tell me so…
    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    Because beer volcanoes always flow…
    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    Because the strippers never go…
    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    Little minds can now be strong…
    We will all now get along…
    FSM Loves me…
    This I know…
    Because the pirates – tell me so…
    .
    It’s a work in progress, sing it when you need to reinforce your belief. Or you are bored shitless.
    That’s all I’ve got for now.
    Peace Love
    Ramen

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  264. 264 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    Farseer
    I don’t see why you would even put a picture up in the first place

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  265. 265 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Max,
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    Harsh words. Is name calling really necessary? I’ve been civil with you. Why do you feel the need to be so rude?
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    I assume from your posts that you are a Christian. Correct me if I am wrong. As stated earlier, I made the comparison to Jesus. We cannot see Jesus, yet we have pictures of him. As the story goes, the long-haired, kind-faced popular rendering of jesus was created by a painter (I do not know his name) who received divine inspiration from God. The pictures of the FSM on this website, are products of the divine inspiration given to Bobby Henderson. I don’t see the problem.
    .
    Keep in mind that the FSM is an omnipotent being. His true form may be incomprehensible to us. His incarnation in the form of spaghetti is simply how he chose to reveal himself to us.
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    I hope this clears things up. BTW, I’m curious. Which college do you attend?
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    OEJ, Ship’s Navigator

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  266. 266 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Jesus Christ
    ..I’m waiting?

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  267. 267 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I’m curious too…

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  268. 268 - Gnocci Man - Dec 7th, 2006

    @James
    If the FSM wants, he can turn visible. Also, how do you know what your god looks like? Did he come to you and say that he was a big white bearded guy? if he did, it would be a rather disgusting vanity thing. I mean; world hunger, wars, diseases, religious fundamentalism… wouldn’t his time be better spent solving them then… oh, wait. the plauges and such.
    The FSM doesn’t take time off unless he REALLY needs to. I mean, I don’t think he has yet impregnated any “virgins”.
    as to the scientific formulae, people didn’t invent them. They discovered them. those formulae would work just as well before they were discovered as after. I think it would be a bit strange if ‘god’ invented scientific evidence that could so easily disprove him.
    and by the way, gods were invented by humans. don’t believe me? ah well.
    I figure christianity has a couple hundred more years before it is forgotten, just like all the other “true” religions. have fun in your knowledge that there is no evidence that can not be blindly ignored!
    RAmen

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  269. 269 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I’m wondering what school teaches that pieces of crap on this planet have varying levels of intellect…

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  270. 270 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Jesus Christ
    I’m guessing that you have no idea what your talking about and have decided to just agree with your fellow friends on what ever they say on here…I have clearly asked you for proof of this evolution and scientific theories that you say you have atleast 4 times already

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  271. 271 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    Oh we didn’t discover formulas we created them after finding a problem or property. A formula is just the simplified version of the original property.

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  272. 272 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    Bones in the sea, other stuff that might fit stories in the Bible? Sounds like seeing the face of Christ in a piece of toast to me. Ships went down frequently 2000 or 3000 years ago. Their technology was crude. Facts can be manipulated to support theories even though the evidence is circumstantial at best. I think I see Jesus reflecting off of the back of a stop sign. It is a miracle! The problem with miracles though, is that they are yet another example of fitting interpretations of natural phenomena into your own little narrow box of world-view.

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  273. 273 - max-a-million - Dec 7th, 2006

    OEJ and everyone else
    jesus was on this earth two thousand and six years ago where he later died on the cross for you and me and everyone else…. He did this so you could be able to get to heaven by just asking him into your heart instead of having to use to sacrifice a calf for your sins
    AMEN
    AMEN

    PEACE

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  274. 274 - Swabbies Bucket - Dec 7th, 2006

    Does that mean nic jr, just left?

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  275. 275 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Gnocci Man
    I have never claimed to know what my god looks like, nor have any others who belive as I do, I can’t help that artists feel they need to portray the unportrayable. And yes, “gods” were created by humans….”God” and “Jesus” created themselves. If you cared to read earlier on, I did prove evidence, an there is much more evidence. Christianity has been around since the beggining of time. I seriously doubt that after having a heavy influence on this earth for as long as man can comprehend, that it would just be forgotten in a hundred years or so…Now this religion, I’d give a month or two. Have fun in your knowledge that everything you said was false and had no point.

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  276. 276 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    @One oared Marc
    The Egyptians were not sea fairing people. The Egyptians did not often travel on the ocean, let alone move entire armies.

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  277. 277 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @james
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    i provided you with a link, why don’t you go look at that link
    why don’t you also look up tiktaalik, archaeopteryx, acanthostega, hyracotherium, pakicetus, microraptor, dimetrodon, and several others. all those fossils and many others perfectly show proof of evolution. just do some god damn research ok. what else do you want, vestigial structures. chances are you’ll refute all evidence of evolution. even i showed you a 100 page essay about evolution, you would say ‘oh all those scientists are liars’. and oh yea, the bible is not a scientific document.

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  278. 278 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    They travelled and traded up and down the Nile for centuries. They were sailors at the top of their game then. But, more importantly, who cares? It is not proof of the existence of God.

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  279. 279 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    want more proof, look at darwins finches. chances are you won’t even look at them because they have ‘darwin’ in them

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  280. 280 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    THE NILE IS A RIVER, not the Red Sea. The Egyptians were NOT very good sailors. The greeks and Romans were. The Egyptians became good at sailing when the Romans came to overthrow them. Sure the sunken bones and chariots aren’t proof of God, but the validate at least part of the story in the Bible.

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  281. 281 - James - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Jesus Christ
    All of this is provided by scientists, where do scientists get their information from?..computers. We humans are not perfect, therefore, ir is impossible for us to create something perfect. For all we know, we have created a machine to make hypothetical guesses. I never said the bible was a scientific document, I’m glad it isn’t, because scientists are also the ones who said the world was flat, also the ones who said we would never be able to reach the moon. And by the way, It’s recorded in history that Darwin admitted to being wrong in his death-bed
    Amen

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  282. 282 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    That’s a wonderful story, Max. Seriously, it’s a very comforting thing to believe isn’t it?
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    Mind if I add my person commentary?
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    God created man. God created all the plants and animals, which would include the tree of knowledge and the serpent. The serpent coaxed Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge and so began the cycle of sin. For this, God punished Adam, Eve, and all their descendents.
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    Out of His love for man, God sent the Holy Ghost, which was actually God, but not exactly, to impregnate a virgin, Mary. Mary gave birth to Jesus, who was also God, but not exactly. Jesus was then crucified and resurrected to pay for our sins. Now all we need to do is to believe and all is forgiven.
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    Synopsis: God creates man. God creates sin. God tempts man. Man fails. God punishes man for being imperfect (apparently by design). God creates Jesus. God kills Jesus. All better now.
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    Hmmm. Your story sounds much better. Let’s go with that one.
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    OEJ

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  283. 283 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    @James
    Where does the information on computers come from James? HUMANS. Of course scientists provide the evolution theories. Its their job they are the most qualified to make these guesses and theories. Scientists have provided countless correct theories.

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  284. 284 - Davey Jones’ Hacker - Dec 7th, 2006

    For anyone who wants a fascinating perspective on the archaeology of the Moses-period ancient world, and some superb conjecture on what all those plagues and so forth were all about, I’d highly recommend “Return to Sodom and Gomorrah” by Charles Pellegrino.
    .
    Having said that, it’s written by a scientist, and contains some science, and some common sense, and rational conjecture, and thought, and probably a lot of truth. Ah hell, who’m I trying to kid? You fundie fuckwits’ll just go and burn it without even reading the publisher’s blurb, right?
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    Well, just on the off-chance that one of you is feeling particularly brave and un-dogmatic tonight, here’s a really big link:
    http://www.amazon.com/Return-Sodom-Gomorrah-Charles-Pellegrino/dp/0380726335/sr=8-2/qid=1165524186/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-2909118-1901258?ie=UTF8&s=books

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  285. 285 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    Okay, I capitulate. The Bible is absolutely true and was written by God and God’s people who were actual eyewitnesses to His Glory. *yawn* Anything else new you want to add?

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  286. 286 - jesus christ - Dec 7th, 2006

    @james
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    ‘all this evidence is provided by scientists’.
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    NO SHIT
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    ok, i now know you don’t trust scientists. and the darwin story you mentioned is an urban legend and even creationists will admit it’s false. it it’s true, it’s exagerated. also if it were true, then the Lady Hope would be a sick little bitch. she goes to a mans deathbed to make him regret his past just so she get pleasure. what a sick bitch.
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    i also know that no matter what good evidence i give you for evolution, you’ll refute it. i knew that from the start. i understand you’re a hard-core christian who has been told that the magic man in the sky is watching your every move. i know i can’t provide you with reality, for you’ll refute it.
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    and oh yea, did you know it was the bible that said the earth was the center of the universe. it was debunked by scientists. another symbol of your ignorance.
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    wtf
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    RAmen

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  287. 287 - gill - Dec 7th, 2006

    I have no intrest whatsoever in debating with these halfwits, but I just HAVE to say one thing: “Christianity has been around since the beggining of time.” ……Try since several hundred years into the Roman Empire. Christianity is one of the younger religions out there, and it was predated by the Roman/Greek religion, Judaism, and countless others. Since the ‘beginning of time’? Uh, yeah, if time began midway into known history. My god, these people are dense.

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  288. 288 - Branded Cow - Dec 7th, 2006

    We are all imperfect, and everything we create is imperfect including religion and science. Does that mean religion and science are bad for us? The scientific method allows for corrections in science just as the US government allows for admendments. Science is evolving as our knowledge expands.
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    Religion is a failed attempt at science, but religion is not bad for us. It is good to have morals, standards in life, and fear some sort of retribution for your sins. However, religion should not be taught as science.

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  289. 289 - Hambone Porkov - Dec 7th, 2006

    Bah! You blighty blokes bore me with all your seriousness about theology and science. Hows about getting back on topic for a minute and the topic is “In Pasta We Trust” on MONEY. Imagine the joy to be derived from pillaging and plundering and sacking and despoiling and thereby accumulating chests full of beautiful MONEY celebrating the magnificence of the Omnipotent Flying Spaghetti Monster whose real name is not to be spoken to the sad and jealous unbelievers.

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  290. 290 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 7th, 2006

    Branded Cow,
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    Spot on your first paragraph… but (saw that coming didn’t you?)
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    “Religion is a failed attempt at science, but religion is not bad for us. It is good to have morals, standards in life, and fear some sort of retribution for your sins.”
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    Horse hockey!
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    It has been debated very effectively and demostrated through social experiments and surveys that religion is not a better source of morality. Religious people can be moral, but so can atheists. Surveys say (in my best Richard Dawson voice) all other factors being equal, atheists are likely to be more honest and moral than their religious counterparts. Shocking but true.
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    Which is better, to act morally because you fear the great supernatural camera in the sky or to act morally simply because it is the right thing to do?
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    “However, religion should not be taught as science.” Back on track. I agree with you 100% on that.
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    OEJ

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  291. 291 - One Oared Marc - Dec 7th, 2006

    Thank you, OEJ. I was hoping someone would jump on that like a fly larvae on manure. ☻
    OOM

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  292. 292 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I would buy one of those stamps without pause. It reminds me of what Rage Against the Machine did with their Renegades album art. It features a poem:
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    “I write messages on money.
    It’s my own form of social protest.
    A letter printed on paper than no one will destroy
    passed indiscriminately across race, class and gender lines
    and written in the blood that keeps the beast alive.
    A quiet little hijacking
    on the way to the check-out counter
    And a federal crime.
    I hope that someone will find my message one day when they really need it.
    Like I do.”
    (Then there’s a picture of a dollar bill – written on it are the words “I am not a slave”)
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    RAmen

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  293. 293 - Jeromy - Dec 7th, 2006

    Wow, this is fun. May His Holy Appendage stroke you gently.
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    Make the stamp, I’ll buy one. I like the kind with His Holy Likeness and no words or web site mentioned.
    .
    I wish there was a FSM church nearby my home. Any problems with me starting one? I can make up flyers and put them on people’s windshields at Wal-Mart, and while they are at church.

    Just think of all the good we can do in His Holy Name. We can take up collections for the poor, hold science fairs, all sortsa fun stuff.

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  294. 294 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    I agree with Jeromy – just the stamp of His Holy Likeness. It’s small, noticable, does a good job of covering up “God”, and doesn’t obviously link the CoFSM. I’d totally buy one.

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  295. 295 - Cap’n Doug - Dec 7th, 2006

    I would buy both stamps – though I suspect that the smaller one is “less illegal”, as it does not advertise. To get around that, you could offer an image of the larger one and tell folks to go to a stamp place and have it custom made.

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  296. 296 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    @OEJ
    Definetly! Religion is not a science and is mearly a belief held by members of the church, or dare I say, cult. Religion has held throughout the years, covering up secrets, and brainwashing cultures of the world. The church itself has done terrible things. The church has been directly responsible for murder, stealing, and the prosecution of members from various religions. Religion should not be taught as a science because who knows if it’s true. Blind faith is not enough for some. Science offers proof and people find comfort in knowing what they believe is absolutely true. Which is better: doing the right thing because you are afraid of the wrath of an omniscient being, or doing something because of your own moral belief. Personally I believe the latter of the two.

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  297. 297 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Oooh… it seems as though Batman may have been touched by His Noodly Appendage….

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  298. 298 - Caped Crusader - Dec 7th, 2006

    Thanks Farseer I like big words…

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  299. 299 - The Heretic - Dec 7th, 2006

    I don’t want to deface tons of bills with that big black stamp. It just seems too tacky and I don’t want FSM to be associated with being tacky. Perhaps the small red one that looks like the fsm to stamp over the word God would be good for many.’I’ wouldn’t buy that though, as I can already draw a little red FSM with a pen over god, and my parents really wouldn’t approve…( which usually doesn’t matter) but as I come from a family of mostly very religous people, I don’t want them to think I don’t believe in god lol… and the FSM stamp would be a give away.

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  300. 300 - Hambone Porkov - Dec 7th, 2006

    What is the Pastafarian equivalent of ganja? My vast experience in the worship of Spaghetti would tempt me to say perhaps oregano, but I don’t want to risk offending the priesthood of pasta.
    As a former (all thanks to the FSM for the virtue of recidivism) Pirate and enabler of Pirates, I must say that believers in the religion of Science are particularly easy prey and hardly worthy of a healthy wholesome ransacking. Nope, it’s the deity guys who seem to rack up the booty, but the MONEY worshipers make the best target.
    Now for the horrible dilemma – there’s all this money looking to buy little stamps depicting His Noodleness in all his Magnificence, and this money has not yet been sanctified by that same likeness. Would it not be best if we could pass legislation (the new Congressional sheriff in town loves legislation) modifying the currency in an appropriate fashion? That way we would not have to sully our hands by touching the root of all evil.
    RAmen

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  301. 301 - Bill - Dec 7th, 2006

    Send me a stamp, and I will leave this site forever. Seriously. Oh yeah, learn how to spell argument Ramen. Its the truth. Oh wait, you dont believe in the truth.

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  302. 302 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    Bill,
    Just to clarify… the use of “RAmen” at the end of a post is a play on “Amen”. Sort of goes with the whole pasta theme.
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    Oh, and why would we want you to leave? More importantly, why the hell would someone send you a stamp when those of us who don’t talk trash on the CoFSM are willing to pay for one?
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    May you be guided by His Noodly Grace.
    RAmen.

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  303. 303 - Bill - Dec 7th, 2006

    EXXXXXCUSE ME! Bunch of…………..

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  304. 304 - Jingles - Dec 7th, 2006

    Bill, I have to ask… are you one half of the animated duo, Bill & Ben the Flowerpot Men?

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  305. 305 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 7th, 2006

    Just reading back up this thread to the ignorant postings max-a-million and James. Please tell me that these kids are not college level students. That kind of thinking and logic wouldn’t even get them through high school (nor into high school for that matter) in Australia.

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  306. 306 - Farseer - Dec 7th, 2006

    That’s the truth Nikkiee. I can’t believe I wasted my lunch hour arguing with them. Well, I would have been bored otherwise.
    RAmen.

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  307. 307 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 7th, 2006

    I’m feeling a bit sorry for myself that I missed them. I just really love (or as Mad John Kidd or Davey would say… lurrvv) their type and laughingboy is getting tediously repetitive.
    RAmen

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  308. 308 - Mad John Kidd - Dec 7th, 2006

    Fookin’ lurvely, I missed all the fun. Congrats to all brothers and sisters of the sauce who fought so galantly in the name of the FSM. ‘Twas a long and bloody battle against the heretical horde from the looks of it, but you have served Him well. You have truely earned a place near the front of the evergrowing line at the beer volcano and a lapdance with the stripper of your choice.

    RAmen

    MJK, Orthodox Pastafarian

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  309. 309 - Wench Nikkiee - Dec 7th, 2006

    @Jingles Dec 7th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
    ‘Bill, I have to ask… are you one half of the animated duo, Bill & Ben the Flowerpot Men?’
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    Yes we all know about Bill & Ben and their little potted weeeeed.

    @Mad John
    I couldn’t even get through the whole debate.

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  310. 310 - Spider - Dec 8th, 2006

    Ahoy all, well this thread took some reading to catch up on! nice to have some decent abuse back on here, damn i miss the fundis who think they can convert us…
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    Max – you’re great, good effort…however
    “max-a-million Dec 7th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
    OEJ
    if you can’t see the FSM then how come there is a picture of it on the website…… idiot
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    max-a-million Dec 7th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
    Farseer
    I don’t see why you would even put a picture up in the first place”
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    Are you really sure about this? Didn’t the Pope commission his own piccy on the sistine chapel? Just how many pics of your God do you think there are? Are you saying that the Pope was wrong to do so?

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  311. 311 - Spider - Dec 8th, 2006

    @Kevin, very entertaining…..(wait for it)…………however!
    “OEJ, I’ll prove there isn’t. It’s Impossible. Thats how. Spaghetti can’t fly. Theres no such thing as monsters. And this is just a religion that some bored guy made when he was to lazy to go do something with his life one day. You prove to me that this FSM exist.
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    OEJ, Have you ever even heard of the bible? Not the gospel of the flying spagetti monster. The Holy Bible. Thats my proof”
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    So run this one by me again. Everyone needs to prove their chosen diety/ies exist – and you’re offering the bible as proof that only your faith is correct? is that the King James version? the old testicle? the nes one? the Gideons one in my hotel? Which language? And there’s no such thing as monsters? who many demons o you want quoted from your own set of fairy tales?

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  312. 312 - Spider - Dec 8th, 2006

    apologies for typing. not enough grog today

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  313. 313 - Jingles - Dec 8th, 2006

    RAmen

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  314. 314 - James - Dec 8th, 2006

    well…im sure you guys have thoroughly missed me, but I’m back

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  315. 315 - James - Dec 8th, 2006

    and I have a little something else to say, though mostly towards “Jesus Christ” who was trying to prove to me that evolution has evidence

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  316. 316 - James - Dec 8th, 2006

    @Jesus Christ (and all others who tried to prove evolution)
    The “facts” you showed me mean absolutely nothing. Fossils, you’ve shown me bones of three foot tall humans with weird shaped skulls. Over time, man has…oh lets say…improved. We have better eye sight, we’re taller, we’re smarter and more civilized. Now show me the evidence of one different species changing into a completely different species. In case there are some of you that are a bit more challenged than others and try to use the lame excuse of primates mating with another species to create us, that doesn’t work. It’s like trying to mate a horse and a donkey,they create a mule, but the mule is now sterile and can never reproduce or help reproduce. So unless you want to try explaining to me that we came from animals where that doesn’t apply, like dogs, I’m not thinking so. Also, to you college attending people and you oh so clever graduates, If you’re half as smart as you’ve been making yourself, you’ll know about the simple laws of thermodynamics.These laws tell us that energy is always decreasing, mountains are becoming short and dull, our very sun is slowly going out, you get the idea. The point is, things aren’t “evolving” if anything, we’re declining in everything. Knowing that, tell me this, do you know any man who knows everything? I didn’t think so. So in other words, you’re saying that you trust the hypothetical guesses given to us by some heap of metal with elctricity run through it? (for those of you who might be too stupid to know what I’m talking about…computers)Humans are imperfect by nature, therfore, it is virtually impossible for us to ever design or create something that is perfect.
    Amen

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  317. 317 - jesus christ - Dec 8th, 2006

    @james
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    i gave you evidence of evolution and you just say it’s all fake. the problem is that i’ll give evidence that profesionals of science have approved of, and you’ll just say it’s fake. and the 2nd second law of thermodynamics does not disprove evolution at all. the point is you’ll never seem to understand evolution. evolution has evidence, you just don’t accept it. the scientific community has accepted evolution because it can be tested, makes a hypothesis, and it does explain our actual origins. just because we won’t find every transitional fossil does not mean evolution is false. the fact we have transitional fossils shows that evolution has happened. why are simple science facts so hard to accept.
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    this is the lord jesus christ speaking. listen to my words of wisdom, “thou shalt not resort to stupidity. just because thou don’t like evolution doth not make it false. also, thou shall meet thy friend the flying spaghetti monster. if thou obey thy FSM, you will have beer volcanoes and strippers. what’s better than that”

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  318. 318 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    @James
    The veryin thing that you were describing was evolution. HUMANS IMPROVING. We as a species evolve to increase our chances of survivability in our environment. Oh and for everyone we didn’t evolve from apes. Apes and humans share a common ancestory. (Homo Hablis) Chimpanzee DNA matches human DNA by 96.6% or more. There is a very small difference, but the difference makes all the difference. Wow that was cool. Anyway that small bit of DNA where we differ controls our brain development, looks, behavior, and much, much more. Humans have evolved. There is proof that snakes once had legs. Over time the snakes adapted to better suit there environment. A skeleton of a snake still has small, tiny appendages from which its legs were located. The snake didn’t lose its legs because of disuse, but rather because the legless shape better increased its chances of survivabilty for the species. These changes are not instantaneous. There is also proof that humans, or Homo Sapien Sapiens, have evolved in the last 40 years. Kids today have better use of their thumb than their older parents or grandparents. Evolution is true, but who is to say God didn’t have a hand in the evolution of humans. God is supposedly very powerful he would certainly be capable of making humans evolve. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. The thought of a God like that is absurd, even childish. I do not want to bash your religion too much, but your god was created from the whimsical ideas of a never-had-a-girlfriend, lives in his parents basement, hasn’t ever been to a party or social event, loser, smart, twenty-five year old boy. A twenty-five year old is hardly well versed enough to create a legitamite god. Don’t throw the 10 million followers thing at me because I already know. Those ten million followers are crazy for thinking A flying Carbohydrate created the world. Satire I get it you don’t need to refresh my memory.
    Amen
    Amen
    -Dark Knight

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  319. 319 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    Welcome back, James.
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    So, fossil evidence does not convince you? Fair enough. I won’t debate that with you. I’m am neither a biologist nor paleontologist.
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    I will address your thermodynamics statement. Creationists love to throw this one out, but it only demonstrates a lack of understanding of the laws of thermodynamics
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    1st law: “The increase in the internal energy of a thermodynamic system is equal to the amount of heat energy added to the system minus the work done by the system on the surroundings.”
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    2nd law: “The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.”
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    There are others, but these are the two that apply to this discussion.
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    You write, “These laws tell us that energy is always decreasing, mountains are becoming short and dull, our very sun is slowly going out, you get the idea.”
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    Energy is not decreasing. It is becoming more dispersed. It is an important distinction.
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    The laws of thermodynamics apply to closed systems. The Earth is not a closed system. Energy from the Sun is constantly added.
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    Some mountains are becoming shorter through erosion. Others are growing. http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/exhibits/journeys/english/mountain_2_1a.html
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    None of this refutes the possibility of life evolving naturally in a localized system, so what is your point?
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    OEJ

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  320. 320 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    @Jesus Christ…
    FSM came over yesterday and fondled me. Oh, make a beleiver out of me. Amen

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  321. 321 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    Caped Crusader,
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    “A twenty-five year old is hardly well versed enough to create a legitamite god.”
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    How old do you have to be?
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    Joseph Smith was 24 when he published his revelation that lead to the founding of Mormonism. Of course, I suppose you could argue that he didn’t create a new god, but just revised Him a bit.
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    OEJ

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  322. 322 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    A 25 year old loser created a religion. That is a joke.

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  323. 323 - jesus christ - Dec 8th, 2006

    @caped crusader
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    i wasn’t saying the FSM was real. i was just showing some satire. i’m not trying to convince anyone that the FSM exist. i just want people to open their eyes and accept evolution. for the best part, if you’re religious, there’s something called theistic evolution. that’s basically just saying that evolution is true (which it is) and saying that maybe it was god that was responsible for it. i know that you accept, but people like james don’t seem to get evolution.

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  324. 324 - Jingles - Dec 8th, 2006

    MONSTER POST
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    “…was trying to prove to me that evolution has evidence”
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    Yep. It does.
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    Observed on the micro scale, with viral and bacterial resistance to antibodies.
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    Now, this should be satisfactory, as when you get right down to it, macro and micro evolution are the same mechanism, but here is some other stuff.
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    We effectively have a complete evolutionary record for the horse including transitory fossils, which kinda helps support macro.
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    On top of that, we have WITHIN HUMAN EXISTANCE the splitting of one species into two or more that cannot interbreed. This is, quite simply, the domestication of the canine. If you have ever seen a chihuaha try to mount a great dane, or the reverse, you’ll realise it doesn’t work. They cannot interbreed without technological assistance.
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    To someone such as myself, without a strong background in the clinical definitions of species, that seems satisfactory.
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    We compare this to the two most common ideas put forward by, let us say, the more literal variety of the faithful;
    ID and Creationism.
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    Okay, let us argue creationism first. It is nice and easy to disprove.
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    Creationists argue for either a 6000 or 12000 year old earth, which aside from contradicting a large amount of fossil evidence also would require the rewriting of some fundamental laws of physics.
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    You see, during my university studies, I have had the good fortune of getting a part time job operating a rather large mass spectrometer.
    We use it to analyse the ratios of uranium isotopes to their lead decay (or thorium-lead ratios) products in a variety of minerals, primarily zircons. By comparing the various ratios, it is possible to form a plot that directly shows the age of the rocks.
    I personally have dated rocks well over a billion years old.
    Colleagues have dated 4 billion year old rocks (nearly the age of the Earth).
    There are examples of the machine being used to date rocks almost 7 billion years old (meteorites in case you were wondering)
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    So, either the creationists are wrong, and the universe is AT least 7 billion years old (without resorting to any branch of science with even the least controversy), or somehow, the decay rates for various isotopes of Uranium and Thorium have all changed, AT EXACTLY THE SAME RATIO to the current levels, when all the observations and theory we have indicate that is impossible.
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    The timeframe of creationism is wrong. This leads to the assumption that the theory is wrong. In addition, the evidence of the fossil record, would tend towards disproving the creationistic view point. Considering the high regard with which these are held in the scientific community, I would think there is good reason to doubt creationism.
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    Then we get to ID. Now, we have to use a philosophical argument here, because that is the only differentiation between evolution and ID; the untestable extra variable.
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    From Occam’s razor alone, we would disregard the theory, assuming they where equally valid (they are not, as you can make verifiable predictions with evolution, you cannot with ID), that is more complicated. ID relies on the evolutionary mechanism, with a divine escape clause tacked on.
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    Even if it somehow passed this, we would still have the question of why.
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    What sort of loving god would create a strain of tuberculosis that is resitant to antibiotics, then allow it to infect and kill pious innocents?
    It happens in Russia.
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    What sort of just god allows an incurable HIV virus to be passed from a raped mother to her unborn child?
    It happens in Darfur.
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    What would be the motivation of any other being that might decide to play with all evolution on earth, from the microbial to the mammalian? What would possess them to waste billions of years doing it? HOW do they do it?
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    Until you can DEFINATIVELY answer those questions, Intelligent Design is a pointless theory, as we have a better than can explain the evidence in the testable domain.
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    Now lets see how many posts came while I wrote that.

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  325. 325 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    “A 25 year old loser created a religion. That is a joke. ”
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    Aren’t they all? Why single out CoFSM?
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    OEJ

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  326. 326 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    Not all religions are a joke. Most religions have logical reason and some proof supporting them. FSM does not. There is no proof that FSM ever exsisted. There is proof that Jesus could have exsisted. There is also proof that stories in the Bible are true. That is why COFSM is a joke. The religion has been around for one year and is hardly credible.

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  327. 327 - max-a-million - Dec 8th, 2006

    TO OEJ

    I’m back, so shall we pick up from where we left off.

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  328. 328 - J - Dec 8th, 2006

    Hang on, hang on, hang on, Caped Crusader.
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    ‘There is proof that Jesus could have exsisted. There is also proof that stories in the Bible are true.’
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    Yes. And there’s very good proof that pasta exists and that there used to be more pirates (proper pirates, mind) than there are today. Christianity is not Jesusianity. The existence of Jesus is not the point – the idea that he was The Christ, God Incarnate, is. There’s no more proof of that than there is of spaghetti existing as a flying, usually invisible, omnipotent FSM.
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    Pastafarianism has very similar logic to the ‘most religions’ you’re on about. It has a few logical(ish) links to the real world and then an internal logic of its own – as well as a lot of stuff that is not logic, but that looks a bit like it if you are very credulous, predisposed to believe, or a bit dense.

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  329. 329 - max-a-million - Dec 8th, 2006

    First of all God does not temp man, satan does. It also says in 1 corinthians 10:13 that, “there hath no tempation taken you but such as is common to man: but god is faithful, who will not suffer you to temptationalso make a way to escape that ye may be able to bear it.”

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  330. 330 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    Heya Max!
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    Sure. What would you like to discuss?
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    OEJ

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  331. 331 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    Max,
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    Going with the old, Satan is the serpent argument? Please show me the relevent biblical passage which supports that the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. The bible only mentions a serpent.
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    Either way it does not matter. If god is the creator of all, then he created both the serpent and Satan. Either way, God is the ultimate origin of the temptation in Genesis.
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    I don’t follow the relevence of 1 Cor 10:13 to the discussion. Could you exlpain?
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    OEJ

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  332. 332 - One Eyed Jack - Dec 8th, 2006

    Well said as always, J.

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  333. 333 - Spider - Dec 8th, 2006

    “Not all religions are a joke. Most religions have logical reason and some proof supporting them. FSM does not. There is no proof that FSM ever exsisted. There is proof that Jesus could have exsisted. There is also proof that stories in the Bible are true. That is why COFSM is a joke. The religion has been around for one year and is hardly credible.”
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    whoa there me hearties! some proof supporting them? where? i’ve missed it. please don’t say the collected fairy tales of hundreds of years worth of loonies rewritten by churches for their own ends (yes i do mean the bible) and what proof the stories are true? have you actually read the thing? it could have written by a spaced out tripping hippy for the coherence involved. So which bits are true? eden? the flood? all the animals going 2 by 2? the smiting of tribes for no other crime than living where the chosen few were promised by a leader that heard voices? do you hear the voices? if so i believe lithium helps….

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  334. 334 - max-a-million - Dec 8th, 2006

    1 cor. explains how when the devil temps you God gives you a way out of it, he only allows tempations that you can handle.
    The reason the allows tempation is becuase he is testing us to see if we are truely love him

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  335. 335 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    @ J
    I guess I can’t proove that Jesus was the son of God, but evidence of Gods work have been recorded. The Egyptians have records of plagues written on tomb walls. This could be a coincidence but they also wrote that the nile turned red. Gee thats hard to explain. Why would they write that unless it was true. And archaeologists have found chariots and military equipment at the bottom of the sea. A sign that the water did part. Sure spaghetti exsists but it doesn’t fly, have eyes, or create an entire world full of thousands of different species. Oh and who is this Wench Nikkiee person. Why are you judging James and Max-a-Million. Max-a-Million may not be too smart, but James usually has intelligent conversations pieces. They are smart and Australian people aren’t too bright either. Have any constructive criticism for me. Geez Australian loser…

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  336. 336 - Spider - Dec 8th, 2006

    hang on then. lets see if i’ve got this straight.
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    God allows satan to tempt us in the first place, but only enough so that we have a chance of pasing his “test”
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    The object of this test is to see if we love him enough
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    Since God is omniscient he must already know the answer and what we will do. Yet he torments us nonetheless.
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    Therefore we are tormented in order to find an answer he already knows but won’t share! the sadistic bastard…
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    if this is his attitude then he can get stuffed, tormenting otherwise innocent people for his pleasure is sick.

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  337. 337 - Caped Crusader - Dec 8th, 2006

    @Spider
    You seem to be joining this conversation too late to really understand whats going on. There is proof that Biblical accounts are historically accurate. Ask James about it he seems to know more about the Bible and has a stronger opinion about the subject than anyone on here.

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