but i think it as gotten way out of hand when you sale a book and other stuff
but nice to see that you can make money off of anything
just think of the pet rock, some one made a lot of money off of that too and it was just as dumn
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i just farted (safty)
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Forgive me for leaving two of the same comments my the FSM have mercy on me
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I can see that people need religion & stuff, but I think it has gotten way out of hand when the bible is the most circulated book and other related trinkets sell in the billions.
‘but that just shows that you can make money off of anything.
Just think of alternative medicine; people have always made a lot of money off of it and it is almost as dumb.
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Well. to start WHAT THE FUCK WAS UP WITH YOUR ‘CREATIVE’ SPELLING! Evidently you have not been touched by His Noodliness’s Noodly Appendage, unlike those of us wise enough to see the truth and bow down before his Noodliness. No Beer Volcanoes and Stripper Factory for you.
RAmen.
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OH MY FSM!!!! A Butt Pirate!
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about as dumn as the beleafes that speling is gotten out of hand…
someone eles must have been crazy as u to say that peeple use got speling.
yeah ur gay….
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Here’s “food” for thought…..
Malachi 4:1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud….. hmmm… an oven?
My mom makes this great BAKED spaghetti.. PRAISE THE LORD… Vengeance is mine!!!!
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Ever heard of spell check?
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LMAO! Well, this is my first post (and first time on this website) and I thought replying to this ijit.
Nathanial, stay in school (public) or get out of school (christian). If your spelling is naturaly that bad, then you will have a hard time in life.
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Brothers we must be tolerant with this heathen, his stommach has not yet been touched by His Noodly Appendage and he is not able to see the shining lights of the holy meat ball glowing in the sky. Ramen
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Well, this is kind of sad.
There’s a famous joke: the Devil is walking along a road with one of his minions, when they see a man up ahead. As they watch, the man bends down and picks something up. “What did that man pick up?” asks the minion. “Oh, just a little religion,” says the Devil. “Well isn’t that a problem? Shouldn’t you do something?” asks the minion. “No,” says the Devil, “I’ll just let him organize it.”
When I first heard about this religion, I was so excited that I straight-away bought a car sticker for myself and one for a friend. I’ve been telling everyone about it. But now I read this post (the first one I’ve read on this site). And yes, there are some funny bits, and yes, the poor guy desperately needs a spell check.
But really, many of you are acting just as elitist and self-righteous towards this poor person as any born-again I’ve ever met. You’re right, he’s wrong, and you’re just going to rub it in until he bleeds. Is it worth it? Do you feel better about yourselves now?
Here are the first 3 I’d Really Rather You Didn’ts (taken from Wikipedia). How many of them can you find in this thread? How many of them have you committed yourself?
1. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Act Like a Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don’t Believe In Me, That’s Okay. Really, I’m Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn’t About Them So Don’t Change The Subject.
2. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don’t Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
3. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk [or SPELL], Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This In Your Thick Heads: Woman = Person. Man = Person. Samey – Samey. One Is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We’re Talking About Fashion And I’m Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal and Fuchsia.
I like the whole RAmen bit, though. That’s fuckin’ funny.
- The Pointless One
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If you wanna read a harsh post, read the “I just saw your fucking website” thread!
About the spelling. This has been a constant theme with the postings, of obviously funsamentalist christians, to this site. I believe the reason is that religous indoctrination of these kids/people takes up a lot of their time. Obviously everything else, for example basic education in the three Rs, is probably considered secondary to this religous instruction by their mentors. I don’t think most of us are trying to be elitest. Far from it.
But a lot of the fundi posts are just regurgatation of religous right brainwashing. Maybe some of us react pretty strongly to that. Most appear to try to do with humor though.
RAmen
ps Besides they came here and started picking on us first.
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See even we make spelling mistakes.
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That does seem to be the present dilemma. Try and be above the name calling and offer a non-patronizing argument or take it down to the nuff nuffs level.
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From Salon; “surprisingly, some intelligent design advocates have actually welcomed Dawkins’ attacks. William Dembski, for instance, says his inflammatory rhetoric helps the I.D. cause by making evolution sound un-Christian.”
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They will spin anything they can to “demonize” evolution.
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If you mean “fundi” I use it as abreviation. Typing fundamentalist or ism all the time is a pain in the fingers. I suppose I could asterisk all the time. lol
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Do you honestly think that this is going to make everyone suddenly go, “Oh no! I’ve taken this way too far. Let’s start a petition to get that wasteful book off the shelves!We can replace it with copies of… oh I don’t know… The Bible?”
No. It’s not. It’s just going to make people collapse with laughter at your wholesale abuse of the English language.
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I would LOVE to see the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster removed from bookstores and replaced with the Bible… Barnes and Noble sell the Gospel in the Humor section. Seems like a good place for the Bible.
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RAmen.
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It is my job to patronize people who misuse the English language… although, I am grateful to them as well. If it weren’t for them, there would be no copy-editing jobs for me. Ironic how I’m indebted to the people I loathe the most for providing me with a high-paying career that fulfills my paper-correcting addiction….
HOWEVER… when someone writes a nasty letter they deserve to be ridiculed for their illiteracy. Consider it karmic.
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To be fair Starbuckaneer, Nathaniel’s letter was hardly nasty. And he’s such an easy target. And you seem to reserve your condescension for illiterate letters which are anti-FSM, ignoring the vitriolic illiteracy of many of our fellow Pastafarians. Besides, he probably hasn’t even read the responses.
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Nathanial Reed
I can see it was a good giggle a few thousand years ago but don’t you think all this Christianity has go a little out of hand, I mean there is a lot of people selling books and other Jesus tack, making lots of money.
It is also responsible for for several very unstable leaders in powerful positions (I never said Bush if you reach that conclusion yourselves that arn’t my problem).
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I absolutely ignore the spelling errors and functional mistakes of my fellow Pastafarians! But this is because we are mostly writing casual “chat-style” responses. Formal letters, especially those meant to insult people, should always be written using the best technique possible. I know nothign about math and science, and I don’t try to pretend otherwise. However, if I needed to use, say, long division to prove a point or to insult someone, I would look over it first. He just gives us more reasons to make fun, and that’s not fair to him, and he should know that. Besides, I could just say “Hey, dude, you’re a moron!” but it’s more fun to point out exactly WHY… I think people should have it clearly spelled out to them (ha! English humor) exactly WHY they’re dumb. You may have noticed, however, that at first I was so appalled by the illiteracy demonstrated in EVERY piece of hate-mail.. and that now I’ve come to accept it, and I have moved past condescension and on, instead, to everyone’s favorites: cynicism and sarcasm. These are much more entertaining.
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Indeed they are. Ispeshully sarcasm.
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I feel that a lot (not all) of the preachy and “burn in hell” letters have been written by the young-ish (adolescent?). I think their illiteracy is a result of preachers considering the indroctrination of “biblical principles’ (is that term an oxymoron or just moronic?) more important than teaching them to read and write. Besides if they are taught basic literacy skills, it may not be good thing for their masters. I mean come on, next thing these kids will be wanting to place their own interpretations on the bible, will be able to read other points of view correctly and will be wanting free will/thought ect. The congregation numbers keep the money rolling in. We can’t have them straying.
RAmen
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re We can’t have them straying.
Not that it is likely as they have all been terrified about going to hell. Personally, I call that child abuse.
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There’s currently a debate here in the UK about faith-based schools (an oxymoron if there ever was one). Freedom of religion and religious expression is enshrined in human rights; why can’t freedom from religious indoctrination be similarly respected? I dream of a day when it will be a criminal offense to force-feed children in this way – it’s such a harmful thing to do. Of course, the “major” religions will resist, kicking and screaming all the way – they’d be extinct within a couple of generations if we could get their hands off the youngsters, after all.
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Mind you, I dream a lot of things, and I take great comfort in the knowledge that the dream involving myself, the Minogue sisters and a couple of buckets of warm custard is statistically more likely to come true than the one mentioned above. And if nothing else, there’s those Stripper Factories to look forward to…
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RAmen to that!
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Well said Davey. RAmen. I’m in Oz and in the past few years the zealot infomercials have taken over the TV channels on Sunday mornings, when I suppose a lot of kids are watching while mum and dad catch up on sleep ( now they would be a rarity). I say bring back the cartoons and let them use their imagination for fantasy not fear. Mind you I haven’t actually had a telly for about a year now so I’m not sure what is current but if we are following the States along that path, as in many others, I shudder to think.
Again
RAmen
ps my dreams don’t involve the Minogue sisters but apparently there are male strippers in FSM heaven.
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The reason that we pastafarians need to sell merchandise to support our religon is that it is a PROTEST not a joke. We are protesting the teaching of ID in public school science classrooms not just trying to make people angry. If we don’t have anything to show people they probably won’t take us seriously.
The whole spelling thing is totally dead. How about everyone forgets the whole subject and debates using reason instead of arguing about whether it is OK to make fun of other peoples grammer.
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I completely agree with you, nikkiee
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Nikkiee (and I don’t mean to single you out, other than to respond to your post):
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The whole “they started it” argument is so tired. You can justify anything with that. They’ll argue FSM started it with the letter to the Kansas BOE. Of course that was a response to ID. of course that was a response to separation of Church and State. Of course that was a response to the oppression of the Church of England. Of course that was a response to the out of control territories of England before the Church. Of course that was a response to the unreasonable monarchy.
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And don’t even get me started on the wars in Iraq and Israel/Palestine.
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Who started it? Who cares? It’s about what you do now. The more you respond to these hate messages, the more you let them plug into you, the more power you give them. And the more you sink to their level, play tit for tat, the less you’ll attract other people to your cause. Which is REALLY what a protest should do.
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I like what pastawy said above. “If we don’t have anything to show people they probably won’t take us seriously.” He was talking about selling stuff, but the same is true for how you exchange ideas and promote FSMism. If people come here and all they see is a bunch of bickering and slamming of people, why should they take you seriously?
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Despite what you might think from the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition and the like, Christianity didn’t spread by blasting other religions. People dont respond well to that. They want a positive vision, and that’s what Christianity provided. Hope, and faith in something greater than themselves. If you want to beat them, you have to beat them on THAT level. Show them the value of questioning regurgitated dogma. You clearly have their attention. What do you want to do with it, really?
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You don’t have to shove someone down to make yourself look taller. Just stand up straight. Show everyone you’re above all of that. It’s what His Noodlieness would do.
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- The Pointless One
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It’s always funny when someone spells ‘dumb’ wrong.
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Oblio, I have read what you said in your post, and I will have to think about it a bit. Your suggestions seem wise, yet I do not yet know exactly Pastafarians can best respond to the challenges before us. I had an opportunity today, however, to represent the spirit of Pastafarianism in a discussion with a co-worker. I can only hope His Noodliness approved. The discussion was centered around Halloween vs. Christmas. The co-worker said she feels there is a double standard going on in our society because at Halloween, people are allowed to decorate our shared workspaces with images of what she referred to as “the Dark Side.” She felt that at Christmas, people are not allowed to display images relating specifically to Christianity. This led to a larger discourse about people of different faiths respecting each other’s beliefs, traditions, practices, etc. I can only hope that I was not offensive as I pointed out what it is like to live as a non-Christian when Christian ideals, beliefs, idols, and references are everywhere. I do have to say that I have been very sarcastic and quite nasty at times in posts on this website. I think one main reason why I was able to participate productively in the conversation at work is that I can come here to this site and unleash the part of me that wanted to tell my coworker to shove the rosary beads, hanging up over her desk, up her uptight ass. I guess the next phase of my personal evolution is to have meaningful discussions on this website with non-Pastafarians, and I am trying to do just that. I can’t be where I’m not at, I always say.
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I have to disagree with you Oblio. Believing in an angry and avenging god, who killed everyone in the world just because he was angry, and now damns almost everyone to hell because they don’t suck up to him enough, is hardly a positive message of hope. It’s a message of fear, hate, exclusion, and intolerance. I’m not the first person to note that Christians who are arrested for terrorizing, torturing, and murdering their children are really acting just like their god. I don’t believe you could look at any human activity that hasn’t been made much uglier by religion; especially by rigid and delusional fundamentalist religion.
I also disagree with your assessment of unbelievers. We DO provide a positive message: That of a world based on compassion and decency without superstition. Many unbelievers used to be believers but found a better, more hopeful, and more moral, way in unbelief. The humanist ideals of the 20th century are one of the finest achievements of our species, and they are almost antithetical to the ‘morality’ of religious fanaticism.
We have tried being positive, reasonable and polite, and it hasn’t worked for us. The fanatics sneak, and bully, and lie, and call US immoral, and try to pass laws against us. I say it’s time to be honest and call a retard a retard. Their beliefs don’t make sense and there’s no reason we should respect them. Their ‘morality’ is repulsive and there is no reason we should allow it to be forced on us.
And besides, lots of us put up with so much of their dumb crap in our day to day life that letting off a little steam is therapeutic.
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I find it funny that Oblio mentions the cause of ID being as a response against the seperation of church and state… In a country where the christian majority dictates foreign policy, it is an interesting observation.
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FCC,
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“I say it’s time to be honest and call a retard a retard.”
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Now *this* is my brand of unapologetic, right in-you-face atheism!
Unfortunately, in my country, we’ve got laws saying that we can’t rip the oh-so-well-deserved-piss out of people on the grounds of their beliefs. Bizarre, sad and true, apparently the “retards” need *legal protection* from attack by Mr. Bean (see http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,1698850,00.html).
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Anyway, I say cool. If it looks like an idiot, walks like an idiot, thinks like an idiot, talks like an idiot and believes like an idiot, it’s probably an idiot, a fundi, or member of the US or UK cabinets. If they’re so insecure that they have to resort to such transparent manipulation of the political process in order to “protect” themselves, it surely can’t be long before history consigns this nonsense to the dustbin.
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Thanks, FCC, you’re a constant inspiration.
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oblio,
Thank you for singling me out.
i) I really couldn’t give a flying…. what other peoples religion is. I say live and let live.
ii) I like history, but I think it may be irrelevent to teaching religion as science.
iii) I am not a part of FSM to have a religous debate
iv) The children are our future and every extremist “my God is the only one” seems to have no moral problems in using them to further their cause.
V) I refuse to be serious unless you want to debate with me about the “science” of Intelligent Design.
vi) “They” started it when they decided that teaching religion as science would give them a broarder power base.
vii) Could you be a bit more specific about …..everything.
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I’d like to point out that along with the obvious, you misspelled your name as well. teehee silly man.
pax
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OMG SaucyWench! She said ‘the Dark Side’? Like that crazy christian lady from ‘Trading Spaces’? How did you keep from laughing at her? What a retard! Jeeezus!
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Thanks Davey!
Are they really protected in the UK? You can’t call them retards? That’s sorta like admitting to being a retard isn’t it? ‘Don’t pick on the poor jeezus people, son. They can’t help it.’ But of course most of them CAN help it, and that’s what’s so annoying about them.
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Davey: I just read the article you attached. That’s outrageous! What I wonder is if you’re now not allowed to tell a preacher that he’s a retard, can you kick him if he won’t leave you alone? That would make it all ok.
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Nikkiee: You go girl!
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Yeah, she actually did say “the Dark Side”. She may have RDD (Religious Developmental Delay), but she’s no dummy. She’s really an ok person, though. It just goes to show you that anyone can fall victim to the teachings of zany religions. Go figure.
Nikkiee, I agree with you completely. I have been feeling a little bit sheepish lately, and it’s not half as much fun. I think I almost let them get to me. Close call! I’ve been pulled back from the brink of something awful. Thank his Noodliness. Can I be ascerbic and saucy again? Yes I can! They cannot squelch my inner wench! Yay!
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Hi, Davey,
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I remember that bill being passed.
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What’s worrying about it is the inclarity of how it is to be applied. No one seems to be entirely sure, or too willing to set down very clear guidelines.
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It is, basically, about inciting religious hatred, though. We should still be able to call a retard a retard. What we’re inciting is utter disrespect for religions, religious beliefs and irresponsible attitudes to religion. As hatred and violence are a couple of the things that make us worried enough to be doing this, we *should* – so long as we don’t get too caught up in the moment and lose sight of what we’re actually attacking – never fall foul of all this.
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I wonder if our fellow (closet) Pastafarian Richard Dawkins is in danger of these laws? If he can be so openly and aggressively (and correctly) anti-religious as he is, we should be okay.
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And if we were to be prosecuted for pursuing a perfectly reasonably agenda of atheistic objection, that would be one hell of a legal test case, wouldn’t it? It might be worth it just for the fuss.
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In the U.K there have been certain faith based schools which have tried to teach that in WWII god’s (notice the lack of a capital ‘g’; score one for disrespect) hand came down from the heavens and stopped Nazi ships on their way to Britian, instead of the version where we sent out FUCKING PLANES.
Things aren’t too peachy over here…
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Uomo, that’s outrageous. It frightens me that parents would a) believe such nonsense, and b) allow it to be taught to their children. Indeed, parents of the children at those faith-based schools probably sought out that type of education for their children. What do they teach about the Holocaust? Were the Germans supposedly possessed? WTF?
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I was in the Hamburg airport a couple of years ago, and this fat-assed southern US fundamentalist missionary on his way back from Africa started talking really loudly about how Hitler was doing god’s will. I was waiting for the riot to start. Retard!
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I’m so ashamed to be American sometimes. I’m not particularly fat-assed, and I’m not a southern fundamentalist missionary, so I guess I have that to be grateful for. I can’t find the words for how disgusted I am that anyone would say such a thing. I bet even his God is shaking his head about that one. What an evil buffoon.
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Yeah, it was pretty revolting. I’m not a ‘fat-assed, and I’m not a southern fundamentalist missionary’ either, but at that moment I was pretty ashamed to be an associated with him in any way. He was an extremely bad example of a human being and not much of a reflection on all of our people, so we shouldn’t own it too much.
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SaucyWench
…..I think I almost let them get to me……..
Yes blind faith is rather depressing isn’t.
RAmen
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Have you guys seen (or heard) of the movie called Jesus Camp? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6182248473879202794) It was just put out a short time ago. The movie kind of sucks, but I don’t doubt that it accurately represents some of what goes on. Its a crying shame that all Christians get grouped in with that lot.
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Blind faith can be good if the cause is good, it can be equally dangerous.
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lol, Hitler was probably the “Prophet” of Satan. He committed suicide when the Russians fought into Berlin so that we can all be cleansed of our sins.
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omfsm, God even stopped his ships from reaching Britain!
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Nah, not going to believe in that nonsense.
RAmen.
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