I wouldn’t want to be you when you stand before God

I wouldn’t want to be you when you stand before God.

If you are right, and evolution is the only answer, then we will all just be dirt-food when we die. But if you are wrong, and the intelligent design people are right and there is a God, then you’ll be in a tough spot.

By the way, did you ever read what the Kansas School Board had proposed? It doesn’t sound like it from your letter.

California Boy

430 Responses to “I wouldn’t want to be you when you stand before God”


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  1. 381 Davey Oct 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 am

    O.. M.. FSM…
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    Well, at least I understand what makes RkticFox tick, now… hymns in four-part harmony and family prayers *whilst on vacation*, ffs?????
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    And he listens to Kenny G - ’nuff said.

  2. 382 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 5:06 am

    Excellent research skillz, The Aussie! Well done, that pirate.
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    Aw, bless him. I don’t think I could, in good conscience, sail a trojan galleon full of explosive Pastafarians into RkticFox’s own page. He’s only 16, bless his little cotton landlubber socks. Give him a couple of years - ’till he can handle his own cutlass, at least.
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    On the other hand, I think I’ll be taking a look at that homeschooldebate page. Might be a perfect spot for some booty plundering…

  3. 383 faghettini Oct 22nd, 2006 at 5:09 am

    Thats you guys. Its all in The Plan.

    http://www.bloggerheads.com/images/god_larson.jpg

  4. 384 The Aussie Oct 22nd, 2006 at 5:26 am

    Classic

  5. 385 nikkiee Oct 22nd, 2006 at 5:40 am

    @J I agree J. Save it for the ones old enough to know better. Bet most of their sites are strictly moderated.
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    @ faghettini Thats a good one. :)
    RAmen

  6. 386 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 6:41 am

    Faghettini - nice one. But don’t you mean ‘It’s all in The Pan’?

  7. 387 Julien Oct 22nd, 2006 at 7:32 am

    I think your website is kick-ass -. I’m 12 years old and I will tell my science teacher to consider this alternative teaching in West Palm Beach, Fl where I attend school… All hail the FSM!

  8. 388 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 7:45 am

    I spoke too soon in calling the ICR site hilarious. It’s deeply, offensively, morally abhorrent. It gets worse with every page I read. And there’s no obvious discussion forum for each of these horrendous articles.
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    Not laughing anymore.

  9. 389 gill Oct 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 am

    morally abhorrent? Let me guess, they’re not being nice to people who don’t pray to Jesus every day?

  10. 390 Davey Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:05 am

    There’s far more disturbing stuff than that around…
    http://www.answersingenesis.org lists “events” around the UK (that’s HERE, where I live, not off in whacko-land, ffsms!), which are basically creationist wingnuts preaching wingnuttery at the faithful at various community centers and churches.
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    I’m up for protesting this when it comes to my town (Coventry, Nov 19th) and a few others around the midlands - anyone wanna form a raiding party, m’hearties?
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    I’m thinking pirate costumes, FSM flyers and cries of “Blasphemy! Arrghh!!!” whenever ID is mentioned.
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    Either that, or big, BIG placards in big, BIG letters: “TEACHING INTELLIGENT DESIGN = CHILD ABUSE”
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    Either way, the local press’d love it, and it’d raise the debate… contact me via m’website if interested.

  11. 391 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:10 am

    Davey, I will see whether I can fit a trip to Coventry into my mid-November schedule. After all this time arguing via keyboard, it’d be nice to get out and savage some child abusers in person.

  12. 392 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:13 am

    @ Gill,
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    ‘morally abhorrent? Let me guess, they’re not being nice to people who don’t pray to Jesus every day?’
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    Fair guess! What really irks me, though, is the way they polarize the argument, so it’s between accepting the Truth of Our Saviour Jesus Christ, or collapsing into some dark pit of sin and depression with no moral foundation, no value to life and no reason for being, in which maniacs shoot schoolkids and teenagers hang themselves in despair.
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    Encouraging people to see their options in those terms is completely immoral and, in my opinion, actually evil.

  13. 393 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 am

    Davey, again,
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    The grand Godist tour of the UK seems a bit afeared of the North. The closest they come to me is Congleton next March. They drop in to Birmingham and environs several times over the coming months, however. Oxford is also on the list (5th March) - I wonder if Richard Dawkins is back from the US then? Perhaps we could persuade him to don an eyepatch for a night…?

  14. 394 Davey Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:30 am

    Well, I can offer all righteous pirates a billet fer the night, and a sup o’ the grog cask. Form a disorderly rabble just here, please.

  15. 395 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:45 am

    Oh my, oh my, oh my. I am listening to the samples of Carl Denby, one of the men doing the speaking on this Answers in Genesis tour (not at Coventry, though). He recounts how one time, when he was a young Christian, someone who had read Ken Ham’s book ‘The Lie: Evolution’ pointed out to him many examples of how evolutionary theory and the Bible cannot be made to agree with each other.
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    So far, so good. What’s amazing is that Ken Ham, Carl Denby and friends all therefore throw out evolution in order to concentrate instead on the ‘historical’ document that is the Bible.
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    If I go to one of these talks, I’m going to end up burning something down.
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    Now they’re explaining that evolution isn’t ‘real’ science. Sorry, not explaining - just stating.
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    Where do these flunatics come from?

  16. 396 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:46 am

    (Not sure what a ‘flunatic’ actually is, by the way. Perhaps like a lunatic, but more highly contagious, preying on the weak and responsible for millions of deaths?)

  17. 397 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 11:53 am

    Ken Ham’s convincing and responsible education technique (quoted at Wikipedia):
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    “Boys and girls,” Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, “you put your hand up and you say, ‘Excuse me, were you there?’ Can you remember that?” The children roared their assent. “Sometimes people will answer, ‘No, but you weren’t there either,’ ” Ham told them. “Then you say, ‘No, I wasn’t, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.’ ” He waved his Bible in the air. “Who’s the only one who’s always been there?” Ham asked. “God!” the boys and girls shouted. “Who’s the only one who knows everything?” “God!” “So who should you always trust, God or the scientists?” The children answered with a thundering: “God!”
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    This is all so terrifying.

  18. 398 NowtheworldhasMeaning Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:00 pm

    Oh Shit J, that scares the crap out of me.
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    The one advantage of that is the fact that none of those children will be going to are top universities to study Biology so in effect only people who whole heartedly agree with evolution will be studying and making advances in this area.
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    If things like this carry on though they will be contesting other theories soon.

  19. 399 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:11 pm

    NTWHM and all,
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    The theories should be safe enough - no amount of rabid half-brained rantage is going to knock the down in scientific terms.
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    But the scientists don’t run the country, the scientists aren’t the people you bump into on the street. The more this kind of debasement of understanding goes on, the more wrong-headed, misguided and closed-minded the population. And in a democracy, popular opinion means prizes…
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    …and so we find outselves in a situation in which IDers can slip their bullshit into schools whilst our governments find ways to protect those who act out their lives on foundless, archaic laws from hearing the scorn those ‘laws’ deserve.
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    Damn straight this is scary. I will not be stepping outside without my cutlass.

  20. 400 J Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm

    By the way, I have just bought Ken Ham’s (apparently life-changing) book ‘The Lie: Evolution’ from Amazon (alongside three of Dawkins’ earlier books to make myself feel clean again). When it arrives, I will be going through it with the care it deserves (which may turn out to be a shredder). If any parts of it prove especially quote worthy, I may share them. I’d quite like to feel well practiced in gutting this text before doing so in front of Ken’s disciples.

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