It’s not accurate to say that FSM attracts intelligent followers by its nature. Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke, so what we get is people who know nothing and want a place to mock religion, as well as people who have read up a bit on evolution or have read up on Dawkins and have a few points on which they can argue.
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“He” would beg to differ with your mentally narcissistic post. All well-balanced human beings need relief through humor to cope with the absurdities of life. The Noodley One has bathed me in his warm glowing warming-glow.
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Mark Zurbuchen, Ph.D.
J. Simon, PhD
Professor Douglas Shaw, Ph.D
Notice a pattern, all have endorsed Pastafarianism and all have P.H.D.s. Does a P.H.D. require intelligence. I can’t remember after all the bible reading’s.
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yes and christianity attracts many intelligent folk. the three wise men were classified as intelligent, and they say they were guided by a star. that is the stupidest thing i’v ever heard. and god impregnating a random woman!!!! was it his great plan, or was it a drunken night out on the town. plus jesus’ deciples all ditched him, he obviously wasnt as pleasant to be around as the great noodly one. i mean, he gives away free meatball. the roman catholics seemed like a clever lot until rome was sacked. and now the pope is a nazi!! if i was him i wouldn’t quote any more anti-muslim texts. and the priests that you hire, they should stop feeling up little boys.
sincerely,
blubbery joe
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First of all, those aren’t the rule. They are the exception. Thus the special section devoted to them under “Academic Endorsements.” Are we reading the same forums here? Tell me they are not full of morons.
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Second, what is their PhD in? Chemistry? English Lit? Their expertise is narrow. They know the subject of their thesis quite well. Nobody can legitimately question that. But in a discussion about religion, their opinion is no more enlightened, no more informed, and no more valuable than yours, piratey joe.
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If you had a seven year attention span, you too could have a PhD in any subject you choose. And unless your chosen subject was directly related, you would still have nothing to tell me about religion and your endorsement would be as useless then as it is now.
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Ex. blubbery joe
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See what I mean?
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“…….Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke…….”
Ha ha ha haa ha ha :) :) :) :p
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Does artificial intelligence have a sense of humor?
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Do you have a seven Year attention span then you can leave us alone for seven years as you get a P.H.D in fucking your self. If you have the time to sit here and reply to your own posts. You obviously are an idiot. I agree with both joes, both blubbery and piratey.
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“…….Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke…….â€
Most of the genuinely intelligent people I’ve ever met. (a lot of them from areas outside of academia)
ALWAYS have time for a joke!
RAmen
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To:”-f”
direct quotes from the evidence section of the FSM website:
“Thank you for enlightening the world about the true creator of the universe and everything in it. As a person with a doctorate in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry from Yale University (1974) and, thus, a better than average understanding of evolution and Darwinism, I would like to endorse, wholeheartedly, your efforts to get schools to include the REAL truth about ID and about the intelligent designer, none other than the FSM, when they teach ID in their science classes. RAMEN, “
–Ann M. Körner Ph.D.
“As a biodiversity researcher, it has long been clear to me that there must have been something transcending mere variation, heritability, time and differential survival behind all these different sorts of animals and plants – why this ridiculous redundancy? But your revelation of a noodly appendage guiding all things has supplied the missing recipe for truly understanding this interwoven chaos of diversity. What could be plainer, once one has gazed on one of His manifestations, gilded with ground Parmesan, bathed in the blood of tomatoes, hallowed with the incense of basil and oregano, than the conclusion that only a transcendent being such as He could have conceived of the profoundly tangled connections that are revealed by researches into ecology and evolution. A personal relationship with Pasta should not be an option – it should be mandated, and be available on special Friday and Saturday nights.“ –Dr Mark Hutchinson (Adelaide, South Australia)
“As geneticist, my personal belief in the creator of everything was so far, that he resembles a pink invisible flying rabbit circling the earth just opposite the sun, and soundlessly squeaking “42″. In consequence, this creature is undetectable even by the most advanced human techniques. Furthermore, the ability of being pink and invisible at the same time provides proof for real allmightyness. However, Pastafarianism seems to be much more substantiated, and is not violating Occam’s razor (see comment of S. Bilson-Thompson), and follows pure philosophical logic, as colleague Brian D. Rabern has pointed out previously. Therefore, I am sure that the members of the Kansas Board of Education, who gave logic a particular importance, will honor these undisputable facts by including FSM in their curriculum, thereby setting highest educational standards also for non-US countries. – Additionally, the invisible pink rabbit hypothesis might be discussed if there could be some time spared in the pupil’s schedule. RAmen “ –Jobst Meyer, PhD, Professor of Behavioral Genetics
“The first bottle of Lambrusco I chugged in High School some 30 years ago washed my full immersion baptism into the Baptist faith away. The second bottle I chugged that night resulted in a pasta “vision†that, sadly, I was too blind and covered in noodles to understand. Now, after a long career as a Biologist and educator, I see the light. If you form a curriculum committee, keep me in mind.â€
– Jeff Young, Ph.D.
seriously how many more qualified people do you need?
RAmen brotha
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Attention: New Commandment…..”Thou shalt not laugh”
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It’s not my post I’m replying to. Its yours.
I’m doing the same thing as you: I’ve been browsing through the forums, throwing in my two cents wherever I feel like it. I may be an idiot, but I’m no more an idiot than anyone else here. What is a forum for if not for discussing or arguing? I don’t believe in drive-by insults. At the very least, I prefer to stick around and watch them take effect.
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I sincerely disgree with you. In order to obtain a doctorate, it doesn’t take a dedication to time, it takes the potential mental capacity to do so. Something that not everyone is capable. It only takes time to reach that mental capacity. And as you might know, because you seem to be pretty defensive and cocky, that part of the process to obtain your Ph.D is a research/analysis section. Meaning that these people have to be able to think both logically and extremely abstractly. That to me constitutes intelligent in every sense of the word. Moreover, mainstream religion is so fatally flawed that it only does take a few simple SCIENTIFIC facts to disprove the bible and what it stands for (ex. the age of the planet. It is obviously older than 5 or 6 thousand years). Even if FSM does atract a few people who are a bit retarded (slowed down) it also attracts many more of us who are intelligent (I’m not saying I’m a genious but I am intelligent). AND so what religion wouldn’t even compare.
I’m sorry if you disagree with me, but i don’t feel like wasting any more time arguing with you and will not reply.
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f,
Please stop because you make me laugh – which is obviously draining my intelligence!
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“It only takes time to reach that mental capacity.”
As you said yourself, intelligence can be achieved. Not everyone is capable, but most are. Many intelligent people choose not to, because they have weighed their other options and see no reason for it.
I never argued that people with PhDs aren’t intelligent. That is a misinterpretation of what was said. That argument cannot be pursued very far. What I did was question the value of a PhD endorsement of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster, by it’s nature, does not attract intelligent people. The opposition to teaching Intelligent Design in science class certainly does.
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-f
I think you have missed the point entirely!
I am curious to know what you are doing with your vast intellegence. Are you fighting against world poverty, are you protecting children from abuse? I mean what the F##K is your point?
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I just think that this site is a good way for all of us to take ourselves and a our beliefs and just laugh at ourselves, no matter what we believe in.
I think the big problem with the world today, from my perspective, is that we all just need to be a bit more tolerant of each other. I know that is not a the most popular-practised idea. But I find that at the basis of most of these religions is tolerance and understanding of your fellow brother or sister.
I think that FSM is great and really puts a smile on my face.
I have always believed that pirates were mystical. Good to find someone else who shares my beliefs.
RA
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“Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke”
Sir, you are confusing the word “intelligent” for “busy”.
Intelligent people have all the time they want to devote to anything they fancy. Busy people, it can be argued, have little time for anything but what they consider important. And even they there may be some busy people finding the chrurch of FSM an important topic of research.
I consider you do not have a point and label you irremediably as a buffoon.
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RAmen Solo!
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…It’s not accurate to say that FSM attracts intelligent followers by its nature….
I personally disagree. I have seen wonderful, as well as many, displays of intelligence at this site.
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Basicly, lets take what -f has to say litteraly:
Intelligent people have no sense of humour. If we were to take this seriously, we’d find that he cannot be intelligent (as he browses this site, and therefore has some sort of sense of humour). And therefore either way, if he’s right or wrong he musn’t be taken seriously. Foolproof logic :)
I’m sorry, but if you “don’t have time for the joke”, you don’t have time to live life, for what it was ment for.
Frick, even Dawkins has a good sense of humour, he was on colbert for god sakes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he visits this site regularly.
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Hello -f,
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First of all, let me start by saying that I’m not going to *personally* insult you.
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I’m educated to GCE level. Here in the UK (I don’t know where you’re based, so I’ll explain the whole thing, for the benefit of other posters if nothing else), that’s the exams you take at the age of 16. You can leave school after that, which I did. No college, no University. I’m seriously uneducated.
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However…
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I run a successful business (my third), designing and developing software. I play music, I climb, I involve myself in local politics. I debate *anything* with my friends. I read *lots* (not just trash thrillers and detective novels, either – although they’re fun in their own way). I correspond with lots of people via email.
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Most people that know me don’t believe that I never went to University, but I didn’t. Some of the most intelligent people I personally know didn’t – they got on with becoming millionaires instead.
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I spend time posting to this board because I have time on my hands right now – I’m on a break, between contracts. I don’t find that I’m getting any dumber by having a rest!
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I guess the points I’m trying to make here are:
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a) Education is no indication of intelligence – you can be dead smart without one.
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b) Having time on your hands is no indication of intelligence – in fact, I’d say the smartest people can probably afford more leisure time.
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c) None of the above negates the common experience here that most (but by no means all) the commentators that come here to knock FSM *miss its point* – and what inference are we to draw from that? They’re somehow *too smart* to get the joke?
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d) Finally, if someone’s in too big a hurry to read what FSM is about, properly, before posting a negative comment about it, then no, that doesn’t neccessarily make the unintelligent. But it does make them a jerk.
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“Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the jokeâ€
This is a joke, right? I laughed when I read it. So I conclude that -f has time for a joke. So from this argument I can draw the logical conclusion that -f is not genuine, or not intelligent, or neigther.
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Now let us all huddle together and re-affirm our faith in Him before engaging in a time consuming and mind numbing counting of the pasta. I shall bury my head in the pasta and I shall receive the comfort of knowing that there is a monster; and he is made of spaghetti. And he took up the sauce. And low his meatballs were placed to the right and to the left. And the strands of spaghetti, though initially tepid were elevated to a state of warmth.
Rejoice ye all. RAmen.
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@Davey
“Education is no indication of intelligence – you can be dead smart without one.”
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Something I always quoted when people said “you must be smart to be going to uni”
I also informed them that what was most demanded in studying for a degree was interest, time and effort. But if you really wanted to, yu could get past with time and effort.
“Some of the most intelligent people I personally know didn’t – they got on with becoming millionaires instead.”
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I agree. The flip side is, while they aren’t the majority, I’ve really had to wonder how some students got into uni in the first place, let alone walked out with a degree.
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RAmen
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Thank you for pointing us in the right direction, Don Lardini.
Pass the sauce and reaffirm the holy experience of being touched by his noodly appendages.
More beer.
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I’m drawn once more to consider a Larson comic, posted by someone oh so central to this argument.
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Not really dead on topic here, but we’re talking about intelligence, so I thought I would paste this link from one of my other favorite sites, Phil Plait’s “Bad Astronomy”. It appears science is once again on notice from the Catholic Church:
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http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/10/22/pope-of-wax/
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I truly love Phil’s last two paragraphs. It’s amazing how often religous pundits fail to notice the irony in their own statements.
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OEJ
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Some of the wittiest, most genuinely funny people I know have PhDs in Math, Physics and Computer Science (generally considered signs of intelligence). The reverse also seems to hold true, as all those people with PhDs that I know are almost universally possessed of sharp wit and good sense of humor.
Personally, I think you have to be at least reasonably intelligent to appreciate the humor of FSM. Ramen, intelligent brothers.
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The entire point of these intellectuals endorsing the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not to prove that he exists, but that if an omnipotent being exists, it is just as accurate to call it “god†as it is to call it “Flying Spaghetti Monsterâ€. And as to the whole anti-humor campaign, you can either live life taking it seriously and focusing on the negatives, or its possible to try to help people via science and still get a good laugh out of it before you die. Personally, I know which I choose.
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First, thanks for the link, One-Eyed-Jack!
Second, I’m not bragging or nothing, but I’m kinda smart. And I do get FSM. Maybe my intelligence isn’t genuine, though. Could I be a knock-off intellectual? That would suck.
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@ -f
For someone who obviously considers themselves to be of far greater intelligence than the rest of us, I notice that you seem to be spending an awful lot of time on here – in fact far more time than I do. Please tell us, who are you trying to convince with your “intelligence” – us…or yourself? We understand if you don’t the joke – and apprantly you don’t. Or at least if you do get the joke, you have to learn how to take one. So please, join us in thriving from His Noodley Appendage, if you choose not to, it’s your choice, but why waste your “intelligence” on something you seem to find so dumb and mundane?
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To those who were talking about intelligence and degrees a gew posts back i agree that not all smart people go to uni and apparently the pass mark for a degree in medecine is 50% – just a little something to prove the point about some people who go to uni not being tht bright. I say apparently because i got tht info randomly from the teacher during a stats lesson he said he was at uni with some people who did medecine. Can any 1 confirm if 50% is the pass mark and then post, please?
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there are several levels of intelligence, only one of them academia. There is also street smarts and applicable intelligence. I know of many people who are intelligent and have PHD’s but lack the ability to draw a corelation between a no parking sign and a parking ticket. Trust me, i’ve written enough tickets to have published a book on the topic. (working on it)
furthermore, I have met many people who have not gone to university and have led successful lives in the business sector. It’s all relative to the work that they do. the same is true for FSM. For my own curiousity, do you have a degree? Are you educated? I am sure the rest of us ‘unintelligent’ posters would love to know where….what’s the phrase/ oh yes we would like to know where you get off telling us we must be unintelligent.
Read the gospel buddy. Especailly the ‘I’d rather you didn’t’ Section.
RAmen
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I consider myself a generally intelegent person. I come here in my spare time.
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-f – “Are we reading the same forums here? Tell me they are not full of morons.â€â€”Actually, I’ve come across quite a few scientists, doctors, so on so forth…and me, of course, I’m no moron. *cough*
“But in a discussion about religion, their opinion is no more enlightened, no more informed, and no more valuable than yours,â€â€”so does that mean no one is ever allowed to have an opinion on religion but those who majored in studying it? Anyone who can get a PhD in ANYTHING is intelligent enough to consider carefully the many quirks of religion and form an intellectual opinion. I’d certainly trust them over the white trash down the street. (Assuming there is, in fact, white trash down the street near you.)
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You’ve been annoying me for some time. For one thing, getting a diploma in any field implies that you had the mental potential and stamina needed to attain that goal. Going to college for 4 years or more, you generally pick up other knowledge in addition to the stuff you paid for. I would assume that most (if not all) of the people who regularly post here are fairly intelligent, not only from the content of the posts, but by the comonly known fact that most smart people love funny stuff.
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-f,
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Please tell me what qualifications you have? Come come, let us know what educational heights you have acheived, up to PHD? If not FUCK OFF!
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“Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke, so what we get is people who know nothing and want a place to mock religion, as well as people who have read up a bit on evolution or have read up on Dawkins and have a few points on which they can argue.
And here I thought that being genuinely intelligent was what permitted me to have the time to read websites like this, in as much as it requires a bit of ingenuity, critical and executive thinking, and technical proficiency (my work has been called the product of genius, but I am far too humble to mention it) to cram as much as I do into my day and still have a decent amount of goof-off time.
Thank you for enlightening me. I now know that I am only superficially intelligent, as opposed to genuinely so.
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“Are we reading the same forums here? Tell me they are not full of morons.”
Typically we refer to them by their religious affiliation. “Morons” is really harsh. For shame.
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“Typically we refer to them by their religious affiliation. “Morons†is really harsh. For shame.”
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Yes, I think this is a typo: he meant “Mormons”.
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“It’s not accurate to say that FSM attracts intelligent followers by its nature. Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke…â€
Actually, I think it’s the truly intelligent who realize humor is one of (if not the) most important things in life. If you can’t laugh, why bother living?
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Wait, so you actually think that getting a PhD is simply a matter of studying hard? That intelligence is in no way inherited or socialized?
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I knew Phil Plait was a Pastafarian. Had to be. hehe.
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One of the things I love about this site is how intelligent and witty so many Pastafarians are. I’m not one to debate theology, and I don’t have a PhD, yet I’m no fool. There are plenty of intelligent posters of the non-Pastafarian type also, but I don’t find them very amusing. I admire those of us who debate Christians on their own terms, however. Now, I have to go look for a vegetable costume for Halloween. My department at work has been instructed to dress up as vegetables.
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If you are under the age of 20 you are automaticly stupid- According to -f’s logic, since you can’t have a PHD @ that point. So basicly, wasting many years of your life @ an academic institution = intelligent. Just thought i’d sum it up
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-f,
God loves you, everybody else….
Sorry -f, a bit below the belt but hey it makes me laugh and drains my intellect!!
Can you tell me is intelligence a requirement to get into Heaven?
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I’d just like to say that this is just hilarious. Look at all the people getting worked up because we believe in FSM instead of God. Hello people! What happened to religious freedom? Oh, since I’m a pastafarian, I’m stupid and deserve to go to hell? Yeah, all of you people getting worked up about this make me laugh till I pee!
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And I’ll still be laughing after I pass away, as I quaff from the beer volcano and watch those handsome strippers rolling off the assembly line! Ramen!
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Travis: I’m 15, in university 2nd yr and I see no reason why I can’t have a PhD before 20…
-f you.
Oh, and stop this discussion. The “intelligence” -f’s talking about is only “christian intelligence”, which is equal to 1/(academic knowledge). -f’s intelligence is infinity, while ours is 0.
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“Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke,”
Thank you. I hate how people always think genuinely intelligent people like us have the time to process anything other than completely bare statements of fact. As if I could possibly dedicate my precious brain cycles to the terribly obfuscated idea behind the FSM. It would just take so much mind juice to even begin to think about it.
Just the other day, the following exchange took place between me and a good friend of mine:
Him: “Knock Knock!”
Me: “SHUT UP CAN’T YOU SEE I’M BEING GENUINELY INTELLIGENT”
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@Obscurans
“christian intelligenceâ€
Yet another oxymoron! There are so many good ones on this site.
RAmen
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@Opa-Opa
…Him: “Knock Knock! …
Who’s there?
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“Genuinely intelligent people don’t have time for the joke”
Jokes take no time at all. Either you get it or you dont. Then its funney or it isnt. I dont see as how the joke part takes any time at all. Or is it that intelligent people dont participate in jokes. Are you saying that all intelligent people are boring, glum and joke free?
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Hey F-!
You said the expertise of PhDs is narrow. They know about the field they have worked on, so why should they know more about religion than anybody else? This is your point, right?
So here is an answer. Getting a PhD is more than remembering random shit. Having a PhD means making a scientific carrier, specifying and in fact narrowing the field of work. When you do this, you get fucking aware of the fact that you cannot study the whole world, and you will stay ignorant in many respects. But why should this keep one from studiying, from trying to understand the world? The question is how to treat ignorance.
And this is the point where science and religion differ. Science accepts ignorance, religion does not. A scientist knows that he doesn’t know shit – but he also knows that he could investigate things and would, with patience, find out. For religious people, there is nothing you they don’t know (or, from the scientist’s view, they do not accept their ignorance and are too fucking lazy to switch on their brains). In religion, everything you don’t know – is GOD! (sorry, I of course would say the Spaghetti monster). By the way, in logic, you call this “argumentum ad ignorantiam”.
Believe what you want, but if you can switch on your brains and think about it… realize that religion and science are perspectives – and fucking are different.
Greetz, mopert!
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I heard einstien had a wicked sense of humour……look at the hair….nuff said…
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You specified intelligence. Do your responses mean everyone who does not study religion is unintelligent? And how many Christians do get a PHD in religion? I’m willing to bet that a lot of them choose other subjects. So what makes them more qualified than us?
Also, I’ve got to say that unintelligent people would go “lol, spagetti” and forget about the FSM. Intelligent ones would get the purpose and continue to be amused and support this new God.
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I agree with SaucyWench – I find Pastafarians to be seriously funny as well as seriously (or is that genuinely?) intelligent, as a whole. There are many witty folks hanging out here. Plus, there’s the fun of being a pirate.
lunchlady
PS Too bad you have to be a vegetable for Halloween at work, SaucyWench – I get to wear my full pirate regalia (well, except I have to leave my pistol and sword at home), and go to school and feed my students pasta!
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Tell you what. When you can present to me evidence that you are right, and FSM is wrong- then I will convert to whatever religion you are. But you have to present evidence against thousands of years of time that your religion didnt’ exist, present a logical explanation for the countless inconsistencies in your holy book, explain why your religion is “more” correct than the thousands of other religions that present the reason “because god said so”… actually… how about you just email me; I have a checklist.
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lunchlady, how lucky you are! Now wait a minute, though. Couldn’t I at least pay a little homage to His Noodliness and go as tomato or spinach pasta of some kind? I think that qualifies as a vegetable. At the very least, it would confuse people.
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I thought einstin liked a laugth, so he was either fakeing it or he was a idiot and FSM was takeing over him to create his ideas.
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Actually Einstien couldn’t spell his own name.
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Hey, SaucyWench, if Reagan could declare ketchup a vegetable as part of school lunch, I don’t see why His Noodliness couldn’t declare spinach fettucine a vegetable as well. Then, with some sauce and meatballs, you would certainly be a complete and balanced tribute to Pastafarianism! (and don’t forget the beer!)
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I wish the lunchladies at my school were followers of his holy noodle. Twould be much more amusing. Mabye I can convert them….
And some beer is made from vegetables(not just grain), isn’t it? Mabye that’s rum I’m thinking of. well, I know you can make SOMETHING alcoholic from the green stuff.
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well duh its not acurate to say that FSM attracts intelligent FOLLOWERS.
its just satire, i hope no one honest-to-goodness follows it like a real religion.
FSM does, however, gather groups of evolution-supporting, logic-using, in-general smart people. and thats good.
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and i think everyone here would protest to the phrase “people who know nothing”…
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Anna
While I can’t actually prosthyletize (sp? too lazy to spellcheck) at school, and the parents would be horrified if I even mentioned His Noodly Goodness, I can and do support “Pasta Your Way” day, every Thursday, so hopefully as these kids grow up, they will come to love Him, and all He stands for, as much as I do…
Next year, I’m going to promote TLAPD Day, too!
What fun!
(Gues I won’t mention Beer Volcano and Stripper Factory, either)
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We are here therefore we are not smart.
You are here therefore you are not smart.
RAmen
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Well, if you want to go my George Bush, apparently your religion doesn’t attract very intelligent followers either. At least the people here know how to take a joke and use proper grammar, but hey, I guess knowing how to use the language you speak every day of your life is just below your level of “intelligence”, right?
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It’s true the FSM does not ATTRACT intelligent followers; the FSM just CREATED us that way.
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this is really offending me people, take back your blasphemous words and accept the FSM in your heart, or die and go to hell…
anyway, my IQ is 126, apparantly average is 100, and I just recieved my ‘Gospel of the FSM’. may I ask what your IQ is -f??? and if any other pastafarians, evolutionists or ‘intelligent’ designisters wish to include theirs, mabye with a link, perhaps we can solve this?
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Don’t use the scientific scale of IQ.
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Use the christian scale of IQ, defined as 1/(knowledge)
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Therefore his IQ is infinity, and ours is just plain 0 (arbitrarily near to).
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BTW: mine is 153, and the average is going up all the time (maybe education gets better)?
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Well, if Dawkins is all you know, then you probably have to read up more. Most of Dawkins books are actually very good assimilations of major ideas from many different scientists. If you would to go and read up on books and scientific papers from every single scientists involved in evolution, you’ll probably be able to get your Masters in Evolutionary Bio right away. Hence Dawkins books are highly recommended since they are targeted at the layman too, the language not too technical and bla…
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You can try Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Stephen Jay Gould, James Watson, and for a more balanced view The Language of God by Francis Collins, an evangelical christian and the head of the human genome project. However, I believe most freethinkers/atheists would arrive at the same conclusion they had initially anyway…
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It’s not accurate to say FSM attracts smart people.
It’s not accurate to say Christianity attracts smart people neither.
You can’t say Christians are all moral.
You can’t say Atheists are all moral.
You just can’t make 2 lists of names and start comparing… it’s 3-year-old’s logic at it’s best.
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well. I’m reel smart ‘n stuff. U can tell I’m reeeel smart cuz my daddy got me inta a gud skool by payin dem lotsa moneys. Dat’s kewl. I ran some bisnesses inta th’ ground befor I sold ‘em to my daddy’s frends. I jus know i’m way smarter ‘n enybody else. Lissen ta this: “Nuuuu-kleee-yer!” See! Smarter ‘n the President! I’d lyk ta see HIM pruh-nounce that!
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Bill Bryson’s ‘A short histroy of nearly everything’, even my Mum was able to read it. I can’t imagine a person could actually read it and still be into ID…
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ID is just for uneducated people who desperately want to be ’scientists’. It is so full of inconsistencies that it hurts. It only works on isolated, unsophisticated people, who desperately look for easy answers. Without wanting to offend anyone, but that is why it works best in the USA, sad, but true.
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by the way, English is a foreign language to me. Can you, dear -f, argue in a language foreign to you? I guess I never laughed enogh :’(
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This is my favorite website. The first time I saw it I laughed so hard I cried. I share it with other ‘un-intelligent’ people, too. They also agree it is a great site. Did I mention that according to the Stanford-Binet test my IQ is 162? Well above genius. Or that I attended highly-gifted magnet schools from second grade to senior year of HS? But hey, who believes in phony intelligence tests anyway?
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Actually, I did an entire essay on the diffrence between ID and evolution, and it got published in the newspaper…Now a stupid person couldn’t do that. Plus whats the point of being intelligent if your a stuck of prude that everyone hates…Where’s the fun in that?
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Actually, I did an entire essay on the diffrence between ID and evolution, and it got published in the newspaper…Now a stupid person couldn’t do that. Plus whats the point of being intelligent if your a stuck up prude that everyone hates…Where’s the fun in that?
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In a way he the openning post is kind of correct, I mean we are not actually showing are full potential here. Then again I don’t really need my full potential to out wit a christian!
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It seems like you have time for the joke, otherwise you would not have sent this hate-mail.
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That statement itself is idiotic…any fool can believe in a god (any god) because a book or their parents told them to…to look beyond that takes not only guts and self-confidence but a brief sense of logic that isn’t circular (”I believe in this book” “why?” “because it told me to”)….and about the web site….any fool can read and comprehend something; only the knowing can enjoy the joke.
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Last time I checked, sheep (and other easily led livestock) didn’t have very large mental capacities. Shocking that those who follow blindly would be attacking those who think for themselves. something to ponder I’m sure.
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Betcha my IQ is higher than yourse!
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> what we get is people who know nothing and want
> a place to mock religion
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I believe you are confusing divine inspiration with mocking. To be sure, there are some parallels between Pastafarianism and Christianity, but just the parts that by chance, or by His noodly inspiration, Christians got right, such as the creation of the world by a single “Creator” (in 7 days for Christians, in 0.062831853 seconds, approximately, for Pastafarians). This is not a mocking of Christianity – Christians deserve credit for getting a few things right – and Pastafarians are not afraid to give credit where credit is due.
We Pastafarians simply want a level playing field – let all religions/theories be free – let them all be taught. If you truly believed in religious freedom you would be a supporter of Pastafarianism.
As for Dawkins, well again Christians and Pastafarians, can find some common ground. Dawkins has famously said that “religion is the root of all evil”. I don’t know about the Christian god, but how can “noodly goodness” be “evil” – by definition that is not possible, so Dawkins is wrong.
I would urge you -f, and you Mr Dawkins, to open your hearts to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and let him into your life.
Go in garlicy peace my friends.
Brother Boyardee
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I just stumbled across this site, and had a good chuckle out of this thread.
I’ve always said “Life, no one gets out alive”. So you can either have a good time, enjoy yourself, enjoy the finer things in life. Or you can take everything totally seriously and be completely miserable for the rest of your life. Me? I think I’ll chuckle and ponder the more amusing things I stumble across…
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I think you guys scared him away…
–Sean
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It’s true. Smart people have no time for humor. I looked it up…seriously.
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you’ve got to be kidding me. if you all take any of this stuff seriously you are just letting everyone know that you are very niave.sp? this site is ment to be humorus and prove a point. the point is that if intelligent design which is strictly based on faith alone can be taught is schools then why can’t something absurd as the flying spagetti monster? i am not saying that faith is a bad thing, i am not an atheist, but it should definitly not be taught in schools as a science.. that’s what church is for. there is much more evidence that supports evolution than that supports intelligent design and therefore, intelligent design should not be taught as a science.
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By American law I am not yet an adult, but I have an IQ over 50 points above the U.S.A average. In general, yes we are a clever lot.
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@ Jack Sparrow,
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You are confusing me. You are named after a paragon of piraticality, but your posts suggest to me an anti-pastafarian trend.
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Lay yer cards on the table, ye scabrous dog. Arr ye with us, or ‘gainst us?
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@Devil Ponies
“Actually, I did an entire essay on the diffrence between ID and evolution, and it got published in the newspaper…”
Post it for us.
@liz Oct 27th, 2006 at 7:11 am
“Last time I checked, sheep (and other easily led livestock) didn’t have very large mental capacities. ”
Spot on liz.
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Most genuinley intelligent people have a sence of humor.
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Uhhh inteligent people like humor to. You don’t like the FSM fine, just dont call us all stupid when you have no proff were all as brain dead as you claim. You probly dont even know any of us personaly either so go make fun of people you know are retarted to make yourself feel better.
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As someone who often eats bagels, I feel eminently qualified to expound on this matter of intelligence and how it is represented within the FSM community as a whole. Having only been knocked unconscious twice, I believe in the FSM. Having eaten more acid than TUMS and Rolaids combined, I stil can’t get stupid enough to believe in Adam, Eve, unicorns, Noah or tea leaves.
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION, THEN DON’T GET A FLU SHOT THIS YEAR!
(Allow me to explain for the un-intelligent design loonies. Influenza viruses mutate (evolve) constantly so that each new strain must be identified and an anti-viral must be developed. However, in a world where there is no evolution, then this must not actually happen. Belive that if you will and skip the flu shot. Perhaps a few idiots will not fare so well with an untreated sickness and the herd will be culled of a few IQ curve-killers.
Take faith and twirl it on a fork.
Arrrhhhhgghhhhh. Ramen
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-f seems to confuse intelligence with leisure time.
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Is there a correlation between intelligence and free time? Do smart people work more than not-so-smart people because they are working on difficult projects (some do), or less because they’ve got figured things out and don’t have to work so hard to earn a living? Probably both.
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You have to be pretty smart AND motivated AND dedicated to get a PhD. While not having a PhD doesn’t mean one is not intelligent, motivated, or dedicated.
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Obviously this site attracts people from all intelligence levels, but it’s the hate mail that proves “f’s point.
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@BroBoy
Oct 27th, 2006 at 11:37 am
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“[T]here are some parallels between Pastafarianism and Christianity … such as the creation of the world by a single “Creator†(in 7 days for Christians, in 0.062831853 seconds, approximately, for Pastafarians).”
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I thought it was 10-12 minutes (or until the noodles are ‘al dente’). Then drain and serve with a delicious Saucy Wench and a tasty beer. However, I consulted the GOTFSM and – Y’aaargh! Enlightenment on page 51!
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However, I found no requirement that I forgo Saucy Wenches and tasty beer, so my belief in the wisdom of Pastafarianism is unshaken.
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May we all be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
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RAmen!
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If you say that intelligent people are not attracted to pastafarianism, then their fields of expertiese are of no consequence. As soon as you say that an intelligent person is attracted to pastafarianism, then intelligent people ARE in fact attracted to it. you cannot say they they do not when by your own admission they do. the idea of them being “and exception to a rule” is likewise stupid, because by your own admission they are intelligent, and attracted to pastafarianism.
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I can easily rebut this comment because I myself am genuinely intelligent. I have a literally perfect academic record, including qualifications in maths, physics, chemistry, biology, geology and astronomy. Presently, I’m reading for a degree in Earth Sciences at St. Edmund Hall in the University of Oxford, which I fully expect to follow up with a doctorate. I have been collecting geological specimens and scientific textbooks for most of my life.
Everything that I have seen and read in every field of science has confirmed the existence of His Noodliness. For example, the problem of wave-particle duality is completely solved by considering light and so on to be streams of wavy spaghetti.
Yours as intimidatingly as possible,
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Does not attract intelligent followers? O RLY??? ;)
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
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Don’t forget the Atheist’s Pope Richard Dawkins
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Above, Ted Linguini wrote “Take faith and twirl it on a fork.” This suggests a great tag line for the Church of the FSM:
“Pastafarianism: Faith you can twirl on a fork.”
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I have seen countless people debating over evolution, and I can conclude that their work achieved nothing. The IDers are so rooted in their faith that any evidence can be beaten by a simple “God did it.” That is where FSMism comes in; simple mockery and humor can expose the ridiculousness of some of the creationist ideas. If you are simply suggesting that most people on our forums are stupid, then you have wasted your time. The fact is that most people in this world are stupid. If you look at any community, you will probably find that most members are stupid. You are one of said stupid people. Congratulations, -f-er
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Thanks for the reference Zok! This is good stuff. Max: Long live ridicule of the stupid! Since we’re buried in the annoying fuckers we way as well have a little fun.
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That’s the spirit!
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“Pastafarianism: Faith you can twirl on a fork.”
I love it, matey.
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I, too, agree with the new motto. I want a bumper sticker.
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Like Hi IQ, my own IQ is 162. Pretty high. I also have three jobs and go to school, so I’m busy too. Yet I still have time to meander over to this site once or twice a day. Honestly, if I didn’t find the time to laugh, I’d probably go completely mad and start believing that an invisible man lived in the sky, had premarital sex with a fourteen year old, then later killed the resulting child and turned him into a zombie.
You know, Jesus being a zombie explains a lot. Coming back from the dead, the brain eating… hmm…
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How many specialists of evolution or any branch of biology actually can deny evolution. Almost zero. And what about these so called “holy men” of Christianity what are they experts in? They know nothing but what they were taught in church or read in a book based on nothing that can be proven. Evolution is based on scientific fact, research it. It makes sense, ID does not. It’s not so difficult to see how Natural Selection works my friend. Science can be proven, Religion can not be proven.
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I may just, technically, be an irish kid of the age of 15, but if god is perfect,, why would he feel the need to create anything, much less an imperfect world? If to be perfect is to be complete in every sense, then why would he feel the desire to create, and why would he feel the need to tempt his people. To me this suggests either sadism , or really having nothing better to fdo with his time. If anyone wants to hear of anymore arguments against God(s) i’ve got a few more cooking here. And by the way, in case you haven’t noticed,im not tryinfg to offend your beliefs, these are merely my own. Thank you. And (i know i shouldn’t start a sentence with it, but who cares?) who gave you the right to assume that people of an intelligent nature wouldn’t have time for a joke? That is highly offensive and blatantly incorrect
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Intelligent people don’t have time for the joke….. what an arse…. I have 2 degrees and currently work as a scientist…. intelligent people always have time for a joke…. maybe more time ’cause it doesn’t take us quite as long to get the joke dumbshit!
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Ok so my 4.0 GPA in a double major doesn’t make me intelligent?????? Oh and I have 2 jobs and 2 children (yep smarties also), let’s see I volunteer at my local zoo, I volunteer to teach people to read, and on and on
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I always have time for intelligent satire and critical thinking.
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I attended a magnet school in Austin, TX, which while being smack dab in the middle of hickdom, is one of the more prestigious public high schools (that’s kind of an oxymoron I know). I’m doing more extra-curricular activities than average (scio, cretamen, knowledge masters, Latin club and im filming a mildly satirical movie (most people will just laugh)) but I have a very good Christian friend who argues with me over evolution and ID constantly, but I don’t hate him, I believe that there is too much broad hostility being conveyed by us(aren’t we suppose to be the smart ones?) to all Christians. We as a faith are losing our original purpose, to get rid of ID from schools and keep it out. From the various hate mails we have gotten we have begun to lose sight of our purpose, we are turning from activists to a Christian hating cult, come on guys lets not be another scientologist cult
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lets only attack the people who attack us, and I can share a joke when intellegant people lose sight of what makes us human we become the hitlers and stalins of the world.
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@anthrobabe
>”Ok so my 4.0 GPA in a double major doesn’t make me intelligent??????
Oh and I have 2 jobs and 2 children (yep smarties also), let’s see I volunteer at my local zoo, I volunteer to teach people to read, and on and on”
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Everybody comes here and touts their credentials. You are throwing everything you have out there to give yourself more credibility. Your inflated sense of entitlement and self-worth is hilarious. I hope that this is not the attitude that you have towards everything in your life. It is interesting that even after getting a 4.0 GPA in your double major (in what and what?), you are not uniquely useful enough to anyone for them to hire you on full time. Everyone loves themselves first and loves their kids second. Everybody thinks they know better. You are average, and your two kids are average. There is nothing wrong with being average. 50% of people just as dumb or dumber than you are, 50% are just as smart or smarter. Its the lower half that you teach reading skills to. Volunteering at a zoo is not an indication of your intelligence.
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>”I always have time for intelligent satire and critical thinking.”
FSM is not critical thinking. Its a joke. Its not intelligent satire. Its slapstick.
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Seems more like intelligent satire to me.
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And what does that say about you?
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@Cunnilingus Rice
Feel free to leave! Thanks for enlightening us with your “superior opinion”
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Ms. Rice…
Back at’cha, matey!!!
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Probably steals candy from little kids!
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Her screen name is a dead giveaway.
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I have an IQ of 157, a degree in medicine, a degree in physiology AND an ‘eye wateringly large’ (in a random sample of one of my ex girlfriends) male member.
And I BEElliievve.
Arrr!!! May its tomatoey tentacles tell thou the terrible tangy truth tritely tommorow.
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Cunnilingus Rice–That I have a better sence of humor then you? ;)
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that is a pretty unfair comment, I have been in all the higher sets for everthing (exept P.E.) I took seperate science this year and am predicted A grades, I HAVE TIME FOR A JOKE, you dont have to be a moron to have a laugh! In fact I find that the people with the best sense of humour are the boffins.
oh yeah, and i am in set one for R.S. so I dont realy want the
“so what we get is people who know nothing and want a place to mock religion, as well as people who have read up a bit on evolution or have read up on Dawkins and have a few points on which they can argue.”
Bullshit
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Dawkins who?
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Evolution what?
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Maybe it’s more accurate to say that fundamentalist right-wing religious nutcases attract retarded immature imbeciles.
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But then again that would be unfair to the retarded, the immature and imbeciles..
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Anyway that leaves plenty of just normal people for FSM to attract.
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Wow…cause if they’re Christian, they have to be Fundamentalist right-wing religious nutcases right? No liberal Christians then right?
Thats fine, I’m excluded too because I’m Independent. So again…whats your point?
Dr. Michael Martin
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since you have told us in various threads that you endorse creation science and believ taht the christian god is the only god, you are clearly not independant.
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I made no mention of any specific religion, or political affiliation. I was responding to the OP anyway.
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My only point was you don’t have to be Einstein to be attracted to FSM.
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Cunnilingus Rice, you teach people to read at the zoo? *cough* thats a giraffe my friend, a giraffe…
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Thankfully, Cunnilingus swallowed his tongue.
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Your conclusion does not follow. My religion is Christian. My political stance is Independent. And you have no right to tell me what I am and am not.
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@Dr. Michael Martin
WTF?? Can you not read?? I didn’t tell you ANYTHING. I have no wish to tell anyone what they can and cannot do. It seems to be the aforementioned nutcases that come here telling us we are wrong and we should die and go to hell…I wish no-one to die and go to hell. And if you can’t follow the simple conclusion that you don’t have to be a genius to be attracted to FSM then that’s your problem not mine.
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forgive me, i misinterpreted your last message. i was referrinmg to your religious, not political stance.
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Oops maybe you were not responding to me. If not please accept my apologies.
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I agree. It attracts people that have exactly the same intelligence as every other religion. People who have exactly the same knowledge base and are as informed as members of every other religion.
On a lighter note, I have taken up pastafarianism in the hope that through communing with the great FSM he will let me not be touched by his noodly appendage as I jump from airplanes. Thus when I am skydiving I can one day do so without a parachute, once HE feels that I have sufficient faith. I plan to spread the word of FSM to all of the other skydivers at the local dropzone so that they can help me to convince HIM to help us with his noodly appendage during our “intelligent falling” episodes.
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Of course, I doubt many people of other Religious beliefs would be willing to take that Leap of Faith… Maybe their belief in their God just isn’t as strong as they say. I say they should prove it.
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well, pastafarians basically can all read, write (type at least) and use computers. They also have an understanding of satire. Where as there are many, many people from other religions which cannot do (any/all of) the above, so i would guess the average intellegence is, infact, higher.
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I actually conducted a poll regarding belief in a God on the MENSA forums (gotta be a member to see)
Around 56% claim a disbelief in gods
And deducing from other posts the majority of the remaining 44% believe in god in a very nebulous non religiously defined way… So there is most certainly a correlation between IQ and religiosity.
(and lets not get in to my IQ :) )
Viva FSM
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“Dr. Michael Martin Nov 21st, 2006 at 2:12 pm
Dawkins who?”
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And you claim to be a Dr? I think you should check your foot for bullet holes…
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Don’t bring up the Doktor again, spider, speaking his name may cause him to manifest!
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Oh dear! Both the BLR and the dokta have been mentioned on threads in the past 12hrs or so. That can’t bode well at all. :(
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We are…surrounded with…signs and portents…
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Uh so intelligent people can’t have a laugh?
It attracts people as any other religeons do just people here and there…
Who the fuck says because you inteligent you have to use your brain properly! I mean hell I know that I can do some amazing art but I sit and waste my time on the internet.
Just because your ‘intelligent’ it does not mean you know how to use it properly.
For goodness ake if you had that much intelligence and you couldn’t let a little out on a luagh you would truly implode.
-Just a little silly girl laughing at a serious little person
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O! I see now, I have been so stupid all my life, damn. I can’t be a cleaver person because I have sense of humour. I mean sense of humour (time for a joke) is clearly a limiting factor of intelligence. Its just silly to suggest that any one who has ever spent a second of there life finding something amusing could be inelegant. They should just spend there time being inelegant, not doing anything light hearted. Naturally I can not form any of my own opinions, I have merely read up on Dawkins and Darwin (who clearly spends his time preaching that FSM is god) and have never formulated my own opinions on religion. No! I haven’t!
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I don’t think it’s fair to say that ALL pastasfarians are intelligent, because there are always some slow-coaches in the mix somewhere, people don’t become pastafarians quite for that reason.
People become pastafarians because the intent of every aspect of pastafarianism aims at being positive. It encourages tolerance, goodwill, dressing up like a pirate to please his noodliness (and because it is so damn fun!), preaches of a delightful sounding heaven and encourages that the deity is one that just wants to be happy with his people.
You don’t need to be intelligent to be pastafarian, but I assure you that you don’t have to be stupid either. That’s not the point.
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f said “First of all, those aren’t the rule. They are the exception. Thus the special section devoted to them under “Academic Endorsements.” Are we reading the same forums here? Tell me they are not full of morons.
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Second, what is their PhD in? Chemistry? English Lit? Their expertise is narrow. They know the subject of their thesis quite well. Nobody can legitimately question that. But in a discussion about religion, their opinion is no more enlightened, no more informed, and no more valuable than yours, piratey joe.
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If you had a seven year attention span, you too could have a PhD in any subject you choose. And unless your chosen subject was directly related, you would still have nothing to tell me about religion and your endorsement would be as useless then as it is now.
It may have been said before but (to quote dawkin’s uni proffessor on theology) “I have grave doubt to whether it is actually a subject”
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are you saying intelligent people never laugh?
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