I was just wanting to offer to you all a couple of books that I believe would be very helpful and insightful, because it seems that not many people taking part in this page have done any REAL research. I am truly not trying to be offensive in any way. I have a lot of compassion for people who have not really delved into the facts deep enough, and so are confused. These books are:
“Answers to Tough Questions: Skeptics ask about the Christian Faith†(By: Josh McDowell and Don Stewart)
(And/Or “Evidence That Demands a Verdict†(By Josh McDowell)
and “Who is This Jesus, Is He Risen?: Examining the Truth About Jesus†(By: D. James Kennedy, Ph.D. with Jerry Newcombe) — which can be gotten from: Coral Ridge Ministries
P.O. Box 40
Fort Lauderdale, Fl
33302
I truly hope, because I really care about each individual, that you all will really read these books…because I know it will be difficult to even pick one of them up due to lack of desire to find the real truth — and maybe even due to fear of finding the real truth (for some people). There have been prominent men who have delved into the research to the greatest extents in order to get all the facts — only to find out who Jesus really is, that he really lived, and that he really rose again — and those men who were determined to tear down the Christian faith ended up developing an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ instead.
What I am saying here, is that these facts definitely make it something to at least seriously look in to. I am not talking about a superficial glance that is guarded by many preconceived notions from the GetGo…I am talking about an actual intellectual LookSee.
In conclusion, may God’s blessing be with each and every one of you…including the misguided “Christians†whom I saw left comments on this page before..I am sure some of you really meant well, but it is not the true way of Christ.
The real important thing is to find out who Christ REALLY is, but if you want to..in the meantime.. check out answersingenesis.org.
Love to all of my brothers and sisters in Christ.
-Pennhigh
Have you read the Gospel yet? If you have yet to read the gospel, do not come on this site suggesting texts we should read without reading our own!
May his Noodliness have mercy on your black soul, Pennhigh.
Pennhigh… definitely give “The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” by Julian Jaynes a try. You’ll not likely find any greater truths there than you’ve found already, but give it an actual intellectual LookSee. ;)
And a small question if I may… have you delved into the texts of any other religions? There is truth reflected in all the ways that humans relate with their god(s), and many paths to God.
A politely worded contrast to the straight hate mail, and appreciated! The other small question in my mind says, Is the Bible not enough to find out who Christ REALLY is? If one is willing to seek the truth in the Bible, why does one need the interpretations of men, be they books or websites?
Doc
I strongly suggest that you pick up a copy of the gospel of the FSM. Many prominent christians have tried to tear down the pastafarainism faith but end up developing a close relationship with the FSM instead. Unless of course, you are afraid to find out about the truth. After all, there is plenty of proof in the form of text to prove the FSM. Yes, He really existed, really created the world, and created the skeptism I sense in you, as a test for you to overcome. So, do you want to continue living in lies, or do u want to seek the truth?
I do like the lack of threats, swearing, and general homophobia. I will look into those titles if you promise to look into ‘Siddhartha’ by Herman Hesse, ‘The Alchemist’ by Paulo Coelho, and ‘The Monkey Wrench Gang’ by by Edward Abbey.
Peace
I have seen the light - the mountains, the trees, the meegits…FSM loves us all and we are all equal in hie eyes! Brother Pennhigh - please come and join us. You will see it is the one true way! No more questions…no more additional books to read. It is THE WAY! Thank you.
At least one of u “christians” has managed to post an intelligent argument based on their views and beliefs, i dont buy in2 any religion but i do respect the opinions of an intelligent person who can argue their point without resorting to insulting and demeaning the views of others i hope u do well in life pennhigh
Pennhigh, Christian is as Christian does. Your efforts would be better spend getting proclaimed Christians to behave in a decent manner. See if you can get them to adhere to the teachings of Christ and stop wishing death, pain and misery on those of other religions. See if you can get them to actually read the Bible. See if you an get them to stop tarnishing the name of Christ. One you’ve acomplished that then you can concern yourself with the rest of us.
Last note. Assuming that anyone who isn’t a declared Christian is simply ignorant of the teachings of the church is pretty damned arrogant.
A christian such as this comes about seldom in my area. I might just read the books, but keep in mind I’ve also read the bible (several additions), the mein kampf, the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster, the necronomicon, the Hitchhiker’s Guide (written by an atheist), and a wiccan book whose title escapes me at the moment. I’ve even been able to appreciate the irony of having my copy of Farenheit 451 confiscated during school. Right now I’m trying to get ahold of the koran, because I’m curious to see what all the hype is about.
I like exposing myself to as many different beliefs as possible, whether they be religious or more down to earth interpretations of our emotions, nature, culture, and anything else that makes me curious because it really does expand my mind. It doesn’t mean that I’m going to align my ways of thinking with whatever is set in text, it just means I’m aware of other ways of looking at it all. To deny someone any book, regardless of its content, seems like such a waste. That’s what is so great about Pastafarianism; it was made to present choices.
Now, I understand the humor involved, but there is an unspoken point to it. Maybe that’s too deep for a few of you who I know just like the idea of claiming that your god is a complex-carbohydrate deity and wearing full pirate regilia (albeit quite awesome regardless). Still, that’s why I like it so much, there are so many choices.
I’m going to read those books, but keep in mind I like the idea of following a religion that isn’t against homosexuals, is based on empiracal evidence (or lack of, in some cases), and could accept the idea that maybe this god of theirs was very drunk when the world was created.
Ramen.
OH OH OH, I have a better idea. Watch “The God Who Wasnt There.”
i got some books for you too:
-Where God Went Wrong
-More of God`s Greatest Mistakes and
-Who is this God person Anyway
haha … the FSM does not need to be researched. he just is. try having a little thing called “faith.”
The zealots broke Christianity. If they want to fix it they should focus on that, not on tearing down other religions.
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. You are correct in your assumption that I might not read your suggested books because of a lack of desire, yet it is not a lack of desire for the truth. Everything is relative, even truth. You may have found what is true to you, and that’s great. What is true for me is different. To me, there is no ultimate truth because everything is in flux. What is true right now might now be true in ten minutes. It’s all in my perception, not necessarily what actually is. It’s not unlike the Uncertainty Principle, which states that if one can pinpoint the velocity of a particular particle, it’s position at any one moment becomes more difficult to determine. I’m not a physicist, but I think that’s the general idea. Just when I grab onto one thought that seems like it might be “truth”, a multitude of other questions emerge to challenge that truth.
I suppose I should read your list so I can adhere to my belief that I should not criticize what I do not understand. I just don’t want to. Your assertion that I am confused because I don’t have enough or the correct information is erroneous. I’m not confused about what I believe.
“i got some books for you too:
-Where God Went Wrong
-More of God`s Greatest Mistakes and
-Who is this God person Anyway ”
Ahahahahaha! Guide references are awesome.
Oh, and back on the actual topic:
It doesn’t matter how many questions you try to answer. We will always come up with more, and we will come up with explanations that deny religion, and eventually we will figure out where in our psychology the belief in God springs from, because God is a human invention.
While I don’t much care for your religion, it’s nice to see that you’re not all bloodthirsty over-zealous crusaders.
I think it’s hilarious that there are people who take this site seriously enough to write hate-mail to it. =P Especially when there is more historical proof AGAINST the validity of Christianity (time the religion emerged, where the symbols came from, that most of the holidays are ripped-off versions of other PAGAN religions…) than there is FOR it. Yet they’re the ones freaking out and telling Bobby that he’s going to hell for making a perfectly legitimate PROTEST SITE (As in, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.) I mean, sure- if he was handing out cups of Ketchup saying “The blood of the spaghetti-monster” I could see some kind of relevance to the complaints- but y’all are just being babies.
oh oh oh!!!
We should totally do that “blood of the Spaghetti Monster” thing that Steven J says….
I wanted to get these books and found them on amazon but the shipping was expensive. I mean I know you can get detailed thorough proof based documents for:
-Evidence That Demands a Verdict, Volume 1: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith (Evidence That Demands a Verdict) (Paperback)………. 0.41
-Answers to Tough Questions Skeptics Ask About the Christian Faith (Mass Market Paperback)……………………………………………………….1.83
-Who Is This Jesus: Is He Risen? (Paperback)……………4.99 (talk about expensive crap!)
But who would have thought the shipping would be more expensive than the books??? Oh well.. Guess I’s jus gonna remain ignrant.
Maybe I have a friend who already owns them. I need a good outrage.
I have absolutely no interest at all in reading any of these books. Since they apparently deal with Christianity, they must be, by necessity, ultimately based on the Bible. The Bible is a fundamentally flawed work. As such, any work based upon it must also be flawed.
Dave said:
“The zealots broke Christianity. If they want to fix it they should focus on that, not on tearing down other religions.”
And it’s something all Pastafarians need to guard against, lest we become bigots and hatemongers. That’d make the FSM cry.
RAmen.
Regardless of the need for witty condescensions, I truly appreciate Religion ONLY because of people like you PennHigh.
you can take tose books and shove them where the sun don’t shine
The blood of The Flying Spaghetti Monster is Marinara Sauce, light on the onions, heavy on the garlic. And yes, we offer it up weekly, even in our country’s elementary school cafeterias.
We are assimilating you slowly, luring you with salad and garlic bread to our altars to partake of His love for us all.
Remember all this next time your church has a Spaghetti Dinner.
RAmen
You guys arent serious about believing that a meatball is Almighty are you? I thought this was just for fun, I didnt think you guys would actually make this as a solid religion. You guys can try and convert me, but I want real proof, not opinions of some great author or scientist or Ph D. dude, I want solid proof as in scientific proof that FSM is real and Christianity is more fake than FSM. I want scientific proof that the Bible is flawed or that God was only a human idea.
Besides, cut the other christian kids some slack. Theyre just kids! They dont know what theyre talking about. If you guys put up some REAL facts about all that I ask, I will debate.
Josh– well, I want solid proof that the bible is real and god actually exists. Oh wait, that’s the problem with faith, isn’t it? That you can’t prove it?
Dude, the seascrolls are over thousands of years old, from where the Bible first came into shape. And the FSM came from a PH D guy that is unemployed who had nothing else to do but make it up. Tell me, which person made up the Bible? You figure this out first before you come back at me with not being able to prove my faith. And tell me, how has the FSM helped you in life? Oh, and you want solid proof? Has the FSM ever have organizations where instead of just spreading the “word” they would actually help those in need?
well if the “word” inspires people to be a little bit nicer wouldn’t it make your job of helping those in need a little easier?
….Josh, dear, you are MISSING the point. Can’t speak for everyone, hahah, but I support FSM because of what it’s saying–that science belongs in science class, and religion does not. Give me some EVIDENCE–and not the bible, because the bible is not proof of anything–that god could have created the earth and THEN I’ll say, fine, teach it in school. But–as so many others have said better then me–as long as it’s only faith-based, it doesn’t belong in a class where evidence is key. End of story.
And as for the bible, I don’t know. I wasn’t born. Do I think some old guy with a beard sat around writing it? No. I think a human did. If you don’t want to believe the same as me, fine. But that’s what the bible requires, faith, which I simply don’t have. (btw, I believe in god…just not yours, apparently.)
““Who is This Jesus, Is He Risen?: Examining the Truth About Jesus†(By: D. James Kennedy, Ph.D. with Jerry Newcombe)”
Any self-serving prick who puts Ph.D in his title is to pompous for me to read.
Dude, Jacob, the guy that made FSM has Ph.D in his title. Real nice of getting off subject.
Gill, I didnt say anything about teaching religion in school man. And you havent answered any of the questions I’ve asked you. And since you said your a Jew, you know all about the prophecies. That’s evidence right there. People knew beforehand that a Savior will come. You havent put up ANY facts that can disprove what I say. I started out as wanting proof that FSM is more real than Christianity. Or any proof that the Bible was flawed. You still havent answered any and before we get off subject(i.e. teaching religion in school in which I never mentioned) I want you to tell me what I ask. I’m not trying to spread the word. I want you to “enlighten” me with facts.
I don’t have a Ph.D. And if I did, I wouldn’t put it in my title. I don’t even capitalize my name.
-bobby
(see?)
I never answered any of your questions? Funny, I thought I did.
First of all, Jews believe that a savior will come……WILL come. Later. Not now. I don’t really know myself if/when a savior will come…..but just because the BIBLE says he/she/it will doesn’t mean he/she/it actually will. (Jsyk, I’m a jew more culturally then religiously, meaning I don’t buy into the bible.)
As for proof that FSM is more real the christianity…..I don’t have any. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT. I can’t prove that my religion is any more ‘real’ then yours–and YOU can’t prove that your religion is any more real then mine. So therefore it’s just as logical that some people would believe in FSM as opposed to your religion. Religion’s all about faith, not reality. You can’t prove one is real and one isn’t. People have faith in FSM–or whatever other religion–for the same reason you have faith in Christ.
As for proof the bible is flawed….well, how about the small fact that it says Jesus was born from a virgin woman? You might not see that as flawed logic, but I sure do…seeing as how that’s not physically possible. Also–I don’t know exact dates, but I do know bones have been found that predate by a LONG shot the year god was supposed to have created the earth. To me, the bible was written by man….and man makes mistakes. Lots of ‘em.
I’m not trying to ‘disprove your faith’ ….go ahead and believe in the bible, I don’t care. Really. But to my mind, christianity is no more ‘real’ then FSM. Or any other religion.
I do hope I’ve answered your questions this time.
Ian Barker: “I’ve even been able to appreciate the irony of having my copy of Farenheit 451 confiscated during school.”
What the FUCK. Where did you grow up? Zensorsteinlandia?
Also, anyone have one of the books that were recommended in .pdf? I wanna take a look-see, but I definetely won’t spend money on it…
As for proof that FSM is more real the christianity…..I don’t have any. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT.
Very true…FSM isn’t about spreading the word of Pasta and Pirates (although it IS an added bonus to have a tasty holy food, instead of dry crackers-and a cool holy outfit, instead of random robes…).
Also, Josh, you seem to be all over the place, religion-wise. Yes, Jews believe the messiah will come…but he hasn’t come yet. Just because a man came up with scientifically provable miracles does not denote a saviour. Anyway, Judaism maintains that, when the messiah comes, we will all be happy and get along. I don’t see this happening because of YOUR saviour (various terrible things done to Jews over course of history). Hope you sort yourself out, and do some real research into religions other than your own.
=D
SHHHHH — you’re letting all the believers in on the joke. whose going to serve HIM now? robots? i hope they’re thinking of a religion for robots before it’s too late
There already is a religion for Robots. It is the monotheism practiced by the Daleks….er the Borg…….no wait it’s………….
Battlestar Galactica
THERE IS NO TRUTH
First off, Pennhigh, I find it odd that you would claim that non-Christians simply haven’t done enough research. This is strange to me due to the fact that I am quite certain that you yourself haven’t done much research into other major religions in this world. How many intricate details are you aware of in Buddhism? How about Islam? Shinto? Maybe Sikhism? I believe it’s safe to say that you know little to nothing about these religions. So how is it possible, then, that you can claim to be coming from a viewpoint of vast knowledge, when you are clearly at least as ignorant of other religions as the people you are trying to convert?
Despite the opinion of other people on here that you are nice and not insulting, I must disagree. I find you to be degrading, judgmental, and most of all, hypocritical. It is people like you (and the other fundamentalists that post hate-mail here and tell everyone who isn’t of their faith that they are doomed to eternal damnation) that foster and breed hate and intolerance throughout the world. People like you are the problem with our society.
Please don’t misunderstand. It’s not that I have a personal problem with the beliefs of Christianity, because I don’t. It’s simply the idea that Christians are so much better than than everyone else and should convert non-believers to their ways that irritates me to such a great extent.
If Christianity helps you live your life in the most positive and fulfulling way possible, then by all means, believe in it and follow it. However, don’t force it upon those who don’t believe it. How would you feel if some random stranger came up and said to you, “Hey, how’s it going? Listen, I know you think what you believe is correct, but everything you think is true is wrong. If you don’t think the exact same things I do, you’re doomed to eternal damnation, so you really need to start believing the exact opposite of what you think.” You’d be upset and outraged if someone said this to you. So stop saying it to other people.
The basic concepts behind religion are finding a place in a community, finding answers in your own life, and having a path to follow in life. Notice that no where in there did I mention anything about converting others. There’s a very good reason for that. It’s not one of the basic principles of the concept of religion as whole.
Stop plaguing the world with your brand of nonsense.
Okay, I honestly spent that last couple of hours checking out the site you left… “answersingenesis.org” and the first article I read was about dinosaurs. Right… I’m not going to look at the site any longer, look at the books, or even think that you may know what you are talking about. Anyone else here should check out the site and read about dinosaurs, I love the logic “evolutionists just made things up that fit our theory” and, a few lines later, “a lot of the evidence fits the Bible.” Hmm… pretty much the same thing. Sorry Penn, but that site is dumb and made your argument null and void.
Your consideration and concern is appreciated. Science and God are not at odds, despite the best efforts of most Christians, it seems. May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
So do these bocks extoling the wonders of christianity explain the Spanish Inquisistion. I thought not. Until christianity gets honest about its history and maybe even apologises….well you understand.
Well…Your statements were incredibly arrogant and bigoted, but not nearly as much so as most of your religious persuassion. More importantly, you actually managed to state them with at least a superficial air of civility, which was indeed refreshing.
I am actually touched by the repondse. For once someone is not condeming, rathering offering another path. I should think more Christians should be like this.
I venture that many agonostics and atheists have read more on religion than most christians, muslims (insert your religion here). Most major religions at one time in their history prohibitted their followers from owning or reading their own religious texts. Some still do. Most prohibitted their followers from learning about other religions or the secular world. Some still do. Apparently our creator gave us the ability to think, but would prefer we not use it.
So, I will likely read some of the books you recommed. I wonder what you read that doesn’t simply reinforce what you already believe. Do you ever read books offering different religious viewpoints that aren’t written by christian authors with an agenda?
“Sometimes,” said Captain Ramen, one day, to his crew, “Facts are called ‘facts’ because they are not factual. Thus, what some may call ‘facts’ are in fact, complete bulllshit. Yes, it is true that we are Pirates, and are His Chosen People, but some people may call it a fact that we are bound to a place called ‘Hell’” To which, his crew each downed a goblet of pasta, for their bowls had been cast overboard in joyus celebration of a bounty of the Golden Pasta Plate. “But,” said Capt. Ramen, “Would these people know it as fact that their ’savior’ was himself, pastafarian?” On the plate was an inscription, that said, “On this plate, Christ ate his last spaghetti supper.” The boat was on a mission from the FSM, to find DaVinci’s studies for the Last Spaghetti Supper, and to prove to the world the Way of His Noodliness. The boat was soon lost at sea while the crew was finishing communion with Three Days of Drinking, as tradition mandated. Pastafarians, however; are wise in the Ways of Changing Anythign for the Better, and the three days were reduced to One, but feel like Three Days, as the FSM changes perception of time whenever His Chosen People could benefit.
wantnig? is that written right?
You are ALL wrong. The christian and all of you Pastafarians are wrong. The TRUE GOD is THOR, GOD OF THUNDER. Without him you will all be lost.
Sorry dudes, but that’s THE TRUTH. Why can’t you just see it? Dang.
OH MY GOODNESS! I just converted. Thank you so much for the recommendation, they’ve truly changed my perspective…
…..Nope. I was wrong. Nevermind. The only life changing books I’ve ever read were by Tom Robbins, and he’s a nut. (My fellow Pastafarians should definitely check him out, though, he’s right up your proverbial alley!)
You along with a good portion of the rest of the haters obviously don’t recognize this as a bit of a parody or rather the stating of a point, which is that no matter what you believe, critics abound.
Ok…so here is one giant flaw with YOURS…you think that all of these people are insightful to your God’s purpose, but from what I understand, we as humans aren’t supposed to know his purpose, just know him and love and worship him so that we may ascend to heaven and finally know his purpose when we have left this ‘mortal coil’, so what makes you think that these humans, however learned they may seem and however many books they have published…how can you, being a Christian, believe that these mere humans have insight to God’s will and furthermore call it ‘truth’?
What any religion, or the science behind evolution for that matter, is based off of are theories and beyond that: theoretical evidence….what these people have have written is theories based on evidence…and what amazes me is how the science in evolution is ignored when so many Christians acknowledge so many other forms of science and recognize what it has done and continues to do and they see that what science does is a true process, but many refuse to acknowledge any evidence that evolution is taking place…how does one eat a cake but refuse to acknowledge that it was made…and that a drawn-out process with specific ingredients was involved.
Sorry for the long-windedness
RAmen.
Its wonderful that you’ve been so polite. Its so much better than what’s USUALLY on here. At any rate, I’d like to make the point that I am a confirmed Catholic, but understand what this whole thing is about. To push your beliefs onto ANYONE else is wrong, which is why I have a HUGE problem with trying to convince someone else to convert. Quite frankly, its none of my business, and if I live with the conviction that all human beings are equal, and should be treated with fairness and respect, then I am living my religion.
That said, you should check out other major religions. Most of them have a concept of 3 gods in one person that I personally find fascinating, which is why i’m pretty sure all major religions are actually just one religion that split apart based on language barriers and cultural concepts. Its also another reason I believe trying to convert another person is wrong. Their beliefs are just as valid as yours.
That said, keep your religion out of the schools I pay taxes for, unless you want to put the FSM in there, which makes just as much sense. Long live pastafarians.
rAMEN.
Sorry, you lost me at “D. James Kennedy, PHD”. The man is a liar and a scoundrel: A minion of Boy-ar-Dee.
Noodlers:
With Parmesan cheese I anoint you. May the noodly apendage touch us all.
Amen.
There were come comments made earlier about titles… what’s wrong with titles? Hell, some of us Pastafarian Discordians have a list of titles that could fill up a small book…
And I truly care about you. Your patronizing tone and thou-art-an-ugly-stain upon-ones-shoe tone of voice trouble my pastafarian heart. Does it not say SHUT THE a!@@# UP! I don’t like your tone and I do not need these other texts to understand the Bible (a thumping good read even though it has various continuity and logic errors- but what can you expect from a 2000 year old carpenter). And I somehow doubt you’ve read OUR religous texts or any other for that matter.
you cant exactly call reading works of fiction research. there is absolutely nothing scientific involved in writing a book about faith and how jesus rose from the dead. there is an infinitely greater amount of evidence to support evolution than there is to support accounts of jesus’s resurrection or miracles. just because there is a really old book about it doesnt mean it’s true. if i wrote a book this week about Bob the Savior and how he made miracles and floated around the world healing people and planting money trees, it wouldnt mean that 2500 years from now my book is suddenly undisputable evidence that bob really did such things (which he obviously didn’t because only the FSM can do that). get your head out of your ass.
Pennhigh, your kind faith will save you while your false christians writhe under the watchful eyes of the Archfiends. you may not achieve Noodly Heaven, but paradise shall be yours!
I suggest you read “Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah” by Richard Bach. It’s the story of a biplane pilot who encounters a Messiah who has quit the job of being a Messiah. The pilot becomes a student, learning how to awaken to the Messiah within him. The basic point of the book is that we are all our own Messiahs, and that when the “throngs and masses” start to worship any one person instead of acknowledging their own IS-given abilities, things get ugly. I suppose the book might make a findamentalist Christian foam at the mouth because of its “blasphemy,” but reading the book had a profound effect on me and choices I have made in my life. The Bible, however, did nothing for me. Zip. Nada. Nyet. And, might I add, that when I went to a Pentecostal Church service in the spirit of open-minded spiritual sampling, I was freaked out. They were just bat-guano loony, and more than a bit frightening.
Actually, I don’t suggest you read “Illusions.” I think I’ll just read it again and become one with my inner Messiah again.
Men like to rise above but if they forget the Lord, they will rise and fall.
Forget the Lord? I can’t forget what I never knew in the first place. I can remember the “lord” within, however. To me, it’s the same thing.
When church and state are in combatance of sorts, there is going to be a stand. There has to be. Now you see the USA
in a war. Money, riches, power, and the muscle of military might. What is the real fight about? Who is the real GOD
or the real Christians? Or what? What we have is a stand off between oil tycoons? Is that all? Do you think it is all?
In the end folks, you find out we all can die the same but where our souls go is something you will find out is different.
Yes you can attest to rotting and yet you can also acclaim such thing as the afterlife. Ghosts are real. God hears our souls. When Cain slew Able in the Bible, God heard his soul cry out for revenge. We are all competing in this world for a piece of sunshine and action. God determines which ones of you are honest, dishonest, forthright, and forthcoming.
Thus, the mark of the beast or gold seals.
Blah, blah, blah all you who don’t understand who GOD is and what he does, don’t pretend you are the only one in charge.
Let me inform you, you are not.
It was in 1985 I was sitting down with my two sons playing.
God was talking to me and I was opening up the Bible and God was trying to help me. I kept hearing this DECIDE DECIDE DECIDE and I was like huh? And I was up against Satan for many years and deathly afraid of this horrible cult who were killing Christians, I almost one of them. I sat there trembling and I read REVELATIONS seven times. I knew GOD was telling me to decide, do I want the mark of the beast? Or of God. I shouted at the devil, I had no fear! NO WAY, I believe in GOD and I saw a gold seal God super imposed on my forehead in the mirror. God showed it to me. I was a changed person after that. Miracles started happening left and right for me and I will not forget that day. Satan is real folks.
So is God.
Are you honest? Are you straight up? Are you on your way to Heaven or Hell? Are you living right? Are you sure? Are you sure there is no GOD? I tell you that there is a GOD and that your very souls are being sorted out as you sit.
I heard it from Satanists to shut the hell up and I heard it long enough.
Now, I pray to the Lord I love for signs and miracles
and you won’t tell me to shut the hell up anymore.
It is time for the killing four to admit his black soul.
Killing me, he swore to GOD? Come now killing four. Have you no soul? Is that a knife or a daggar in your pocket? Are you just a smile turned upside down? Is there a bee in your bonnet? September 29th marked down as go fry your ass and who gives a rat’s ass? Is there someone down the road that knows the true and living GOD and has forgotten the ways?
Well, serve yourself a warrant and find the pot at the end of the rainbow.
Because folks IT IS NOT MY FAULT.
And what’s more is this,
IT WAS YOURS.
For not hearing a little baby saying she is Mary sent back and realizing it.
For not letting her live her life as GOD wanted her to.
For not being nice enough to give her a break.
For now questioning the miracles like she was fooling you?
OH PLEASE….
Miracles come from GOD and always point to his awesomeness.
I am only God’s witness.
Selah and over and out.
To those who know GOD is real,
he shall be your guide.
To those who do not,
you are lost.
This is getting ridiculous. I check out the FSM site on average 2-3 times a day. Up untill recently this site was quite funny and more to the point it showed the stupidity & absurdity of religious fanaticism of any type, now more and more all it shows is stupidity.
As for the one carrying the moniker of Bobby’s Last Reply: Will you please take your Judeo/Christian bullshit and just shove it up your ass. Quite spamming the goddamn boards; your not going to get anyone to agree with you as you sound like you have lost your fucking mind.
Bobby’s last reply, if you’re going to rant about bullshit, could you at least go back to doing in poem form? Those were at the very least funny.
I agree with Mythos. What do you want, really? What would make you happy? If you got one of us “sinners” to give up our evil ways and accept Jesus as his or her Savior? Ten of us? All of us? Couldn’t your energy be better spent elsewhere?
Do you sincerely think that, as a result of the force of your words, that one of us is suddenly going to be filled with the Holy Spirit suddenly see the light? I doubt it highly.
Do you want to make us angry? If so, how is that helping your cause? I can’t engage in a meaningful dialogue with you because: a) I don’t want to, and b) even when what you are writing is making sense, it’s not fun. That’s not sarcastic in the least. I really want to have fun. I’ve seen enough of sadness, evil, and pain in my life that I simply don’t have room for someone like you. If I come here to this website, and have fun while vicariously connecting with so many people who think like I do, how is that making you so angry?
I don’t know what you all are talking about. I, for one, have been enlightened. I think Cathie (Bobby’s Last Reply) is doing a wonderful job inspiring us poor, blasphemous, religionless, heathens. I have found the Lord Jesus Christ (he was, go figure, at the laundromat… no wonder I’d never seen him, I do my laundry at home…) I’m so inspired, even my DOGS are speaking in tongues. I’m throwing away my Oxford English Dictionary, because intelligence will do me no good at church. I think I’ll burn it. People in my new religion like to burn things.
See how hard it is to give up sarcasm? It’s notjust me.
Hi Pennhigh,
I think the exchange of knowledge is a beautiful thing and I thank you for the suggestions. May I also make some suggestions?
May suggestion:
Origin of the species - Sir Charles Darwin
The Age Of Reason - Thomas Paine
Anything by Richard Dawkins
Thanks
eh, hardy folks? what ye be doing, me children? you know, i’ve been exposed to arrogant, mind-numbing christian doctrine all my life - i turned atheist, but am willing to put that aside to take up FSM!
but now i see the same traits in some FSM supporters… i cannot tolerate intolerance! i’m only learning about the community now and am facinated by it… but really - cull them fools - mock our own as you would mock them who haven’t seen the sauce of all creation.
oh, and i’m all for mocking them people who wants to see me going to hell - stuff them, i have my ticket to sit right up front in the stripper factory for all eternity (i does begg some questions, though - will i have a boner for ever and ever? and what will i be able to do with it? and will the stripper factory’s produce be available for private shows?
peace
Obviously. It wouldn’t be Heaven if they didn’t.
Well, there will be non-stripper females in heaven, too. Look me up after you’ve been at the stripper factory for a while. It’s a win-win situation. Better than floating around with some harp, huh?
StarBuckaneer is right to recommend Tom Robbins…wide eyed and eye-poppoing stuff there.
PennHigh is at least civil in his misguidedness and that is commendable as he is obviously a little higher-functioning than others of his kind. It is clear that he understands the symbolism, meaning and reason for Pastafarianism.
As I have read the Bible many times and led Bible studies, the truth is obvious - the more one knows about the Christian mythology, the less believable it becomes. There are excellent teachings in many religions, yet no one person knows it all (FSM knows all, but he is a deity and not a person).
Live your life in Pasta Peace, know why you feel the way you do and simmer your sauce slowly to bring out all of the flavors.
Evidence That Demands a Verdict is far from convincing. It basically points out all the unique characteristics of the bible, couples that with the probability of a historical Jesus figure, and then inexplicably associates it with the proven existence of a God. It’s along the same lines of magical thinking as Behe’s mousetrap or that B.S. about the complexity of the eye, which take poorly formulated proofs, throw them around as fact, and jump to the conclusion that there is a designer.
May His Noodly Appendage open your eyes, that you may read the text and not the bias.
RAmen.
Toughest questions?
Why does man war with himself?
Why can’t we all get along?
Why are we still here asking the same question?
Does GOD EXIST?
HUH?
Where do we start believing?
BC or AD and how do we stop the madness
of all the inbetween eras?
Now you have my attention.
Where it belongs.
First loves?
Well mine would be from another lifetime since I am reincarnated.
So that explains the man in yellow in Alaska.
Maybe what the killing four would like to think he is.
Mellow yellow.
If he is Mellow Yellow than forever turns out to be a long long time.
Then, I mean. So world, I prayed for signs. The reincarnated Mary. The Fatima some call me. The cheese sandwich miracle woman as well as many others. People tell me to write a book.
I say NO, they will not get rich off of my life. NO ONE SHALL> for GOD is not about money. God wants us to learn to be more like HIM. Not selfish or greedy or money wander lusting. I am not about to write a book because the world needs to change big time. Word of mouth is fast too, so get busy and wag those tongues.
If you can try to understand the suffering of his saints better, you may understand me better than running your mouths on here. Yes, this is me. I am the one who prayed for statues to cry as I was cried out but still sad. I have had one terrible thing happen to me after another until I fell apart. I tried to tell doctors who I was but it was hard to do that. I am not normal. So, I knew that they would get too excited by the proof so I waited for the proof to come later.
I had predicted it beforehand. I am 100% with my predictions.
No false prophetess am I. Maybe the killing four can help me out with this. Dunedin Elementary School. Sandbox. He failed and was actually to be in the second grade. I don’t recall his full name. I had five bricks land atop my skull and later would attempt suicide because the world is so evil I can barely stand it anymore. So folks, Satan is a fuck wad.
A pill and he should take his own medicine. Asshole bastard.
Satan hates me because I have a pure heart and came after me just like a preacher said he would do. I am lucky I am still alive.
The whole world is absurd, you are right and GOD knew this.
That is why Jesus had to be sent. What happened? The kings panicked and wanted to kill firstborns. Now we have men freaking out like a curse of sorts, like a payback. There was only one Christ and he was to live through that. Now we have men going biserk saying they are the Christ. How do you not know that they are this way because of the firstborn killings and a punishment? We all need a swift kick in the pants. ALL OF US. God is not happy with us. Me too but right now I am trying to help you all out. God could destroy us all if we don’t straighten up. ALL OF US. EVEN ME, his beloved Mary. So hear me out, we have got to do more than just sit this one out. The time is ripe and again, Satan rears his UGLY head at Christians. As long as I am alive, there will be hope but he thinks if he can kill me off, then there will be no more trouble. He is dead wrong. I can pray alive or dead. God can too. So, I as Jesus’ mother knows her son. Trust me, I told my unbelieving family at a young age of 10 months old. I was born speaking remember. I am different from you.
The Fatima, well folks, I was in Pa when I was talking to GOD about where to find water. I asked GOD where is it? God showed me and an escavator named Raulph Estabrook from Kingsley, Pa came to dig. Ask him about the miracle that day.
No I am not a fake. I am not a legend in my own mind either.
People have seen things around me that they will not in any time forget.
Maybe that is why the killing four is devoted to Rose Mary.
Maybe that is why no matter the distance, he travels it.
Maybe that is why he sings to me. He knew GOD sent me.
OK, now let us all pray on this. Some agree,
MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
Money causes people to be hateful, selfish,
ruthless, and heartless.
Money can destroy mankind.
Profit or prophet?
Which shall it be?
Two witnesses in Revelations.
I am one.
I am rather proud of it too.
Proud Mary keep on rolling.
Dade City, when you receive this letter, a tornado will come and rip through your town.
I sent a letter stating this.
Sent on Monday.
Tornado came on Thursday.
Weather is my thing.
Pete Rose of Montrose,Pa
he owns the Montrose Inn.
Laughed at me hearing a voice telling me an earthquake was
coming.
I said, well GOD tells me to tell you one is coming right now
and right then, the floors shook violently and the pans he had on his wall were falling off the wall.
Is that fucking off the wall funny to you?
I am the reason for the modern miracles you are seeing today.
END OF DISCUSSION>
Wow… Crazyness
I really do hope it is the end of that discussion. My brainstem hurts.
Bobby,
you stated earlier that money is the root of all evil. Since we also know that time is money, by one of those silly mathematical laws you learned in school, time is the root of all evil. As further evidence, my girlfriend constantly complains that I don’t spend enough time or money on her–obviously, they are interchangeable. I think that may also indicate that I don’t enough root of all evil on her, but I’m still working on the mathematical proof of that. This one is already worked out for us, luckily enough:
1) Women require time and money: Women = Time * Money
2) “Time is money”: Time = Money
Therefore,
3) Women are Money, squared: Women = Money^2
4) “Money is the root of all evil”: Money = SQRT(Evil)
Therefore,
Women = SQRT(Evil^2) or, simplifying:
Women = Evil.
This has been a public service.
One qustion, and one question only: who the heck is the ‘killing four’??
On the radio, you hear his songs…
Knock down the old gray wall,
Be a part of it all…
Or
No time left for you,
No time left for the killing four.
Or
Love grows where my Rose Mary goes
And nobody knows like me.
I am the Rose Mary he is talking about.
And so folks, we are dealing with EXCUSE ME WHILE I TOUCH THE SKY like Jimmy Hendrix would sing as I nicknamed the kiling four JIMMY and TIMMY and TIMOTHY which is of course the TIMOTHY TREADWELL that died because we are seers and very sensitive right now.
Bobby,
Just listen to WEEN and tune out all the voices in your head. Those with illusions of grandeur are listening to lies.
Yeah thanks for trying to sell me stuff. I know you get a commission for every book that you sell and I would like to help you but I am a little broke right now. I hope are successful in your future efforts to make money off of others’ religious beliefs. Actually, that’s a lie. I hope your company fails and you have to get a real job doing an honest day’s work. Try farming.
I’m doing something stupid, here, which is to tag a comment onto a list so long that I haven’t read the half of it. So, if, for some reason, you are reading this post, please forgive me any contextual wrongness.
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Read The Demon Haunted World, by Carl Sagan. Since this entry seems to have started with book recommendations, there’s mine. I like to think of this book as a big book of common sense. Because that’s basically what it is. Life changing, life enhancing, common sense.
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It’s just funny, and sad, when you look at it squarely, how uncommon common sense really is.
J, now that’s something I will read. I’ve read others by Carl Sagan, and I, too, have been altered by the experience.
Thanks, SaucyWench (good name, by the way!). It was one of a number of books that I read while doing a lot of thinking about my beliefs, which ultimately led me to atheism. And I remember this book very fondly.
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Carl Sagan was a very special, very talented man. His was the first book that showed me that there could realistically be such a thing as responsibility of belief. I still sorrow for his (and Douglas Adams’) ridiculously, unfairly early deaths.
Ditto for Douglas Adams. Extremely absurd, but very profound.
Hey, and I have a book for you! It’s called the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! You need to try to see the issue from both sides, Pennhigh. Obviously, if you had enough time to write all that hate mail, you must either really hate us with all of your (empty pit)
heart or not have a life. Or both. Either way, just leave us alone, you aren’t getting anywhere.
Ted Linguini: You have read (and you like) Tom Robbins, therefore, you’re brilliant. And I love you. I just had to post that before I read the rest of the posts. You made me happy.
Ok, I still haven’t gotten through all of them (damn flu… again, being punished for the blasphemy) but #1. Proud Mary is a song about weed. #2. Dunedin elementary is near where I live, so I’m scared, cuz this bitch is a local! #3. Hey, Bobby’s Last Reply: how come you’re talking about your miracles in Dade City (FL) and Dunedin Elementary (FL) and PENNSLYVANIA? Do you have that many people that you need to smite? And #4. There was no Tornado in Dade City. Nice try. What the heck do you have against Dade City that you would want them to have a tornado anyway?
Ok, I just have one more thing… it’s “Excuse me while I KISS the sky,” not TOUCH it. Those lyrics have been confused by many people who sing the song, “Excuse me while I kiss this guy.” Not touch. Sorry, you lose. I’m pretty impressed by the whole women=evil thing, too… I mean, it’s a fact that I always knew, but it’s nice to see WHY. Like when you find out exactly why the sky is blue (and now Ms. Fatima is going to say, “because I miracled it that way… weather is my specialty!”)
I’m not confused and I don’t like books, so there!