While one may correctly say that evolution is a fraud, that is not to say that that same person “believes in†Creation as it is literally set forth in Genesis.
The answer is: We don’t know where we came from. Let’s find out.
Evolution is as much, if not more, of an irrational religion than what any Creationist spouts.
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I agree with the whole premise of the FSM movement, that of rebelling against outdated manuscripts that control are deeply mixed into our society. But aren’t we overstepping our boundaries by questioning theories like creationism. But shouldn’t we want to just have all of the theories out there for individuals to decide upon what is best for them and not go into a mob effect where we ostracize and criticize others with different views and go into what i consider a threatening tone to try to convert others to our own belief system. Follow what you want, and keep that your own buisness, and leave other people ideas to themselves.
In RAmen we trust
ps. If this makes no sense or is just sounds really stupid to other people sorry it is 3:11 am right now
I have stated this many times before, but for your benefit, I will do so again. Creationism requires supernatural explanations, so you would have to redefine science to include them. Chemistry becomes alchemy, astronomy becomes astrology eg. Therefore, according to the U.S. Federal Court, creationism is not science and teaching it in a science classroom would be illegal. Discussion in a current issues class or the like would be no problem.
RAmen
Peeden,
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You wrote, “… aren’t we overstepping our boundaries by questioning theories like creationism?”
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Why? What makes creationism, aka religion, so special that it is above criticism and examination?
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OEJ
-Peeden,of course we are not overstepping our boundaries by questioning theories like creationism,if you never ask questions you never get answers,and you will never learn anything.We would still be way back in the perhistoric times if somebody didn’t say’what will happen if I stick a round rock under my cart?’ or ‘what will happen if I leave Spain and see how far I can get befor I fall off the edge of the world?’ If anybody or any organization tells you that you are overstepping your boundries by questioning them,then their is probably a lot that needs to be questioned there.
I have just read through some of the poor dokta’s posts on the “evolution is a fraud”
thread. I took particular interest in the presentexd creationist “agument” in terms of the evolutionary, biochemical and molecular biological evidence. If this is indicative of the YECs formal presentation, than they are weaving their own noose. All the post contained was a misrepresentation of current evidence (strawman?) and a theological argument (the “ark”) against this misrepresentation. The YECs are either totally ignorant of current evidence, or knowingly bastardise it to try and argue their case for god. (comes accross to me as the latter!)
Either way it is most dishonest. I get the image of a used car salemen trying to sell a lemon simply by trying to discredit any opposition with absolute slander.
RAmen
ok this is the “evolution is a fraud” thread. Been out of the loop for a few days!
RAmen.
Evolution is a religion now? OMFSM! Forget Global Warming, we must discover the truth before we melt!
Of COURSE evolution is a fraud! The guy who came UP with it said it was wrong!!!
@ Prosper
umm… what?
@Prosper
“The guy who came UP with it said it was wrong!!!”
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Please explain Prosper!
Or to echo El Peatieablo’s comment “umm… what?” ?!?!???
Prosper.
in case you haven’t realised, theory of evolution was created by Charles Darwin. Evolution is also known as Darwinism, he wouldn’t have named it after himself if he knew it was wrong … tosspot.
Why the heck are you lot arguing? I am the daughter of a Christian and an atheist. As such I was brought up with Christianity but I also knew there were other ideas that I could choose to follow. I have decided to be Christian myself, as many no doubt choose not to.
Please don’t stone me with hateful words, to do so destroys any credibility of your argument :-)
I do not believe in evolution theory (Darwinism) as I suspect it could be “the mirror that has been pulled over the world to deceive us from the truth” and I agree with others who say that neither theory, Creationism or Evolution are definitive facts of the universe, it is probably a bit of a mixture of both somehow, and numerous other theories that haven’t even been imagined yet.
I do not believe in Christianity without questioning it.
The central idea that compels me to believe in Christianity is the simple fact that God is love. Everyone knows that love exists and is true, even though science has difficulty measuring it without describing it in very cold and unromantic terms, or even proving it’s existence :-)
Whatever love is, it is a mystery to both science and faith, yet it endures beyond both, and if that is what God is, I can easily imagine that It exists beyond the parameters of what we can perceive of this world.
Also, much of science derives from Christian scholars, most scientists historically are Christian, so therefore you cannot ridicule Christians, because you would be ridiculing most of the intelligent people who have proved many things we now know as fact.
Personally I cannot believe in the Big Bang theory, because I cannot conceive of there once having been Nothing. The concept of Nothing scares me, and also that when we die we disappear into oblivion scares the shite out of me, so I tend to err towards a vague belief that the universe is cyclical; it has always been and is eternal. It can be explained in religious/scientific terms by “there will always be a spring” meaning that even after everything has died and there seems to be no life and no hope, everything starts again. This is based in faith and is also proved by science, as we all know that after winter there is spring :-)
That is supposing the universe is real. There are many who believe it isn’t, see the film The Matrix for example, which is based on Gnosticism. This is where the idea comes from that what we perceive of the world is not real. In which case all scientific “fact” has been created to deceive you into believing that God doesn’t exist. Or perhaps religion is wrong - which path should we blooming follow? Well Christians believe that it is bad to not believe in God (Who, as I have explained, is love) and to emphasise how bad it is, we imagine the most crap place ever, ie Hell. That is how bad your life is when you do not believe in love!! Would you agree with that?
Also, a belief is merely a theory that hasn’t been proved. No proven fact would exist if no one had theorised about it, which is what people of faith spend much of their time in prayer doing, we are pondering the bigger questions of why we blooming well exist on this planet, and science is one method of trying to make any sense of the world, religion or faith is another, whose to say that one day science will prove the existence of God?
As for the Flying Spaghetti Monster, how funny! I don’t get those Christians who can’t laugh at it, they’re probably the same ones who got offended at Andre Serrano’s “Piss Christ” piece of artwork :-)
Any attempted attack on Christianity only galvanises it. To mock it is to show yourself up for what you truly are, a person full of hate and contempt, something that Christianity has evolved people to live without ;-)
Atheists are always welcome in churches, yet it seems that Christians on here are treated the way they were in the days of the Romans. It doesn’t make Atheists seem like a particularly nice bunch, which isn’t true, cos my Dad is one and he’s great! :-)
Peace
Grr…site just ate my (longish..) post!! Will try in two parts
@Blackbird
“I do not believe in evolution theory (Darwinism) as I suspect it could be “the mirror that has been pulled over the world to deceive us from the truth”
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Oh dear…
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“Also, much of science derives from Christian scholars, most scientists historically are Christian, so therefore you cannot ridicule Christians, because you would be ridiculing most of the intelligent people who have proved many things we now know as fact.”
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Oh dear…
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“Any attempted attack on Christianity only galvanises it.”
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I think you might find that the first instance of attack has been the constant attack from Cristianity against rational thinking, those who don’t hold the same beliefs and science! (first quote from your post)
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“To mock it is to show yourself up for what you truly are, a person full of hate and contempt, something that Christianity has evolved people to live without ;-)”
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You think? You really believe that?
K then :) Part two..
@Blackbird
“Also, a belief is merely a theory that hasn’t been proved.”
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Sorry, but your definition of a theory isn’t the same as that pertaining to a scientific theory, which has a very specific meaning.
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“That is supposing the universe is real. There are many who believe it isn’t, see the film The Matrix for example, which is based on Gnosticism.”
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May I suggest you purchase a metal sieve? Mind rays…humanoid lizards you know…can’t be too careful. :)
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“something that Christianity has evolved people to live without ;-)”
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IDist then?
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Welcome Blackbird :))
May you feel the touch of His Noodley Appendage
RAmen
@Blackbird Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:26 am
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Please continue browsing this site: you definitely need some more (no, a LOT more) insight in the Pastafarian spirit. Mark, it’s not unusual to see newcomers interpret our discussions as hateful bashing of religious people, especially when those post stuff that just ASKS for some flaming…
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Reading Pastafarian posting also can teach someone to write coherent posts: there are some mighty clear thinking (and writing) Wenches and Pirates here. You also might need some time to grasp why we call our highly esteemed lady Pirates “Wenches”.
Good luck and RAmen!
@ Blackbird
God is love, eh. May i just ask you, of god is supposed to be all powerful, and beyond comprehension, how come we then have some of his pwers?
But if god actually IS love, then that means WE create him, without people, love doesn’t exist.
Christian scholars and scientists. True, they were. but look at some cases, one being Galileo, the man who put forward that the earth was round. This new revelation had this religious man branded a heretic by the church. i can tell christianity loves their scientists alot. Not to mention, THE most intelligent people? that would be Steven Hawkins, an atheist, and one of the men who originated the Big Bang theory.
You said that the big bang theory began with nothing, you poor misguided child. The Big Bang theory started with EVERYTHING, in a singularity, for you that would be a ‘black hole’. Makes much more sense than god pulling matter out of nowhere.
Also, you speak of our perceptions of the universe being wrong, and we are clouded. That right there is a scientological belief, which is the single most dangerous cult on earth.
“a person full of hate and contempt, something that Christianity has evolved people to live without”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! wait, sorry… no i was right …. HAHAHAHA!
Christians here are not fed to the lions. However, in a figurative sense i suppose so. you see, the thing is, for every argument a xian puts forward, we completely and utterly devour it. It is a one sided battle, but it’s not really our fault that we use logic and xians generally don’t.
May you be touched by His noodly appendage.
RAmen!
Blackbird - evolution is not there to explain the universe and its creation, it is a theory explaining how the species that are on this planet today have come to be, taking into account all the countless other species who have lived and died in the few hundred million years of this planets life. if you are looking for a creation story, evolution is not it, it is an explanation of the development of living things on planet earth. whether or not you believe a higher power created it is a separate issue. so yes arguing about it is pointless, especially when people decide to totally ignore overwhelming evidence because……. well because it doesn’t fit with their unfounded beliefs. i personally have found a religion which does not fiddle with the facts (or anything else for that matter) and my undying faith and learned scientific knowledge can live peacefully side by side.
also, FSD is not an attack on Christians, it is not a joke, it is a serious religion with just as much evidence for its validity as yours. I have faith in our lord the spaghetti monster, one day maybe you too will be touched by his divine noodly appendage, as i have been.
Yo,
if “creationism” is true, I have proof Satan wrote the bible.
I’ll explain, there where no humans in the first days of creation, which means no one has seen it, and especially no one capable of writing it down, which means no one knows this happens, the only way it could have appeared in the bible is if god sent it down to the person writing it down
this is remote writing, remote writing is the occult, god doesn’t do “the occult”, satan does
satan sent it down, satan wrote the bible
@Commodore Angryy
Nice post, but Galileo didn’t propose that the Earth was round; that was already known. He gave evidence to the heliocentric model of the universe, without saying it was just an idea that was wrong (as Copernicus had done).
@Blackbird
Your post was polite enough; I just wish you would think about what you are typing.