If I believe you are going to burn in hell for eternity if you fail to do something and I know what it is your supposed to do but don’t tell you what it is you need to do then I am a monster of the worst kind. Your problem is that you do not want to belive that you might go to hell because you know what the remedy is but you’re not prepared to take it. You’ve got it backwards. It is the Christians that know how to help you but don’t bother to because they just want to get along with everybody that you should be sickened by not those who are prepared to be mocked by you as long as they can help you make sure you get to heaven. It’s my job as a christian to lead people to Christ and I count it a blessing to be mocked in His name. Mock me all you want. I hope we can have a good laugh about it between singing songs of praise to the Lord God Almighy in heaven.
Peace.
Peace.
Steve
This movement is a really great idea that many do not understand. It really is a shame that humanity as a whole can’t step back and objectively look at itself and realize the sameness of us all. Regardless of your religious belief the true debate remains on whether we allow a untouchable, untestable, unprovable force act as our scientific explanation. OR we continue to use our five senses to collect and observe the natural world around us to look for explanation and repeatable process that accurately predict outcome. The debate over evolution is an attack on science as an industry. In my line of work if the scientific method is allowed to contain a loop hole of: “God wanted it to happen.”, “The FSM must have touched it with his noodley appendage.”, “Divine intervention”, I removes the repeatability and validity of my results. Though the previous statements would make my job easier and my line of work only partly affects humanity as a whole, this handicap given to areas like medical research and wildlife management could potentially cause a new generation stepping backward from the progress made in the last 500 years.
So while the debate rages of what god(s) to believe in, the role of mankind in the evolutionary process, and which religion is right, please stop and think on the this idea: How do you want your children, future scientist, and future engineers to use the scientific method? Using only observable evidence has allowed for the advancement of the computer you’re reading this on, the medicine when you’re sick, the car you drive, the soap you wash with, the clothes you wear and many other things.
I’m not stating that you should not have your deity in your mind, heart, soul. I’m saying that I want you to keep your deity out of my science.
Holy wars and intolerance are caused by the lack of communication between sides. The inability to place one’s self in the other person’s shoes. Names and hateful ideas further the division. I suggest if one wants to be taken seriously one should use words and actions of respect. Please keep this in mind when you post you opinions, it is easier to communicate when defenses are down.
Thank you for taking the time to read my post and remember FSM, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, etc. are not my concern; please just keep science scientific.
Thank you,
M.L.B.
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Well stated my friend!
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A big “Huzzah” for incoherent hatemail!
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Mock, and the door shall be opened….
RAmen
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Arrrgggg
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Have I arrived too late for the sing along?
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Beautiful, M.L.B.!
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“Your problem is that you do not want to belive that you might go to hell because you know what the remedy is but you’re not prepared to take it”
Hey Steve, the concern for our souls and not flaming us is a nice gesture. But here’s where I see an impasse.
You believe, as an act of faith, that there’s heaven, hell, the ethical Christians go to the former, the bad guys and non-believers roast in the latter.
While I believe, just as strongly that ethics, charity, kindness etc are to be held highly, but no one religion has a monopoly on God. So I am incapable of seeing your remedy as the only way.
Furthermore, the idea of a loving god casting people into eternal torment for the simple crime of not believing in him, seems very contradictory. Which leads me to two scenarios. 1. God’s loving, forgiving and all of that, or… 2. God casts unbelievers/the irreverent into eternal hellfire for not believing in him, which would be like me taking my dog to the pound because she stole my sandwich.
First scenario, I, and the rest of us kind-hearted heathens are fine. Second scenario, I’d rather not kiss up to an omnipotent petty jerk in which case I’ve made my choice.
So… since my own religion points to something similar to the first scenario, I have to decline your offer of singing songs of praise. My voice would make a deaf cat howl. But I would be happy to join you for a mango smoothie and nice plate of pasta, I-told-you-sos held back.
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This guy’s no fun. When’s Fatima coming back?
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I don’t get it. Why are people so upset about the FSM? I know that many others have said the same thing in numerous ways, yet I can’t stop myself. When I heard the word about the FSM, I literally thought, “Now here’s something I can believe in! I’m home at last.” That was after I stopped laughing. I have never felt that way about Christianity or Jesus. I can’t help it. I just can’t buy it. Furthermore, I don’t want to buy it. Am I a potential convert to Christianity that has been nabbed by the enemy? Is that what they are so angry about.? There are plenty of other people in the world that the Christians can convert. So they lost one. They never had me in the first place.
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did God invent the comma on the eight day?
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Yeah, Fatima was like a rabid hatemail freak!
That was so funny I’m still crying.
I’m gonna die laughing.
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To add to the comments by Drosera, how can a diety maintain that it/he/she is just when it/he/she gives a person free will and then punishes them to eternal damnation for using it? Seems like a rigged game to me…
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To add to Juannino’s comment, as somebody once remarked, the problem with the Judaeo-Christian notion of hell is that it invovles inifinite punishment for finite wrongdoing.
Nobody has ever been able to explain to me how this fits with the concept of a ‘loving god’.
And I’d be far more convinced by hate mail that was properly spelled and punctuated.
Or perhaps not.
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They just dont get it. Everyone knows god came from somewhere(duh). God is just His lacky. Jesus may have died for our sins, but who gave Jesus his last supper? (pwnd if i do say so my self) P.S. Was the first midget the “roaming gnome”?
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While I can admire Steve’s deddication to his beliefs I have to say I feel he takes it a bit far. If you have told someone what you- as a Christian- believe and they fail to accept it and make it their own then you need to take the hint and let it go. One of two things will most likely happen if you fail to. 1. If the person had any slight interest in crossing over into your belief then pushing them to far is going to lession the chance. You ought to let them take the time to mull over the idea on their own- but accept it if they choose not to follow you. 2. If there is no chance of them changing to your philosophy they are at best going to resent you for being overbearing and at worse they are going to start acting out against what you believe. What really bothers me about Steve’s message- besides that second sentence being a bit confusing- is that it is in response to a request to realise that science and religion should not be used to justify eachother- it can’t work. Science is what we can see and test in the physical world. I don’t care how devout you are- God is not something which can be proved by science. Go ahead and teach religion in school for all I care- objectively and not just a single religion would be best- but keep it out of the science class.
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Dear Steve:
so, if I believe that killing puppies and children is wonderful and when I fail to follow this “ideal” I am the worst monster of all time. So, I am off the hook with others because I believe this to be true with all my heart?
I am mocking you because you are mock worthy. Believing something is true does not make it true. People believed, quite sincerely, that Hitler was a wonderful and just person. People believe that speaking out against the things we disagree with is unpatriotic. People believe in UFOs and astrology. Belief does not equate to truth; it is merely belief.
If you wish to believe in God, heaven and hell, then more power to you. But, if I have to be threatened to believe as you do, then is my belief valuable? I say that coerced belief is not true belief. If I act in ways to keep myself from eternal damnation, then I am acting in a selfish manner. But, if I act to help others with no concern about eventual reward (because I find it unlikely that this paradise exists), then my actions are far better than those who fear punishment for their lack.
Those of you who proclaim your love for others and God while preaching hate and fear are only deluding yourselves. If there is a just God, then it will recognize and reward “good” acts that non-believers commit. And, it will see the selfish and ancaring acting that “believers” commit. If there is any justice, then the believers will enter paradise and be distraught about the exclusion of the believers who strayed from the path of kindness and humility.
I hope you can let go of your arrogance and strident nature before it is too late. Remember that the meek shall inherit the earth, but you, sir, are not meek by any stretch of the imagination. And, no matter what you believe about yourself, you are causing more harm than good with your attitudes and written hatred.
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“the problem with the Judaeo-Christian notion of hell is that it invovles inifinite punishment for finite wrongdoing”
Fortunately, the vast majority of American Jews shun the ridiculous “Lake of Fire” idea.
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Could it really be a lake, anyways? I mean, how big does a lake get before it becomes a sea or an ocean or whatever? Wouldn’t it be crowded? There aren’t that many Jews in the world, so there’d be a lot of people in this supposed “lake.” Maybe that’s the idea, it should be really crowded so if someone farts it’d really suck. I like that and I’m afraid of it so now I will wear a silly hat or pray to a ceramic figure on two sticks so that I might not have to live in a lake or pond or something when I die. PS, a “Sea of Fire” would be way worse, because salt water kicks your ass if you get cut. Fresh water feels really nice.
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how about in my religion: the easiest level of hell-fire is where you are strapped down and your feet are boiled to the point where your brain sizzles… good thing God has infinite mercy, or else i would be screwed.
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Heh, well, as an American Jew I can say that no Jew I know accepts the Lake of Fire concept. Actually, I was taught in hebrew school that Jews don’t believe in hell period. (Of course, I slept through most of hebrew school, so I might be wrong on that one.)
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Been thinking about it. You know, the bible was written a really long time ago on clay tablets or something. Maybe they missed a word or two when they translated it into American, and came out with the comic-book version. Could it have been that…
Lake of Fire
originally said,
Lake of Fire-Water
Everyone knows that’s wiskey… Aquavit… Grappa… Rum…
In heaben, it’s a beer volcano. Down below, it’s a lake wiskey. See, Dog is merciful, either way it’s a party, Aarggg!
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Arr, matey.
International Talk Like A Pirate Day be September 19th, which my calcumalations show to bein tomorrow…so talk liken you be a pirate, yeh scallywag!
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I wonder if there will ever come a time when people are nice to people and do nice things just for the sake of being nice. The thought of being burned in hell for failure to do so wouldn’t even occur to them. They wouldn’t even think of the rewards, either. I don’t like the idea of a heaven and a hell, because it inspires greed and arrogance.
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oh, and ARRRRR!
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Wat the hell is wrong wit u physco chirstians…so much for letting people find their own spiritual way to god and alll….it nnot these guys whose the physcho ‘fuks’ as u would put it but u are the true physco fucks…leave this site alone, they r a different religion and i for eone support them on their courage.
so i say to you weird, fuking idiot superchristians…
“let my pickle go” —–Quote from Moses the Pickle
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u phyco bastard…..stop removing my posts
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stop removing fre3dy’s posts
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I have a question… If all you people hate the idea of FSM so damn much, why do you sit here and preach at people who really don’t give a damn? If we’re to be damned for worshipping a spaghetti monster, then I’ll be damned anyday.
RAmen, bitches.
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Bother, that’s a really good question. I’ve wondered it myself. I’ve been damned time and time again, and I don’t want to repent to the Christian God. So there it is. I’m supposedly going to Hell. I hate it when that happens. As an aside, can someone give me some ideas of what to say tomorrow at work to celebrate International Talk Like a Pirate Day? I know some basics, but I need help.
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I feel ashamed of this country. We make many scientific advancements, and we begin to revert to the dark ages because it is religiously sound. I do not want my children learning of myths as fact, and I do hope that it will not reach that point. And for this reason, I support the FSM for their use of “reductio ad absurdum” on such a large scale.
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try http://www.talklikeapirate.com/howto.html#basic or the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cKCkbWDGwE
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I believe in Christ and God and the Bible. And i find the man who created this site a truely brilliant man and he has found a way to get his point across… good for some shits and giggles too. but you cant even begin to truely call yourself christians when you bash someone by calling them “fucking idiots” and saying “shit” and “damn” evey five words. how can you even utter that crap when the man you call your Lord (mine too) and Savior taught ultimate understanding and acceptance….. ALL OF YOU CHRISTIANS ON THIS PAGE AND EVERYOTHER PAGE BASHING SOMETHING YOU DONT THINK IS RIGHT JUST MAKE THE REST OF US LOOK BAD AND LIKE RADICAL MORONS.
P.S. to the guy who wrote this page… dont stop its great
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Do you remember the 2 reporters who were kidnapped in Iraq a few weeks ago? All they had to do was recite 2 lines saying that they had converted to Islam and they were set free. Will your god forgive them because they denounced him to save their lives? What would he do? This site is to show how ridiculous the idea that ID is science and should be taught in school. If only one viewpoint of religion is taught, how can that be an accurate description of a god or other diety? To truly understand what this site represents you must be open to other ideologies than your own. You must learn to laugh at yourself so that you may start to understand how ridiculous the thought of teaching a single religious viewpoint is. THIS is what is truly represented on this site. It is people like you, Steve, that give religion a terrible name. This site is a place for people of similar interest to gather and discuss other viewpoints on religion itself. We mock those that do not understand what the church of the FSM is truly about. For the record, I consider myself agnostic. It is MY BELIEF that IF there is a god, be it christian, tao, a FSM or whatever, then the day of my judgement will show that I was not set to a single religious belief, but that I had an open mind on what religion itself truly is and what it means. Before you can call yourself christian, follow what you are supposed to preach.
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I’m totally confused , is it red or white wine with spaghetti? Come on people its caled comedy ,satire,sarcasm or whatever your particular belief or non belief calls it. Bottom line :LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!
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“I hope we can have a good laugh about it between singing songs of praise to the Lord God Almighy in heaven.
Peace.” -steve
Hey steve,
no disrespect to you or anyone but have you ever heard the belief that some people in heaven will enjoy watching the people in hell suffer? this is what you are saying in the quote above! doesnt that sound immoral and non-christian to you?
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After taking an admittedly cursory glance at this list of replies I can only say one thing: I am ashamed of a lot of the “Christians” who have decided that the best way to demonstrate their faith in Christ is to try to shout down anything that they don’t agree with or think is wrong. I am a Christian myself and I believe that God is a very real presence in the world. I don’t expect everyone I meet to believe the same thing I do. In fact, I am often surprised when I meet a Christian on the street who really understands what Christianity is all about. I have no problem with sitting down and explaining my beliefs to those who ask and really want to know. I welcome the chance to do so, but I will never attempt to force anyone to believe in the things that I believe in. It’s not my job to convert anyone. My job is to present the facts and the reasons for my belief to the best of my ability to anyone who asks. The rest is up to God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus forced anyone to believe that He was God or that His teachings were correct. He never used threatening language, though He did call the religious establishment “hypocrites” and “whitewashed tombs,” which was justified considering that they did not follow their own laws and were misleading the entire population. I believe very firmly that God would be amused by this site to say the least. He seems to have a sense of humor, I mean look at the platypus. At any rate, the “Christians” who have nothing better to do than sit at their computers and spit rage at things they don’t agree with need to reread their Bibles and realize that Jesus Christ would be ashamed of their actions. I doubt that He would appreciate their attempt at “conversion at the point of a sword” so to speak. Thanks for your time. Any comments or replies that anyone really cares that I read, if any, would probably be better sent through my Myspace account as I’m sure I’ll check that more often than this site.
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This website is so cool. I LOVE the FSM!
Oh and all of you hate mongerers, why don’t you go rant to your “god” I bet he cares alot more then we do!
Arrrrrrrr blistering barnacles!
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To the poster of the ‘Hate-Mail’
Are you serious?
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PRAISE BE TO THE ALL MIGHTY COMMA!!!! TREMBLE IN THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS THUS! “,” AWESOMENESS!!!! LIKE TIMES A MILLION!!! BY THE WAY EXCLAMATIONS UP THE WAZOO, AND CAPITOL CITY!!!!
P.S. Plutos will engulf you all.
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Aargh me hearties, while an undergraduate on the dark continent I did happen upon a fellow seeker after enlightenment (passed out under a pool table I think) who got his clammy paws on one of those metal button making machines, and he produced this gem “When Jesus comes back, boy is he gonna be angry”. As a merry rumrat I would like to suggest that a substantial number of the sulpher flingers from the Jud/Christ side of the organised religion fraternaty should cogitate upon this.
Case Study:
In South Africa where I am from we are in the process of introducing gay marraige legislation – man you have got to see Christian love in action – marches down the high streets, banners and all the other hypocracy that the God botherers can think of.
I am pretty sure that the FSM and his piratical followers would never do that (those voyages can be long me pretty – any porthole in a storm) – at the same time we have a Pastor who is on trial for turning his 14 year old adopted daughter into a sexslave. I bet you if he had not been incarcerated at the time he would have been leading one of those marches…
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I agree with M.L.B…if you take the idea that “God wanted it to happen” to its logical conclusion, we would all be Amish, except with even less to help us…maybe wheels in the shape of a cross, because that is a divine shape?
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I am happy in a heaven with beer volcanoe and stripper factory. I am damn glad that I am not in facist heaven where they are singing songs of praise to the Leader. Sounds very Stalinist.
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Hell do be a perverse concept. So much so, that it be obvious that there is no such place, and it do be a scare tactic to keep those who do believe from questioning too much.
For instance, consider if someone did tell you that there did be a kind fellow that do wait until we do die. And then this fellow do decide that if you do no believe in a rather improbable and, by current notions of conduct within the universe, sometimes impossible scenario, then you do be punished for ever. I would no call him kind if he spared me and let a single person meet that fate. Now do consider that most people do call this fellow omniscient (which do mean “all-knowing”) and Creator. Then this fellow did design people who could no believe such things, knowing full well that he would punish them as a result. I would call this fellow a monster, stab me eyes.
It do be a good thing that no such fellow do exist, and anybody that do tell you otherwise do be a bloody liar.
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AHOY! This “henderob” fellah sure makes for a laugh when you read his statement out lout while pretending you have an extra chromosome!
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….he spelled believe wrong….more than once
wow, if he doesn’t even know how to write the English language correctly than how can he be sure he’s reading the bible correctly.
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alright. I have one thing to say to you. Peace be with you, and heaps of pasta and beer for us.
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i just find it hillarious that anyone, never mind so many, would believe in a propagandist religion that is based solely upon the belief that if you dont join, youll go to hell and be tortured forever, and if “Christianity is the body that God works through to show His love on earth” (pulled off the site http://www.christianity.com/WhatIsChristianity/
third sentence third paragraph) then the “God” that Christians believe in must hate us all, except for those who become his slaves, hell, he probably isnt even A god never mind THE god, he was a good perfectly human ventriloquist with a torch, who convinced people to do what he wanted them to do by burning down bushes, and giving everyone some really, really, really, good weed, hence his silence since the days of Moses
that and the fact that if “God” made Human Beings in “His” image, he must be pretty messed up in the head, just look at the stuff that we do to each other, if were ALL made in gods image, then we must be images of god, and he would be one fat/skinny tall/midget multicoloured suicidal-but-not drug addict-but-not criminal/cop arsonistic-fireman that would need more then seven years for a thought to go through his very fucked up “mind” that he wouldnt be able to move his finger in a week, never mind make the world, and then rest on the last day.
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Henderob is a BELIVER…he belives??? I believe we should all fork over a little of our booty and get Henderob THE BOOK he that will save him…a dictionary. AAARRRGH! I’ve been to Hell, it’s in Michigan. It’s actually quite nice.
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I don’t much like intelligent design politically, though I am a Christian.
I personally find this site as funny as hell. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is an optional deity in my Daoist Catholic Church, of which I am the Prophet. The others are Reverse Jesus, Allah w/mohammed, and Jesus. I just tried to accomodate the beliefs of all my friends, and create a religion that doesn’t care enough about anything to have people blowing themselves
Now, to those blind-faith Christians (idiots who “inherited” religion and never really though about their allegiance) who have posted here with “you’re going to burn in hell” and “this is dumn” comments, have you considered that you are maliciously fucking all religion in the ass by making a post like that? Really, think about it next time.
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