Basic Straw-man Fallacy… They put up this stupid straw-man that nobody in their right mind would believe in(Pastafarian Religon) and then falliciously equate it to a real belief(Intelligent Design) that is supported by many scientists, in an attempt to refute that belief.
-vashsunglasses
Ah-ha! The basic “many scientists” fallacy!
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*NAME* the “many scientists” and I’ll join up with ID and my local evangelical church right *now*.
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In your own time, shipmate…
do you even know what “straw-man” refers to? obviously not.
It’s painfully clear that ignorant religion only fights back against FSM because it so obviously spells the end of their idiotic beliefs.
Henderob, you are my messiah!
Noodles to all
We put bushie in office? Whats your point?
Got Weed?
A straw man is making an argument for the other person, that the other person really didnt make, and arguing agaisnt it. Not a straw man here, this is just some really good satire.
He called our God a Straw Man — our beloved, starchy, nourishing FSM. How dare he! How dare he equate our God to dead grass shafts! Oh no, my friend, the All Powerful FSM is NOT made of straw. Nor is he tin or a lion! No, he is wonderfully dangly. Terrifically but perfectly spicy. And has big meatballs. Our God could beat up your Straw Man any day of the week! So there!
vashsunglasses
“equate it to a real belief(Intelligent Design)”
Could you re-read your own post a few times and do it slowly. They help us so much.
Thank you
RAmen
Basic Straw-man Fallacy… They put up this stupid straw-man that nobody in their right mind would believe in (Intelligent Design) and then falliciously equate it to a real belief (Pastafarian Religon) that is supported by many scientists, in an attempt to refute that belief.
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-Cap’nUberbob
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Take a moment to learn what a straw man is. While you’re at it, look up “reductio ad absurdum.” To learn is to grow. New things are often hard at first, but give it a shot.
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OEJ
@Nikkiee
I thought I was the only one here who read “vash” as you did. But, it needs even more of the quote: “…equate it to a real belief(Intelligent Design) that is supported by many scientists,…” They’re not real scientists if they support ID. Arrrrrrr.
To quote Vishnu ‘ Oh bugger the handle’s come off!’
@Noodle Noggin
I just loved the “real belief” bit since they keep screaming that it is science and not religous belief.
RAmen
Have you ever been there? I have, I’ve seen the edge I’ve been there. It’s lumpy and painted with Dulux golden wheat silk emulsion.
I really love how people angrily write to this website for no real reason. If you don’t appreciate satire, then you shouldn’t be looking at this website.
Oh, and equating Pastafarian religion with intelligent design really isn’t that silly… So Pastafarians believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster, and you believe in a big man in the sky who if you don’t do exactly as he says will send you to hell to burn forever and ever and ever…. but he loves you! I’m not sure which viewpoint is sillier…
Dear good sir,
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Over 98% of scientists believe (i use this word even though its been proven) evolution to be fact. This clearly shows the incongruity between you belief that “many scientists” support ID and fact. Up yours.
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Nick W.
@Nick2
It would probably be more correct to say that scientsts accept the theory as true based on overwhelming evidence. You don’t “believe in” science, you believe in religion. Science is something you test and observe.
vashsunglasses please enlighten me on the ins and outs of ID; tell me how it is not simply creationism in disguise. The only difference I see is that creationism names a very specific creator, while in ID aliens could have created us, or Elvis, or a penguin, or Thor, or a muskrat, or the FSM. OR you could believe in empirical evidence. During the 1950’s and later in the 70’s scientists experimented with the concept of spontaneous formation of life, showing that given the elements that are thought to have existed on Earth at the time life could spontaneously form (I will provide links if wished, however I will be out tonight so the earliest you can hope for is Saturday). During the next 3 or 4 billion years life slowly changed (i.e. evolved) into all the species we have now. Which, quite frankly makes more sense then, “god†said so so it was.
Ramen
Wow, eloquent stuff. Especially from a bunch of Americans.
“while in ID aliens could have created us, or Elvis, or a penguin, or Thor, or a muskrat, or the FSM.”
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I’d go with Elvis. He’s the king, baby.
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A note to all the other fuckheads like vashsunglasses: Don’t tell us things like ‘many scientists support ID.’ SHOW US. Give us links to these ‘many scientists’. Have them sign a petition and send it to us. Give us PROOF. And then, we will give you a big bowl of spaghetti. Hell, even if you fail, you get the spaghetti. Because we’re cool like that.
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Prais the pasta, and pass the parmesan.
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May the sauce be with you.
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RAmen.
Where the hell are the strawberries?
They said come here….. and get strawberries????
strawberries strawberries, get ‘em while they’re ‘ot!
‘while in ID aliens could have created us, or Elvis, or a penguin, or Thor, or a muskrat, or the FSM.’
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I believe their propaganda spin doctors thought this may help to sell the “idea” (mostly a cobbling together of lifted bits and pieces of lready presented “ideas”) to all the other brands of religion.
RAmen
@norman normal
Are you by any chance Penne’s brother?
RAmen
Yes, but when i talk to people they really just don’t know shit about science. American schools are fucking terrible. Then again, it might be the FSM’s plan, pirates weren’t much for school, see the connection?
RAmen
K’ Heres the deal, My friend Maxwell told me to come over here and help free the lost ones!
I’ve got to weed through these posts and figure out who they are?
Unless Max shows up, or someone else points them out to me?
Sometimes it’s a bitch, being a noodle!
There are lost christians on every thread and their indoctrination has been very thorough so good luck. Did “they” get Maxwell?
I sure hope not?
He sent me here yesterday, I just now arrived.
Haven’t seen Max yet? Hope all is well.
The Scientologists got Maxwell? I am praying to pasta for his safe return.
Many scientists? There are far more people on the project Steve list than there are on any creationist list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp
The wiki link can tells the story as the official sites link is dead at the moment.
Wording of the statement signe, taken from the wikipedia article
” The signed statement reads:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things
share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to “intelligent design,” to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation’s public schools. ”
Notice that this statementactually means what its being said to say, also mentioned in the article is a ”four-day, word-of-mouth petition of scientists in support of evolution in October 2005” with over 7,000 verifiable scientists. Link to article:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scientific_Support_For_Darwinism
Now some things from the creationist side,
”Scientists and other Intellectuals that Doubt Darwinism
This list from the Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Club club has done those involved with the controversy a great favor by sifting through the many lists of evolution deniers that have been developed over the years to make this master list of nearly five hundred persons including scientists, authors, lawyers, linguists, a television script writer, a theological ethicist, and a political speech writer. It should not list the late Colin Patterson. Francis Crick, an NCSE member who has signed a strong pro-evolution statement, is an example of a questionable entry.”
From
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/
How on Earth does a lawyer’s, television script writer’s or political speech writer’s opinion hold any weight on the subject whatsoever?
Our friends at AIG also have a list
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/
Although I fail to see how a ‘Creation Scientist’ can possibly claim to be unbiased?
Also, does anyone know what difference a Creation Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering Ph.D. has to a normal Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering Ph.D.?
They’re list also seems to presume to speak to the dead, or just assume those people from long before the Theory of Evolution was even put forward, would still believe in Creation if presented with todays evidence, even those at Darwin’s time and shortly afterwards would be forced to at least consider it if faced with todays evidence.
I don’t believe he has posted since he went out to battle the scientologicst and fundis about a day and a half past. As far as I know there has been no ransom note. They would be more likely to just try and brainwash him though. May the all the Noodles be with you Maxwell.
RAmen
Damn. may Maxwell have the strength and the will to pull through!
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I’m sure the FSM is smiling upon him.
Well, They won’t brainwash Max, I don’t think anyway.
Me and Max went through anti-pasta hell and back in another forum awhile ago.
Max is tough! Maybe got lost in a case or three of Labatts blue light though.
That is a weakness we both share. Well that and Donuts, it’s a long story really.
I will say a silent prayer for Max, and drink massive quantities of brew, awaiting his safe return……. A moment of non-existent silence ……………………. MMMkay……………….. that should do it!
RAmen
‘real science (intelligent design) is supported by many scientists’
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you can smell that bullshit through your computer screen. the only non-scientists that believe in intelligent design work at an institute with a completely unoriginal name. they also have a different agenda. religion, just keep the fuck out of our lives.
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thank you
I’m Max, but probably not the one you’re looking for.
@vash: ID is not science. Science is the study of natural laws and phenomena. ID, by definition, requires supernatural intervention. Ergo, it is not science.
@Jesus Christ
“just keep the fuck out of our lives.”
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Remember that we are the “Enemy” Jesus as stated on the IRC site!
Has anyone seen Maxwell?
‘99, I’m still lookin’
Jesus Christ…. You’re going to hell for using the LORDS name in vane! You dumb fuck! Geez!
Hey jesus christ, you ever heard of hicuppocrisy before?
Holy batballs buddy! Yer in big trouble with the big guy!
Better start repentin’ and stuff!
What are these people talking about cheesus?
err..I mean Jesus. So many sons, just can’t keep track of them all!
Jesus??…are you the good son?
“hicuppocrisy”?
Try drinking a glass of water upside down. That should cure it.
@DJH:
I LOL’d
Don’t blast jesus christ like that. He’s a cool guy. He posts good info, and replies we can agree on.
Oh, Learn to spell, you buttmonkey.
Davey Jones’ Hacker.
Hahahaha……..You were always one of favourites, Davey.
ps Please don’t let on to the others that I feel this way, lest they start smiting each other again.
Interesting to say the least… Huummmmm
Oh well?
Maxwell come out to plaaaayyy……..
Well if anyone hears from Maxwell, tell him to get on his shoe and call me. I’ll go see if he is in the door. (again !!!)
He is probably on the spaceship by now.
Hmmm. Personally, I love spaghetti, but this is a joke- I hurt for you, because I know that God is just. This may just be a funny, odd sight, but it really makes me sad that anyone would write these things. I love Jesus Christ, I love my God (the only God, by the way) and I have never found such a fulfilling love as what I have in Him. Do you realize the seriousness of what you are doing? It’s blasphemous. If only you knew…someday you will, I suppose. I’m sorry for you.
This is ridiculous.
What’s ridiculous is that you are so stupid, you don’t realize the truth. Are you so blind you can’t see the satirical nature of this site, or do just not understand what satire is? Maybe, one day, you will be touched by FSM’s noodly appendage, and see through the inadequacy of your god(s).
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Praise the pasta and pass the parmesan.
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May the sauce be with you.
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RAmen.
@ chaci, Are you sure it’s blasphemy???
I was thinkin’ just a simple case of hicuppocrisy, myself?
Nothing that a twelve pack of Labatts couldn’t remedy.
@ MFBFM
Beer is the remedy to everything. Why do you think we get beer volcanos in heaven? That, and a stripper factory.
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Praise the pasta and pass the parmesan.
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May the sauce be with you.
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RAmen.
@chaci
‘I have never found such a fulfilling love as what I have in Him’
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Fulfilling love is just how I’d put it. The day I started not wanting the love of god is the day that I realized that if he was everywhere he must be up my ass. I didn’t want him to love me THAT much.
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It does explain the behavior of his clergy. I guess they are trying to follow where he leads.
@ Kite, Well hell yeah!
Beer fixes most stuff, fer sure! I just saw the volcanos! Witnessed with my own eye!
The more I lurk here, the more I feel I belong!
All hail the FSM!
RAmen
ok, first of all, Mr. Ramen, I only believe in ONE God, second of all, even if it is satire, i don’t care - its still blasphemous. Jesus gave His life for you!! I mean seriously, how can you undermine that with such ease???
@ Fr. Corpus
God still loves you.
I’m sorry that you don’t love him - you’re missing out.
Yes, but can Jesus give me a beer Volcano and a stripper factory? I doubt, considering the bastard owes me 20 bucks that I lent him for gas.
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That’s the last time I go on roadtrips with deities.
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Praise the pasta and pass the parmesan.
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May the sauce be with you.
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RAmen.
@chaci
It’s a shame the your god has no sense of humour. While our god is just…a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Let’s examine some of your god’s sense of justice.
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”—Exodus 21: 20-21
Yo, chaci, One simple question for you.
Don’t drag it out, don’t stutter.
Just tell me, why this God of yours killed his ONLY son for me?
I’ve got one kid myself, I sure as hell wouldn’t kill her for YOU or anybody really.
Just answer that in under three hundred non-condescending, sensible words.
Nah, don’t bother, I don’t want to hear your groans.
RAmen
Yo, chaci, I forgot to ask, hows Joanie doin’?
She still got that nice ass?
@ MBFM:
Dude, that’s the point. Because He LOVES you.
Was that sensible enough?
Oh, and by the way, Jesus rose from the dead - He conquored death. He isn’t dead. And do you think that it didn’t hurt God to see His only Son dying? I wish you could know His love!
Jesus did not give his life for us.
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He gave his life for being a rabble rouser in the roman empire. He was then retconned into being a hero, like all martyrs.
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Also, as MJK pointed out, your god was seriously disturbed. No compasionate god would treat a slave as less then human.
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Hell, the Jews where supposed to be a slave race, and they bloody well came up with that. HICUPPROSY (:p)
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Finally, I have outlined it on another thread; the bible is completely worthless as a reference source. Whether regarded by internal consistency (there isn’t any), or relative to other texts (torah and Qur’an are both superior in terms of referential qualifications), the bible is not worthy as an oject by which to govern our lives.
-nikkiee-Are you by any chance Penne’s brother?-What in the FSM is that supposted to mean? I have two brothers but they would never come here ,ones religious and an idiot and the other is, well, the only way he’d look at a FSM is if it were draped over a naked woman,a game console or a burito.
Don’t forget that Jesus also owes me 20 bucks. =O
thank you for your input, chaci, first off i’d like to acknowledge (spelled rite?) that you do have more brains (and more balls for that matter) than the average christian to go onto a “heathen” website and actually post a reply (not to mention follow it up). Anyway, I’m quite sure somebody on this site might literally believe that a flying spaghetti monster created everything (are they fundies?), so your remarks are well made. I wish you find your happiness in jesus and God fulfilling (i know i once did), but i only wish this because you clearly have no doubt about your faith. You are a happiness-seeking person; while we FSMists are truth-seeking people. The difference is that we would rather be right than happy (at least in a religious sense; but there’s always the beer), and the opposite goes for you. I remember that the reason I left Russian Orthodoxy was because my priest couldn’t explain some things and claimed them to be “a mystery” (ie origins of God, human suffering, dinosaurs, evolution, etc…). I replied that I couldn’t be a part of a religion that left something to mystery. And that is the ultimate question you must ask yourself, chaci… Can you be part of a faith where you are not sure why things are the way they are? If your answer is yes, then I applaud your faith and hope you find your happiness in Jesus and the Lord. If not, take our religion for a test-drive. Think about it…seriously….
–tha beast from tha east
He is dead. He isn’t dead.When will these people make up their minds?You can’t have your unlevened bread and eat it too,ya know!
@ chaci
Right, here comes the old bow ‘down to the blood-sucking, flesh-eating zombie on a stick’ nonsense. Please Jesus, protect us from your followers.
RAmen
chaci dude.
I’m sorry, but killing your only son doesn’t prove that you LOVE anybody, only that you are a sadistic bastard! Don’t give a shit he “rises from the dead” shouldn’t have been killed to begin with! Thanks for that daddy, yeah right! Bet it hurt like hell to watch his kid die for ME!
Why did he die for me anyway?
Because all men are born with sin? Well who the fuck created all men to begin with?
Some kind of twisted joke I’ll wager.
thank you for your input, chaci, first off i’d like to acknowledge (spelled rite?) that you do have more brains (and more balls for that matter) than the average christian to go onto a “heathen” website and actually post a reply (not to mention follow it up). Anyway, I’m quite sure somebody on this site might literally believe that a flying spaghetti monster created everything (are they fundies?), so your remarks are well made. I wish you find your happiness in jesus and God fulfilling (i know i once did), but i only wish this because you clearly have no doubt about your faith. You are a happiness-seeking person; while we FSMists are truth-seeking people. The difference is that we would rather be right than happy (at least in a religious sense; but there’s always the beer), and the opposite goes for you. I remember that the reason I left Russian Orthodoxy was because my priest couldn’t explain some things and claimed them to be “a mystery” (ie origins of God, human suffering, dinosaurs, evolution, etc…). I replied that I couldn’t be a part of a religion that left something to mystery. And that is the ultimate question you must ask yourself, chaci… Can you be part of a faith where you are not sure why things are the way they are? If your answer is yes, then I applaud your faith and hope you find your happiness in Jesus and the Lord. If not, take our religion for a test-drive. Think about it … seriously…
–tha beast from tha east
@chaci
Hang on a sec. Jesus died for me - thought “well this sucks”. Rose back from death to say “i love you all, but i have to go home now”. Never to be seen again. NOW THATS SCIENCE!!!
Well, Maxwell didn’t show up.
The Jesus Police are rookies at best, I’m damn near out of beer, I think I’ll call it a night.
Nice meetin’ you ‘pasgetti heads, maybe we’ll rap again.
Peace and RAmen
MFB
RAmen Beast! Well said. I am the grandchild of a minister and have been there, done that. I am now well fed by my noodly master.
As previously said, chaci, you NEED to do more reading. Ask more questions. Don’t just be a sheep. Instead, become a meatball. *It* will all come to you when you are ready.
@ MFBFM
Beads and RAmen back at’cha. May you be eternally blessed by His noodly appendange.
chaci, ye without sin cast the first stone. You’ve come to this site judging our blasphemy. Have you never blasphemed? Being the creatures that God himself has made, he understands more than anyone why we sin. He loves us no matter what, as you so accurately stated. What do you gain for defending someone who needs no defense? Now i’m not god, but if i was, i think i’d want my faithful to do more productive things, than defend me against humorous satire. Now if you don’t like the FSM then don’t believe in him, but love thy neighbor as thyself, because God says so.
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Now what makes you sure that God doesn’t have a sence of humor? I believe there’s more evidence to support that he does.
1. The Platypus-relatively self explanatory.
2. Sex- Seriously, what’s up with that?
3. Sharks-Service with a smile!
4. Flatulation-Beans Beans the magical fruit…
5. Etc. Etc.
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I think what is most crucial in life is to live. Don’t get so hung up on trivial things such as who’s bad mouthing what and so on. This only detracts and prevents one from enlightenment and inner harmony. Live and believe whatever you want and don’t feel sorry about it, because life’s too damn short. Be content with your surroundings and appreciate what makes us diferent. When we cross over to the other side, it’s no longer going to matter who was right, because we’ll either be too over whelmed by those pearly gates, or completely nonexistant to bitch about it.
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From one Christian to another, thank you for your opinion.
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Our Lady of Garlic Bread, pray for us.
RAmen
nope the cast the first stone parable is not supposed to be in the bible, it was a story circulating in the 4th century, i believe… ill quote my source some other time
RAmen Brother!
RAmen Brother Rigatoni
The Lord said to Moses…”Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I will not go up among you, lest I consume you in the way, for you are a stiff-necked people.”—Exodus 33: 3
No pasta, no beer, no strippers, and prone to jugdment. Nice god.
Well seeing as how the bible was written, edited, re-written, cut, copied, and pasted by men, someone thought it was supposed to be in there. But whatever, never liked the Bible. Beginning seemed to cliche. “In the beginning..” wtf?
RAmen
RE-DONE-EL-DENT-EH?
Chaci–“I love my God (the only God, by the way)â€â€”Do me a favor and prove that one?
“Jesus gave His life for you!! I mean seriously, how can you undermine that with such ease???â€â€¦â€¦â€¦Cause the chances of that actually being true are close to nonexistent?
I wish these people would understand that what works for them doesn’t work for everyone else.
And the gates of heaven opened up and God said “…LOL”
Personally I think its all complete nonsense. Santa is the omnipotent being not some deity conjured up by a book of stories. I mean, we get presents every year from santa. What do we get from God? Therefore there is no proof of god but loads to support the existence of santa.
You’ve got to love the christian logic. God is so pissed off that the only way he can be unpissed is to kill somebody, so he kills his son, and then he isn’t mad anymore. Otherwise he would have to send everyone to suffer forever instead of just sending ALMOST everyone to suffer forever because he loves us so very much that he has to torture us for being bad. He doesn’t WANT to torture us; we made him do it by being so bad. Just think of a father getting arrested for killing his children and defending himself with logic like that. If he wasn’t judged mentally incompetent he’d be in prison forever as a mass murder. Nice god!
Don’t you people listen to normal normal the infidel! The real omnipotent being is the Easter Bunny! If he’s not real then where do all those easter eggs come from? Answer me that!!
I know this doesn’t really follow the thread, but I just have to say how much I love all you, my fellow Pastafarians! You all are the most fun bunch of people ever. Being touched by His noodly appendage was the best thing to happen to me in a long time. My love of pirates brought me to Him, and here I shall forever stay, happily floating in a creamy alfredo sauce.
Ramen!
RAmen Mighty Pirate Kalypso. Happy to have pirates like you aboard.
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@Fr. Corpus Callosum
“The real omnipotent being is the Easter Bunny!”
Blasphemy……blasphemer!
You meant where did all that pasta come from, didn’t you Fr.?
RAmen
Jesus seems like a good enough dude, but people who WORSHIP him make me nervous as hell. Same thing goes for Elvis and the Fonz.
Yeah, the old saying: “Jesus, please save us from your followers”
RAmen
@chaci - (or anyone else who thinks that way) - I read this great quote that is attributed to Martin Luther, but he probably didn’t say it actually. “For here I stand. I can do no other.” (Or words to that effect.) He supposedly expressed this sentiment in front of the Diet of Worms, where he was being asked to recant his statements about Catholicism. This relates to what you have said and who I am because I am constitutionally incapable of believing in Christianity or any other organized religion. It doesn’t matter how many times you say that your God loves me or what you say will happen to me if I don’t believe in your particular collection of myths. Not only that, but I don’t want to believe in what you have to say. Go ahead and have a wonderfully love-filled life with your beliefs, but please leave me alone. I wish you no ill will, but then again, I am becoming increasingly irritated by your self-righteous smugness. Your best bet would be to shut up and show me how wonderful your way of life is by your actions. That, I might take notice of and admire. RAmen.
I accepted the FSM as my Lord and Saviour. My dog got sick. I prayed and prayed to the FSM but my dog still died. What gives?
WARNING- DON’T ARGURE WITH CRISTIANS
they can find a counter augument for EVERYTHING therby making it IMPOSSIBLE to win an augument that is because they are making it up AS THEY ARE GOING ALONG.
e.g.
atheist-so whats this deal with dinosaurs?
cristian-they dont exist
atheist-how come i saw some in the natural history museium?
cristian-god put them there
atheist-but you said they didnt exist…
cristian- god is testing our faith
athieist-isnt he all knowing? shouldnt he know?
cristian- ect.. ect… blah blah blah
How amusing. He thinks that FSM is a straw man.
A strawman fallacy is when you make a caricature of your opponent into whos mouth you put bad arguments and ridicule.
1. By saying that we’re using the strawman fallacy in regard to FSM means that you yourself are a pastaferian because it implies that this FSM centred website makes a caricature of your beliefs. Congratulations on your fine choice my noodle-brother!
2. We don’t ridicule FSM, he is as logical a choice of deity as any other god. (In-fact, it would be worth dying just to see the reaction of passed on Christians when they see two meatballs and a lot of sentient pasta at the end of the tunnel)
3. We don’t need a caricature of ID to put easily defeated arguments into the mouth of. ID is it’s own caricature
4. Oooooh! Lots of scientists eh! For a start, how many people you get to follow you don’t matter, it’s the reasoning that counts. Even if it did, only a tiny percentage of “scientists” believe this crap so you still loose.
hello beastly rich,
could you explain what a straw man is a little more simply?
I am alitte confused. and would realy like to know (i thought i did)
@Jimmy James:
Nothing gives, the FSM was just drunk that day.
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Sorry ’bout your dog, dude.
Being new to this thread, I must say two things right away. First, the time stamps on many of your replies is a real concern. Second, having been recently saved from the idiocy of creationism and evangelical christianity, I feel like I have found a home. I will be the only pastafarian at thanksgiving this year and I’m going to feel out of place. Is it appropriate to bring my own plate of spaghetti? Speaking of “Christian Logic”, what about a loving god who apparently helps NFL running backs score touchdowns, but somehow doesn’t manage to save some poor guy on the other side of the planet from a tsunami?
Straw man, eh? If you’re talking about the kind of ’straws’ made from delicious egg pasta - then your talking my language Me Hearty!! Now join me to suckle at the tomatoey breast/meatball of our lord…..mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Grace,
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A straw man argument is where one side creates an intentional misrepresentation of the opposite side’s view only to knock it down.
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For example, characterizing all Christians as fundamentalists that believe the world is 6-10K years old and then hammering them with evidence that disproves it would be a straw man.
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OEJ
FSM’s noodly appendages are able to reach many NFL games simultaneously. He’s apparently quite the fan of this particular game.
Dread Pirate Roberts,
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Welcome! Always glad to have another cutlass on the deck.
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If you’re not ready to declare your new found faith to family and friends there are other options. Try taking a pasta salad to Thanksgiving. It’s not spaghetti, but close enough. You can quietly worship his noodliness without causing your family undue stress. Of course, when it comes time to share what you are thankful for, you might want to avoid topics like grog, wenches, parrots and treasure chests.
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OEJ
sorry, don’t know where is best to post this, the latest post should get the most views, but it isn’t really apt. And sorry if you’ve seen this before. I just came across it, don’t know where it came from, thought it was pure gold though:
Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
@bones
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Copied, pasted and kept - thanks for that! :-)
I’ve been trying to condense my thoughts into something like this for years-thanks! Remember, the scientific community is working together to try and disprove the existence of god because we are all rebellious and will do everything we can to avoid answering to a higher power. It’s a massive conspiracy! (is the root word of conspiracy- piracy? Probably not, but how cool would that be?) Arrgh! Aye!!
“sorry, don’t know where is best to post this, the latest post should get the most views, but it isn’t really apt. And sorry if you’ve seen this before.”
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Here are a couple of anagrams, I generated the first one, found the second online:
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Intelligent design = Negligent listened
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Religious fundamentalist = Futile rituals in God’s name
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jl
repost it everywhere you can, i think it speaks for itself, i only hope whoever wrote it wouldn’t mind.
but clearly they were open minded and would probably love to see it shown to the world by whatever means.
i’d love to hear how christians react to it
noodles to all!
http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm
hmm just found where it came from
heheh
If you only had a brain :)
Hey Maxwell…
Come out to plaaayyyaaaa….
bah! wayne?
What is it now?
What the heck is going on here????????
“1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.”
the last one is sadly true, everytime i get one of those types of Christians into a religious/historical arguement, they end up resorting to “i’ll pray for you” or “you’re going to hell.” but really, hell doesn’t seem too bad, it’s a dry heat.
quote: Eric Nov 18th, 2006 at 10:42 am
“1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.â€
the last one is sadly true, everytime i get one of those types of Christians into a religious/historical arguement, they end up resorting to “i’ll pray for you†or “you’re going to hell.†but really, hell doesn’t seem too bad, it’s a dry heat.
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Do they have beer there?
Interesting site, reading it gave me a new possible view of religions!
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Isn’t the Devil supposed to act through deciet, confusion and misinformation?
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Based on that doesn’t anyone else realise, that it’s possible the Devil brought religion into being, in order to do what religion has managed since it started?
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I mean getting people to commit attrocities does seem to be it’s most effecitve use and that site does seem to explain why a considerable number of people consider the bible to contradict, an omnibenevolant God allowing that? Come on get real…..
quoted from the jewish encyclopedia:
“Yet it is also evident from the prologue that Satan has no power of independent action, but requires the permission of God, which he may not transgress.He can not be regarded, therefore, as an opponent of the Deity; and the doctrine of monotheism is disturbed by his existence no more than by the presence of other beings before the face of God. This view is also retained in Zech. iii. 1-2, where Satan is described as the adversary of the high priest Joshua, and of the people of God whose representative the hierarch is; and he there opposes the “angel of the Lord,” who bids him be silent in the name of God. In both of these passages Satan is a mere accuser who acts only according to the permission of the Deity; but in I Chron. xxi. 1 he appears as one who is able to provoke David to destroy Israel. The Chronicler (third century B.C.) regards Satan as an independent agent, a view which is the more striking since the source whence he drew his account (II Sam. xxiv. 1) speaks of God Himself as the one who moved David against the children of Israel. Since the older conception refers all events, whether good or bad, to God alone (I Sam. xvi. 14; I Kings xxii. 22; Isa. xlv. 7; etc.), it is possible that the Chronicler, and perhaps even Zechariah, were influenced by Zoroastrianism, even though in the case of the prophet Jewish monism strongly opposed Iranian dualism (Stave, “Einfluss des Parsismus auf das Judenthum,” pp. 253 et seq.). An immediate influence of the Babylonian concept of the “accuser, persecutor, and oppressor” (Schrader, “K. A. T.” 3d ed., p. 463) is impossible, since traces of such an influence, if it had existed, would have appeared in the earlier portions of the Bible.”
satan? the devil? who knows? hope that helped, steve
@beast
I did a speech on satanism for my speech class (i put the class off for a few years) and i learned that Satan, as you posted is the “accuser,” while Lucifer is taken from the Babylonian (too lazy to check spelling) Venus god, who undergoes a similiar myth about falling from the heavens. There is some thought that the Jews picked up this myth while they were in exile in Babylon, and the devil…just a genertic name for a devil. How these names got all mixed up is beyond me. One more interesting point, the fall of Lucifer is not in the bible, it’s Christian myth.
Satan, hit his head pretty hard when he got bounced on outta heaven.
Why ya’ll trying to read so much into it?
Very good point. You’ve converted me to Christianity. *NOT*
I think religion was probably intended(at first anyway) to bring people together when it got started, to keep track of family and better inforce laws in a world that must have been quite wild and dangerous back then and to reinforce the community bonds when times were good(festivals,holidays,births,ect…)and to lend support and comfort when times were hard. Unfortunatly,there are always dinks who will come along and change the rules to benifit themselves ,to gain power over others and just pretty much screw the whole system up.You can see the results of this in just about every major religion out there today.
A recent example of this would be the pope nixing limbo in order to try and get more people to join up.
and he dresses funny too.
During a Papal audience, a businessman approached the Pope and made this offer: Change the last line of the Lord’s prayer from “give us this day our daily bread” to “give us this day our daily chicken” and KFC will donate 10 million dollars to Catholic charities.
The Pope shook his head and said no to the offer.
Two weeks later the businessman approached the Pope again, this time with a 50 million dollar offer.
Again the Pope declined.
A month later the man offers 100 million, and this time the Pope accepts.
At a meeting of the Cardinals, the Pope announces his decision.
“I have good news and bad news. The good news is, we have 100 million dollars for charities. The bad news is, we lost the Wonder Bread account.”
The crowd had cornered a woman and was preparing to stone her. Jesus raised his hand and spoke, “Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.” From the back of the crowd a small woman picked up a huge rock and staggered toward the poor victim. Jesus pointed a finger at her and said, “Stop it MOM! I was just trying to make a point!”
BA-BUM-BUM-CHING!
You have got to be kidding about the chicken thing, right? there is no way that can possibly be serious?
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not that i placed much stock in the Catholic chruch anyway, but if so they have just lost what little credibility they still had in my mind.
A woman takes her 16-year-old daughter to the doctor. The doctor says, “Okay, Mrs. Jones, what’s the problem?” The mother says, “It’s my daughter Darla. She keeps getting these cravings, she’s putting on weight, and is sick most mornings.” The doctor gives Darla a good examination, then turns to the mother and says, “Well, I don’t know how to tell you this, but your Darla is pregnant - about 4 months, would be my guess.” The mother says, “Pregnant?! She can’t be, she has never ever been left alone with a man! Have you, Darla?” Darla says, “No mother! I’ve never even kissed a man!” The doctor walked over to the window and just stares out of it. About five minutes pass and finally the mother says, “Is there something wrong out there doctor?” The doctor replies, “No, not really, it’s just that the last time anything like this happened, a star appeared in the east and three wise men came over the hill. I’ll be darned if I’m going to miss it this time!”
A kindergarten teacher was observing her classroom of children while they drew. She would occasionally walk around to see each child’s artwork. As she got to one little girl who was working diligently, she asked what the drawing was.
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The girl replied, “I’m drawing God.”
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The teacher paused and said, “But no one knows what God looks like.”
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Without missing a beat, or looking up from her drawing, the little girl replied, “They will in a minute.”