I seriously can’t wait to get into heaven! I can’t wait until I see you non-believers try to get in. I will seriously be laughing my ass off.
I can’t wait to be in heaven, watch you pitiful non-believers try to get in and watch Mary, the mother of Jesus, kick your asses all around the clouds. That will be my most awesome day.
-Brian Smith
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Gary,
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Are you for real? You can’t truly be this ignorant. Are you just playing your own satyrical game? Even the most ill informed that have visited this site pale in comparision to you.
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I can see you’re not interested in having a conversation, but I’ll try anyway. Will you address my original question? http://www.venganza.org/2006/09/15/cannot-wait.htm#comment-13392
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OEJ
So in short, Gary is willing to accept that his mythical God has every right to be a tyrannical monster because he made us all and can do as he wishes with his creation. this includes heinous deception (since God is meant to be sinless, when he clearly is not), mass murder, genocide, endorsement of rape, child molestation, incest (oh yeah, real healthy practice for your “God of life”, but i don’t recall god be angry after Lot gets both his daughters pregnant), human and animal sacrifice, and the subjugation of women to the status of slaves. according to God’s law, a rapist merely has to pay his victim’s father 50 silver pieces and the victim becomes his wife (read: slave). if soulless, atheistic principles are what it takes to overturn such a heinous ruling, then its atheism all the way for me.
so no, i’m not willing to bow down to a God who is a monster. You talk about God as a loving father who laments his children’s rejection of him, but in truth God is more like a father who will forgive all his children’s most savage crimes against humanity so long as they love him, but will slash their tendons with a razor blade and roast them over an open fire if they ever think for themselves.
and oh yeah, of course the Bible tells you that the word of god will be mocked and rejected. the NT was written partly as a political tool against the polytheistic Romans and partly as a means of encouragement to a beleagured and persecuted people. but even the most well-versed Bible scholars i’ve spoken to admit that most of what is described in Revelations happened during the reign of Emporer Nero. If you can’t guess, i was raised as a Christian. When faith failed to answer my questions i turned to science, which at least gives measurable results and isn’t afraid to admit when it doesn’t know something yet. Evolution is a fact, as undeniable as gravity or electricity. If it wasn’t, then locusts and mosquitoes would have been eradicated by human pesticides decades ago, and antibiotics would have beaten all of the world’s bacterial infections. For a good while i believed in the co-existence of science and faith. what finaly drove me into atheism was not that i saw a world which works on self-enforcing (rather than god-given) rules. it was that i couldn’t stomach the notion that the evil creature described by the Bible could ever be real. yes, you heard me right; the God of the Bible is the ultimate EVIL.
and God clearly couldn’t have wished for his creation to exist in perfect harmony. see my previous post about how nature works. if there was never any inention of death, then the world would contain no place for any cat species, wolves or canids of any variety, scorpions, centipedes, crocodiles, or predators of any type. the few examples i’ve just given are all species supremely adapted for a single end: killing other organisms. none of these can survive without regularly slaughtering their fellow life forms.
like i say, it’s all outdated mythology.
BIG RANT… again
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“…yall don’t know me are my humer, first off evalution is a religion it starts with the big bang but no one knows where the energy came from and it goes against the laws of fisics and cant explain why we have planets moons and galaxies that spin in the wrong direction i beleive it was created by GOD but i cant tell where he came from ower planet is governed by the law of gravity i can beleive it are not but the evedence is undeniable”
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Wha…?
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Clean up time I think.
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“…you all don’t know me or my humour, first off evolution is a religion. It starts with the big bang, but no one knows where the energy came from, it goes against the laws of physics and can’t explain why we have planets, moons or galaxies that spin in the wrong direction. I believe it was created by GOD but I can’t tell where he came from. Our planet is governed by the law of gravity, I can believe it or not, but the evidence is undeniable.”
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Even now, it still doesn’t make much sense, but i will argue what I can (I actually have a sinking suspicion you are winding us all up, but ahhhh, what the hell…).
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So… in numbered point form, my beefs include;
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1)”evolution is a religion”
No, evolution is not a religion. From the Collins Pocket Dictionary (a poster’s best friend :p), religion is a ’system of belief and worship of a supernatural power or god’.
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Evolution does not involve any belief or especially worship of the supernatural. It is simply a scientific theory, no different from the ‘law of gravitation’. It merely postulates how we became what we are, who other animals did as well. It can be used to make predictions, which have been verified by observations of micro-evolution (macro is kinda long term, don’t'cher’y'know).
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I very much doubt that anyone could call gravity a religion, so why do you do the same with evolution?
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2)”It [evolution] starts with the big bang”
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Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with the big bang. Evolution was proposed well before there where any observations to suggest that the big bang was a possibility. Hell, it was postulated by a biologist (botanist? Help appreciated here), not an astophysicist.
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Anyway, the big bang has fitted all observations so far. It is one of the strongestt theories for the universe’s beginnings. Why you feel the need to attack yet another theory when you have not finished with the first is beyond me.
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3)”…can’t explain why we have planets, moons or galaxies that spin in the wrong direction.”
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What does that have to do with anything? Newtonian physics can explain that, without resorting to anything more contreversial than gravitation.
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4)Two-parter here…
“..but no one knows where the energy came from,”
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“I believe it [the universe] was created by GOD but I can’t tell where he came from.”
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Sooo… you won’t believe in something accepted by the vast majority of science, but you will put your faith in a big beard in the sky? …right. After all, that’s logical.
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6)”…but the evidence is undeniable.”
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From your sentance structure, it would imply you are referring to gravitation.
So, evidence that we have gravity? Yep, pretty much undeniable (unless you are reaaaaaaaalllll f**king high, to quote Bill Hicks out of context).
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However, if you are actually referring to your earlier comment, on God creating the universe, I am afraid I must quote an Australian midget (Rove McManus, to those that actually care) and say… WHAT THE?!?!
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There is no evidence for god creating anything, let alone the universe. Even if there was evidence, it would have to be something pretty damn impressive to be undeniable.
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Well, I think I will leave it there. My brain put me into a protective coma at the first sight of scripture, and I don’t want to risk a relapse.
Gary,
I’m with One Eyed Jack, I don’t see any willingness on your part for any type of communication. At this point I am convinced that you’re just jerking everyone’s chain. Nice try, have fun in heaven.
JL
I’m bored with it!
I agree with you guys. I think it’s a wind up.
@GARY Nov 9th, 2006 at 1:17 am
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….“Read why 50 PhD scientists from all around the world reject evolution on scientific grounds and choose to believe in creation in the book “In Six Days (why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation)†edited by John F Ashton PhD, New Holland Publishers, 1999. (The above 10 quotes were taken from this book.)
Read the scientific evidence against evolution (short and concise) “
JUST THE FACTS….
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Hang on guys……..50 PhD scientists!!! It must be true if 50 PhD out of tens of thousands of scientists say it is.
We’ve got at least that many supporting FSM Gary.
Goodbye
LONGEST. POST. EVER.
(Pastafarians and all types of brights might as well skip to the end)
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Just spotted this thread explosion. What a difference a day makes. Wow.
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Apologies if some of the following is boring repetition – I’ve really only been able to scan the above and read the most recent posts. But I’ve got to stick my oar in (that’s ‘stick my oar *into the proverbial waters of discussion*’, for readers of the ‘your god is a homo’ thread).
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@ Gary,
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A lot of people have made a lot of good points to you now. Still, a few things in your last post stuck out to me. Here goes.
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‘that is why i have tryed to learn as much as i can about different religions and actual evedence i wanted to know GOD not join a church’
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This kind of independent enquiry is a very good idea. It’s this kind of thinking that has brought nearly every one of us to atheism or agnosticism, and to pastafarianism. Keep thinking. But, can I suggest, don’t just study different religions. Read the non-religious accounts of the world too. Books like ‘The Demon-Haunted World’ (Carl Sagan) are very friendly, easy to read and full of eye-opening stuff. And they don’t set out to attack religion – they just enable you to ask some sensible questions about it, among other things. Any faith worth having should be able to handle some sensible questions sensibly, right?
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‘why i do not know’
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This sounds like one of those sensible questions. Don’t just let it go. God’s meant to be all-powerful and all-knowing, right? Apparently he had no problem giving people miracles and resurrections as proof 2,000 years ago. He must have known that we’d need something similarly strong to go on now, and he must have it within his power to provide it. Why, if he actually exists, wouldn’t he? I don’t know, either.
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‘GOD told the people to become clean to wash with water and if you touch a dead body to wash with water and wait over night and you would be clean’
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I won’t deny that the Bible contains historically verifiable details and little nuggets of early scientific good thinking like this one. Why wouldn’t it? Of course people wrote down things about their lives and histories, and useful information that they discovered (like ‘people who hang around corpses seem to get sick’). That’s exactly what we do today.
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Of course, we live in a society full of printed information. Newspapers, magazines, journals, the internet. The ‘corpses make people sick’ point would appear in medical journals and then probably in the newspapers, to make people aware of this discovery. 2,000 years ago and more, writing was not a common skill and few written documents existed or survived. The Bible is more than just a religious statement – it’s a compendium of all sorts of bits of information that people of that time wanted to pass on to one another. It’s full of ‘word-of-mouth’ sort of wisdom which has found an opportunity to get written down for posterity.
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Today, we also have much more advanced science to explain these things, too. Looking back up to your ‘walls of Jericho’ post, for example, there was some mention of an earthquake. Today, newspaper headlines would run ‘Jericho Ravaged by Quake’, and we’d talk about things like plate tectonics and the Richter scale. Those medical journals would say ‘wash your hands after touching a corpse to avoid bacterial infection’. But, the writers of the bible were including these bits and pieces of observational knowledge without having and decent explanation to hand. Still, they wanted people to take them seriously, they were including them in a book that was also filled with people’s religious beliefs and they wanted the whole thing to hang together in some way. So the explanation for everything ends up being god. In the circumstances, that’s completely understandable. It doesn’t mean god *gave* us this information. It means that the writers’ religious beliefs share the same pages *as* that information. That’s all.
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Next quotes from you:
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‘JESUS asked why do you clean the out side of the pot but you do not clean the inside, saying why do you dress so nice when inside you are full of anger and judgement the bible is to be a mirror to veiw our own actions’
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‘as i read and study i see more of an owners manual for life’
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Jesus was a great guy. I’m happy to believe that he existed, as there’s some evidence for it and it doesn’t contradict my understanding of how the world works. And, you know, I’d even consider wearing a ‘WWJD?’ band. Jesus doesn’t have to have been the son of god to have said and done things that are worth emulating. (For exactly the same reasons, of course, I could wear a ‘WWG(handi)D?’ band or a ‘WWM(artin)L(uther)K(ing)D?’ band.)
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This is exactly why Richard Dawkins was writing about starting an ‘Atheists For Jesus’ movement a while back. Jesus said a lot of things that coincide completely with humanistic morality. Since atheists don’t believe in god, some of us would quite like to win Jesus’ many good points back from this association with the supernatural that he’s got stuck with.
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You talk about the bible as being like a mirror to view our actions. It really doesn’t take a god to ‘hold as ’twere the mirror up to nature’ like this. There’s a radio show here in Britain called Desert Island Discs, in which famous people talk about their lives and choose their favourite music, in the imaginary scenario of being stranded on a desert island with only these records and a record player. Each guest is also automatically granted a copy of the Bible (possibly another religious text for members of other religions) and the complete works of Shakespeare. A lot of people have said of Shakespeare that his plays do exactly the same as you say you got from the bible: they present human thinking and behaviour so richly and clearly as to make us aware of who and what we are, and to view our feelings and decisions more clearly. Nelson Mandella, whilst in prison, drew inspiration from Shakespeare, Churchill did so when lifting morale during the Second World War and millions of others have done so before and since. But, whilst he may have been hugely talented and massively inspirational – indeed, ‘in apprehension how like a god’ – Shakespeare wasn’t a god. You don’t need to be a god to understand humans. You need to be human. And attentive.
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(By the way, both the quotes in that paragraph – the ‘like a god’ one and the one about ‘hold[ing]…a mirror up to nature’, which seemed to have unconsciously inspired your own language – are from Hamlet.)
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More quotes from you:
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‘The church through out history has used it to preach there message not gods message’
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‘the king james version and the few flaws it has [etc]’
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It sounds like you’re appealing directly to the bible in an attempt to get round all of the dodgy church interpretation that’s been made of it over the years. Good idea. Sadly, the word of the bible just can’t be separated from this sort of interpretation. It was written and compiled by exactly the sorts of people who have been interpreting it every which way over the last two thousand years.
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What do I mean? Well, consider that the present form of the Bible was only agreed by the Nicean Council of 325 AD. Look at the New Testament. Before this council there were numerous Gospels, all regarded as true accounts of Jesus. The Nicean Council decided to keep four and throw out the rest, and did a little editing on the remaining four to create some kind of coherent thread. If you want ‘the true word of god’, you aren’t going to find it in the present-day bible. The church interpreters beat you to it by nearly 1,700 years.
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Then there’s the Old Testament. This fares even worse. Biblical claims just can’t be extracted from the purposes of the people who present them. Take the example of the Book of Deuteronomy, which was originally ‘found’ during the reign of King Josiah whilst he was in the middle of a serious reformational struggle. By astonishing good fortune, the newly discovered book backed up all of the king’s views. What are the chances, eh? How persuaded would you be if your country’s leader, having spent ages trying unsuccessfully to make radical changes to your national laws, suddenly backed them up with an ancient scroll he claimed to have just discovered in a temple and which no one had ever seen before?
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Almost last quotes:
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‘i can tell you of a GOD that delivered me from anger and depression and showed me how he would do it before he did it’
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‘as i got ready for my dads funeral i had a question that would not leave my mind would you realy stop and help someone, even on the way to your dads funeral? i beleive was a challenge from satin, and half way there on the side of the road was two Mexicans if you knew me two years ago you would know why it was two Mexicans, the cool thing was none of us spoke the same languedge but we worked together like a Nascar pit crew, and when i got to the funeral they where just fixing to start and my dad was still dead so all went as planned. sorry for the humer but my dad would get a kick out of that so thats for you dad.’
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That really got me. I’m sorry about your dad, Gary. And, judging by that story, you’re a really nice bloke. I’m pretty sure that there aren’t many people who would have done as you did.
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You know what? If that’s the sort of morality you’re in favour of, then we’re all on the same side, here. If you find it through god, that’s your business.
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The big difference is that I look at that story and I decide you’re a good fella because of what you did – going out of your way to help a stranger. That’s good, solid human morality. A similarly charitable humanist would do the same thing. But a Christian observer could look at that act of charity and say: ‘Sure, you did the right thing, but you don’t believe in God so it’s to hell for you’. That sort of opinion isn’t founded on anything reliable at all, and that’s where you and I part company, I think.
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I totally accept that Christianity and other religions can serve a valuable purpose. They can help us to be less selfish, to become more ethically aware and to open our eyes to some of the world’s wonders and woes. I’d go so far as to say that it did those things to me. But we can go beyond that, now.
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We’ve learned a lot these last couple of thousand years. We can look at our ancient religions, we can see what they’ve given us – and we can also see where they harm us. We can see the places where they lead us to believe things that have nothing to do with the good of human beings at all, but simply propagate some tired old myths or enforce somebody’s attempt at social oppression.
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This is what it means to be a modern humanist society. Not simply an *un*religious society. A *post*religious one. We don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. But we don’t keep the baby sitting in a tub of filth, either. You don’t need a particularly fine sieve to separate babies from bathwater, really.
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Last quote:
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‘if the bible is wrong ive lost nothing and have lived a greater life in the few years of knowing GOD than i did in 30 years trying to do it my way’
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It’s true, as long as you’re absolutely sure the life you’re living *is* greater. It sounds like it is, so well done. But, bear in mind that ‘better than before’ isn’t the same as ‘the best it could be’. Keep thinking, keep reading, keep questioning. You might find that you’re stronger than you thought – that you can go right through Christianity and come out the other side into a world that makes much, much more sense.
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And lastly: ask yourself what your own faith does to other people. When the answer is ‘it helps them get their broken down car fixed by me’, then it’s fine. But when it’s ‘it stops them getting married’ or ‘it forces them not to have an abortion’ or ‘it means that their children have to be taught my religion’, then don’t you owe it to them to be *sure* of your beliefs?
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Thanks for reading.
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BTW, @ Jingles:
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‘J, you better do something… we can’t have the post length record go to a non-believer.’
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We aim to please.
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You know J, that is really quite scary…
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Impressive, but scary.
Bloody-hell.
To quote Jingles “Wow” I’m speachless!
RAmen
RAmen J
I….
…am gonna set you to music one day, J
:-)
RAmen, brother
I am of the belief that Jesus was talking directly about homosexuals when he said “love thy neighbour”.
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Come on what straight man gathers together 12 men for a world tour and does not sleep with the female groupies?
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Answer:- A gay one
You know J, last night I checked on this thread just before you posted (my massive “Goodbye” post) and I kept thinking “where’s J”? Had a peek at other threads and then, low and behold your name came up on this one. Only got around to reading it this morning. As usual, well done!
@ Jingles.
Kudos to you too!
RAmen
@ NTWHM - ‘Come on what straight man gathers together 12 men for a world tour and does not sleep with the female groupies?’
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Before you go ‘Your god is a homo’ on the bearded man-lover (understandably), check out h2g2 on the Council of Nicea: [http:] [//www.] bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A307487 (remove square brackets and spaces - moderation paranoia!). Apparently Cheezus was into the laydeez after all…
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(Not so sure about his disciples, mind…)
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@ Jingles and Penne - sorry. Scaryness is one of the Ten Steps to Becoming a Pirate, though (at least, it was in my junior school). And it takes many types of scary to make up the FSMs wonderful world. (RAmen).
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@ Davey Jones’ Slacker - ‘I……am gonna set you to music one day, J’
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I’d be tempted to hold you to that, if I didn’t know how corpse-killingly boring I am. Ta, though!
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@ nikkiee - Aww, bless you. And don’t go away. I’ll miss you.
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@ EVERYONE: I’m going to stick the current draft of the OPEN LETTER TO TED HAGGARD on the ‘your god is a homo’ thread’ now. It’s been through three drafts now, between myself and Davey J.S.. The idea is for people to read it and see what they think. Shortly (unless I come up with a better idea) I’ll stick an email address on there, too, and anyone who is happy to put their name to the letter can email it to me. Then, we’ll see about actually *sending* it…
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TaArrrr, pirates
TO ALL
Study of ALL things is what led me to GOD and away from beliefs like evolution and planed parent hood teaching that life has no meaning is what has led to billions of aborted babies and unwed mothers since 1960 when evolution became the main teaching and GOD was taken out of school vilont crime has gone up 995%,unwed birth 325%,girls 10-14 325%,divorce 111%,unmarried couples 536%,illegal drug use 6000% & this takes in to account for population growth. thats mans law not GODs. The lack of belief in the written word of GOD is what has led to so called christians to murder in the name of GOD, the gap theory, setting dates for the return of christ. satins only power over us is deseption, what we do with it is the result of that deseption, he wants us to doupt th word of GOD, thats what he did with eve in the garden, the fist thing he said (did GOD say). GOD told JESUS you are my son, the first thing satin said to him is (if you are the son of GOD) GOD already told him he was. The differance in JESUS and other men is he believes the word of GOD and ther for was able to live a sinless life. not believing is what has led to copied religions man trying to make GOD what they want him to be to fit there lives so they don’t have to fit his life, im sorry but it leads to destruction every time. GOD says you will know them by their fruit, if they are true you should be able to see it. Salvation is not about going to church are religion. JESUS fulfilled the law, we are no longer under the law he payed for all mans sins once and for all. Receiving salvation is simply understanding that we are not perfect and cannot be good enough to stand before a perfect and rightious judge without a perfect and rightious attorney, in a since we are getting defured ajutication. Would you go to cort today with out an attorney? If you get a speeding ticket for 1 mile perhour over the speed limit its only 1 mile perhour, but its still braking the law, it does not matter how good you are are how many laws you have upheld and the ludge is going to judge you accordingly, unless you have an attorney,
Scientest not beleiving in what teach has led to the big bang THEORY (key word). Every thing bagan from nothing,I thought even science teaches to get something from nothing is impossible math 0+0=0, 0×0=0, 0-0=0.well you get the point.Science has shown that all living things are far more complex than any thing we can make, but you want me to beleive it happened by accident, i’ve hade accidents and nothing good was produced, thats evidence. Look at the cost of insurance. Ower technoligy pales in comparison to the work of GOD always has and always will. After reading the works of Darwin i believe if presented with the evidence we have today he would fall on his face and praise the lord. Advanced cell research shows it’s either there are not it can not form over time. Back to the chicken & the egg. Unless we are talking micro evolution, you can read about that in Genesis they are called kinds but bucause you call them spicies that makes you roght and me wrong, give me a brake. Global flood ,expanding heavens,gulf stream,round earth,all in the bible and they did not need billions of $ are high tech equitment to tell us all this. I say the credit goes to GOD not modern science, I think modern science has done a great deal no doubt about it but give credit wher credit is do. If ever thing came from nothing, that would be supernatual, if you can use evolution to make predictions sounds like prophecy to me, only with out evidence my point with grvity was you don’t have to believe it for it to be true, but you do have to have evidence or be able to see the effects, just like air, I don’t have to believe that every radio station is in the room with me but i do have to have a receiver to pick it up just as GOD is always in the room with you but you have to be receptive to him to see the effects and you will.Science books have changed more it the past few years than the bible through out history.ther are no fossils that show evolution, they date rocks with fossils and fossils with rocks and call it science,(circular reasoning),There is far more proof of a young earth than an old earth. Evolution is every bit a religion, you believe something you can not prove. What does planets and moons spinning backwards have to do with any thing? Read about conservation of angular momentum, why are all the planets so differnt and made up of different amounts of gases if they all came from the same bang and where did all the dirt and matter come from to make the little dot that spun so fast it exploded, seeing how matter can not be created are destroyed. Speaking of the UNIVERSE uni meaning one and verse being a spoken sentence,we live in a single spoken sentence (GOD SAID LET THERE BE). It looks like you only study what gives you the answer you want and you stop there,ie; Jericho you see the earthquake and you stop ther, well GOD used a flood and did not try to hide it’ im sure he probably used a volcano to destroy soddum and gamora. He told us of the increasing storms to come and because scientist call it global warming they have found something new . Ther is nothing new under the sun. As for the bible it’s 66 books written by 40 authers on 3 continants over the corse of 1500 years and they all have the same messaage, the dead sea scrolls where found in caves not a temple and have been study for 50 years by all walks of life and are authentic. The other gospels are dated 100 years after the writtings of the new testamen and no one knows who wrote them. Just because the followers don’t always agree does not make the book wrong, just it’s readers. Scripture inturpets scripture there is no need for man to inturpet it,thats why the center verse in the bible is PSALMS 118;8 it is betterto trust in the LORD than to put your faith in man, if it does not say it then it does not say it. It’s not to be added to are taken away from. It has been proven over and over again and whats found is exactly what it says, not close, but exact. Some of the best evidence has come from the men that set out to disprove it read the work of athiest archiolagy William Ramseys it made him a believer because the evidence is overwelming http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/actsarcheology.html As for miracles they happen every day, you call them coincidences and unexplainable, but there comes a time when it’s to coincidental to be coincidence. People raised from the dead,healed miraculously, delivered instantly from drug and alcohol addictions, you name it it happens as GOD said it would but if you dont beleive it then you will never see it, you will denie the evidence. Lance Armstrong is the perfect example when the doctors gave up he would not he beleived and lived. JESUS never asked people who they where are what made them sick, he simply asked do you want to be healed and do you beleive he can, he never asked them what their religion was he healed any one that beleived he could. So i would have to say make sure your belief system is the right one. My belief system heals the sick raises the dead saves lives and the souls of the millions of babies that your system aborts.As i said when i started this the evidence is ther if your willing to look you beieve in theoretics i believe in facts, i was told by one of your followers to get my nose out of the bible. So i say pull your heads out of your PHD’s and look at the forrest insted of the trees….
@Gary
The real reason you found god is because your a fucking mess and you got molested. personally, if that happened to me, i would be fucked for life. however, i’m living a good life. also, your rant proves nothing. you just say that evolution is wrong because it has nothing to do with god. you know, god probably is in charge of evolution. and since when has evolution led to the disasters you listed above. that is the most retarded thing i’ve ever heard. dude, your a fucking joke. want my advice, read other books other than the bible. the bible isn’t a science book. if you say it is, that’s funny.
Ya, we get it GARY. You could have simply said, “God did it,” and saved a lot of time and effort.
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“The less a man has to say the more words he uses in saying it.”—Tommy Dewar
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I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you really wanted to have a discussion, but this latest batch of mindless rhetoric has an air of spite to it. You are not going to make any friends that way, GARY.
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RAmen and pass the Parmesan