Basic Straw-man Fallacy… They put up this stupid straw-man that nobody in their right mind would believe in(Pastafarian Religon) and then falliciously equate it to a real belief(Intelligent Design) that is supported by many scientists, in an attempt to refute that belief.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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Welcome, on your emergence from the closet, Pirate John. I’m sure couscous will be excceptable, for His Noodleyness appears to be very versatile reguarding such details.
RAmen
Couscous! Love it. Welcome, brother John!
Wie bist du, Dread Amish Pirate John? Mir gleiche die Amische brieder bsuche. Willkommen!
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OEJ
@ Pirate John
Yes, I find it funny how Egyptian culture has no global flood myth. If there had been a “Noah’s Flood”, why do the Egyptians have no record of it? The earliest people in Egypt were using sickles around 10,000 BCE. Hard archaeological evidence, imagine that.
@chaci
Fulfilling love, huh? Were you raped by a priest too?
@ Nikkiee
I found a couple of interesting articles concerning that gene similarity hypothesis you were working on. First the creationist analysis of a rescent study.
http://www.wdcmedia.com/newsArticle.php?ID=2306
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Then a lurvely rebutal from Mark Chu-Carroll, a real scientist. I think you’ll enjoy this.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/11/creationists_on_gene_variation.php
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RAmen
MJK :)
“BTW, all this massive, showy pastas… What about the humble couscous?”
At last, Dread Amish Pirate John, a real heretic!
To be a truly great religion doesn’t just mean worshipping the one true FSM (Pesto Be Upon Him).
It doesn’t even mean furious hatred of all those who believe in other, completely different, religions.
We’ll prove we are a real religion when we persecute the shit out of heretics in OUR ranks who believe in just slightly different versions of Pastafarianism.
Christians have had Catholics and Protestants at each oythers throats for centuries. the Shia and Sunni Muslims of Iraq are using the Kalashnikov, bomb and Black and Decker multi-speed drill on each other to great effect in Iraq.
Death to the Couscous-worshipping scum. Torture him horribly for all eternity. 1000 virgins in heaven for a true believer who shreds him into strips.
There, now we’re a real religion.
May the Sauce be with you.
@All
Ah, the love! (Not that involving ‘fulfilling’, or priests, just the filling love that is His carbohydrate kiss.)
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Re: Egypt, all current evidence shows that the pyramids were not built by slaves, but were an ancient WPA project: all Egyptians put in their time while the Nile was its highest - this way the farmers got fed while the fields were under water. Slaves don’t get several different types of bread and beer to eat, and they don’t usually compete with each other to see how much work they can complete in a day - a claim supported by grafitti found on building blocks. Skeletons found on site showed that medical care was available, and advanced, and people lived to be quite old even after suffering injuries which would condemn later Europeans to death. Quite different from CB DeMille’s view, no?
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Re: Pasta, just as there are humble sparrows and mighty eagles, so there are humble couscous and mighty lasagne.
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I hope there’s a coffee geyser down the road from the beer volcano.
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There’s only one drawback to being an Amish Pirate:
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Waterlogged.
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Horse.
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Funk.
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RAmen
I don’t get it. How can an Amish log on to a website?
He defected maybe?
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It’s not a straw-man, in that it doesn’t misrepresent the beliefs of ID followers. It’s just satire of it. It represents ID with the same amount of evidence (none), but in a way that clearly shows how unscientific, and just goofy that ID is. ID is just a supernatural, untestable, unscientific hypothesis, with no evidence to its name, that has the huge problem of explaining where the designer, which is at least as complex as its creation, came from (And no, the whole “God was around forever” nonsense doesn’t work, as if you postulate eternal existence, there’s no need to also postulate a designer)
What “scientists” is this nut talking about? The only scientists I know, laugh their asses off at ID. I for one, as a scientist (w/ a Master’s) and a high school science teacher think ID is assanine. But, true enough that if someday (all deities forbid) we have to teach crap like ID in school, I will willingly teach FSM along with ID.
I use an abacus.
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You have to click the ferrite beads really quick, in a magnetic field, next to a telephone line.
Dread Amish Pirate John
Program your abacus for another thread. This one takes too long to load!
RAmen
We seem to have missed the point here guys.
FSM is not a straw man. Formally FSM is an ID theory.
ID argues ‘look around the world, see its complexity surely such brilliance is product of intent randomness can create all this. This must be the product of a intelligent design’.
While you’re doing that looking make a note the disease, poverty, disaters, unhappiness, violence, wasps, reality TV shows, etc. and think ‘hang on there may [or may not] be some intelligence in this but this far from perfect’.
That intelligence if there was any was either:
* Bounded by practical contraints of time, resources, laws of physics, etc. and so not the Christian God by definition.
* Not clever enough to do a good job [so not the Christian God]
* Wasn’t creating it for their own purpose but bound by higher authority [so not the Christian God]
* Doesn’t care what happens to us because he’s got a bigger plan [so not the Christian God]
This last point is where they flop in the mysterious ways distraction. God could achieve his purpose (whatever it is) without causing suffering. If he couldn’t he isn’t God, so he chooses to cause suffering out of a whim and professes to love his creation.
Whereas FSM proposes that the I in ID is a flying spaghetti monster who might have been a bit drunk. Look around the world now and tell me this Mr Perfect Christian God is a better candidate for the I in ID than the FSM proposition.
Its no contest. Our world is full of some great stuff and some supremely shit stuff and if your philosophy doesn’t accomodate that in a convincing way then frankly its crap. Dump it.
The mysterious ways device doesn’t fly - unlike the FSM ;).
That doesn’t make FSM true, but at least it is still on the list. That Christian nonsense simply can’t be true. There is no gap.
God can not love you and let bad things happen because he doesn’t have to let bad things happen because he controls everything and could at a whim stop bad things happening. But they continue. Why?
‘Mysterious Ways’ is a hollow argument. There’s nothing in it. It’s the Christians way of saying ‘we know there’s a flapping hole in our argument but would ask you kindly to overlook it and accept that the whole based on the rest of the argument’. Well no I shall not. Fill the hole or retire from the debate. You can’t simply accept your argument is flawed and still win. Remember this isn’t incomplete, this is flawed. There is nothing that could fit the whole. There is no reason why a good God lets bad things happen.
‘mysterious ways’ can not compete with ‘random or imperfect ID’. Don’t entertain it again.
RAmen Dan RAmen
There is not one legitimate scientist that belives in ID. Science requires generating a hypothesis and testing it. You can’t test ID, you have to believe it.
For it to be science one must be able to reject the hypothesis if there is no evidence to support it.
They won’t reject ID even though there is no evidence of supernatural intervention. Ergo, it is not science.
Come on we must all know by now that ID was actually created by lawyers as a way to get around the US Constitution.
@jon E
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do you mean phillip e. johnson. what a fucking stupid fuck. just because he’s a lawyer doesn’t mean he has the right to think science. he is trying to create a theocracy like all those other religious fucks. did you know he also thinks that AIDS isn’t just caused by HIV. what a dumb old fuck.