Problem, Spaghetti and pasta didn’t exist till the 500 - 900 AD. Google it knucklehead. Funny, yet it still does not address the problem of irreducible complexity. Too bad :( He missed the whole point.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
I have no problem with theistic evolution, (read my replies, I’m pastafarian), but that article mis-represents both evolution and creationism. She is defending creationism, yet doesn’t realize that most are YEC’s, who believe nothing of the sort that she is putting forth.
@Nick the Infidel
Because ID/creationism has no scientific data for support, they often use political coercion and twist the truth to fit their beliefs. Cherry-picking and quote-minig are amoung other common tacts. Are you familiar with
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
I have looked all around talk origins, they rule! The issue I have is that the author supports creationism, when she doesn’t even understand the basic tenets that creationsists propose. Worsely (is that a word?) She misrepresents basic tenets of biology.
She hasn’t been coerced by AIG or the Discovery Institute, she made all this up on her own.
Nick, I’ll read the article later as I’m a bit short on time. I did read the first few of your replies though and look forward to reading rest later as well. Well done!!
RAmen
@ Nick
I only caught the second page, so I had to go back and read the first. She could have been more specific on what a “normal biology class” was; that’s a bit vague. It gave no indication as to what level.
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I see your point, she does confuse YEC with Christianity, with scientists who believe in Christianity. She claims to be a scientist but is still in school. Normally, a practicing scientist would have graduated. Also “a scientist” is a bit vague. I would not consider a partical physicist to be any sort of expert on evolutionary biology. And I’m not suggesting that she is a physicist.
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Her God created a perfect world, yet the dinosaurs could have been a failed experiment. This negates the definition of perfect. Her knowledge of the fossil record is all but nonexistent. Evolution does not require belief in order to occur, creationism does.
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While evolution theory has progressed beyond Darwin’s orginal Theory of Natural Selection because of thing like genetics and a much larger fossil record the two are not independent from one another. In the end, she straddles the fence having failed to make a descent argument for or against either side. Evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive, but Christianity does not necessarily prelude evolution.
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Hope this has been of some help.
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RAmen
Thanks Mad John.
I’m pretty sure I know what biology class she is in, and its not the one for majors. Please copy your thoughts to that website so that my university can have some civil discourse for once.
I’m a hairs length away from recieving my masters in Biology, yet I don’t claim to be a scientist. I’ll wait till someone pays me the big bucks (Ha HA), before I adopt that title. Til then I’m just another “science bitch”.
On the topic of Fundie misrepresentation of evolution, have you noticed that they by and large are social Darwinists? The old “we are rich because we are superior”, and “the poor are poor because they are inferior/subhuman” line.
Fairly similar to most of those in power from Ancient Egypt through to early 20th Century European royalty who claimed they ruled by divine right. Free trade, and laissez-faire Ayn Rand economics are built on “survival of the fittest (read: greediest)”.
RAmen
Or the exact mentality that was the justification behind colonialism from around 1400 through the 1900’s. There’s no reason to include Darwin’s name in this crap, it was being justified long before Darwin postulated his totally unrelated theorem.
@ Nick…
What area does your thesis concern? If I may ask. I’m a field archaeologist by trade but my first degree was in field biology. I still like to keep up on curent issues in evolution theory.
@Pasta Parmesan
“The old “we are rich because we are superiorâ€, and “the poor are poor because they are inferior/subhumanâ€
Sounds a bit like “we are special and better because we believe in a supernatural being” and “they are inferior because they don’t” doesn’t it?
RAmen
Very true, social Darwinism has been flaunted by the likes of Adolf Hitler as well as Ted Haggard, yet they all seem to forget that the evolution of humans has lead to the Golden Rule, as well.
Anyone else get the feeling that there is no-one has been steering this galleon for the past 24hrs?
Lets see if this one works….
pasta farieism? wtf is that?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the funniest poke at fanatical Christianity that I have ever seen. It is completely hilarious that so many get upset and infuriated at something that is not in any way serious. The Flying Spaghetti Monster parody of Creationism is ingenius. And if the fanatical Christians don’t like it, well….screw them.
The fanatical Christians should bow to their sensei because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the funniest, most ingenius parody of Creationism I’ve ever seen. Anyone who is deeply offended by the FSM should get over themselves and learn how to take a joke. If they’re still offended….f*ck ‘em.
Yes, spaghetti is a recent invention, but it was made by man in the image of the FSM as a tribute to the great and undying entity that has saved so many souls. Spaghetti feeds the spirit and the body of the worshipper making him just a better person, adding bolognase sauce to symbolize the past sacrifices of FSM and olive oil to anoint the one true god is the road to true salvation. FSM is not a poke at christianity it is the one true salvation, try it or one of its disciples (farfelle, sapghettini, rotini, etc.) and be amazed at the power released within you by accepting the FSM into your body and mind.
I applaud this new religion. We haven’t had a decent new religion since the Mormans. I don’t count Scientology as a religion, even though they do.
I felt a need to respond to all of those that say the Pasta wasn’t created until 500 ad or so. This does not pre-empt he existance of the noodleful hevens.
Remember the Earth WAS FLAT until 1492. Then ONE MAN declared it was round. People generally came around and the world became round.
For the simple minded, it became round BY AGREEMENT. It WAS flat because everybody said it was, now it round BEACUSE we say so.
By my agreement, and others, the FSM becomes more real every day.
“By my agreement, and others, the FSM becomes more real every day.”
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You mean accepted as real.
RAmen
Pasta, in all it’s perfectness, was not realized until that time. It is quite a complex food that the FSM would not want us to know the secrets of until we were ready to take it.