While one may correctly say that evolution is a fraud, that is not to say that that same person “believes in†Creation as it is literally set forth in Genesis.
The answer is: We don’t know where we came from. Let’s find out.
Evolution is as much, if not more, of an irrational religion than what any Creationist spouts.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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The eye has been around since the first complex organisms such as the trilobyte which it’s fossil remains were found in the Cambrian period strata… problem is no complex organisms have been found in pre-Cambrian strata.
1. How can simple cells on their own know there is wavelengths of light that can be seen.
2. How simple cells organize and make the complex parts necessary to view the light especially when ALL parts are necessary for it to work?
How one can look at the brain, the eye, the ear or the mechanism that clots blood and not see the beauty of design?
Jesus claimed that preaching Christ crucified would be a stumbling block to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the gentiles and that the foolishness of God is WISER than a man’s wisdom.
Good Day to you all…
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I am also not insisting that macro evolution isn’t at work. I am just insisting that it would only work if God himself set it in place.
I believe death came into the world through Adam and Eve and I believe that because Jesus never claimed otherwise… it must be a fact. Otherwise Jesus’s death and resurrection would be MEANINGLESS. That would make Christianity a lie.
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Arrhur Clark said that
All things sufficiently advanced appear to be magic.
Like earthworms in the garden soil — we are unaware of the “magic” of life about us. Intellegent design? Evolution?
Both can indeed co-exist — some evidence exist for both. We tend to believe only our senses, so “scientific evidence” tends to surface as the explanation. String theory has given way to multiverse, the sun dosen’t revolve aroung the earth.
We have been wrong before, what’s different about today?
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Dumbass Liberal
its nice to see not all the Christian posters are idiots but what your up against is a lot of people with complete faith in what they beleive in. We also face a grouping of the same type of people, you shouldn’t bother yourself about us (even though it is funny the response some get). We will either burn in hell or not we’ll see when we get there or anywhere else for that matter. In the meantime I’m going to beleive what I want no matter what anyone says, sorry but no fundamentalist, Crazy or intelligent, is going to change that.
Your friend
the antichrist
Ncik666
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Mr liberal
I submit that whereas we can demonstrate the mechanics of life none can fathom the “imbuing” of the soul on that collection of cells and biology. The recognition of fair or right and wrong are perhaps an anthropology visited upon us by societal education, but there is still (in your gut — instinct?) an inner voice that stills abberant behavior. We are instinctivly drawn toward the ordering of our life by a higher power — The Greeks and Romans created a god for each season, planetary body, and hairy toe searching for that connection to the universe. We have all felt this at one time or another. We can’t deny evolution — it has happened within our own lifetime, mice are smarter bacteria are resistant to medication, humnans are more robust. The intangibleness ascribed God, faith, love, generosity exists also
I like the way you think.
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Ncik666
I’m the last to proselytize, and wouldn’t presume to suggest a course of belief or disbelief. You are unique in ideas and personality, by virtue of that very uniqueness an open mind is a huge asset. Faith is by it’s very nature is absolute — you do or you don’t — when you sit on the couch you commit fully to that action. (I lay on the couch a lot — my wife says so) I can admire those who are fully commited. That commitment can be a barrier to new or fresh ideas.
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“1. How can simple cells on their own know there is wavelengths of light that can be seen.
2. How simple cells organize and make the complex parts necessary to view the light especially when ALL parts are necessary for it to work?”
This is a common problem among creationists. You assume because you, personally, never having studied the chemical nature of light sensors or prokaryote social behaviour, do not have an answer there must be no answer at all.
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@ Dumbass Liberal
What use is half an eye? Not that AGAIN. How many times does it need to be pointed out that irriducible complexity (I think thats the term) does NOT, in fact, prove ID. Evolution is not just an additive process, things can be taken away too; just feel the top of your ass-crack next time you come up for air to find evidence of something that we no longer have.
Watch out for the parasitic wasps. They’re gonna getcha!
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Sigh. I didn’t want to have to do this, but you, Dumbass Liberal, have forced me to actually explain why I believe in evolution. And by the way, I am not a dumbass. Unless you were calling yourself a dumbass, in which case (insert harsh criticism here).
FIRST OF ALL: You believe very strongly in Christianity. That’s very nice for you, but how can you prove that your God is the correct one and the supreme being is not, as Bobby Henderson suggests, a FSM? And don’t give me that ‘the Bible is absolute fact’ crap. That’s not proof. That’s just an excuse for me to laugh at you with my ‘dumb liberal’ friends.
SECONDLY: As for your eye argument- there are very simple creatures in existance now, with very simple sorts of ‘eyes’ that could easily have existed first as a survival mechanism to find food. So that’s my defense of that.
THIRDLY: There is, as I think someone else rightly pointed out, several kinds of evolution happening as we speak. THe thing about evolution is it’s gradual. As in ‘glacier accumulating, moving twelve miles and melting over eons’ gradual. You can’t watch it happen in a month, or a year, or a lifetime. What you can watch is Darwin’s actual theory: natural selection. For that I’ll refer you to any (normal) science text book ever written.
AS A FINAL NOTE: It may be interesting to point out that in his time, Darwin was highly ridiculed by the mostly Christian oriented science community. He eventually won them over, which gives some more evidence to you that evolution is not total junk.
RAmen.
~W.A.
P.S.: How do you know that God gides evolution? DO you have proof? Food for thought.
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Here’s an interesting dilemma, oh mighty spaghetti monster.
If (your judeo-christian religion here) is correct, then at the time of your death, you will meet with (your maker here) and go on to your heavenly rewards.
If there is no afterlife or (your creator here), then at the time of your death, you will be gone.
So, if you’re right, you win. If you’re wrong, you will never know, so in effect you still win, by at least having a belief that sustains and cheers you during your (one and only) life.
I do envy (your religion here) at times. Devout agnostic that I am.
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A quick google search turned up a couple of sites on the evolution of the eyes in trilobites. With the exception of the trilobite which had the most advanced eyes many creatures in the late precambrian and early cambrian had pseudo eyes. You know if you want to believe that god created eyes thats fine. I kind of lean in that direction. But illregardless teaching that god created eyes in a state funded school system should not be allowed. And D. Liberal before you bust out the eye argument again you should do a quick google search and see if perhaps there isnt an explination for what you say cant be explained.
http://www.trilobites.info/eyes.htm
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Evolution/TrilobiteArmsRace.htm
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This all goes to show that my theory is correct: we are all mutants. Some of just know we are mutants. Others refuse to be one with their mutant natures.
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As for what use half an eye is… approximately half as much use as a whole eye.
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Dear “Dumbass Liberal”,
Your argument is cyclical. Science can’t be correct because it would make christianity false; christianity is true; therefore science is false, which proves christianity is true. So if you accept as an axiom the assumption that christianity is true, you’re able to prove it using that assumption. Can you really not understand the magnitude of your stupidity?
Teresa – you’re describing pascal’s wager. Here are a few pages about it – but beware: They sometimes involve math, which is almost as evil as science. If you believe in numbers, check out these links:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/pascal_w.htm
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/pasc-wag.htm
http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/nogod/pascal.htm
Enjoy.
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let’s say a species with only dark/light-seeing eyes, wich means they see if there is light and if there is no light, prefer to eat plants. those grow where light is. So now they know light= food. they would servive, while the others search in the dark.
Well, i like to be a muntant, but why do only so less mutants know what they are:
See, if you raise a dog, he thinks he is in his pride with you and your family. he thinks(yes he thinks) he is one of us. that’s it. Dog-mutants aren’t so far away from human-mutants. just some million of years. take it easy. You’re not in live to prove yourself. You can live like: 1. the community allows you to, 2. you want to. no need to be afraid to drink alcaholics, if you are muslim, for example. The only hell you can get in, is addiction. But this is a quiet tough one.
You are 100% responsible for your doings – there is no destiny from above.
It’s too easy to say “he want it for me” …just say “Shit happens, I made a mistake/desiccion and accept the results of it.”
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sry for my english, I’m, from the (almoast) other side of this “Earthdisc”
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There may be bones in the sand but GOD sent a bird in the hand and one bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
now
and we are created by GOD and GOD is real and watching us all.
Anyone that ever saw me pray knows, something is not the obvious with me.
There is a supernatural force and HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE
the LORD GOD IS WITH THEE force.
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Religious whackos?
Satan get back from me.
I pray and things happen.
You are seeing modern day signs and they are bonafide
miracles.
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King James is the one who needs to bow down.
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I am Mary sent back. I wrote the Queen of England a letter and she was on the news with it. I am not a fake.
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I am much braver than you think I am.
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“I believe death came into the world through Adam and Eve and I believe that because Jesus never claimed otherwise… it must be a fact. Otherwise Jesus’s death and resurrection would be MEANINGLESS. That would make Christianity a lie.”
Quite the house of cards, isn’t it?
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Hey you disconcerned mouthy ones, you ought to be more concerned.
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Well I believe that human kind needs to be taught a lesson and shit is about to hit the fan.
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King James liked selling BIBLES, it distracted mankind from reality.
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I am Mary sent back, I got renamed Catherine.
I live a normal life now.
Semi anyhow.
Things have got to change though.
I don’t like living in a warring world
and being unsafe in it.
Miracles are happening because of my prayers to GOD.
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The birth was documented and the government confirmed that Mary had been reborn. The church asked for proof and I gave it to them.
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Take your meds.
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Mutant, mutant, mutant.
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Fascinating and at the same time a bit scary to read the hate mail. But one thing strikes me as odd, a lot (well, at least some) of writers argue that evolution is all fake since the bible says otherwise but why arent there any(are there?) writers who argue that the earth is flat? This is also stated in the bible and I would expect at least some writers to claim it to be the truth and that anyone who says otherwise will burn in hell.
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Patrick,
Please give me the book and verse in the bible where this claim is made.
Thanks
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I am not impressed with the “scientific” evidence given regarding the evolution of the eye… sounds like philosophical smoke and mirrors to me .
When I consider Behe’s work regarding Irreducible Complexity and William Demski’s work regarding the probability of evolution, I personally feel that the likelyhood of macro evolution occurring based only on random events is quite laughable
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Yup, veryone is nuts… I like the mutant theory.
I begrudge no one their belief no matter how laughable it is… a big santa in the sky is cute… really. May his noodly appendage heal all wounds. RAmen
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If you can look at a list of eyes that actually exist, each more complex than the last, running from hardly being able to tell what direction a light source is in to spotting mice from however high hawks spot mice at, and believe that natural evolution of an eye is actually impossible… I just don’t know, man. That’s the sort of willful blindness that makes our discussing eyes seem ironic somehow.
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I challenge any and every one here to prove that the universe has not yet ceased to exist.
It was UnMade by PacMan, the All-Devourer!!!!!
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What I find far stranger though, is that, here, in South Africa, it is the liberals who tend creationist, and the conservatives that believe in evolution.
Of course, there is no proof of existence, except for things in existence. Obviously that is circular logic meant to confound us.
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Sometimes it is convenient for religion to use logic to find holes in scientific theories, but never to support it’s own.
I’m going to go make some wine into water.
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ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTi MONSTER!
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Religious or Scientific, what’s all the fuss about?
It’s all ancient Hermeneutics.
Who can make me a hummingbird without using any other hummingbirds? Please post :)
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Mr “DL”(great choice of name for yourself, by the way)would you mind telling us, if Behe et al. have shown ALL living organisms to have the same designer? I don’t know how they can, as by definition the designer cannot be subjected to any study or examination. As such, quite possibly there are an infinite number of designers.
And did designers need their own designers?Again, quite possibly, because they cannot be examined. Unless, of course, the Great Designer is the Fly Spaghetti Monster. He doesn’t need one, because his Gospel says so.
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If evolution is a fraud explain to me then what the skeletons of dinosaurs and cavemen are. Supposedly the world started with Adam and Eve so where do the dinosaurs fit?
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Dear Bobby’s last reply,
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. A bird in the pants is just painful!
Ow! Ow! Keep your beak to yourself, you nasty pigeon!
Evolution is a religion in the same way that health is a disease. Or in the same way that genius may be considered a form of mental impairment.
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Yeah, um…Sean? Evolution is not a religion, otherwise we evolutionists would be going to church, singing hymns about and to evolution. Religion=faith. Evolution=science. And believing in something just because something tells you it is so (like the Bible) is like jumping of off a cliff because someone told you there was a giant soft, cushy bed at the bottom. Science involves research, facts, theories, and (dare I say it?) INTELLIGENCE! So…unfounded blind faith, or hard logic, science, and intelligence? I dunno! Also, if you are looking for TRUTH, I suggest the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster by our much loved prophet, Bobby Henderson. ‘Tis true. Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh. Um. I’ll go.
P.S.-Sean, please stop being an idiot.
Love,
Emma
RAmen
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I am not impressed with the “scientific†evidence given regarding the evolution of the eye… sounds like philosophical smoke and mirrors to me .
Yes and the Milton you quote is soooo scietific.
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“I am not impressed with the “scientific†evidence given regarding the evolution of the eye… sounds like philosophical smoke and mirrors to me .
Yes and the Milton you quote is soooo scietific. ”
Dear Shawn,
You’ve read how many books on the subject?
I’m going to take a wild guess on and say none. It seems to me that it’s very possible indeed that you’ve only read one book, the Bible which is the flimsy work of fiction ever born of man.
For you to cite solid scientific deduction and make shame of it whilst hiding behind your ignorant beliefs is really badly hypocritical.
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Dumbass Liberal suggests that the complexity of the eye is evidence of intelligent design. Could he explain therefore why the mamallian eye is the wrong way round?
In many invertebrates (for example the common mollusc)the nerves to the photoreceptor cells are behind them, leaving no gat and maximum visal accuity (moluscs can’t see 20/20 because they lack the brain to interpret the signal).
In mamallian eyes, the retina is inside out. The nerve fibres that carry the signals from the cones and rods (the photoreceptors) lie on top of them. In orger to reach the brain, they have to pass through a large hole in the retina to get to the brain. This creates the “blind spot”.
A designer who designed such a duff design can’t be that intelligent. However, if we go with evolution, and look at the evolutionary record, we see that mamallian photoreceptors evolved from brain tissue, then the wiring makes sense as it came from inside. We can also suggest why evolution hasn’t solve the “inside out” problem. To do so, many generations of “intermediates” would be blind whilst the nerves and photoreceptors swapped round – hardly an evolutionary advantage.
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“Science and religion are but two boats floating under the same bridge steering away from eachother, it is depressing that they can not work together.” ~Unknown
Science is viewed in certain fields as a religion, and in fact it is followed as a religion, the only thing is that it isn’t really an organized religion if you will, it has no creed, church, or any one text to follow. I do not follow science a religion, rather science all to often makes much more logical sense than any religion, and quite frankly the only religions that have ever sparked my interest is Buddhism and Taoism.
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Whereas faith is taught, science is learned. The mere word “faith” attests to devotion to a certain belief system with no substantive support. The Bible is a set of pages written, edited and collected by men.
FAITH is a dish served cold to the unthinking, tasteless masses without sauce or parmesan cheese.
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Dumbass Liberal! Go to book of Ezekiel and you you will find that it is stated that Jerusalem is at the center of earth. This can ONLY mean that earth is flat. So it definately seems to me that anyone that claims that earth is not flat will burn in hell. Or do you just have to burn in hell if you disregard certain parts of the bible? Which parts can you disregard and is it the lord who tells us what junk in the book not to pay any attention to and what parts we have to follow not to end up in hell? Or is it up to anyone to make this judgement?
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I love you American people.
My poor european mind cannot grasp if all this hate mail is a fake or not. Do such people really REALLY exist ?
But I love the concept of the FSM.
I want to believe. I want to become a pirate !
And the plank for all the unbelievers ! (if taht expression exists in english)
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Its not just an American thing. They do exist in Europe as well! And Im not just speaking about the Vatican here.
But I agree that when reding the hate mail one wonders if a bunch of it isnt fake.
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