Comments on: you have completely pissed us off http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:43:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Stephen http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-500186 Stephen Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:22:04 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-500186 I hate the 'it's just a theory' argument, a theory is based on facts I hate the ‘it’s just a theory’ argument, a theory is based on facts

]]> By: the random frog http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488718 the random frog Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:43:40 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488718 yes evolution is a theory. like gravity. by your logic nothing should be taught at school. as you are only willing to teach facts (ie things that have been proven 100%). it is impossible to prove something 100%, all we as scientist can do is aquire more and more evidence for a theory until it there is enough for it to be considered useful. even then it is not a fact. take newtons laws of motion for example, for hundreds of years these were thought to explain exactly how things moved. but then einstein came along with his theory of relitivity and completely blew it out of the water. in conclusion, no, evolution is not a fact and perhaps it shouldn't be taught as such but then neither is anything else, so as long as the teacher emphasises the fact that nothing should be taken as fact there is no reason not to teach evolution. it has more than enough evidence. yes evolution is a theory. like gravity.

by your logic nothing should be taught at school. as you are only willing to teach facts (ie things that have been proven 100%). it is impossible to prove something 100%, all we as scientist can do is aquire more and more evidence for a theory until it there is enough for it to be considered useful. even then it is not a fact. take newtons laws of motion for example, for hundreds of years these were thought to explain exactly how things moved. but then einstein came along with his theory of relitivity and completely blew it out of the water.

in conclusion, no, evolution is not a fact and perhaps it shouldn’t be taught as such but then neither is anything else, so as long as the teacher emphasises the fact that nothing should be taken as fact there is no reason not to teach evolution. it has more than enough evidence.

]]> By: TheFewTheProudTheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488566 TheFewTheProudTheMarinara Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:43:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488566 The original poster said "scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it. " Really? I'll bet you Billy Graham and the majority of televangelists are richer than the average scientist, and they offer no facts at all. If you really want to get rich and famous, come up with proof that god(s) exist. Anyone? Anyone? The original poster said “scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it. ” Really? I’ll bet you Billy Graham and the majority of televangelists are richer than the average scientist, and they offer no facts at all. If you really want to get rich and famous, come up with proof that god(s) exist. Anyone? Anyone?

]]> By: Benny The Ball http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488496 Benny The Ball Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:37:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488496 I think this short video will explain the definition of 'scientific theory'. You may find it useful. I feel it is very important as there is a mass misconception of what scientific theory is. The scientists in this short video explain it far better that I could so here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4_lVTVa6k I think this short video will explain the definition of ’scientific theory’. You may find it useful. I feel it is very important as there is a mass misconception of what scientific theory is. The scientists in this short video explain it far better that I could so here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4_lVTVa6k

]]> By: joe http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488307 joe Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:36:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-488307 Gravity is a theory Gravity is a theory

]]> By: jennifer james http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-487649 jennifer james Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:48:10 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-487649 in england psychics have now to say they provide entertainment because they cannot supply proof of the afterlife. The same thing should apply to ALL religions . Provide proof or say you are in the in the entertainment busines. in england psychics have now to say they provide entertainment because they cannot supply proof of the afterlife. The same thing should apply to ALL religions . Provide proof or say you are in the in the entertainment busines.

]]> By: AVISPA http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-316763 AVISPA Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:33:02 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-316763 Religion has NO REAL EVIDENCE. NONE. ZERO. NOTHING. Evolution HAS EVIDENCE. LOTS OF EVIDENCE. Religion has NO REAL EVIDENCE. NONE. ZERO. NOTHING. Evolution HAS EVIDENCE. LOTS OF EVIDENCE.

]]> By: John http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-200745 John Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:55:08 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-200745 Wow. that's one of the more intelligent hate mails i've seen. Well done. Wow. that’s one of the more intelligent hate mails i’ve seen.

Well done.

]]> By: Etay http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180409 Etay Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:03:31 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180409 1: The concept is almost exactly the same as your concept of God. And don't even think about saying, "It isn't a concept it's the truth," because I could say the same freaking thing about my religion. 2: Evolution is a science. ID isn't. I hope you understand that, at least. 3: I can't even count how many Christians have tried to convert me. You must be an idiot if you think most Christians don't press their beliefs on others. 4: Scientists want to try to understand the Universe around us. You believe you already do understand it all. God isn't the answer to everything, the same can be said for science. . I don't think you understand that ID is beginning to be taught <i>in science classes</i>. ID isn't a science! You can't pose it as a science, because that's just stupid! If one could do that, teaching science wouldn't exist in the first place! <i>Get it into your heads!</i> 1: The concept is almost exactly the same as your concept of God. And don’t even think about saying, “It isn’t a concept it’s the truth,” because I could say the same freaking thing about my religion.
2: Evolution is a science. ID isn’t. I hope you understand that, at least.
3: I can’t even count how many Christians have tried to convert me. You must be an idiot if you think most Christians don’t press their beliefs on others.
4: Scientists want to try to understand the Universe around us. You believe you already do understand it all. God isn’t the answer to everything, the same can be said for science.
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I don’t think you understand that ID is beginning to be taught in science classes. ID isn’t a science! You can’t pose it as a science, because that’s just stupid! If one could do that, teaching science wouldn’t exist in the first place! Get it into your heads!

]]> By: ☠DutchPastaGuy☠ http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180381 ☠DutchPastaGuy☠ Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:08:20 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180381 @I hate people RAmen for sounding a wise scientific voice. Stick around if you like, I think you'll like it here. @I hate people
RAmen for sounding a wise scientific voice. Stick around if you like, I think you’ll like it here.

]]> By: I hate people http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180343 I hate people Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:19:11 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-180343 I know arguing about this won't do any good, because you can't make people listen if they don't want to. HOWEVER... "I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people." Okay.... so first off, the whole point of science is that it's the current best idea we have about what's going on. It's really quite impossible to PROVE any scientific theory correctly... you can support it with evidence, or find contradictory evidence and disprove it and go on to refine the theory to accommadate said new evidence. So... the argument that evolution should not be taught in schools based on the face that it is a THEORY completely misses the point and shows a real ignorance for the scientific method. For a nice example of changing theories, I would suggest the history of the model of the atom. I think it's pretty commonly taught in high school science classes... you begin with the "billiard ball" model and work your way up to the current electron-shell model that we believe to be most correct today. If no theories were allows in schools, there would be no science class at all. Or economics. Or a number of other subjects. "The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else." As a former atheist (having now been enlightened to the wonders of FSM), I can give personal evidence to the contrary. I think it is, perhaps, worse with atheists... somehow atheism is less tolerable than simply a different religion, but really a lot of Christians DO press their beliefs... sometimes without really realizing it. "The same cannot be said for scientists, it appears." Scientific belief is based on observable evidence. Religious belief is based on faith (the Bible does not count as evidence... otherwise, I think I have pretty strong evidence for the existence of hobbits... or Hogwarts School). And as the whole point of scientific research is to increase the knowledge of our whole race, it doesn't seem unreasonable that they should share their findings with the world. Besides, I've never heard of any evolutionary missions trips. "Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it." I can understand that Christians may feel they are helping people... after all, they do believe that non-believers are going to have a pretty rough time after death. However, it is only in the eyes of the CHRISTIANS that these people are wayward... so you can see how it would still be mildly annoying. I mean, suppose I was a devout FSM member who happened to overlook the bit about not trying to convert people because the FSM isn't really that vain... wouldn't you be a little irritated if I kept trying to slap a pirate hat on you? Even if it was "in your interest"? And as to the idea that scientists study evolution because they can get rich? That's laughable... NO ONE who enters a pure scientific field does it for the money. Why? Because there ISN'T ANY. A scientist will likely be able to make a decent living, but he or she will definitely NOT be shopping for a personal island anytime soon. Scientists are scientists because they love their work and have a genuine desire to "discover something wonderful," as you said. I know arguing about this won’t do any good, because you can’t make people listen if they don’t want to. HOWEVER…

“I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people.”

Okay…. so first off, the whole point of science is that it’s the current best idea we have about what’s going on. It’s really quite impossible to PROVE any scientific theory correctly… you can support it with evidence, or find contradictory evidence and disprove it and go on to refine the theory to accommadate said new evidence. So… the argument that evolution should not be taught in schools based on the face that it is a THEORY completely misses the point and shows a real ignorance for the scientific method. For a nice example of changing theories, I would suggest the history of the model of the atom. I think it’s pretty commonly taught in high school science classes… you begin with the “billiard ball” model and work your way up to the current electron-shell model that we believe to be most correct today. If no theories were allows in schools, there would be no science class at all. Or economics. Or a number of other subjects.

“The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else.”

As a former atheist (having now been enlightened to the wonders of FSM), I can give personal evidence to the contrary. I think it is, perhaps, worse with atheists… somehow atheism is less tolerable than simply a different religion, but really a lot of Christians DO press their beliefs… sometimes without really realizing it.

“The same cannot be said for scientists, it appears.”

Scientific belief is based on observable evidence. Religious belief is based on faith (the Bible does not count as evidence… otherwise, I think I have pretty strong evidence for the existence of hobbits… or Hogwarts School). And as the whole point of scientific research is to increase the knowledge of our whole race, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that they should share their findings with the world. Besides, I’ve never heard of any evolutionary missions trips.

“Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it.”

I can understand that Christians may feel they are helping people… after all, they do believe that non-believers are going to have a pretty rough time after death. However, it is only in the eyes of the CHRISTIANS that these people are wayward… so you can see how it would still be mildly annoying. I mean, suppose I was a devout FSM member who happened to overlook the bit about not trying to convert people because the FSM isn’t really that vain… wouldn’t you be a little irritated if I kept trying to slap a pirate hat on you? Even if it was “in your interest”?

And as to the idea that scientists study evolution because they can get rich? That’s laughable… NO ONE who enters a pure scientific field does it for the money. Why? Because there ISN’T ANY. A scientist will likely be able to make a decent living, but he or she will definitely NOT be shopping for a personal island anytime soon. Scientists are scientists because they love their work and have a genuine desire to “discover something wonderful,” as you said.

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-167019 DutchPastaGuy Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:46:11 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-167019 @Jellybones ¨this is about our children’s education not the bones we have to pick for whatever reason. if your family doesn’t hold evolution to be valid does it hurt to have them still know about it? same goes for intellegent design, it’s not a science class, just offer it as a unit religious studies class, as evolution is a unit in a biology class¨ . Would you advocate the teaching of something that has its main ideas falsified, as is the case with ID. We don´t teach the earth is the flat, immoveable centre anymore either. ID is on the same level. @Jellybones
¨this is about our children’s education not the bones we have to pick for whatever reason. if your family doesn’t hold evolution to be valid does it hurt to have them still know about it? same goes for intellegent design, it’s not a science class, just offer it as a unit religious studies class, as evolution is a unit in a biology class¨
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Would you advocate the teaching of something that has its main ideas falsified, as is the case with ID. We don´t teach the earth is the flat, immoveable centre anymore either. ID is on the same level.

]]> By: Sanchez http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166951 Sanchez Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:44:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166951 There's a link for it on the main page. Wellington Grey provides very compelling evidence that pirates would in fact win in a battle against ninjas. Although my initial thought would be opposite of that, I had absolutely no doubts after reading the Gospel. RAmen There’s a link for it on the main page. Wellington Grey provides very compelling evidence that pirates would in fact win in a battle against ninjas. Although my initial thought would be opposite of that, I had absolutely no doubts after reading the Gospel.

RAmen

]]> By: what is pasta? http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166949 what is pasta? Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:38:24 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166949 is the pirates vs. ninjas issue adressed by pastafarianism? is the pirates vs. ninjas issue adressed by pastafarianism?

]]> By: beastlt12 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166912 beastlt12 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:13:53 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166912 I come here because this site makes me smile. If you look around you can see it's FULL of thought, and actually some very intelligent people....err... . . scratch that.... . It's full of some very intelligent pirates!! . . rAmen I come here because this site makes me smile. If you look around you can see it’s FULL of thought, and actually some very intelligent people….err…
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scratch that….
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It’s full of some very intelligent pirates!!
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rAmen

]]> By: Eagle http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166903 Eagle Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:50:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166903 Jellybones Aug 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pm "This site is the biggest waste of “thought”, time, and effort." In your opinion! "What is the point of have two factions of opposing views arguing their already implied opinions fruitlessly?" . You suggest no discusssion of opposing views should ever be held? You prefer guns maybe? Jellybones Aug 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pm
“This site is the biggest waste of “thought”, time, and effort.”
In your opinion!
“What is the point of have two factions of opposing views arguing their already implied opinions fruitlessly?”
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You suggest no discusssion of opposing views should ever be held? You prefer guns maybe?

]]> By: Jellybones http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166895 Jellybones Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:22:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-166895 This site is the biggest waste of "thought", time, and effort. What is the point of have two factions of opposing views arguing their already implied opinions fruitlessly? No one on this site is going to change their mind anytime soon. Die hard christians can be ignorant, and so can die hard FSM members. just quit it. this is about our children's education not the bones we have to pick for whatever reason. if your family doesn't hold evolution to be valid does it hurt to have them still know about it? same goes for intellegent design, it's not a science class, just offer it as a unit religious studies class, as evolution is a unit in a biology class This site is the biggest waste of “thought”, time, and effort. What is the point of have two factions of opposing views arguing their already implied opinions fruitlessly? No one on this site is going to change their mind anytime soon. Die hard christians can be ignorant, and so can die hard FSM members. just quit it.
this is about our children’s education not the bones we have to pick for whatever reason. if your family doesn’t hold evolution to be valid does it hurt to have them still know about it? same goes for intellegent design, it’s not a science class, just offer it as a unit religious studies class, as evolution is a unit in a biology class

]]> By: joe http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-145363 joe Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:14:46 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-145363 If ANYBODY gives me evidence against Darwinian evolution and evidence for christianity, that I can understand and cannot immeadiatly see anything wrong with it, I might convert. E-mail it to me. But you won't need my e-mail. Or post it up on here. If ANYBODY gives me evidence against Darwinian evolution and evidence for christianity, that I can understand and cannot immeadiatly see anything wrong with it, I might convert. E-mail it to me. But you won’t need my e-mail. Or post it up on here.

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]]> By: Batman http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-66153 Batman Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:43:33 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/10/23/you-have-completely-pissed-us-off.htm#comment-66153 @Alchemist What gets out? I am a little slow this morning (who am I kidding, it is almost 1pm), I need things explained to me. =S . I think the guy who wrote this needs some therapy maybe... sounds like he suffers from low self-esteem. Hmmmm... maybe he should read "I'm OK, You're OK"... ha ha ha ha... might help him a bit. @Alchemist
What gets out? I am a little slow this morning (who am I kidding, it is almost 1pm), I need things explained to me. =S
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I think the guy who wrote this needs some therapy maybe… sounds like he suffers from low self-esteem. Hmmmm… maybe he should read “I’m OK, You’re OK”… ha ha ha ha… might help him a bit.

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