I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe

Published by henderob September 14th, 2006 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism).

I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe we were created by a flying Spaghetti Monster (considering both spaghetti and the idea of monsters are both products of man’s creativity and imagination), but were simply trying to make a point on how Intelligent design shouldn’t be taught in school.
That is why I am a little confused as to why you said, “I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them.” Unless you actually believe in the Spaghetti Monster (in which case I would have to consider you slightly loony until I’ve seen half-substantial evidence), this sentece goes completely against the point of your letter.
There are other logical flaws in the letter and your claims but I have a feeling there is only so much ground logic holds for you. I can simply pray. As a Christian, I am appauled that you would blaspheme the name of THE POWERFUL GOD by comparing Him to a Spaghetti Monster. I know, however, that His Blood can wash away all sins and that nobody can escape the Love of My Lord Jesus Christ. My Heart Weeps for you…But my Lord spills not only His tears, but His blood for you….
With Love In Christ Alone,
Brianna

223 Responses to “I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe”

1. 161 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:14 pm - Parmesan the Greated Says:
   
   

   @ for him
   how do you “know there’s a “god”, since it can’t be proven, your words, you chose to BELIEVE. I know I’m alive and I know I’m typing as are you. BUT you were taught to believe and convince yourself that YOU know there is a “god”. contradictions oh I love ‘em
   just like in the bible
   Ramen

2. 162 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:16 pm - Nick the Infidel Says:
   
   

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   Everyone here should listen to this, as it deals with education in America!
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   http://inc-omplete.org/digg/verizon.mp3
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   Download the file and listen (mozilla didn’t work for me?), its the funniest thing I have heard in quite a while!
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   Verizon operators and management don’t understand the difference between .002 cents and .002 dollars. Its almost painful to listen to but absolutely hilarious!

3. 163 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:16 pm - Mad John Kidd Says:
   
   

   for him

   My question is: which god do you believe in? Yaweh, Baal, Odin, Vishnu, Money, or a thousand others? And why is only yours THE god? Because some book said so? Guess what. We got a book as well. So there.

   RAmen

4. 164 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:23 pm - Parmesan the Greated Says:
   
   

   and as far as your “reasoning” for the universe, the explanation can be as simple as your own conserning “god”
   it goes like this
   “if god made the universe, who made god?”
   “no one god is and has always been”
   you can cut out the middleman and say
   “the universe has always existed”
   its true that current science points to a big bang beginning, but string theory (bless the noodly one) suggests that this may be the end of the last and start of this current cycle, and it goes on and on and on and on………………………….

5. 165 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:26 pm - Branded Cow Says:
   
   

   @for him: There are countless stars, countless planets, countless years, and countless number of chances for evolution to take affect(effect? I can’t get the 2 straight). I don’t see why pure randomness is not an answer. Perhaps God is nothing more than the concept of infinity, and our minds cannot quite graps this concept so have created a finite being to represent it.

6. 166 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:26 pm - Jingles Says:
   
   

   @For Him, you seem to believe that we are all closet theists.
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   You ask us to say the following to ourselves;
   “why do i stand where i stand in my beliefs in this world? I know theres a god, but i reject his love because i want to create my own thoughts and untrue beliefs about him”
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   The problem is, WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN A GOD. Hence, we do not know there is a god. We do however know there are a large number of incosistancies within the biblical text, and that if even a few of those stories are true, it is quite evident that god not only does not love us, but actually engages in a sociopathic relationship. We don’t reject his love, because HE does not exist.
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   “we all know thers a god, just look around you , the laws of science and space, the way a egg turns into a human, the emotions and the power are minds have to think so deeply on such matters….and then take all that and base it all on randomness”
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   Again, no one knows there is a god. People think they know, but they don’t. They believe. What to you seems the work of a god is to me the marvelous march of the laws of the universe.
   There can be nothing more beautiful then the simple elegance of the solar furnace, the rapid dance of the atoms, the great waltz of the planets.
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   We don’t base it in randomness. We base it in laws of physics, in observable phenomena and testable hypotheses. Science is a marvellous thing. I fail to see why so many turn their back on it.
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   Still, admittedly, not bad for a 14 year old, but please, to make a sweeping generalisation that we are all just in denial of ourselves is horrendously arrogant, and it would be a good idea to avoid this tactic in the future.

7. 167 - December 8th, 2006 at 9:41 pm - Parmesan the Greated Says:
   
   

   @for him
   MJK,BC, AND Jingles all made good points, any reply?
   Its still funny to me how people who believe in a deity are convinced that everyone else is agnostic and can’t seem to grasp the concept of atheism( no yaweh,allah,christ, whatever).

8. 168 - December 8th, 2006 at 10:55 pm - SaucyWench Says:
   
   

   @ for him - You said that you wanted to hear our views. Here’s mine. I believe that the Creator, if there is such an entity, is inherently ineffable. I think that religions are created by humans, and are a weak guess at what or whom may be at the root of the cosmos. I am prefacing my comments with “I think” and “I believe” because I have a right to do both, and I will not willingly give up those rights.
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   Deep down, when I ask myself what will happen when I die, I don’t have an answer. I highly doubt that homo sapiens has somehow, out of the infinite possibilities we could have settled upon, picked the exact form of the Creator to form a religion around. Do I believe in some force greater than myself, than mankind? Yes. I don’t know what it is and I don’t need to know. I don’t think it cares what I think: It just is.
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   I am a passionate, soulful person on a spiritual path of my own. As Martin Luther said when asked to recant his criticism against The Church, “Here I stand. I can do no other.” If I had to say I believed in your God to save the life of a loved one, I would say it, but I would believe it even less inside.
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   My “creator” lives in mitochondria. It is in the beautiful blue atmosphere of the Earth. I see it reflecting back at me when I look at pictures of the Whirlpool Galaxy. It is in my back yard. It is in this moment. It is in each breath.
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   Thank you for the opportunity to really think about what I do believe. As I’ve written this, I have become more aware that I’m not searching for something to believe in. I’m already here.

9. 169 - December 8th, 2006 at 11:22 pm - Mad John Kidd Says:
   
   

   Well said, Saucy.

   RAmen

   MJK

10. 170 - December 8th, 2006 at 11:25 pm - SaucyWench Says:
    
    

    @ MJK - Thanks. It seemed like an honest question that deserved a thoughtful and honest answer.

11. 171 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:10 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    your all in the same boat my brotha’s

    WE don’t create gods…..god. or ‘jesus’ thats my god by the way. created me. i don’t need proof to believe hes real and what hes done. i just look around me.look in my heart and soul….like i said before..we are all here…..so somehting created us, if we came from the moon or whatever peoople want to think. then who put the moon there, cause mankind had a beginning. so somethig started it. which …where the bible comes in…GOD created us. for his fellowship. you are not your own, we were all bought with a price.

    and ‘Branded Cow’…my answer for you is simple.you WILl be able to grasp it.( and i mean randomness as in..makeing something up) god would not NOT let us love him and try to understand him. read his book , might help explain better than i can.

12. 172 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:15 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    “Parmesan the Greated” - sorry, in my heart, i trust and believe god is there. ( he is ) so i say i “know” theres a god. soooooooooooorry about that little redneck msitake..im in the south ya heeeaaar

13. 173 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:25 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    ‘ SaucyWench ‘- you must understand the bible is not “made up”. God is supernatural or more…whatever..hes amazing.
    he speaks through us, like the 44 authors of the bible. he had them write the bible. the bible is a mircale by itself actually, it was written over 1800 years….and 44 differnt authors…yet the bible is all written like it was by one author.

    and you have a choice what to believe, depends how you and your consciece handle eachother. did one man write the bible? ot the bible is not real?

    i siad that about the bible cause thats what i believe and heared and scene..”evidence”…all the evidence about god makes scense. plus, the mircales that happen in todays time. even demonic possessed people..how do they live for months with NO FOOD!?!!?! takes something supernatural to do that in my heart. a demon. or satans angels.

    only my veiw about it all…i hope you all see the same. and chosening to ignore the bible and say its fake, then you wont get far in knowning god. you must have faith.

    heck. give god a try if you want. put him in a tube and shake it around. YOUR THE tube.

14. 174 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:27 pm - Dan Allen Says:
    
    

    Now “for him” is the real mcCoy - poor deluded Christian waiting to feel the warmth of the sauce on his noodly appendage.
    TLM should read “for hims” posts. Then he too might feel it.

15. 175 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:29 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    ‘ Parmesan the Greated ‘ _ you kind of answered your own thingy there homes. i don’t know, i was born in 1900’s. god may have just…always “been”.. and never was created. hes not human and hes more supernatural than im sure we can imagin..why not ask him?

    hes the holy spirit.

16. 176 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    and one more thing. i just believe he is there and he is real, even though i don’t know EVERYTHING you ask about him and what i believe and why. sorry.

    like in the USA. for who ever lives and knows the history.
    i never saw the civil war with my own eyes. never was in any of the battles….but i believe it was real. cuase of the “evidence” left from the civil war. i dn’t simply say thousands of people where made up and they all lied and never saw anything. my point , is its the same with god. you must have faith. there were alot alot alot of people who saw him and the mircales he performed. came from the dead after three days. all that…i CHOOSE to believe it. i don’t believe i was ” born and raised” to believe it. I MYSELF DOES…and shiiiiiiizzz ok then. say there is no god. and i die. i go nowhere i guess..just die…whatever…but if god is real, then i will be a believer and will go to heaven which is not sitting on clouds with harps. (read revaltaions).

    make a choice

17. 177 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:38 pm - for him Says:
    
    

    Dan Allen” awwww your cute

18. 178 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:44 pm - Alchemist Says:
    
    

    @for him.
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    How do we know that only 44 people wrote the bible? What about all the other authors who never made the final edit?
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    I don’t think the Bible is fake but are you sure it’s the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Not just the edited highlights according to The Church PLC? How would you know?
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    Indoctrination is a wonderful thing.
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    How do demonic possessed people live for months with no food (multiple ?!). Well …..I suspect they don’t (demons / no food - you choose).

19. 179 - December 10th, 2006 at 3:45 pm - Wench Nikkiee Says:
    
    

    @for him
    “make a choice”
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    I’ve made my choice. All hail His Holyness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
    RAmen

20. 180 - December 10th, 2006 at 4:05 pm - Wench Nikkiee Says:
    
    

    @for him
    ‘demonic possessed people..how do they live for months with NO FOOD!?!!?!’
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    Do they live without water too?

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