Please do not take any offensive “hate mail” written by Christians as an example of Christianity. We are not very good Christians; we who use words of hate. You must understand, however, that you have completely pissed us off. This site is just stupid. The concept is stupid. I can give you evidence against evolution if you so desire.
I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people.
The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else. The same cannot be said for scientists, it appears. Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it. So, there is still a difference between the two sides.
I think this whole fight is futile. It is written that God’s children will be hated by all, and I can see that’s the way it’s going. Everybody hates Christians…
-Yet Another Christian
The other religious people coming on this website (well, the majority of them..) don’t really seem to realise that this website is a JOKE. I don’t go completely against christianity or anything, but I can see the point this website is trying to make.
Not everybody hates christians, stop putting yourself down. It’s the same thing with muslims and other religions. A few extremists go too far with what they think ‘God’ wants them to do and it gives a bad reputation to the rest of the followers.
Just out of interest, tell me some evidence against evolution! (I’m not trying to stir you, I’d just like to hear some evidence from the other side of the argument for once.)
I’m sorry to offend anyone at all (if I have). I’ve tried to be reasonable…
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@you have completely pissed us off
“……It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact…..”
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So you all keep saying. Yeah how about some objective and balance evidence. Most of the posts I’ve read on this site just scream ignorance of evolution and “Evolutionary Laws” Every post in the same vein as yours has promised to:
“…give you evidence against evolution if you so desire.”
however none of these promises have been keep so far!
RAmen
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Excellent Idea “Yet another christian”, I agree we should abolish science completely from the class rooms. We should also get rid of math and history aswell!!!
Wow that is great!!
You not really bright are you?
Scientists do not make vast sums of money. If one wants to make money one should go into business. Teachers make really pitiful money. Why do they do it? Because teachers love to teach & scientists love to work out the world through science (that is the logical analysis of theory, observation, deduction, testing, and reanalysis). Without science where would you be – hey you probably believe the world is flat!
We don’t hate Christians (my mom is one – bless her heart). We are not hacking into a Christian site and spreading blasphamy! You have come to this site thrown in your unintelligent two cents worth, WHY?
The Roman Catholic Church is the richest “club” on earth. Not any scientist organisation!!!
Contribute something a bit better thought out next time, you mentioned evidence – bring it!
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@RAT
“…We should also get rid of math and history aswell!!!…”
Along with medicine, law (too evidence based too), geography ect ect ect. Can’t get rid of just one area of the sciences. If one goes, they all go. Teach nothing but belief!
“Third World War” anyone? Then the believers in the supernatural beings will be able to declare:
” See! Told you (insert supernatural beings name here) would take revenge”
RAmen
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Please, please, please, please
1. Provide the compelling anti-evolution evidence that you are talking about.
2. Accept the loving embrace of a warm, tomato-ey noodly appendage. For He does not wish his people to be offended.
3. Throw away all your electronic goods. They aren’t based on any sound physical laws and therefore don’t work. Any evidence to the contrary is imagined on your part, or maliciously placed there by some false deity, possibly the much feared Anti-Pasta *repeats 1000 ‘Hail Spaghettis’and flagellates onself with stale tagliatelle*
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Aw, you poor sod, having all those scientists pressing their wares on you like that.
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As I’ve said many times now on these forums – exercise your buyer’s privivlege and DON’T USE THE PRODUCTS! If you don’t want science pressed on you, give up
Your home
Your car
Healthcare
Innoculation
Electricity
Your computer
Those clothes you’re wearing
Your teeth, if you’ve ever had dental treatment
Poor eyesight? Ditch the glasses/contacts/laser surgery
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In short, find yourself a cave, forage for food, and sit around your fire at night telling your kids about the big beardy git in the sky; I think youll find the lifestyle and the beliefs *exactly* complement each other.
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If the above doesn’t seem too appealing, quit whining and catch up with the rest of your species, and stop being so damn lazy; apparently, a lot of humans think it’s perfectly OK to absorb the benefits of science, without having to do it any respect. I say enough; if someone walks into hospital and admits to any religion whilst seeking treatment, they should be shown the damn door.
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Saying Evolution shouldn’t be taught in schools is like saying Newtonian physics shouldn’t be taught in schools because Einstein disproved it.
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I eagerly await the day my 7th grader learns quantum physics.
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NO. I disagree with you guys.
There is a crisis among the scientific community. “Evolution” as a “Theory” is well and truly dead and buried. Admit it. I have spoken with many scientific authorities on this matter who are strictly in favour of my viewpoint. There is now overwhelming microbiological and research supported evidence casting doubt on what you Darwinian evolutionists think. You can keep your dogma and your aggressive silencing of those of us who dissent. The overwhelming evidence is wholly supportive of an Intelligent designer. Period. HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO AN ITALIAN RESTAURANT YOU PHILLISTINE! I pity your narrow minded Materialistic viewpoint. It is the height of political incorrectness to express scientific skepticism of neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory, or to voice interest in the theory of intelligent design. But I am prepared to stand up and be counted.
All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster. THE Creator.
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Evolution is NOT taught as fact! I am currently studying an Evolutionary Genetics module and every lecture frequently features the word “theory”.
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Bekah, the point is the ID/creationist folk don’t understand what “theory” means, they don’t understand the scientific method. That is the point of this website.
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Poor, poor Christianity! I don’t hate Christians, pre se. What I hate is Christians imposing Christianity, or even the idea of a non-denominational Creator, on myself or my children. Keep your beliefs out of my childrens’ science education, and I will keep my religion out of your theology curricula. Psych!
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I have THEORY. My THEORY is this: If I drop a book, it will fall to the ground.
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Let me test this…. yep, it fell to the ground. Great THEORY!
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OK, what will the book do next time I drop it? Will it fall to the ground? Maybe, but I can’t be 100% certain. After all it is only a THEORY.
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I could repeat this experiment for the next 50 years and it would still be a THEORY. Smugly calling something a THEORY like it’s some sort of derogatory statement only proves your own ignorance.
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If you really want to pick on a THEORY that lacks evidence, take an honest look at your God. I doiubt you will, but I can hope.
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“I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you.”
Both evolution and the creation story are taught in schools.
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What school is that, Clare? I’m curious.
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Eat me!!!!!11!!1!!!!11one!!1!!1
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I’m interested in reading both sides of the argument. Please provide a website that provides evidence to the contrary, I would also love to see a peer reviewed journal that talks about creationism vs evolution. Perhaps a debate between an evolutionary scientist vs a creationist SCIENTIST (pastors and those paid by christian organisations don’t count, sorry) This is the best video that I ve seen trying to sum up the views of creationism in a concise way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=usrrj5jWd68
enjoy:)
and please provide some links to scientific journals that believe creationism is truth.
thank you
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Oh that’s rich! Yet another creationist complaining about being ridiculed for obnoxious stupidity, then demonstrating still more stupidity. When will they learn that we know more about the mechanisms behind evolution than we know how gravity works?
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Well, for starters, don’t you think that the possibility of one cell getting together with another cell and another and another and so on to create a functioning being is kind of slim? Especially when two separate masses of cells form fully functioning reproductive systems when they really have no way of communicating and no reasong to reproduce such a large mass of cells? How do these cells know to come together in the right places to create organs such as the heart or even the brain? How can a bunch of cells produce electrical pulses throughout the body to control muscles and create thought? What reason do they have for this? How can they possibly form such an intelligent design, one so intricate and complex that even we can’t possibly hope to know everything about? Ask me questions and I’ll answer them, but first, please answer mine. I think we can have a nice volly going on here.
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“Excellent Idea “Yet another christianâ€, I agree we should abolish science completely from the class rooms. We should also get rid of math and history aswell!!!”
Scientific theory is not fact and should not be taught as such. What I want to see is evolution not being taught as fact. I want to see it being taught, if it as taught at all, as theory.
Teachers are not scientists. Why bring them into this when I said nothing against them at all? It is not up to teachers to write their own textbooks.
Let me set one thing straight. Scientific things such as gravity, electricity, nuclear technology have all been proven. You can show me those right now and I will believe they exist. What you can’t show me is evolution on a fast scale. I want to see it now, if you have it. If you can put a prehistoric worm into a cage and increase the speed of whatever process you believe evolution occurs in and change it into a much more superior being throught natural processes, I will believe that evolution exists. Please understand what I mean when I say evolution is a theory. I mean it is purely theory and nothing more. It is not proven.
“I have THEORY. My THEORY is this: If I drop a book, it will fall to the ground.
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Let me test this…. yep, it fell to the ground. Great THEORY!
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I love how your theory is based on scientifically proven facts. Way to go with the insult, there.
“Smugly calling something a THEORY like it’s some sort of derogatory statement only proves your own ignorance.”
Either that, or it shows that I await full blown evidence that evolution exists.
“If you really want to pick on a THEORY that lacks evidence, take an honest look at your God. I doiubt you will, but I can hope.”
I did that a long time ago and whaddaya know? I’m still Christian.
“Bekah, the point is the ID/creationist folk don’t understand what “theory†means, they don’t understand the scientific method. That is the point of this website.”
I understand scientific method. I also understand that scientific method is a man-made thing. We can’t always trust what we create.
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“We are not hacking into a Christian site and spreading blasphamy! You have come to this site thrown in your unintelligent two cents worth, WHY?”
Almost forgot. I know you’re not hacking into a Christian site. I never said you were. I came to this site and contributed because I feel you want answers. Or maybe just an argument. I know this is supposed to be a joke.
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“If the above doesn’t seem too appealing, quit whining and catch up with the rest of your species, and stop being so damn lazy; apparently, a lot of humans think it’s perfectly OK to absorb the benefits of science, without having to do it any respect. I say enough; if someone walks into hospital and admits to any religion whilst seeking treatment, they should be shown the damn door.”
I respect science. I respect the fact that humans are looking for answers. That’s better than nothing. And yes, if an epidemic were to spread throughout the country, we religious people SHOULD be kicked out of hospitals! After all, we’re not human. We’re just jumbles of text on a screen, or sacks of meat that walk around hitting everybody we know (and don’t know) with Bibles.
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“Both evolution and the creation story are taught in schools.”
I’d like to know, too. That’s pretty rare.
“Poor, poor Christianity! I don’t hate Christians, pre se. What I hate is Christians imposing Christianity, or even the idea of a non-denominational Creator, on myself or my children. Keep your beliefs out of my childrens’ science education, and I will keep my religion out of your theology curricula. Psych!”
I don’t see where my beliefs are being taught in your children’s science classes. If they are, that’s something you should bring up with their teacher(s). If they teach creationism as fact, then they are obviously not fit to teach in a public school. But neither is a teacher who teaches evolution as fact. The same goes with textbooks that present it that way.
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On a note, I DO believe in microevolution, or adaption.
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I can’t believe there are so many people who believe in creationism. It is a silly story… Why do some people believe the misinterperted fiction of pre first century man even comes close to pertaining to us today… and what’s so wrong with evolution? Dosn’t it seem funny people talk about theory as if it is not tested. The fact is a theory needs a great ammount of evidence to back it up to even be called a theory, and the only thing holding evolution back from being called a fact is the ignorant masses of people who believe in stories that are just to stupid for words. Creationism can’t even be called theory, because there is absolutly no evidence, other than the the ranting pontifications of crazy, self-absorbed, “benovolent”, sheep and bad people.
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Creationism = complete and utter lack of factual, observable evidence. Evolution = observable evidence supporting theory. Most of the things taught in science classrooms are not COMPLETE AND FACTUAL but rather have certain facts backing them up. Evolution is not an answer to the origin of life, but rather an answer to the diversity of life currently here. The fact that you keep pushing that evolution should be taken out is retarded at best. Evolution has observable evidence based on a hypothesis and testing. Creationism has a hypothesis, but no means of testing or obtaining data to support this. Therefore evolution is taught, and creationism isn’t. End of story.
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It’s true that many of the people who teach science in our schools lack the experience with science to adequately teach “scientific theory”. It’s also true that many of the textbooks provided to schools contain out-of-date and scientifically unsound principles (some contain errors regarding evolution that were disproven a century ago). Unfortuantely, that problem will only be remedied when we get better funding in schools.
Until then, we’ve got to educate all the people who came out of school that evolution is “just a theory”…but we also need to teach exactly what “just a theory” means.
Actually, gravity is considered by the scientific community to be “just a theory”. So is how electricity works.
A theory isn’t something that’s just thrown out there when someone thinks it’s a great idea. It’s not something that has yet to find any evidence. It’s something that has been tested or studied in one way or another by countless scientists who have all come to the same conclusion.
I used to be a big proponet of ID (heck, let’s just say it: I was a literalist young-earth 7-day creationist, and proud of it at the time). I thought that by reading non-creationist scientific literature, I could poke holes in it very easily based on creationist writings. What I found was that many “creation scientists” were disputing things that had already been disproven by the mainstream scientific community. Many of the things I saw from creationists were based on an incomplete understanding of scientific principles.
I don’t think creationists are stupid — I was quite intelligent as a creationist — but I was misinformed. I didn’t have the whole picture. I recommend to all creationists on the list to start reading non-creationist views on evolution (make sure you read things published by respected mainstream scientists that are CURRENT). Even if it doesn’t change your mind, you’ll have more cannon fodder when dealing with evolution proponents.
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One more comment: as a Christian, I used to go onto non-Christian forums and post a Christian opinion. Now that I’m not, I know better. You would find it very rude if one of the people from this site went into a Christian forum and started talking about how Christians should accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It’s rude, so stop.
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Evolution IS taught as a theory, and damn near everything in science is a theory. Things like gravity, which you said are “scientifically proven facts,” are still considered THEORIES. They just have observable evidence backing them up, just as evolution has observable evidence backing it up.
Show me evidence for creationism that is on the same level as the evidence for evolution, and then I’ll listen. Until then, keep your obnoxious little trap shut.
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“I came to this site and contributed because I feel you want answers.”
Then come back when you actually have some.
RAmen
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@Kamni
Well spoken, intelligent and an example of basic common decency.
RAmen
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“I understand scientific method. I also understand that scientific method is a man-made thing. We can’t always trust what we create.” – Seth
God is also man-made, don’t trust him.
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Whoever Claire was she clearly did not read the post 4 up from hers which clearly states that evolution is not taught as a fact and the course constantly uses the word theory.
Oh, and to all you offended christians your beliefs are taught in schools too (its called religious education or RE for short (just for you uneducated folk out there). However your subject is also taught in churches therefore your subject is taught more than ours so surely it is scientists/ pastafarians who should be offended by the unequal amount of time given to our subjects.
Religion is for Holy Buildings (churches, Mosks etc) and fact/logic is for school
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Maybe the world needs to lighten up a bit, and learn how to have a good time, and execpt that there are some things that we will never be able to explain. Nobody’s right, nobody has any brillant anwser, so have fun and enjoy the sort sweet ride.
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“Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it.”
This is the BIG mistake that keeps the argument going. Scientists only get rich if they find something WRONG with evolution. They do not hand out awards for doing experiments that confirm what we already know. Scientists are out there every day trying to find faults in our body of knowledge. Once I get this concept through to people of faith, they start to see the whole picture.
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why dont you stop being an asshole, shut the hell up, and go do something rather than hate on other people on the internet. its pretty lame
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I agree with Fluffy Bunny
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Seth: The chances are not slim that groups of cells can get together and form functioning beings. There are all sorts of organisms, at all different levels of integration. The simplest multi-cellular organisms are placozoans with only 10 types of cells. Sponges aren’t as highly integrated as we are but are fully working animals. It is the continuity of integration and complexity found in both the fossil record and in living organisms that made the scientist of the 18th Century look for an alternative to the biblical creation story, which couldn’t be made to agree with the evidence.
This site (http://tolweb.org/Animals/2374) is useful as a good overview of the diversity of life and of evolutionary relationships.
We don’t take your answers seriously, because your answers are infantile and insane; Sort of like the ‘answers’ provided by a guy who thinks space aliens are bugging his brain through the telephone wires. It’s kind of cute because it’s so crazy, but no educated person is going to believe it. Learn about the subject before you talk about it and you’ll get a better reception.
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LostWookiee: Nice post, I agree completely.
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Seth—“Scientific things such as gravity, electricity, nuclear technology have all been proven.†WRONG. Gravity has not been 100 percent proven, which is why it’s still considered a theory. Why is this theory more acceptable to you then evolution?
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“I understand scientific method. I also understand that scientific method is a man-made thing. We can’t always trust what we create.â€â€”Soo, what, are we not allowed to trust anything man ever created? Being skeptical is one thing, being blind is another. Like it or not, science is based off the scientific theory. Evolution is based off said theory, so it’s ok to teach in science class. Not that complicated, really.
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“I don’t see where my beliefs are being taught in your children’s science classes.â€â€”it’s called ID.
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“But neither is a teacher who teaches evolution as fact.â€â€”Evolution is not a fact, and no one is teaching it that way (at least no one with any brains). It’s taught as the THEORY of evolution, remember?
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No one ever said YOU had to agree with evolution. You don’t have to accept that the world is round, either. But that’s where the facts are pointing, so…
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“I understand scientific method. I also understand that scientific method is a man-made thing. We can’t always trust what we create.”
This is now my absolutely favoritest quote ever.
There are two things I fail to understand about Christians (who, as far as I know, are the only group clamoring for ID to be taught as science).
Why on earth do you people insist that evolution is a theory of origin? Can you truly be taught nothing without a permission slip from your pastor? You have to have a starting point before you can evolve… comparing creationism and evolution theory is totally farcical…
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Why on earth do you people get so scared about science in this day and age? Most reasonable people are willing to accept the Christian Testament (and its forefather, the Old Testament) as allegorical… must you insist on taking those essays completely as (pardon me) gospel, insofar as their application to natural science? Why not just accept that certain passages were not completely understood by either the medium through whom His word flowed, or the person later translating the text, and thus their meaning obscured and lost to future generations?
See, that’s one of those little things that generates hate… when you have to defend the indefensible, the best strategy is to viciously attack your opponent in the hopes that he or she will be so cowed (or, more truthfully, disgusted) by the exchange that they cede the victory to you. That’s not the sort of organization to which I want to belong.
To summate…
I just don’t get the absolutely dogged clinging to literalcy in a document that has been tainted by the touch, interpretation, and judicial editing of Man…
“We can’t always trust what we create.”
Best reason for casting a skeptical eye on the New Testament I ever saw. Thank you, Seth.
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Now that I know html code works within the reply block, can’t you give me an edit button?
/sigh
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I don’t hate christians, and I’m sure no one else on this site does either. Most of my friends are christian, or chatholic. I love them to death, because they’ve accepted me the way I am, and don’t do the hate/pity/condem thing to me or anyone else. (They’re also as crazy as me!) What I hate is you guys trying to force your stuff on me or other people and acting as though only you are intelligent and worthy and crap like that. Admittedly, only a fraction are like that, but a fraction is enough.
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WHat the hell, how many times do we have to tell you fucking stupid bastards:-
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“Evolution has more evidence backing it up than the structure of an atom has”
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The evidence of DNA and Fossils is also completely independent, from each other. Just further re-enforcing the evolution, the reaso you Christians have a problem with evolution and not many of the other theories is that it shows your bible to be a complete lie.
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Actually another thing the bible got totally wrong which you seem to forget is the age of the Earth. 6000 years since God created the earth? My fucking gold fish could have made a better estimation.
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“The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else.”
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Oh yeah because Christianity really does not have a huge history (and I am talking about recent History) of trying to force its teaching on others. And Darwin was not threatened and I suppose those who want to build abortion clinics are not fearful of there lives due to Christians. Do you really have a clue about what goes on outside your little Church?
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And I suppose that atheists in the USA Bible belt are telling fibs about the treatment they receive, get a fucking clue!
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“It is written that God’s children will be hated by all,”
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Yeah mate try being an atheist in the so called age of reason!
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Things fall to the ground when dropped (gravity – fact); ice cubes melt in warm water (thermodynamics – fact); humans evolved from apes (evolution – fact). However, because these facts have theories to explain their mechanics, I can come to only one conclusion. His Noodliness – blessed be His sauce.
RAmen.
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What I dont understand is why Christians are trying to make religion into a science.
The two are not comparable.
Science uses the scientific method and logic to believe things. Religion uses faith to believe something.
Trying to use the scientific method on religion, and faith on science does NOT work.
Both sides are at fault.
Also, if you are so concerned about your children’s faith being smashed by evolution, talk to them about it, instead of expecting the school system to do everything for you.
This is coming from a Christian.
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Well, for starters, don’t you think that the possibility of one cell getting together with another cell and another and another and so on to create a functioning being is kind of slim?
over billions of year the possiblitiy is extremly high…so high that it happend
How do these cells know to come together in the right places to create organs such as the heart or even the brain?
they don’t know but random chance mixed with darwinin selection weeds out the ones that come together in ‘unfit’ ways
How can a bunch of cells produce electrical pulses throughout the body to control muscles and create thought?
If you read up on your philosophy of mind you will find that physicalism is by far the prevaling theory of dualism (with a couple of notable exceptions such as David Chalmers). Dualist theory has all but been disproven (it can’t actually be disproven due to the nature of the thoery and the current scientific and cognative limitations). Most people accept that consciousness arises out of brain states such as ‘pyramidal cell activity = pain’ The only thing dualist are still even attempting to cling onto is that yes physoclogical consciousness does indeed come out of the phyiscal/microphysical parts that make us up but what abotu phenomenal consciouness…the so called ‘what it’s like’ aspect of something or ‘Qualia.’ This is the what its like to see red or what its like to feel pain rather then the how do i respond to pain or how do i respond to red.
anyways you sir basically have no idea what you are talking about.
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i ment to say prevaling theory OVER dualism
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Steve: This is a subject I am interested in. I just did a search on physicalism and am saving sites for future reading. I am extremely unhappy with philosophical dualism, but I had been unaware that this type of monism was so well developed. Thanks!!
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I don’t hate christians, i pity them.
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No evolution in science? what’s next no multiplication in math because it offends you. Disproving evolution needs a huge amount of evidence which doesn’t exist, but disproving christianity takes only common sense.
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memo to the user ‘the flying speghetti monster’, please learn to spell my god’s name correctly.
sincerely,
blubbery joe
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