Please do not take any offensive “hate mail” written by Christians as an example of Christianity. We are not very good Christians; we who use words of hate. You must understand, however, that you have completely pissed us off. This site is just stupid. The concept is stupid. I can give you evidence against evolution if you so desire.
I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people.
The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else. The same cannot be said for scientists, it appears. Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it. So, there is still a difference between the two sides.
I think this whole fight is futile. It is written that God’s children will be hated by all, and I can see that’s the way it’s going. Everybody hates Christians…
-Yet Another Christian
Do we have to be honest? The reason i ask; it wouldn’t be a polite opinion.
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HEY chap, your website is working fine. Just been there. Maybe you just forgot your own address.
Never mind here it is:
http://www.familychristian.com/
Does your mummy know what you are doing?
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The Aussie – Consider the following possibilities
1. Evolution
2. Evolution plus some guiding force ( be it FSM, God, the Great Green Arkleseizure…etc.. ) (2)
3. Evolution plus some inert secondary universe entirely filled with putty (or jellybeans or slag if you prefer ) but beyond the realm of perception that is somehow linked to the process.
Occum’s Razor says the additional bits in examples 2 and 3 add nothing to the theory; are not essential to it and the theory suffers not one bit for having them removed. i.e. they are unnecessary. Failure to apply this can lead to all sorts of ‘crazy’ stuff that it’s not possible to entirely disprove getting tacked on to a theory. You can see why it helps I am sure.
Cut the crap away. Keep the sweet, sweet, bolognese of life.
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Click on his post Aussie. I’m off to amen.com
RAmen
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Don, exactly what I have said on another thread.
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Jesus doesn’t believe in Occam’s Razor… he had a beard, remember?
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I’ll see your logic and raise you one hollow pink unicorn!
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There’s nowhere to say anything at that stupid site.
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1-877-4-GOSPEL… The gospel music channel… SCARY.
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Then there is the multitude of other crap on sale.
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That is rather sad, that they are so goddamn materialistic.
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Hmmmmmmmmm. Stakes a little high.
Tempted to raise you a virgin born flying skag hog……..but I shall fold like a winded IDist.
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I would first like to censure all of those writers who though are intelligent enough to understand how evolution works are not intelligent enough to know that science which is the essentially the systematic study of the PHYSICAL can only make predictions about the physical. Science does not make any religous predictions the same way that religion cannot make any scientific predictions. i.e. Neither the Bible nor the Quran nor the Vedas can say anything about the scientific reality of evolution or any other scientific theory. Similarly science has no business saying whether god does or does not exist. Whether or not you believe in god and whether or not you think that you belief stems from science keep that out of this debate.
Secondly, while in tha american vernacular, theory just means hunch or speculation, in scientific terms theories are what connect facts together in light of experimentation and evidence in order to make predictions. Scientifically speaking, thyeories do nit become facts. The whole point of science is to come up with theories. Every hypothesis has to be tested it mus make claims that can be tested. Hence that is why ID and creationsism is not scientific. Not scientific does not necessarily mean false, just not scientific. That is why ID cannot be taught in a science class.
Thirdly any form of literallism whether or not it is biblical or vedic (my own religion) is bad theology and even worse logic. Any religious text in the end has been written by MEN, and translated repeatedly by MEN. IN the end you only have their own word that they were divinely inspired. While the relion may be based significantly on their word, it is pointless try to look at insignificant details like geneologies and creation myths and then try to say that the bible can only be true if every single word of it is true. One should look beyond all that and see the real truths about love, kindness and forgiveness and the cultivation of virtues to better mankind.
Finally I am a hindu. If I were to suddenly start teaching in a science class that “at the beginning of time there was Lord Vishnu lying on the eternal sea with Sesha and out of His navel sprung a lotus which opened to reveal Brahma who then proceeded to create everything”, then a lot of people would object. Similarly it is very offensive to include in a Science class in a secular society other peoples religious views when they are not your own.
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No but lots of links to other sites with lots of links. No. Forums would have be severely moderated. Must maintain the severe control over the kids. Can’t have them being exposed to anything but our “jeezus”
RAmen
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@Lifeisbalance
If I knew the hindu expression for the projection of good will to another was, I would say it to you. I’ll settle for
RAmen
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CHILDREN THINKING!!! Oh dear lord, we cant have that, no sir-ee.
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In other news; stupoid, crazy, pasta-worshipping pirates gain more evidence in their fight against blind faith.
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Well, said, Lifeisbalance. I fully support keeping ID out of the science classroom.
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However, I am going to take issue with your statement, “Neither the Bible nor the Quran nor the Vedas can say anything about the scientific reality of evolution or any other scientific theory. Similarly science has no business saying whether god does or does not exist.”
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What you are describing is what Stephen Jay Gould called NOMA (nonoverlapping magisteria). This only works because there is no scientific evidence for a supreme being. Using NOMA lets religions off the hook. It allows them to escape any demand of proof by simply claiming that religion is a different magisteria and therefore not subject to examination by science. However, if there were scientific evidence you can be certain that religious pundits would embrace it completely and any talk of NOMA would be tossed aside.
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NOMA is an escape clause and nothing more.
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Science isn’t about answers…it’s about questions, the more we learn the more we realize that there is more to learn.
Faith is about accepting something without proof, without question. To question faith is heretical and a crime against god according to most religions, and people are being killed for this crime as I write this right now somewhere in the world.
I haven’t heard anyone being killed for not beliving in evolution.
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Science can never prove the supernatural because all explanations have to be taken from the natural world. So no need to worry.
BTW my sis made pasta the day before yesterday. It was really good!!!
RAmen
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I dont hate christians at all. My family is full of christians. Most of my friends are christians. Of course I do have a problem with your arguement that evolution should not be tought in schools because it offends your christian sensibilities. Schools are meant to teach scientific thought granted I think our schools discourage questioning and use rote learning. Evolution is a theory yes. But it is a close to accepted scientific fact as anything can be. People who stand on the its only a theory thing anoy me. If you understands the scientific method evolotuion will always remain a theory until a time machine is invented and evolution can be subjected to direct observation. In the time periods we are talking about there are no records of direct scientific observation so it will remain a theory no matter how much evidence is found. Sorry if evolution offends you but it is science and that is what schools are for. Churches, private schools, and at home is where our founding fathers intended relegion faith and spirituality to be tought.
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Guys Remeber that scientifically speaking, facts are entirely different from theories. THeories never become facts. theories explain facts. Please i beg everyone, refer only to scientific versions of the words theory and fact. Don’t fall into the creationist trap of conflating the lay and scientific uses of the words.
May the force be with you
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This is the best video that I ve seen trying to sum up the views of creationism in a concise way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=usrrj5jWd68
enjoy:)
I love this video. Because it totaly show how and why monkey’s evolved the oposable thumb to eat bananas. And why humans still eat bananas.
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Seth: not yet knowing every single detail about how and why organisms evolved the way they did does not mean that the development of life as we know it was caused by sky magic. Just an FYI.
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I personally don’t care what other religions think, i think any and all religions are stupid and pointless, but i do in fact follow Pastafarianism because its a lot for fun than agnosticism or atheism! besides, its just as valid as any other religion, you cant disprove that god, if he does exist, isn’t a flying spaghetti monster, so i don’t see why everyone is so upset, if we want to believe god is a spaghetti monster then let us and shut the hell up! you follow your “image” of god, and we’ll follow ours!
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I’m still waiting for the aforementioned promised overwhelming evidence that intelligent design is more likely than evolution.
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Well I think christianity is as much of a load of bollox as the flying spaghetti monster. That’s the whole point of it.
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by the way will FSM protect me from the invisible pink unicorn?
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May I suggest that some of the Christians offended by this site pick up a copy of Sam Harris’ “An Open Letter to a Christian Nation” at their local library or bookstore? I think confronting the enemy with reason and he critical thinking ability that God gave us (or not) might be a worthwhile excercise for many of these folks. As one of my professors once said, “Reporting the state of one’s glands does not an argument make.” Amen to that and their are ample responses on this board among the offended that are perfect examples of this very human, if flawed, tendency.
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@chap
nikkiee
Oct 24th, 2006 at 6:29 am
HEY chap, your website is working fine. Just been there. Maybe you just forgot your own address.
Never mind here it is:
http://www.familychristian.com/
= int’resting site it is …. I’m looking 4 AC/DC ‘I’m on a highway 2 hell’… Are you sure I can find it at your site …? Btw those guys from AC/DC did make some variations on their number … ‘I’m a a highway 2 FSM’ and ‘I’m o a highway 2 familychristian’
Does your mummy know what you are doing?
= My advice: don’t let your mummy read this … otherwise se would buy AC/DC ‘I’m on a highway to hell’ and that would be a problem for you no?
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“Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. ”
Well, YAC, I’m sorry you see it that way. If you’d said, “The teaching of evolution in churches is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you,†then I could understand your outrage. I’m not sure I like the idea of rouge scientists worming their way into the leadership of a church for the sole purpose of forcing Sunday school teachers to cover evolution. Okay, that’s a lie. I find it really, really funny. The scientists could teach “reducible complexity” and the idea that it’s not okay to give up trying to understand a process because it’s difficult and will require further study. They could teach kids that when someone says something they think is untrue, they should do some research before they spout off, or their peers will not take them seriously. The scientists could emphasize that a person who teaches intellectual laziness in the classroom is not doing so to improve the quality of anyone’s education. Maybe they could call this IR. Intelligent religion.
By the way, I like the notion that scientists study evolution in order to get rich. They must work at the same imaginary institution as the climatologists who spread the myth of global warming in order to get rich.
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The whole “theory” thing to try to show that evolution is not proven is another example of the fundamentalist’s ignorance of science. Theories are accepted, while it is ‘Hypotheses’ that are not. However, these folks think that a theory is just a hypothesis.
The ID people are enthralled with the ‘magical’ part of religion, and seem to often ignore the moral part about loving others and treating others well and fairly. To them ‘religion’ is a way to invade (cf. Crusades) It seems that manhy major religions share values on love and harmony and morals. What they differ on is the ‘magical’ stuff. People dying and being reborn, or receiving the word of God or hearing or seeing things from burning bushes and the like. If people could focus on the commonalities between religions, rahter than differences in the ‘magical’ parts, things would be mnuch bettter. Catholics and Protestants and Mormons or Shi’ia and Sunni Muslims would seem to have vast areas of commonality they could explore and share, but they do not. Why? As for ages, chrurches are run by men – Men who are intent on maintaining or increasing their power and material rewards htrough manipulating masses and telling them what to believe. Religion? Not good – Spiriuality? Good.
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^ Well said. It would be interesting to see a direct comparison of moral/ethical codes and the magical aspects of current and past major religions. One thing that would also show up clearly is that more or less blind obedience and loyalty are among the most highly valued and most severly punished.
My take on all this, organized religion is a type of shadow government that is competing with secular governments, and in some cases, such as in Kansas, winning.
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TELEPHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF of the existence of His Noodly Goodness can be seen at:
Photo of FSM
Spread the word like garlic butter on sourdough toast!
Yaaargh and RAmen!
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Pickles – great video. But did this guy ever stop to think that the shape of the banana may have been designed for our evolutionary ancestors, the primates?
Such self-serving rationalizations. Flat earth, geocentric universe, dominion of all creatures, all just ways of saying that the whole universie was made just for us people. Most three year olds think this way, but apparently not all of them grow out of it.
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this monster must die. all wanting this edible god served on a plate e-mail me a @
nowickef@cbchs.org long live the queen
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there is one reason for this shit. THESE PEOPLE HAVE SMOKED TOO MUCH POT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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piss off Chap.
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I guess that people who waste their time writing letters to “unintelligent” sites such as these, fall into the same category of non-thinking bigots who claim we are wrong based on “faith”.
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You cannot prove or disprove God, this is fact, scientists around the world will admit it. But it is likely that God is as improbable as Thor, Zeus, Vishnu Ganesh or Shiva, Ra, or Baal. You are all likely Athiests of these gods, so to quote Richard Dawkins “Some of us just go one god further”.
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I esspecially liked THIS quote from this writer “Everybody hates Christians…”
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I have a classification for people like this “Idiocus Imbicis”.
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But all jokes aside, if “everybody hates christians” (I won’t give you the satisfaction of capitilization of the word christian) why is 2 billion people of this planet christian? Do you know why people hate christians? I call it, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Westboro Baptist Church, politicians who shove their religious agenda into our throats, and fundamentalists who truly believe America will be come a christian republic.
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And yes I would also like to see your “proof” of evolution being false, because after all the whole point of a theory is that the theory may be disproved.
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Thank You,
~Allen
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i thought God’s people were Jews
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@Neurophobic
i thought God’s people were Jews – you’re pointing at the christian dude Jezus I guess
me thinks God’s people were Pastafarians – made by the FSM himself after his image: creators and artists
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Hey Head,
Don’t forget “It’s a long way to the shop if you want a pasta bowl!”
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when i was in school we learned that scientific theory was called just that, not scientific fact. if thats what it is called where other people are going to school, then Oklahoma is not as backwards as i thought. ID has no place in a school, evolution does from the idea that it comes from studying changes over millions of years. FSM does because pirates and migets are cool. fact of the matter is that we all just need a stripper factory and a beer volcano. I lost a good friend of mine to the hard core militant christians about 3 months ago. you people are fuckin nuts.
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Chap,
Shouldn’t you be getting dressed for alterboy training?
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This guy really didn’t do the christians who “everybody hates” any favours did he?
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Chap STFU and stop posting on this website, write hate-mail so I have something to post about.
FSM pwns
(and in Klingon) jlMuS Chap!
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Allen,
I don’t think 2 billion Christians is entirely accurate. Once someone is Christianed then the Catholic church considers them to be forever a part of the Church. One can never leave (kinda like the Mafia – so I technically am a Catholic, I am considered a bad one cause I worship false idols).
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
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To Yet Another Christian,
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Sorry to repeat myself for anyone who has already read this but I believe that it is important.
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Evolution is both a FACT and a THEORY, it has two distinct parts.
Evolution FACT.
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It is a FACT that modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms and modern species are continuing to change over time. This is scietific fact, no question!
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The Theory of Evolution
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This refers to how evolution takes place, Darwinism is the only real contender for this title but time will tell.
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Please stop confusing the two, Evolution should be a huge part of schooling in all schools. If you think that children after hearing the facts of evolution will not as how this happens then you either have thick children or have not had any contact with them, and so the theory of evolution must also be a part of schooling.
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You Christians can continue to put your head in the sand over evolution but you are only hurting your own children.
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But if you want to bugger up your own childs education then so be it, just means that the children of Atheists will have a huge advantage in science.
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Statistically speaking, the amount of christians in the world today is, 2.1 billion adherents worldwide, making up about 30% of the religious populace as a whole.
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In 2001 christians made up about 72% (41,014,811) of the National population as a whole, non-religious was second in line with about 15.1% (8,596,488).
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I am sad to say that FSM adherents did not make the list.
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Hope I cleared up some of that.
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Thank you,
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I am sorry the statistics posted above do not represent America, rather the UK.
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Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:
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76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian.
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14.1% do not follow any organized religion.
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Thank you,
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Allen,
Ok, thats cool. I thought your stats were from the Church, not the State. Do you know the stats is OZ?
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“It is written that God’s children will be hated by all, and I can see that’s the way it’s going. Everybody hates Christians…”
Everybody also apparently hates
Humanists, Muslims, Jehovah’s Witness’s etc. Does this mean that everybody who is hated is going to heaven?
Does this mean that because Everybody Loves Raymond he is going to hell?
Quit your pathetic whine. If you read the Bible you’d know that Jesus told you to go practice your faith in private (sermon on the mount) and that only that liar Paul corrupted you to evangelism. Pay attention to your savior, have no children (for the end is near and having children is a sinful thing to inflict such suffering on a child) and go pray in private. In fact go wait for the return in a desert somewhere.
Why are you worried about what is being taught in schools anyway? You’re involving yourself in politics which is a sin as well for you are not surrendering to God but instead abasing yourselves before mammon and caeser. Unplug your computer, sell it, quit sending your kids to school and go pray some more. Otherwise you are going to hell.
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This is a response to an old comment made by Pickles somewhere at the top of the thread. Here’s the quote:
“This is the best video that I ve seen trying to sum up the views of creationism in a concise way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=usrrj5jWd68
enjoy:)”
The guy in the video is sooooo amazingly correct! God must exist because bananas fit in a human hand rather well…
Except in reality, opposable thumbs are just a rather “handy” evolutionary trait. Bananas happen to be friuts that fit in the human hand. The same logic would disprove God by saying that watermelons do not fit easily in the human hand so God did not make it and doesn’t exist. Either that or watermelons are evil.
I will also point out, using said video logic again, that there is another interesting object in the world that shares many mentioned traits with the banana. We call this an erected phallus, or penis. It fits right in the human hand, comes to a point at the end for easy insertion into the mouth, and in some cases even has the same curve of a banana. God’s looking a little better to some now that he is a proud supporter of wanking and BJs.
Let’s hope creationist have something a little better than the “Oh Lord we thank thee for thy banana ridges, may we peel them with ease.”
-RAmen
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