Please do not take any offensive “hate mail” written by Christians as an example of Christianity. We are not very good Christians; we who use words of hate. You must understand, however, that you have completely pissed us off. This site is just stupid. The concept is stupid. I can give you evidence against evolution if you so desire.
I do sort of agree that ID should not be taught in schools, but neither should evolution. It is wrong that evolution, classified as SCIENTIFIC THEORY, is taught as a fact. Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people.
The majority of Christians do not want to press our beliefs upon anybody else. The same cannot be said for scientists, it appears. Plus, while Christians want to bring wayward people to God for the wayward people’s sake, scientists want to study and elaborate on evolution because they think they can discover something wonderful and get rich off of it. So, there is still a difference between the two sides.
I think this whole fight is futile. It is written that God’s children will be hated by all, and I can see that’s the way it’s going. Everybody hates Christians…
-Yet Another Christian
@ Qasdf
Henderbob only posted what was sent to him in an email, (if you look at any hatemail they are all ‘from’ him) he tends to get a lot from the Flying Spaghetti Monster haters out there after creating it and all.
You’ve just misunderstood it I think
Another Christian says…
“Teaching evolution in schools is just as offensive to us as teaching ID in schools is to you. We are all people.”
We sure are, though some are smarter than others. When you people look at this site and say it’s stupid, we find it amusing because all you are dong is admitting the stupidity of your own pathetic belief system. FSM is just as ‘real’ as your god. Reality has nothing to do with opinion or belief. What is, just is , and it doesn’t care if you believe in it or not! In that sense FSM is much closer to science than any religion will ever be. Belief in religion is ignorance. There is no nice way to put it. It’s scary to think that there are so many people who don’t seem to have the intelligence to see the irony in their own criticisms of obviously more righteous Pastafarians. Anti-FSMism shows that you are either, ignorant, stupid, lacking any comprehension of reality and/or silliness whatsoever, or all of the above. All hail The FSM and Great Prophet!
To Henderbob: While on a recent pilgrimage to purchase my own copy of the Gospel, I was horrified to find that, in Chapter’s, the teachings of our leader are catalogued under ‘Humour’! I shudder to think of the scandal that would arise if The New Testament was displayed under such a catagory. Even though we have a HUGE congregation, I find it sad that out of 6.5 billion people in the world, only Pastafarians REALLY get it.
PS: I have come accross secret documents that prove the Priory of Sion was a real religious group. They still possess the grail to this day. Scholars have described it as an ancient thermal pasta cooker… (it cooks in minutes, right before your eyes!)
ok so you raise an interesting point, why should we impose our veiws on you and teach evolution in skools?
religion is not wrong.
but scientific fact has effected many of the christian churches teachings, eg: the sun revolves around the earth…we know no other wise…point is, why should small things like this truly matter if god really exists? lets teach fact, and let students make decisions for themselves…p.s not everyone hates Christians…:)
I want to congratulate you on creating an excellent parody of Creationism, I feel sorry for all the people who have bothered to send you hate mail saying how “you trully are morons” (for example) as this is nothing to scoff at just because it is a very recent spiritual development. In reality the idea of the ancient Yahwistic God is just as absurd, but is more widely accepted due to its age and wide range of countries that it covers.
In my view nobody should take offence to this website, it’s a really intelligent way of attempting to uncover peoples’ wool-plagued eyes, and all you prejudiced tossers out there who take this website literally should just stick to your own beliefs if you don’t like this radical new idea.
However, I must apologise to the FSM fundamentalists, as I hold no spiritual beliefs what-so-ever and hold the concept of a flying spaghetti monster as ridiculous as the idea of the Christian God. Having said that I applaud you’re courageous attempt to give your God a definite image.
Perhaps your prophet will call his disciples and in the late 2000’s a select few FSM evangelists will collate the details and eyewitness accounts of your travels and in time your very own canon of scripture will be decided. Of course this will inevitably lead to the synoptic problem and prompt university scholars in a few millennia to study the texts in great detail…
-Dismas
My only regret is that Dr. Stephen J. Gould was not alive when this site came into being. Yes, he is the original Scientist named Steve. The list of Steves who “endorse†evolution was started in his memory.
For everyone out there who keeps saying that evolution is a theory, please read his article “Evolution as Fact and Theory†at: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html
“Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world’s data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation replaced Newton’s, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.â€
If we are going to appear to understand the science behind evolution, let us not make mistakes in terminology that they can use against us.
And for all the Christians out there: please remember that a Catholic is a Christian.
And for anyone who wants more info on how to make their ideas look like science check out “the Bell Curve†by Charles Murray and Philippe Rushton’s “Race, Evolution and Behaviorâ€. If Hitler had had these guys working for him, he’d probably have won the war!
I myself am looking into this FSM. I have sent away for my copy of his Gospel. However, I currently belong to the Daughters of Marlon Brando. I can tell you no more about our secret religion for fear of prosecution…or persecution. But I was never touched by HIS noodley appendage. Long Live FSM!
Alice Whiskey
Well, I had a look at that ID website mentioned further up this thread, and couldn’t help but notice an absolute lack of a ‘post thread’ or ‘post comment’ button… they must be afraid of public comment. More kudos to the Pastafarians for having the guts to let anyone on the Net post replies.
If you ask me, the only ID website worth a visit is iD Software.
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evolution may be classified as a scientific theory, but that does not mean that it is built on flimsy evidence. in scientific literature, until something has been explained completely, it is referred to as a theory. so, even though evolution has been accepted as true almost unanimously by scientists, and has been supported by a wealth of evidence and the results of blood, sweat and tears of years of research, it cannot lose its title of “theory” until then. it does not at all mean that it is easily refuted, and it is definitely far more qualified to explain our origins than a myth can.
in fact, on a different note, I have often wondered how people can see evolution as a colder, less enchanting story of how life on earth came to be! is it not absolutely awe-inspiring to thing that these amazingly complex life-forms around us arose from the tiniest sparks of life so many years ago? and how did life form? I think it is fascinating, and much more satisfying, than being told to believe that a megahuman, who appeared out of nowhere for no apparent reason at all, decided to create a planet and torment its inhabitants.
@chocolatemonster
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Hmm, the fact that now everyone hates christians kinda shows how WRONG the bible is.
There are two basic steps to science. The first is quite creative, and it involves forming a hypothesis, or educated conjecture. The second is completely scientific and requires testing that hypothesis by attempting to prove it wrong. If the hypothesis, after numerous risky tests, is not proven wrong, it is labeled a “theory.” Now, calling a hypothesis a “theory” is a huge compliment to the scientist that created the hypothesis in the first place. Very rarely do theories develop into laws. But if the theory is tested over and over again, and if each successive test does not prove the theory wrong, then it gradually develops into fact. Obviously, with new scientific discoveries being made daily, even facts can theoretically be proven wrong, like when the geocentric model of the solar system was replaced with a heliocentric model, but this sort of revolution seldom happens.
Now, to get to the point: the “theory” of evolution has already developed into fact. There are literally no recent articles promoting creationism to be found in reputable scientific journals. Further, creationism cannot be taught as a scientific theory in schools precisely because it is not scientific; it cannot be tested.
Hope this helps!
I can tell you that scientists are NOT trying to make money the way you say it. Have you even SEEN their paychecks?And they don’t FORCE their fact’s and theories on people.That’s what christians do, not directly, but through social coercian and sometimes through violent action.Evolution MAYBE a theory, but there is no better sustitute for it, and it has almost no flaws, if any, the best arguments any other religion can provide are based on flimsy or scriptural evidence, it’s just that it is almost impossible to prove something on so large a timescale.Those bouffant haired shiny suited evangelicals are fleccing gullible thousands out of millions of dollars.Seriously, a mega preacher said that god would kill him if people didn’t give him their money, and recieved 8 million dollars!!!Creationism is [almost;-)]bunk!unless the creator had evolved himself!NEXT TIME YOU DARE MAKE SUCH AN INSULTFUL ARGUMENT,BACK IT UP WITH SOME ACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!DON’T JUST MAKE UP STUFF!!!
Don’t compare blind-trust to evidence. THAT is the difference.
People like you provoked me a big revelation the other day. After vomiting it all, my stomach felt a lot better.
Ramen
Where to start, firstly this is in no way meant to attack you or your beliefs as a Christian, only your statements are on trial here. If you visited the website and took time to read it, (at least thats my assumption) and you beg to differ on the views expressed thats your right. However keep in mind that you do not see posts like this degrading the content of the site on the Christian Science Monitor’s website or and other major religion’s website for that matter. I am glad to see that you are informed enough to see that ID should not be taught in schools because there is no scientific evidence for it. If you do have some please present it in an academic forum or journal such as Nature. I am sure that once it passes the rigorous peer review phase it will be printed and science curricula the world over updated to include the new information. If you lookup theory on dictionary.com you will see this at the bottom of the list of definitions “A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.” Whereas “A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.” You said it yourself, evolution is a theory, a very technical one at that with a immense amount of verification in academia. Therefore it meets the same criteria as say the theory of relativity or quantum physics. You also state that the Christians do not wish to impose their views upon others. This is blatantly false as is evidenced by the Christian faith based voting initiatives in the US most notably during the last two Presidential elections and the unfortunate election of a Christian President that on numerous occasions has attempted to push an agenda based off Christian ideals. Also your statement that scientists do what they do just to get rich” is absurd. Scientists are ridiculously underpaid when compared to their business counterparts, look at the Forbes list of the 500 richest individuals in the US and you will see that they are predominantly business people and any scientists on that list are statistical anomalies. If you feel that this does not satisfactorily address all your statements please continue the discussion on this page.
I would like to see this anti-Evolution “evidence”, but, I’m afraid I don’t believe you have it.
And the whole “It’s only a theory!” argument fails completely. All science is is theories, supported by facts. Evolution has so much overwhelming evidence in its favour, that for all intents and purposes, it can just be considered fact. Christians deceive people into believing there’s a big invisible guy who created everyone because they are closed minded, and afraid of the truth. Scientists study nature in hopes of explaining the world, helping humanity. And oh yes, poor poor Christians that don’t always completely get their way in a secular nation, why don’t you just go off to live in some theocracy.
At the fund a mentalist bible schools, kids appear to be told that evolutionists (Satan deciples!) say that worms and monkeys turn into people. They are also told that evolutionary “belief” in natural selection is reponsible for murder and other past atrocities.
RAmen
By the by - have you ever seen a foetus develop? (not at you Nikkiee). It starts out almost identical to a fish. What is the water content of humans? Erm. and the sodium content of that water would be? ooh - is it, like, seawater levels?
Alchemist
Sometime last week I was trying to find an illustration in one of the texts on the bookshelf at NCBI (so I could link the illustration). It shows about nine embryos from different species. I can’t pick which is which.
RAmen
Got to log off again and go take care of some stuff.
Catch you later
RAmen.
Nikkiee isn’t daft oh worshipers of false gods. Have a look at the ‘photo’s some time - they’ll blow your minds(?)
-’the fund a mentalist bible schools’-Yeah, Wench, I’ve heard that too! But for some reson they always leave out the real details of the crusades, and all the other fun things christians are responsible for( that can actually be proven).