I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe

Published by henderob September 14th, 2006 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism).

I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe we were created by a flying Spaghetti Monster (considering both spaghetti and the idea of monsters are both products of man’s creativity and imagination), but were simply trying to make a point on how Intelligent design shouldn’t be taught in school.
That is why I am a little confused as to why you said, “I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them.” Unless you actually believe in the Spaghetti Monster (in which case I would have to consider you slightly loony until I’ve seen half-substantial evidence), this sentece goes completely against the point of your letter.
There are other logical flaws in the letter and your claims but I have a feeling there is only so much ground logic holds for you. I can simply pray. As a Christian, I am appauled that you would blaspheme the name of THE POWERFUL GOD by comparing Him to a Spaghetti Monster. I know, however, that His Blood can wash away all sins and that nobody can escape the Love of My Lord Jesus Christ. My Heart Weeps for you…But my Lord spills not only His tears, but His blood for you….
With Love In Christ Alone,
Brianna

223 Responses to “I’m fairly certain that you don’t yourself believe”

1. 61 - September 20th, 2006 at 11:18 pm - Matt Says:
   
   

   Brianna, you have completely missed the point of this site. We are only trying to get people to realize that science and religion should not be mixed, especially in a supposedly educational environment. Science and religion are simply two different ways of coming to the same thing. Some people like to believe because people tell them what to believe. Others like to believe because they have found out for themselves- merely a matter of personal preference.

   Personally, I prefer the latter.

2. 62 - September 21st, 2006 at 1:16 am - Tony Says:
   
   

   “(considering both spaghetti and the idea of monsters are both products of man’s creativity and imagination).”

   From this I am going to go ahead and assume you do not think that god is also a product of man’s creativity…and I feel this is a safe assumption. I feel that the idea of a god is just as much of a man made idea as the idea of monsters. I would actually go so far as to say the idea of god is MORE of a stretch than the idea of monsters.

   Answer me this: do you or do you not accept the religions of ancient cultures to be true? That is…do you feel that the Greek deity Zeus exists? Does the Norse deity Odin exist? Does the Egyptian deity Ra exist?

   You could answer this two different ways (possibly a third, which I will touch on): yes and no. The third way being no, but if those people believed then that is their thing. Any of these answers show flaws with your stance. Let me explain.

   Let’s say you answer yes. Well then, that makes you a person who DOESN’T believe only in the Christian god, therefore you’re not really a Christian at all and you’re simply mixed up and/or stupid. I don’t think “yes” will be your answer.

   Let’s say you answer no. In this instance you denounce the validity of any of the beliefs of the people of ancient cultures. To say they are all wrong is essentially

3. 63 - September 21st, 2006 at 1:25 am - Tony Says:
   
   

   (Uh oh….I accidentally hit “Submit” prematurely)

   …essentially say that all of these beliefs of the people of ancient cultures are man-made ideas and therefore are not what is real. If it were not for Europeans colonizing the earth Christianity, too, would have passed (hell, it still could, and probably will, in the future) would be generally thought of as “mythology.” There is positively no reason to hold faith in Christ and god as opposed to Odin or Zeus or Ra. The only reasonable answer is that all of these beliefs are incorrect.

   And finally, let’s say you answer the “no, but they can believe what they want.” This is basically just to say “My opinions are meek and unfounded and I cannot defend them at all.” Though it might sound a bit tyranical to some, I believe that leaving the door open to alternate opinions (in some cases permissible, in this case not) shows a lack of conviction and it does not represent true belief.

   There is more that I could delve into, but with Christians I’ve found it is best to pace myself. If I can’t even get them to self-examine in one area there really is little use in continuing elsewhere.

4. 64 - September 21st, 2006 at 3:57 am - TOMATOE the PROPHET Says:
   
   

   Like ALL religions this has NO LOGIC.It doesnt need any If we follow the rules of the other religions it doesnt need to be proved because the answer to every question is THIS:OUR GOD ____________ (fill in the blank, jesus, budda, alhah, aphodite, easterbunny, FSM or whatever) created everything that exist.Thats our proof!!Sound a bit like the 3 abrahamic religions to you???

   May i be embraced with the love of his noodly appendeges for all of eternity……..RAmen

5. 65 - September 21st, 2006 at 4:20 pm - sm Says:
   
   

   The moment you started using capital letters I stopped listening.

6. 66 - September 22nd, 2006 at 7:54 pm - DADABEN Says:
   
   

   Sarah looked upon herself in the reflection of a metal bowl of spaghetti. She saw herself, and the truth was Become to Her. Her vision, as brought upon by grog most fermented, left her with more questions rather than just simple answers. “I cannot believe,” she said, after waking up with a pounding headache, “what I saw last night. I cannot believe in a diety made of monstruous spaghetti, for those are the creations of man.” Her hand reached under her pillow. She pulled out a wad a spaghetti, with two meatball eyes, but leaving no stain on her clothing or bedding. At that moment, her hangover was gone, and she understood the true reality of the FSM.

7. 67 - September 24th, 2006 at 10:55 am - Vegos Says:
   
   

   Dear Brianna. Last time I checked, the idea of God was also a product of Man’s creativity and imagination. Now, being an atheist myself, believing there is NO ID WHATSOEVER; still; in case there was an ID behind all this I’d much rather have been created by the good-willed and tolerant FSM than by the vain and self-centered God. So yeah, go ahead and laugh at me once I burn in Hell - but until then, stop being a b*tch about it.

   But the way I see it, I’ll never burn in Hell, coz there’s no such place…

   SAME GOES FOR ALL YOU OTHER DOGMATIC PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR RELIGION (as for Pastafarians, I know one of your “I’d Rather You Didn’t’s” includes the point that Pastafarianism is not a dogmatic but a totally free religion - way to go, guys!)

   And a good day to you!

8. 68 - September 24th, 2006 at 10:11 pm - great gazoo Says:
   
   

   You’re only FAIRLY certain ??

   Have you not read anything on this site.??

   You’re a blithering idiot.

9. 69 - September 24th, 2006 at 10:16 pm - Starbuckaneer Says:
   
   

   Johnathan Swift referred to satire as a type of mirror in which the subject usually cannot see his reflection. Brianna, you’ve missed the point entirely. If you teach one crazy fake scientific theory, you’ve got to teach them all. It’s only fair. This one is just a lot more fun. It is rather ironic, however, that you are going to PRAY about OUR lack of logic. Prayer and logic don’t mix, honey. Praise on high to His Noodlieness. RAmen. Oh… and Arr! (Whar be me Frappuccino???)

10. 70 - September 24th, 2006 at 11:40 pm - Huigh Says:
    
    

    I’m having spaghetti tonight. Does this rate as a sacrament?

11. 71 - September 25th, 2006 at 7:37 am - icomeanon Says:
    
    

    Is your god not just a creation of man too? Why is your god better than my god, If you can create and believe in “christ”, then whats wrong with believing in a flying spaghetti monster. UD makes just as much sense as ID

12. 72 - September 25th, 2006 at 9:33 am - Bobby's last reply Says:
    
    

    It starts out like this, you wake up, same shit different day.

    Some one is going to fuck up your dreams cause it is the end days.

    So Bobby, pizza box left on the ground where I can see it,
    read DO NOT MARRY HIM HE IS AN ASSHOLE

    Some one with psychic ability, tell me which one he is?

    There are so many of them.

13. 73 - September 25th, 2006 at 1:55 pm - MrsChumphy Says:
    
    

    Excuse me, but there is no more proof of your god than there is of the FSM. Can I consider you slightly loony since you believe in something you have no half-substancial proof of? Oh, too late, sorry. I don’t care if you don’t think you need proof of his existance to believe, we would appreciate some before you come and slag-off ours, please.
    I would rather do good things and live my life not hurting people because I want to and because I think that is a nice thing to help people in need, rather than do it because I think some deity wants me to and because it might get me into heaven. If you want to believe something, fine. Just don’t try and force that belief on others, telling us that “Christ wants you to” because maybe we don’t give a toss. If we want to go to church or a temple or a shrine, we will, if we don’t, we won’t and we might appreciate it if you let us live our own way without interferrence.
    Oh and correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think your heart is an attribute of your god, and neither is the word weeps or the word love, so lay off the caps-lock, eh?
    Pastafarians don’t need to be prayed for, we have the pirates to protect us from harm, so please don’t waste breath.

14. 74 - September 25th, 2006 at 2:00 pm - Jennifer Says:
    
    

    I just had a thought (yes, I’m only capable of one at a time): Is there something innate in a religion, the “real” or “true” religions I’ll say to distinguish them from ours, that prevents one from having any sense or acknowledgment of sarcastic humor?

15. 75 - September 25th, 2006 at 2:07 pm - White Coat, Red Right Hand Says:
    
    

    I would say it’s not an innate trait of the religion, but rather in its mortal interpreters / purveyors … It seems like spirituality and a personal relationship with divinity has no outer component.
    /
    For instance, for long-suffering martyrs like Black Maria, they come seeking abuse so they can revel in the attention where they are abused and the praise and reassurance they receive from others. A sense of humor would merely dilute or otherwise nullify all this attention.
    /
    Have a bowl of belief, be at peace.
    RAmen
    //sÅŽsÅŽs\\

16. 76 - September 25th, 2006 at 4:17 pm - inchworm Says:
    
    

    Original poster-person: you started out pretty well, but the whole “my Lord spills not only His tears, but His blood for you…” … Come on! Who do you think you’re kidding? At a site where someone is besieged upon for saying something stupid, WHY WOULD YOU SAY SOMETHING SO STUPID??? I mean, acting like an arrogant idiot and flaunting you faith aren’t going to help… And since everyone who posts is going to deplore your comment for being as stupid as they think it is (which is pretty stupid) don’t bother posting. I really have no problem with Christians, piety, devoutness, whatever, but with people who have no respect whatsoever for all that you would probably do better to keep your mouth (or your keyboard) shut.

17. 77 - September 26th, 2006 at 3:32 pm - Starbuckaneer Says:
    
    

    Well said; I second.

18. 78 - September 27th, 2006 at 2:14 pm - Ncik666 Says:
    
    

    Wait I keep thinking this but haven’t put it down yet. Where the hell is all this blood coming from? I mean Blood this Blood that. This Christ guy must be a veritable blood factory! Maybe hes just taped to a wall and bleeds all his days away? Anyone have any ideas as to why?

19. 79 - September 27th, 2006 at 2:20 pm - Starbuckaneer Says:
    
    

    Maybe he just needs a good iron supplement.

20. 80 - September 27th, 2006 at 2:22 pm - Starbuckaneer Says:
    
    

    That’s what you get for eating fish and loaves all the time!

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