Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G.I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
The trend in all these e-mails seems to be that they assume we agree that Christ existed and that God is real. I believe I speak for every FSM adherant when I say that we do not; so it’s hardly convincing.
Think what you want about Jesus or God, but one FACT that is certain, and one person that DOES exist is this American Soldier. (Well, actually Sailor)…hehe Do you believe in us servicemembers???
Did he just assume we’re soldier haters?
’cause ya know, that just makes you look retarded.
This is why FSM is so much more believable. No one has ever *seen* God, or even a part of *God* — but pasta is everywhere! Whenever I see a box of angle hair or rigatoni, I know that I am in the presence of His Grace.
Okay the Jesus thing I kind of expected - the soldier thing was a little odd.
The soldiers are dying for our freedom, yes? Freedom as in, oh, I dunno, the freedom to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster if we want to? Your point therefore becomes null by means of your own “logic”. What do you think, that the soldiers are returning Jesus’ favor or something?
As a FSM (PBUTFSM) adherent since 2005, I forgive those who trespass against us with such misunderstandings. May the FSM enter their hearts and shine the Light of Truth upon them. Peace Be Upon The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
*PBUTFSM = Peace Be Upon The Flying Spaghetti Monster
See, the fact of the matter is, those of us who believe in God know that he is real, and the spaghetti monster is fake. And those of you who believe the spaghetti monster is real know it is fake, but you also know that God is real. So you can keep clowning around all you want, but those facts are certain.
“This is why FSM is so much more believable. No one has ever *seen* God, or even a part of *God* — but pasta is everywhere! Whenever I see a box of angle hair or rigatoni, I know that I am in the presence of His Grace.”
Posted by: Q | August 19, 2006 at 12:04 PM
So, no one has ever seen God, huh? Look at the stars in the sky, the whales in the ocean, or the sun setting in the west. Do you think some “big bang” made that, or a spaghetti monster made that? No, moron, it was God. Only God has the power to create such things. As for your idiotic “pasta is everywhere”, umm, dumbass, HUMANS make pasta.
“Did he just assume we’re soldier haters?
’cause ya know, that just makes you look retarded.”
Posted by: Just Nick | August 19, 2006 at 07:23 AM
Hey retard, wake up. You have war protesters pictures on your site. If you don’t support the war, you don’t support the troops. Get it, shithead?
re: Tyler.
The sun setting, and the stars in the sky do not prove the existance of god. It leans more towards proving the big-bang theory.
“If you don’t support the war, you don’t yada yada yada…”
How utterly typical of the neo-con machismo attitude. My tax dollars pay for those troops (including you, I presume), thus supporting them. I do not, however, support the dunderheaded decisions that lead us there, and keep us there. Smilin` George can say “everything;s okay, stay the course” `till he leaves office in 2.5 years, but his poll numbers say that americans are not that gullible.
Its pretty clear that Tyler is, I would estimate, a 14 year old who stumbled across the site.
“My tax dollars pay for those troops”
Posted by: Wulf | August 19, 2006 at 10:26 PM
I didn’t know they tax food stamps!?
“Its pretty clear that Tyler is, I would estimate, a 14 year old who stumbled across the site.”
Posted by: Lee Bruns | August 20, 2006 at 03:50 AM
No, dumbass, Tyler is in the U.S. Navy, and one of his jobs is protecting your freedom of speech. Even if that speech involves the ignorance of worshipping a pile of pasta, and trying to make a mockery of the almighty God. Grow up!
Not supporting the war equals not supporting the troops?
That is the biggest load I’ve ever heard in my entire life. Just because I (or anyone else) for that matter, doesn’t agree with the policy of this government does NOT, in any way, mean that I do not support my troops. They had no say in where they were going, and they didn’t choose to fight in the war. They were ordered to by the government. And if they signed on after we were already there, then I can respect that because they are out there fighting for something they believe in. I hope they all return home alive and well, and I wish no ill will upon anyone who would put his country before himself. I love and respect those who have the courage to fight, and am proud of the sacrifice they make, BUT that does not mean I have to agree with the war they are fighting. Just like Tyler protects my freedom of speech, I protect his, he can believe and think whatever he wants, and fight for this country. Just because I don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean I don’t support his right to do so.
So, do you get it shithead? Just because I don’t agree with what the U.S. is doing doesn’t mean I hate the troops/ don’t support the troops/ am a terrorist/ letting the terrorists win, etc.
And I’m sorry if you think we’re mocking your almighty god, but you come on this page and post statements mocking OUR almighty God. As a defender of free speech, you can say whatever you want, but please do not chastise us for doing something you yourself do.
“I didn’t know they tax food stamps!?”
har har har. What a lame attempt at derision. Let me try:
Well, then, perhaps you should listen when your welfare officer talks to the mother of your 1 child and the 6 that belong to various friends of yours.
“If you don’t support the war, you don’t support the troops.”
Then it must be so!
The essence of peace is loving humanity. So are you saying troops aren’t humans?
“No, dumbass, Tyler is in the U.S. Navy, and one of his jobs is protecting your freedom of speech. Even if that speech involves the ignorance of worshipping a pile of pasta, and trying to make a mockery of the almighty God. Grow up!”
Is it just me, or have the crusades in the holy land moved to america? If we point out how all religeons are flawed and that a flying spaghetti monster would make more sense, that means we need to grow up? I wouldn’t be suprised if this guy supports the Project for a New American Century( witch is just another right wing attempt to prove that america is the be-all and end-all of civilizations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_American_Century
(btw i’m Canadian, and i think american soldiers are either the good kind who don’t like war/protest the war but fight because they have too or the bad kind, witch are just chritian fundies and sadists)
As a former soldier (disabled vet), I feel compelled to acknowledge a flaw in the original argument. Among the freedoms soldiers have died to both protect and advance, is the freedom of religion. As unpopular as it may be, this vital freedom includes the fundamental right to believe whatever you choose, including non-belief.
Furthermore, what is especially troubling to me is that, more often than not, those people who invoke “soldiers died for you right to…” and thusly appropriate my years of service as a rallying point for their personal beliefs, have themselves never served in the military.
WPoFD is a hero in more ways that one.
Great points.
Methinks the 101st Flying Keyboarders are looking for a little target practice. Chickenhawks are always crap shots, though…
Funny: Orrin Hatch and Diane Feinstein say that GI’s die for the Flag. That’s why they’re tryng to take our constitutional freedoms away: to protect the piece of cloth the GIs are dying for.
Wish you nutjobs would get your BS straight.
Jesus didn’t stay dead. Many soldiers have fought and/or died for their county. I, for one, respect the soldiers who do fight for the freedoms on individuals, such as those who worship the FSM, God, or no supreme being at all; how can you be sure your right anyway?
I respect soldiers, and I respect Christ.
I respect the soldiers as heros.
I do not respect Christ as a savior, I respect him as a Jew.
What I don’t respect is asshole Christians like you speaking for your entire religion like a modern day ‘Christ pwns Your Soul’ crusade.
Thanks for you wasted time,
A Jew just like Christ
Yay! Random ‘My religion eats your religion or lack-thereof!’ arguments!
You know, it was Humans who created all forms of religion, great or not-so-much. They’re the ones who chose to see the world as the product of some super-intelligent, mega-powerful being. Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe?! God created the universe?! Allah did?! (Ok, i’m not sure on the Allah part ’cause I don’t know anything about what his followers believe in.) Anyhow, point being: Despite who you believe in, IT’S THE SAME DAMN THING. GET OVER IT.
I’m rooting for the old Greek Pantheon anyhow. I mean, Many Gods > Single God. =D
“So, no one has ever seen God, huh? Look at the stars in the sky, the whales in the ocean, or the sun setting in the west. Do you think some “big bang” made that…”
Posted by: Tyler | August 19, 2006 at 09:58 PM
Yes.
Unless of course you believe ‘brane theory, which is another possibility. There may be others I’m not aware of, but I’m a biologist, so I’m not very up on it.
I support our troops, well, all except for Tyler. I hope the Flying Spaghetti Monster removes his noodly appendage from atop Tylers head and allows his to float off into the ether. Tyler doesn’t deserve the FSM’s gift of gravity. Or his whales either, for that matter.
…plus, someone should tell Tyler that Jesus was a terrorist who came with a sword to destroy the dominant religion of his day… kind of like a Pirate but without the all important eye patch.
Short and sweet.
“Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G.I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.”
There is only one difference, one actually exists.
I support the troops, however I have yet to see any “freedom fighting” in Iraq. Terrorists that blow themselves up in the middle of a market have nothing to do with defending my and everyone elses freedom. I support the troops, I dont support the actions of the government.
I bring to you a radio clip.
“Jesus isnt real, he’s make believe!”
I always find these kind of comments which invoke the guilt attempt “Jesus died for you” amusing. Soo, we all have free will, but the roman soldiers had to nail Jesus up, because your God had to get killed by humans for you?
Wait, let’s fall back to that point. You had this wonderful living god wandering around, he got nailed up by some unbelievers, and you make the nailing a central part of your religion?
As Ghandi said “I like your Christ, but I don’t like your Christians: they are so unlike your Christ.”
Christ said love thy neighbour and died so people would follow his teachings. Your actions, and the actions of the majority of the “Christian” community, imply that you only care about being right. His teachings seem to mean nothing to you.
Actually, there are several. Christ died for my sins. The army dies for my freedom. My mom died for my childbirth. My would-be twin was aborted for my life. My sister jumped in front of a truck to save me. My dad took a bullet for me. An FBI agent was tortured o death and never revealed my location. Ronald Reagan died because I wished him to. My friend, Bruce, dyed his pubes for me. I started a cult and over 24 families drank the punch and died for me. Several baby cows died for my veal cutlets last night. Those baby cows’ moms died for the chair I’m sitting in. A horse died for the glue I sniffed last night. Several cats were killed to grease up the strings on my violin. A few deer have died purely for my entertainment.
So yeah… you can’t count.
God this, Jesus that.
What about the other religions?
What about the Buddhists? Are they wrong for believing in another God? What about the Hindus? Hell, the Aztecs? they didn’t know any better, either.
What makes one religion right over the others?
Here’s one: What if Christianity was the wrong religon? what if another religion was right all along, but Christians converted those believers? We would be screwed then, now wouldn’t we?
what i dont understand is why u think a monster made out of noodles made our fucking world i mean everyone had the right to believe what they want but what the fuck you are making a belief about how we are created by something that we created maybe im missing some vast infromation that would explain a god of pasta who created us and everything here
all i know is that were here somehow someway but how do u believe that your savior is a giant fucking pile of food its just a little fucked up to me
The Preambles of all 50 States Of The United States:
Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
Arkansas 1874, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
California 1879, Preamble . We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution…
Georgia 1777, Preamble . We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
Hawaii 1959, Preamble . We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance .. Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
Louisiana 1921, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty…
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble . We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .. In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ..
Michigan 1908, Preamble .. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble . We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution …
Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution .
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty
New York 1846, Preamble . We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We , the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble . Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty … establish this ..
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience…
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble . Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other .
Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God …
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties .. establish this Constitution.
After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!
Please note that at no time is anyone told that they MUST worship God.
“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.” - William Penn
GOD BLESS AMERICA
I DON’T SEE ANY SPAGHETTI MONSTER MENTIONED IN ANY CONSTITUTION! THESE ARE FACTS, PEOPLE.
Um…
YEA…
Why does the FSM have to die for us again anyways?
He could just wipe our sins away alone because he’s so powerful.
Ty…
just because your forefathers and decendents of european travellers wrote about god in their preambles for state constitutions doesn’t automatically mean god exists, or that your country is any better off for it…
history teaches us that people make mistakes - a lot of mistakes.
did you really think that taking all that time to write all of that (which i can’t imagine many people will bother to read all the way through) will convince pastafarians that the FSM doesn’t exist but your god does?
nope, that’s a very weak argument
try to think a little harder in future…
So if i form a nation and bless almighty FSM for our constitution of rights, does that mean that he automatically exists? ‘Cause that’s the same argument Ty presents to us.
@Fluge - Please learn what a parody is.
Now my rant:
I was raised in a Catholic house, and nowadays ask myself, why do these people use Christ as the example of today’s Christian thought??
Bluntly put, Christ’s (the historic figure, independently of wether he was divine or not) philosophy as we heard it is: “try not to be an a$$hole and help others when you can” how horrible that those who “follow” his teaching act totally opposite to that. Think of the Crusades, Witch Hunting, etc.
Also, I support my troops, I wish those guys were HERE protecting us and out of the unnecessary danger a megalomaniac government puts them in.
Read some Chomsky, how the propaganda creates arguments impossible to argue against like “Support our Troops”. How in the world can I express my support to the men and women in uniform without also supporting a warmongering and violent agenda? ANY opinion along those lines instantly is tagged as hippie, pinko liberal or worst, traitor.
Rant ended, Ramen.
oops, sorry Fluge, I agree with you :) I meant mikeydoherty’s comment.
“hippie, pinko liberal or worst, traitor.”
Posted by: Cynic | August 24, 2006 at 03:45 PM
Feeling guilty, huh? You are what you speak.
“Actually, there are several. My mom died for my childbirth. My would-be twin was aborted for my life. My sister jumped in front of a truck to save me. My dad took a bullet for me. An FBI agent was tortured o death and never revealed my location. Ronald Reagan died because I wished him to. My friend, Bruce, dyed his pubes for me. I started a cult and over 24 families drank the punch and died for me. Several baby cows died for my veal cutlets last night. Those baby cows’ moms died for the chair I’m sitting in. A horse died for the glue I sniffed last night. Several cats were killed to grease up the strings on my violin. A few deer have died purely for my entertainment.”
So yeah… you can’t count.
Posted by: Reed Braden | August 22, 2006 at 02:33 PM
Besides Ronald Reagan, no one mentioned in your post is a “defining force” Nice try, dipshit. So, stop making stuff up. No FBI agent was ever tortured to save you. Your dad did not take a bullet for you. And your mother certainly did not die at child birth. How do I know that? Well, she was with me last night taking it in the pooper…hard and deep.
True_patriot - You know,I always liked the words from Ed Harris’ character in “The Rock” that go something like: “Couple houndred years ago, few guys named Washington, Jefferson and Adams, were
branded traitors by the british…now they´re called patriots…in time so shall we!”
Besides Ronald Reagan, no one mentioned in your post is a “defining force” Nice try, dipshit. So, stop making stuff up. No FBI agent was ever tortured to save you. Your dad did not take a bullet for you. And your mother certainly did not die at child birth. How do I know that? Well, she was with me last night taking it in the pooper…hard and deep.
Posted by: right_again | August 24, 2006 at 11:36 PM
And why should we take your word for it little boy? It is so juvenile to use the oldest insult in the book of “…because she was with me last night” Oh smack down! I didnt know we were on an internet version of “Yo Mamma” perhaps if you could create a proper sentence, and a better vocabulary, then maybe you could actually create an insult that could hurt us. How old are you? 10? Watch it your mom might see what you are typing.
If you could actually read what that entire paragraph was about, you would realize that it was a metaphor for saying that there are much more people that have died for us rather than just the two mentioned in this idiotic e-mail.
Please get a different brain, your’s obviously isnt working to well.
~Allen
You know, “right_again” (how ironic a name that is), you’re only digging yourself a deeper hole every time you post. First of all, how can you dismiss a list like that because “none of them is a “defining force”" (oh, and I’d need an explanation of exactly what that is, thanks)? Secondly, what proof do you have that he’s making any of that up? It’s unlikely, but stranger things have happened. Oh, and lastly, claiming that you commited sodomy (hmn, isn’t that a sin in your religion?) with the mother of anyone you met a few minutes ago online not only establishes yourself as immature and an idiot, it also disqualifies yourself for any semi-intelligent argument. It’s worse than Godwin’s Law.
“sodomy (hmn, isn’t that a sin in your religion?)”
-secret
It’s only a sin for two men to do it, DUH!
/sarcasm
Yep. We can all tell you’re really mature, that you have to use the “Yo Mamma” argument. I really feel sorry for Christianity that immature brats like you are all that we have to represent them in this argument. Can we please get someone who can actually give a valid argument in here? I mean that vacancy still hasnt been filled, and I’m beginning to doubt if it ever will be…
Hello, Bobby & Commentators
I am both a Biochemist and a Christian, and I found your site funny and shocking.
(1)I do not believe my fellow Christians should worry about this website, because Jesus taught us as Christians to love our neighbors like we love ourselves, so why do you threat this man (Bobby) with hate ~ it is Jesus who is truth and it is he who will judge. FSM is not real.
(2)I feel that science and faith do not conflict each other. It is men who confict with each other. Science makes observations and proves if they are true or not true. Evidence has proven that the earth is not the center of the galaxy like first suggested by the church (men), and that life has evolved, …Darwin’s finches… (Amphibians evolved into Reptiles evolved into Birds) these are not just the “devil’s hoaxes”. The Holy Bible never said that man didn’t evolve from chimpanzes, it says that God created everything in the universe ~ so why didn’t he create space and the components of atoms… and those atoms joined together to form molecules, and those molecules formed together to form cells, and thus life, and that life evolved untill Adam & Eve were created… the universe is so complex and intrinsic, this is not an accident. What about the part in the bible that says man was created in 6 days, and on the 7th God rested? How can this be if Scientists say that from Carbon Dating that the earth is actually billions of years old, and we have evidence of dinosaur fossils. Does it not say in the New Testament that one day of God is not the same as one day to man.
But, beloved, be not ignorant
of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
~ 2 Peter, Chapter 3 - Verse 8
Christians practice faith. Scientists practice science. Science and Christianity does not conflict. Men conflict, because faith is not science.
(3) FSM is an propaganda attempt to debacle primarly Intelligent Design which I agree is not science, however FSM does go overboard in targeting Christianity ~ when it should focus on teaching people that ID should not be taught in the class room, as an alternative to evolution.
Tim, you have very good points. Thank you for being one of the few people that we have to look to as the voice of Christian reason, rather than Christian threats.
I agree with your first two points, however, the third point I might be able to help clarify a bit. As far as I can see, the FSM never originally targeted Christainity, but it was soon targeted after Mr. Henderson recieved so much hatemail from the more single-minded ones. And so many of the users insult Christianity because mostly the Christians we see around here think like the man in “Your god is a homo” post. If only there were more mature Christians like you around here, then I think that we would not in general target them so much, if at all.
Thank you for coming and proving that there are good Christains out there who arent obsessed with judging us all and “playing God” by sentencing us all to hell.
Um, for the person who wasted all that time putting up all the starting lines for each state should know something. When they wrote the word “god” they meant to emcompass all gods in all religions-not just the Christian God, therefore FSM was mentioned because FSM is the god of the pastafarians.
I have a serious question, if we’re all so misguided and FSM is so stupid then why do you waste your time sending in hate mail?
Ah, this is so that they look as if they “care” so that they score bonus points for the afterlife, or at least thats what they claim. Really it just shows that they really dont care about others at all that they cant just leave them be.
You people need to seriously take a step back and do some thinking about the whole premise of this site and it’s ideology.
I am a SSgt in the USMC and it is people’s right to say what they want. I am currently waiting to be deployed for my second tour in Iraq and I find this site refreshing. I know that deep down the people creating this site do not hate me, they simply do not agree the mission I am ordered to undertake. I respect their opinions, despite not standing on the same side of the sand line. It is your right, as Americans, to have opinions and to speak them. Let’s stop being ignorant and distastful and, frankly, childish about the whole “support” / “not support” our troops business. This site is about disagreeing with the topic of religion being taught in schools.
I happen to agree with what these people say on this topic. Intelligent Design is Creationism, regardless of what you call it. If it can be regarded as a science then so should the theory of the FSM. The point being made is this, FSM is as much bullshit as Intelligent Design. But, when religion is pressed into the heads of people from childhood it is very hard to avoid being brainwashed. If you look back in history– recent history–people have done some absolutly atrocious acts simply because it was the social norm… Example: Nazi’s and the Holocaust. Obviously the senseless murder of millions was wrong on every level but when the extremists gain power terrible things can happen.
Allowing one religious idea to be taught, regardless of whatever name you give it, is just the beginning. Intelligent Design is Creationism and it has no place in Public Schools. But, if the ultra idiotic right has its way? Soon that little thing called the constitution will be of little meaning, it might as well be toilet paper.
I just have to say this…
Here is one pastafarian FSM worshipper that is fighting for your right to teach false doctrine in schools and shove it down my kids’ throats. What makes you think you’re so special that the troops are dying just for YOUR OWN personal freedom??
Hey, Ty. Here’s what Thomas Jefferson had to say about preambles.
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
Reference to your god was specifically eliminated from preambles. I suggest you be more aware in the future.
Heh. I love these things.
Hey, “Ty”, I support the troops by NOT supporting the war - I’d like them to come home now, and in one piece.
I very much doubt you hold ANY job, let alone one in the service. If our troops spent as much time online as you do, we’d be doing a lot worse militarily than we already are.
I maintain that if you support the war, you don’t support the troops - you’re trying to get them killed.
sorry, Patriot, his mom likes sodomy but not zoophilia
only kidding…
I AM SICK OF ALL THE EXPLETIVES AND HATE HERE!!! WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!! ALL OF YOU “CHRISTIANS” DON’T EVEN FOLLOW CHRIST’S TEACHINGS!!! LOOK THEM UP IN THE BIBLE!!! YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON I AM AN ATHEIST!!!! AND THE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ ARE NOT DYING FOR MY FREEDOM! THEY ARE DYING IN IRAQ TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT AND OIL COMAPANIES RICHER!!! SO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU HATE MAILERS!!!
“Its pretty clear that Tyler is, I would estimate, a 14 year old who stumbled across the site.” –wulf
so? I’m only a few years older than that, and I believe in His Noodlyness
“I AM SICK OF ALL THE EXPLETIVES AND HATE HERE!!! WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!! ALL OF YOU “CHRISTIANS” DON’T EVEN FOLLOW CHRIST’S TEACHINGS!!! LOOK THEM UP IN THE BIBLE!!! YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON I AM AN ATHEIST!!!! AND THE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ ARE NOT DYING FOR MY FREEDOM! THEY ARE DYING IN IRAQ TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT AND OIL COMAPANIES RICHER!!! SO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU HATE MAILERS!!!”
You don’t have to read this then. these pages where made specifically for hatemail, so if you are here, you actually want to debate, or are like lots of the idiots here who have nothing better to do but make fools of themselves.
Well I’m just a crazy Iraqi war vet with a list of dead friends and a scientific approach to my beliefs. Let me help you all understand some of my crazy beliefs.
First of all, not every American military action is in defense of American freedom. More often than not, military actions are peacekeeping or policing actions. So while you should honor the selfless sacrifice made by the brave souls that are willing to put their lives on the line, you need not respect the orders given to them by a person they may or may not have voted for. I do support my troops but I don’t support some of our generals. So let us separate the men and the mission. If anything, you should admire the strength of those who continue on with a mission they think is wrong just because they want to keep their word. Don’t believe me? Check this out:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=802127968
Secondly, as a recovering Christian, I know the bible. I know the beliefs and I know how irrational they are. One would do well to purge himself of such handicap. In a spirit of hypocrisy, I will say that there is far too much going on in this world to waste your time posting responses to an obviously misguided lunatic with a wit far slower than his words.
Thank you,
Joe
Oh, by the way, Iraq doesn’t have any large bodies of water. What does that mean? NO NAVY! So unless you are a Sea-Bee, a Seal, a Corpman, or a Chaplin, you haven’t seen what Iraq is. Give me a call when you spend endless months walking IED infested streets with your fellow Infantrymen waiting to get blown up or shot.
Respectfully,
Joe
RIP Smith
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&n=2&videoid=undefined
If Jesus Christ died for my soul, then how come everything I do brings threats of Hell from Christians?
Hell, (no pun intended) if God hates everything I do so much, I don’t want to go to his Heaven anyways.
His ’son’ died for our sins, but if we sin, we are still in trouble.
What if God impregnated Mary so that when everyone found out about it, they would try to kill her, so God would have no worries. Then Jesus was born, and he didn’t die for our sins, but because God wanted us to think that; he was really trying to get an illicit son off of his hands.
“A true patriot loves his country all the time and his government when they deserve it.” - Mark Twain
To Joe and the SSgt - Thank you for both your service and your words.
while we’re on this topic; i’m canadian. our taxes go to supporting OUR troops to help YOUR troops because there are people like the poster who agree with the war; which could’ve been georges fault in the first place! if you want george to kill of all of your troops, and ours, you’re support is really helping.
so far no GI has died for my freedom
and i’m sure that there is no evidence that some guy named jesus from the town of nazareth existed
much less that he died for my soul and then came back to life
“and Vin Diesel so loved the world that he gave it his only son: Superman”
“And those of you who believe the spaghetti monster is real know it is fake, but you also know that God is real.”
Hmmm…I didn’t know that I knew that God is real, but now that I’ve been told, I guess I do.
Oh, wait. Nope. Still not real.
I just celebrated 21 years in the US military, the same day my wife celebrated 2 (yes, she started late). I don’t see any doctrine of the FSM that opposes us, or our service. Nor do I respect the attempt to persuade me by stereotype that as an American I must believe in God (Which I don’t) and support the war (Which I do) and hate science (Which I don’t).
The ultimate irony is that, if there is truly no God, Christians won’t have a chance to feel stupid about it when they die and nothing happens.
Jesus died for hollywood hahaha.
So directors could make money with movies like ‘Jesus christ super star’!! (movies about Jesus are stupid)
“Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G.I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.”
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I have heard something similar before, oh yeah that was it, the 9/11 bombers said something along the same lines. They were dying in Gods honor to show people the light and evils of the west so as to save their souls.
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Jesus never died for me or you, in fact there is very little evidence that Jesus was actually alive or a real person.
Also, considering tha a good number of non-americans are active on this site, it’s a little presumptious to say that only american GIs have ever died for our freedom. not to sound too much like an arse, but america was late to join both world wars.
(note - i am not condoning world wars here)
What if we’re not American?
Think. The United States is not an island in an endless sea.
“What if we’re not American?”
Is that even possible? :P
May all these non-believers be graced by His Noodly Appendage. ;D
Now now,
I think we’re doing Tyler a disservice here. I mean he’s only using the argument that organised religion has used for centuries - people died to protect *my* right to try and repress *you* from expressing the same right. It seems somewhat hypocritical, trying to use the freedom that those soldiers died for to try and repress that freedom.
Of course, this is the stated goal of the people that the soldiers are dying to try and defeat. They want to stop you from believing in your God, instead you must believe in theirs. Sound familiar anyone?
On the other hand, I have to disagree with WPoFD. I doubt anyone (with a brain) thinks that the separation of church and state is anything but a good thing.
Big respect to Staff Sgt Snieder - brilliant post, and I agree completely.
Scotty (first post!)
@Tim Montague.
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Whilst I appreciate that humans all have their very own foibles, I worry about your scientific training when you so clearly fail to self-apply. For example, you believe in the existence of the Krebs cycle because of the positive evidence presented for it. You fail to believe in the millions of other possible cycles out there because of a *lack of evidence presented*. Quite simply, a good scientist should utilise Occam’s razor to its fullest, and believe only that for which evidence exists.
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There is not, and can never be, empirical evidence for God, thus the ONLY rational recourse should be disbelief. You got your PhD, as I got mine, from a university. I put it to you that Universities and Academia can never be anything but diametrically opposed to organised religion. Academic endeavour is an attempt to elucidate truth, without any pre-conceived notion of what that truth is. Religion seeks to shoe horn any non-contradictory facts to suit its preconceived notions, and to reject the ones that do contradict it.
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May the FSM guide you to a greater understanding,
RAmen
Scotty
I’ll keep my soul AND freedom with the FSM, thank you very much