“Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” “I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.” -Albert Einstein- Oh well. At least life is so good in this country we have the time to dedicate political discourse and web page design to the idea of whether or not people should be allowed to TALK about God.
-tomtsunami
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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-Corpus Callosum, I thought as much! You do live far away, yes?
I think the cat is alive. Maybe. There is just a statistical probability that it might be dead but we can’t know for certain until we open the box. It’s very confusing.
Penne: I live far away in a scary clown amusement park filled with evil clowns and Bozo is our king.
according to Schrodinger, the subjective nature of reality means that the cat is neither alive nor dead until someone actually opens the box and finds out.
Yeah. That’s the weird part.
But subjectively, the cat must experience being either alive or dead. I don’t think we experience an indeterminate state. So to itself, as an experiencer of its own experience, the cat is actually in one state or another, and if it’s alive, it knows it.
true, but since we have no means of ascertaining the cat’s thoughts while it is in the box, we have no grounds for assumption. indeed, if the cat is either dead or asleep, then no thoughts will be occurring at all (disregarding the argument that even cats can dream, of course).
WOW! I’ve heard something about this lately, but couldn’t find anyone learned enough to tell me more. Googlin it just got a lot of German websites. If it’s not too much trouble could you explain the theory or give me a good website?
Anna:
Here’s a fun site for you:
http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html
Here’s a more serious one: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci341236,00.html
Anna: Here’s a fun site for you:
http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html
Here’s a more serious one:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci341236,00.html
Hi Anna, just got my link working again. If you have a google for Schrodinger’s cat you should get something. Try Wikipedia, I’m sure there’ll be something there.
An interesting feature of this problem is its very subjectivity. We can’t decide the state of the radioactive atoms responsible for releasing the poison, so from our point of view, the cat is in an indeterminate state, neither dead nor alive, but from the cat’s point of view its state is not indeterminate at all. A Whiteheadian type process philosopher would say that whatever was in the box would have SOME sort of experience, however vague that might be, so there would always be a subjective experience of conditions in the box, and therefore events inside the box would be in a decided state (for the occupants of the box, not for those outside the box). I’m curious to know what you think of this.
Anna: Here some sites for you:
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http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci341236,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger’s_cat
Yes there is - but I think uncyclopedias version is better.
RAmen
Er, I’m a little teapot, short and stout ….
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Whiteheadian being a splinter group of the Acne School of Philosophy?
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Semi-seriously it does assume that we are the only animal capable of conscious thought.
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Is it the observer or the subject that collapses the waveform? In essence it’s a technical version of “..if a tree falls in the woods.”
Forgive me if this seems a touch inflamitory, but it’s 2:00 AM, I have a novel due in a week to the day, I haven’t gotten enough sleep in weeks, and I am pissed off. Here’s the comment: Did you know that Hitler was in favor of non-secular schools? It’s true. The quote is in the book Sweet Jesus I Hate Bill O’Reilly. Go look it up. Scary, eh? Besides, nobody ever said you couln’t talk about your God. We created this site to talk about our God. Are you saying that that is wrong? If so, isn’t your post here a little self-contradictory, like your Bible? You know, the one that says how you should love thy neighbor and shit and then goes on to talk about stoning the gays? The one that says that you can have your mother burned for wearing a garment made of two different threads, or some shit like that? Also, let me point out that some of us on this site live in America, a country where it is not only considered patriotic to debate about such volitile theo-political issues, but also our duty as good citizens? America was founded on principles of free speech, dumb ass. Ever heard of it? It’s fantastic. And you’ll notice that none of us are trying to suggest that you should shut up about our religion, though we may debate your talking points. That’s because we respect your right to belive wahtever crap you want to.
RAmen, already.
~W.A.
Werefox Alchemist
Yes, contrary to popular belief, Hitler was a Catholic, not an atheist, and felt that he was doing the Lord’s work by exterminating Jews.
RAmen
i like how einstein used the phrase that something is lame
That cat in a box stuff is all crap! Anybody who has a cat knows that if you put a cat in a box you are going to find out real quick if it is alive or not! Trust me ,it will let you know.You certainly don’t have to open it……..yourself.
The whole cat argument is flawed: long before anyone checks the box, the cat will have teleported itself into the nearest warm laundry cupboard, where it will spend the rest of the “experiment” dozing and depositing cat hair on your nice clean towels.