straw-man fallacy

Basic Straw-man Fallacy… They put up this stupid straw-man that nobody in their right mind would believe in(Pastafarian Religon) and then falliciously equate it to a real belief(Intelligent Design) that is supported by many scientists, in an attempt to refute that belief.

-vashsunglasses

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  1. 681 Homo narrans Nov 25th, 2006 at 2:45 am

    wow. we have over 679 posts on this topic. is that some kind of a record? a shame most of it is Herr Doktor’s self-absorbed prattling.

  2. 682 Mad John Kidd Nov 25th, 2006 at 3:25 am

    Ken Ham, founder of AiG, tells the truth.

    .

    Nikkiee—I am so getting a t-shirt with “I am a smug assclown member of the evolutionary science conspiracy”

    I’ll take one in extra-large. And a small for my nephew.

    .

    H. narrans

    I couldn’t resist adding another post.

    .

    RAmen

  3. 683 Mad John Kidd Nov 25th, 2006 at 3:39 am

    Ooops, the link didn’t go through. Let’s try this again.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/05/plainspoken_ken_ham.php

  4. 684 Homo narrans Nov 25th, 2006 at 4:03 am

    “All scientists start with presuppositions. If you’re starting point is ‘we can explain the origin of the universe without the supernatural’, that’s a bias.”

    yep, that sounds like Ken Ham. and like the aforementioned website, i’d love to hear his propositions on how we do supernatural science.

  5. 685 Swabbies Bucket Nov 25th, 2006 at 8:25 am

    Mornin’ Mateys.
    I’m off to pick some grapes, sell some bibles and earn some credentials and stuff!
    Just wanted to say mornin’!
    And to tell ya, if the good Docter Mike should show up.
    To listen to everyone of his twelve-thousand, (or more) (words of wisdom)?
    ‘Cause that dude is really really smart! And should not be ignored!
    Besides being one of the FSMs creations, he has an open email AND an 800 number!
    The Doc has a lot happening for him! Best to heed his advice!
    Ok, off to the grape vines for me.
    Ya’ll have a sunshiny day!

  6. 686 Alchemist Nov 25th, 2006 at 9:35 am

    Pick a nice juicy one for me Swabbies (and bit of Revelations from your fine leather clad bibles, please :-0)
    .
    Still no e-mail from Dr. ctrl. C / ctrl. V - I’ve got to work on my people skills.

  7. 687 Anna Nov 25th, 2006 at 4:38 pm

    Hmm… Herr Dooktor hasn’t responded in a while, I’m taking this as a sign. Mabye Q decided to smite him for copying and pasting addiction.^_^
    @ Hommo N- I think this IS a record, it takes my computer 2 and 1/2 minutes to download it all now.
    @ Allchemist- I am a skeptic in some things, and not in others. For example, I’m gonna be a skeptic of bigfoot till there’s news of mauled campers. I am not a skeptic of cow abductions, because how else do you explain thier total ambivailance to the fact we kill them daily? Brain experiments, I’m telling you. We’re probably next.

  8. 688 Alchemist Nov 25th, 2006 at 5:07 pm

    Hahaha. I always thought Q was a bit too self assured (why do baddies always have semi-English accents?).
    .
    Mind you if I was an omnipresent entity I’d be a complete fool. Prime Directive - sod that -’worship me know or I shall maketh thy DSL fail mwaahaha’
    .
    Cows are nice, that’s why I’m veggie. Crop circles though. Scary stuff - it’s probably those Thetans that Tom Cruise talks to.

  9. 689 gill Nov 25th, 2006 at 7:09 pm

    Alchemist– if you were an omnipresent entity the world would either be really awsome, or totally screwed. Can’t quite decide which.

  10. 690 Alchemist Nov 25th, 2006 at 7:26 pm

    gill - screwed. Totally, utterly screwed. I wouldn’t read the manual, spill beer on it, bend the corners over and probably drop it in the bath.
    .
    We’d have a laugh though!

  11. 691 Penne Nov 25th, 2006 at 7:43 pm

    -Wench Nikkiee,How could you wear such a T-shirt?Clowns are pure evil,and the ones that hang out around asses are even worse.

  12. 692 Alchemist Nov 25th, 2006 at 7:57 pm

    Got to go. I’m picking up a new addition tomorrow. A little Cairn Terrier. Hell, this is like Walpurgisnacht or xmas. I’m excited. See you soon

  13. 693 gill Nov 25th, 2006 at 8:00 pm

    Alchemist–”We’d have a laugh though!” Good enough for me.

  14. 694 TRIX Nov 25th, 2006 at 8:00 pm

    I think Q (that practical joker, he is!) transported Herr Doktor to a universe where everyone worships the FSM, just for fun.
    Oh, and I was never aware that Q talked in an english accent, I thought he changed his accent to mess with his ‘victims’

  15. 695 Mad John Kidd Nov 25th, 2006 at 9:32 pm

    Herr Doktor—”All I can say is that if they believe in Jesus Christ, they’re going to heaven.”

    .

    So why all the cut-n-paste crappola if this was all you really had to say?

    That’s the problem with feeding trolls, they tend to leave a lot of dung behind.

    RAmen

  16. 696 Peg Leg Dave Nov 26th, 2006 at 12:36 am

    @Michael Martin
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    could you please provide a list of some of your notable publications. I would be very interested to read them. With 3 PhD’s you should have many. I would also be interested in the titles of your PhD theses and the names of the Universities that you submitted them at. I should be able to get a copy of them on inter-library loan.
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    You have mentioned that through your work at NIH you encountered some “generic and weird” things that could not be explained by evolution (I have quoted the post below). Could you please elaborate on what these things were? A careful analyzation would help me out. Actually it is analysis but a man with 3 PhD’s would know that and wouldn’t use such poor English (But see; Dr. Michael Martin Nov 24th, 2006 at 3:42 pm, this thread).
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    “Dr. Michael Martin Nov 22nd, 2006 at 9:03 pm
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    I will leave you with my story of how I become a Christian.
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    I was sitting in a lab, working at NIH one day, studying cancerous tumors, and Genetics started to not fit the place of Evolution. I just noted some really generic and weird things that could not be explained by Evolution. I remember people telling me though, “we’ll find it in the future…we’ll find it in the future.” But I kept studying some things in the past, we turns out, this was quite redundant to prior Evolutionists (the same exact issues I might add). This got me to question Evolution altogether, and start an incredible journey that eventually led me to faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ afterwards. This has been really rewarding and well worth it all. I encourage each of you to seek out Christ, just like I did. Believe me, from going from Atheism to Christianity, its definitely WELL worth it :).”

  17. 697 Wench Nikkiee Nov 26th, 2006 at 2:37 am

    @Mad John Kidd
    RAmen Mad John.
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    @Peg Leg Dave
    You are spot on, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for references if I were you.
    Lanquage like that would have been thrown out in first year!

  18. 698 Jon888 Nov 26th, 2006 at 4:26 pm

    This probably doesn’t follow the thread but I must say this, I HATE occams Razor law trying to prove ID, it doesn’t work, it is only generalizing. For example tell me which is simpler, it took millions of years of evolution and technology to build a prodoct wtih thousands of parts that work to gether to put a picture of a several fish swimming around in motion on a synthetic screen AKA a screen-saver. or a magical being put those fish there and they swim around by magic. Well obviously the magical being is simpler but with maybe the exception of the millions of years (maybe more maybe less) the first part is correct. SO DAMN YOU OCCAM for confusing thousand of semi-educated Americans (and other countrymen)!

  19. 699 Anna Nov 26th, 2006 at 4:40 pm

    @ Alchemist- So happy for you! terriers are cute! I have one myself. She’s sitting on my lap right now, trying to figure out what I’m doing.

  20. 700 moochie Nov 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pm

    Come out to play, Doc! I’d love to hear your thoughts on vacuum fluctuations (see about 4 dozen posts up that way ^).

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