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Umm I didn’t apologize for any belief I hold except that the poor doctor was a little twit. Max Gobs was right pointing out that good debate, not name calling is what we want.
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Just wanted to clear up the fact that I did NOT apologize for believing in FSM!! Or argueing with him about science V.S. religion. Just the name calling..
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May you all be blessed with much Pasta!!
ButtJester
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I’ve seen most of that crap before. It’s the same tired old rhetoric that has been spewed about since before Darwin. Not much of a challenge really. YEC is easier to dismantle than ID. Still haven’t gotten around to the morality argument. I’ll do that after I take a break.
RAmen
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p.s. Appologizing is just what he wants you to do. Don’t second guess yourself. No one passes judgment here except our great prophet bobby himself.
Mad John Kidd
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Your right, I certainly will not second guess myself, or my beliefs. But I will try to remain civil even if they cannot. I’m just saying that while they rant and rave and tell me to go to hell and call me names, I will do my best to remain level headed and argue the points without resorting to name calling. Let them call me names and “ostracize” me. I will give them noodles in return :)
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Simply ironic how Jesus was supposed to save everyone. Most of his followers wish not to save us, but to kill us and send us straight to hell. Utterly astounding logic. Or lack thereof.
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let’s not get back into the God/Jesus is evil debate. it’s already exhausted itself. if the good doctor is right, if thousands of scientists have been wrong and if the god of the bible truly does exist, then the implications are horrible. it means that countless billions of people have been doomed to eternal torture for not belieiving in something which could never be proven. it means that billions have died simply because god becomes petulant. it means we all exist at the whim of a tyrant who makes the most evil of human beings look positively saintly by comparison.
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and the theists accuse us of having a bleak existence.
“let’s not get back into the God/Jesus is evil debate.”
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No offence meant here. But I think I’ll go back to lurking for a while. I wasn’t going to start a debate. And it’s getting a little old being told.
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“don’t be a prick”.
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“don’t second guess yourself”
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“don’t start debate X again”.
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Sheesh whatever.
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All I can say is, kinda sounds familar. I know I’m not intending to single out any 1 person. Merely tired of feeling like I’m bouncing of one wall only to hit another.
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See you guys.
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Pasta to all!!
sorry. you can tell some of us are getting jaded when we feel like every debate has already happened - though with 99% of the hate mailers here, there’s really no debate at all.
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what the hell, tell the world how evil the bible is if you want to. scream from the rooftops what a collection of utter monstrosities and perversions that book truly is. you have my utmost support.
It’s ok, I’m sorry too. I am a bit stressed lately.
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I really didn’t mean to take it out on you, or anyone else here.
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And I can certainly see how anyone could get tired of the same debates over and over. But I suspect that nearly all possible debates over this subject have played out many many times. And we are just rehashing them over and over.
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Anyway I’ll let you guys have at it. I’ll watch for a bit from the sideline. Maybe at some point I’ll join in again. But I think for now maybe a break is in order.
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May you all be blessed with much Pasta!!
So, what are the odds that Martin will actually come back? I hope he does; it’s rare that we find an opponent here that can properly string together a sentence.
Great Acharya S writings :)…..please oh please.
How about some serious scholarship. You realize that no serious Josephan scholar doubts the quote, right?
Wow….so the YECS movement is Asenine…but yet, no reason given….it just is, right? Lets not be open to actually seeing what it has to say.
Tell me, oh well-read one, why we are not. (Because your explanation is not adequate, and its self defeating and false)…Please Doc. You don’t have to prove that we are not the sum of our biology because my explanation is not adequate, self-defeating and false? This is school yard pansy talk! I said we are the sum of our chemistry and biology( we are what we are because of our brains…which preceed MIND, can’t have mind without brain…). You said C.S Lewis says we are not, which I think means you say we are not. I said prove it, you said you don’t have to because my argument was somehow invalid. CHICKEN!! BAWK BAWWWK. Give me the one bit of evidence that says we are more than the sum of our parts. I can hold the universe in my mind. I can travel to places I’ve never been, and consider your god is my own. It is called imagination. Imagine that there is no god. Imagine that evolution is real. Can you? You claim debating ideas is your forte. Drop the double-speak and talk about imagination.
This is not hard to refute. Simple.
If my brain is a product of biochemical responses, then I have no reason to trust that they are a product of biochemical responses, and neither would you. Thats the point. Therefore, it is rightly concluded that its false.
I have no reason to trust my thoughts if they are just random biochemical responses. Erego, don’t trust your thoughts. But we’d have to trust the thought that says not to trust our thoughts. Erego, its true that our thoughts are not biochemical responses because its inadequate to say that we can trust anything if they are biochemical responses, including the idea that they are biochemical resopnses in the first place.
Are you saying that we can’t trust abstract concepts like thought? If so, we also cannot trust the intangible entity that is God.
Maybe this quack inherited two allelic copies of the “Belief Gene”, as well as an oversized ego?
An overinflated ego the size of the Hindenburg. It crashed and burned as well.
RAmen Mad John. I’m thinking he might be one of BLR’s room mates.
RAmen Mad John.
Still haven’t read most of the BS yet. Did he proove that the Flying spaghetti monster is not the son of god or jeezus? I hear there’s a bit of money in doing that.
The YECs are getting a little desperate, to be coming to Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster Church, trying to sell us their inane crap aren’t they.
RAmen.
The sad part, I think he’s actually looking for the FSM Discussion Forum. They have full on serious debates and everthing; with language restrictions and troll filters. He would be more at home over there. Then again, maybe not. They talk real science. He seems to be totally addicted to spamming us ignorant heathens.
Have you been there, Nikkiee?
Oh, excuse me I didn’t mean to insult the heathens. I meant us smug crack-smoking left-wing asscowns who build strawmen.
And no herr doktor didn’t proven much of anything other than
1) he can cut-and-paste
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2) he’s an arrogant troll
Michael Martin,
In order to obtain a PhD and earn the title of Dr. you must demonstrate that you can construct a coherent argument. You clearly can’t as you struggle to construct single words. Perhaps you are an MD but I doubt that too. You have made several large and unsubstantiated claims of your prior experience including that you have proved that Darwin stole the idea of evolution by natural selection from Edward Blythe, that you worked in cancer research at the NIH and that you have studied 50 different religions and philosophies. Something must have gone wrong with the biochemical processes in you brain resulting in pseudologia fantastica (pathological lying). Ergo (it is not erego), you should not trust your thoughts and nor should anyone else.