Comments on: straw-man fallacy

By: Vaniqa

Vaniqa — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:02:11 +0000

Vaniqa…

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By: aa9e4bd2574e1c2f54ac1cbff58cee1f

aa9e4bd2574e1c2f54ac1cbff58cee1f — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:10:33 +0000

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By: IJ

IJ — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:20:15 +0000

If we came about by evolution . . .
How does that disprove God?
You cannot disprove a Creator. Can something come from nothing? No color, no sound, no matter, no force of nature. Where did nature’s laws come from?
I love science and it is a beautiful, wondrous thing. I believe that some authority created all what is possible to create. I believe this because there is no reason otherwise. There is no reason for life to exist. There is no good reason we should continue toiling in this wearisome life if there is no God.

Why would God send His only Son to die?
The Son of God is one with God. He is God who came to the earth in the form of man.

Why would He create sinful man to begin with?
He did not. He created a being that knew not what it meant to be good, nor did he know what it meant to be ‘bad.’ He had free will, but knew not to use it, until he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. . .yet this was in God’s plan, as something would come out of it for His people.

God created all things for His pleasure. (Revelation 4:11) Before the world has made, He predestined salvation for human kind. (Look through Ephesians chpt. 1) With this knowledge we can say that it is God’s mysterious pleasure that we, His creation, dwell with Him in perfect unity and purity. Instead of making us like the angels, to whom it is nearly impossible to turn away from God, as they witness His glory . . . we are separated. Gold cannot come about unless it is refined by the fire. This life is simply an opportunity that God has given us to show our faith. The angels envy us for that, as they cannot show their faith. We can. . . and if we accept Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah, and be baptized in His name, God’s spirit is promised to us . . . and He will rid us, if we do not reject it, of our ’sinful nature’ that came by mortality. . . by Adam’s shortfall. . . and thus we will become immortal alongside Christ. And unlike Adam and Eve’s beginning, we will be reunited with God and know both good and evil–yet become in His likeness. We shall be pure in a wicked world. If we overcome through Him, we will reign with Him. If we thirst for righteousness, we will be filled. If we love Him, we will be with Him forevermore.

By: Adrastea

Adrastea — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:40:41 +0000

Oh, and one more thing:

Intelligent Design is not a fact, and even the person who originally posted this hate mail is inadvertently admitting to it. You do not believe in facts - you don’t need to because you know them to be true.

Or, to re-state: “I don’t believe in science. Believing in science is like believing in the postman - I don’t have to believe because I know he’s there and doing his job. Believing in religion is more like believing in Santa - you have to believe in lieu of any sort of hard evidence.”

~Adra

By: Adrastea

Adrastea — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:30:47 +0000

This is depressing.

Just when you being to think there might be some hope for the world after all, something like this makes you realise how deeply and offensively ignorant most people really are.

Point: Intelligent Design has absolutely zero scientific basis, and no reputable scientist would touch it with a twenty-foot barge pole. To be quite frank, the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory makes about as much sense as ID.

I am seriously scared for the future of the human race if people who can argue in favour of ID with a straight face are going to be running the world one day.

And please don’t generalise like that, Marc. I’m sixteen, but I’m certainly not going to be taken in by ID - as it happens I’m actively opposed to it.

~Adra

By: Oarless Marc

Oarless Marc — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:17:24 +0000

I am speechless. Are there any adults left on this fucking site? I am so tired of arguing with stupid teenagers. I am also scared to death of the future of our globe if these people are the best and the brightest of the next generation in power. Holy shit.

By: Oarless Marc

Oarless Marc — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:45 +0000

Straight Pride March? KKK March would be analogous. It spewed hated. The gay community fought against it because it was a showing of bigoted hatred. Uh, yeah, people should fight against this sort of thing. There is TONS of scientific evidence showing that gay couples are no better NOR NO WORSE than straight couples at raising children. The psychiatric community stopped considering homosexuality as a mental defect DECADES AGO. Holy shit, get into the 21st century! Your mindset is mindboggling!

By: jesus christ

jesus christ — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:21:49 +0000

@branded cow
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alright

By: Branded Cow

Branded Cow — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:19:27 +0000

I would love to keep this conversation going, but I gotta go. I have a final exam, then I’m going on an overnight drunk. Maybe I’ll talk to y’all when I’m good and belligerent.

By: jesus christ

jesus christ — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:10:53 +0000

@branded cow
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alright, i see your point. i didn’t know about the straight pride march, however. you’re right that about those things people get carried away. besides, i’m sure the straight pride wasn’t bashing gays, just showing straight pride, right. i won’t meddle in their lives, and i certainly hope they don’t meddle in my life.

By: Branded Cow

Branded Cow — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:06:52 +0000

I have no problem with their lifestyle, doesn’t really bother me. I just think that a homosexual couple is not a healthy setting to raise children in. Gnocci Man, I have to agree with you that society does treat them unfairly. The gay community is always being harassed, but they are not always willing to accept us heterosexuals. The gay community aggressively fought against the Straight Pride March.

By: Gnocci Man

Gnocci Man — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:55:01 +0000

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By: jesus christ

jesus christ — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:54:02 +0000

@branded cow
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at least tell me this, is it ok for a gay couple to live their lifestyle without you or i meddle with them. sure we will think it’s strange (because i am straight) but maybe it’s best that if we live our own lives and let them live their own, then maybe the whole issue might kinduv dissapear.

By: Gnocci Man

Gnocci Man — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:53:06 +0000

@Branded Cow
u ARE aware that homosexuals do not choose to be homosexuals, right? I can see parts of your argument, but if they can’t love someone of the opposite gender, why should we hurt them for it? It’s not like they are likely to have children, and besides; what with overpopulation and all having a few less people being born could really help. They can always get adopted children, which there appear to be plenty of. And if society can’t accept those who are different, then society clearly needs a very big revision. Now, as a heterosexual (straight) guy myself I can’t truly say what gays go through, but it’s pretty clear to me that the constant abuse they take has absolutely no basis whatsoever.
Can’t we all just get along for once?
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RAmen

By: Branded Cow

Branded Cow — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:11 +0000

Society is based on the family. The family unit is man woman and child. Any corruption of the family unit - gay marraige, childbirth out of wedlock, divorce, ect. - affects the whole society. That is why I feel that gay marraige is damaging and unnatural.

By: Oarless Marc

Oarless Marc — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:08:42 +0000

@Branded Cow — homosexuals go from friends to lovers just like heterosexuals go from friends to lovers. The only difference is that they are of the same sex. Cultural restrictions and taboos have made it harder for gays to live and function in life through the ages. This has led to some behavior that might be considered at the fringe. Ten percent of the population across races, continents, and the ages have been homosexual. This is a constant. Homosexuals have always been here and will always be here, in spite of the extermination attempts through history.
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I cannot see how allowing two people who love each other marry would undermine the family. Gay families are families. How does this threaten straight families? I don’t see the logic. I am not criticizing, just trying to understand. My feeling is that we should promote love and coupling into family units between consenting adults through the entire population, not just 90% of it.

By: Homo narrans

Homo narrans — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:57:31 +0000

i wouldn’t call homosexuality destructive to society as a whole, so long as the lifestyle remains a minority. when it gets to the point that the greater part of humanity is no longer willing (or able) to sexually reproduce, then we can lend credence to the notion of homosexuality being damaging.
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but for the time being at least, the only damage it truly causes is damage to an individual’s genes - homosexuals are, after all, cutting off their own genetic futures by being foregoing reproduction. so long as this practice isn’t so widespread as to threaten the genetic future of the human species, i say it doesn’t really matter what sexual orientation individual people pursue (excluding rape, paedophilia and non-consensual harm of course).

By: Branded Cow

Branded Cow — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:48:01 +0000

Please, don’t get the wrong idea, I never judge another’s lifestyle. I just don’t understand the mindset of homosexuality. I can understand how a person finds it easier to relate to and live with another person of the same sex, but I cannot see how you go from good friends to lovers. I think it is unnatural, and eitherway it is destructive to a healthy society. Ultimetly it is up to the individual how he or she decides to live, and that is one of the rights the great Flying Spaghetti Monster has granted us.

By: jesus christ

jesus christ — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:28:19 +0000

@branded cow
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i just hope you don’t think that gays are bad (which i’m going to say that you don’t). i used gay marriage as an example of the really religious people are trying to attack those with that lifestyle. for me, if someone is gay and wants to get married, then maybe they should. besides, i’m straight, so who am i to say gay marriage shouldn’t happen. also, homosexuality has been observed in may species of animals; an example is the lion. i can see your different viewpoints and i can respect them.
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you are definetly right about those who deny evolution. the worst part is there are actual those who somehow ’study’ intelligent design.
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i’m enjoying my talk with you. always feel free to discuss with me. may you be touched by his noodly appendage.
RAmen

By: Branded Cow

Branded Cow — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:21:37 +0000

@jesus christ: I don’t think that it is just fanatics that believe in those practices. I am atheist and argueably a man of reason, but I think gay marraige is unnatural and destructive to the family system that is the primary building block in our society. On abortion I can see both sides - pro and con. I can see where abortin is benificial, but in my owne live I will never encourage any woman to have one. Stem-cell research is underattack because of the use of aborted fetuses, and I think the science developed from this research will be benificial to mankind. As for evolution I just think some people are closing their eyes to the evidence.