Oh, dude, I need some crates for those Hippos that are always running around in my house…. bitches have ADHD

I’m not condemning anyone. My job as a soldier in God’s army isn’t to condemn, but to reach out… build relationships and show to people that there is more to this Jesus guy than just a story etc. (i.e The Gospel)

And I’m not going to say who God will condemn… it’s not my place. But I’ve come to the point in my walk where I’ve said to myself: I’ll either believe that the Bible is the complete, accurate and truthfull Word of God or nothing at all. And after doing enough personal research my realist mind was satisfied enough to take the leap of FAITH and believe.

And yes it is sad. But many/most people will not enter the Kingdom of God.
Is it wrong? It is ‘wrong’ for us to sin. If that isn’t true… define wrong. Or has wrong only existed after we evolved enough to construct social networks?

So if we have wronged God and haven’t somehow made it right… wouldn’t he punish us? I doubt the majority of this world are perfect. In fact I can only recall one person ever being perfect…. no brainer: Jesus - was I there? No - read my second paragraph.

Sin! But does it matter if we are sick in our little 80 year struggle? ETERNITY IS THE REAL LIFE GOD HAS GIVEN US.

Hmm…. 80 vs ETERNITY

Why would Eternity be any better? or perfect? Satan will no be there. We will have no sin… not even a stain of it!

If you are going to hate God because you were born deformed, sick, ugly (by social standards), poor or whatever your situation isn’t going to improve much after you die here.

And you won’t be deformed in your eternal body.

Oh boy… I bet I’m gettin unpopular with you guys now!

Mc

So, what you are saying is that, in believing in a heartfelt way in christianity, you are denying that I will go to hell because are not christian. Denying one of the tenets of Christian belief that has been around for…i don’t know how long…of course constitutes belief and generosity.

However, sounds like you are a reasonable person, so I’ll just say that, from my perspective, Christianity condemning the majority of perfectly good human beings to eternal damnation simply because they don’t practice, or believe, in Christianity is wrong and sad.

Another Jewish Guy

=D

Good thanks, and yourself?

Well… what is mutation? To kill what you have posted, genetic mutations in ALL cases observable is the loss (what? THE LOSS) of genetic information. Yet you are claiming that that this is one of evolutions mechanisms.

Mutation = degeneration… not evolution.

Look guys, we can look at the same data - but if we have different presuppositions we will come to different conclusions. That’s how it is.

I can’t prove God. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction onto our hearts and breaks down our walls of sin that stop us from believing. I’m not perfect… I sin… everyday. Yet it is through the blood of Christ that I KNOW that when I am judged, I will still be given eternal life.

God is real to me, because I have seeked Him. I was in knee deep crap… many people are off way way WAY worse than I was… but God made a PERSONAL difference in my life when I accepted Christ. I used go clubbing, do drugs and hate everyone and everything - I was a real shmuck.. I’ve had my personal testimony and can’t explain it fully… but I am so blessed now.. i’m 20, getting married to an amazing Godly girl in 19 days.. finished uni.. and want to extend the Kingdom of God as this is what I have been commanded to do. And I feel [almost] as clean as a whistle.. yet I will try my best to not sin as this pleases my heavenly Father.

If you are not going to seek… no scientific data will prove God. But I think we all have something in us saying that the ’sinfull’ things we are doing is ruining something part of our most inner-being. And I believe this is because we are made in the ‘image of God’… yes yes I know… how do you interpret that one… not today tho folks.

People like evolution - I think because then we don’t have these moral obligations.. Sex drugs and rock’n'roll peoples!

And yes ‘Noodly..?’.. unfortunately Christians are so devided and hipocritical. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t the sincere biblical representatives of the faith. It is because of these christians and their behaviour that the whole group of Christians get put into this box called “two-faced liars”. We aren’t all like that. I mean we are all liars.. who hasn’t lied? But they are what I call sunday christians who unfortunately have never realy understood the fullness of God and what he has done and promises to do.

Anywho… all I can say really is seek… seek sincerely.. and you WILL find! He has promised that to us. How long??? In God’s timing not ours. After we are ’saved’/forgiven we can’t do what we want. If you read the scriptures God has gives us responsibilities to fill when we accept the sacrifice of Jesus

OOH… and the other post… to be honest… I would LOVE to have coffee with a Muslim. I have great respect for them. Many of them are very open to scripture and may not agree with you.. but will have friendly discussions about it.

The major people group I dislike [unfortunately] is the Queer groups… this isn’t what I am meant to be doing. But it is a struggle I have. God is good… Christians can be misled and often are.

What?? A Christian being honest??

My ‘rant’ is done.

interesting theory. however, from what i understand (please do correct me if im wrong) If God was the judge, and the murderer confessed all of his sins, he would be forgiven and go to heaven…

interesting story: Adolf Eichmann was put on trial in Israel, and he was convicted of many crimes, and put to death. afterwards, the priest attending him in his final days was interviewed. he said, sadly, that Eichmann had not accepted God, but if he had, he would have gone to heaven, despite his crimes. when asked about the millions of Jews who were Eichmann’s victims, the priest replied, i imagine they are burning in hell right now.

just goes to show-why believe in a religion that condemns all peoples who dont believe the same to everlasting torment?

I can do whatever the hell I want!!!

Right?

Because then I’m “saved.” And let’s face it, once I’m saved, I don’t have to worry about one single thing I do. Why? you may ask… well, because “god is a forgiving god.”

Wow. The world would truly be a great place if everyone believed that.

Oh and the same appiles for doing things in the name of god. Like Holy Wars. Totally God-Approved. Because man is never wrong in interpreting the “word of god.” Terorists believe they are doing the work of god. I’m pretty sure any Christian you talk to on the street hates them.

So get a sense of humor, and quit thinking your way is better than my way.

(By the way, Christians scare the bejesus out of me.)

I don’t understand how people can believe there is some all-loving god that would send you to Hell if you don’t make some ridiculous declaration. I wouldn’t send someone I love to be tortured for all of eternity. Hell is just a glorified time-out to manipulate people into oppression via fear.

Ramen.

Anyway, Aaron, the bible is chock-ful of BS. You believe it, along with a bunch of other people who were shortchanged on repetitions of the ‘critical thinking’ gene in their DNA. I’m sorry, but even though you really really really really want it to be true, the evidence indicates that it is not.

I, however, would like to extensively tour and explore workings of a beer volcano and a stripper factory, so FSMism is the winner!

I knew about the Council of Nicea (where the Nicene Creed comes from) before the DaVinci Code (a book and movie that I have yet to read or see…) ever came out!
This information was known before any book or movie, but sometimes it takes a book or a movie to bring the information to the publics’ attention.

As for the following…
“The Bible is literally true (6 day creation and all.. I mean all)”

DaVinci Code is not a history text book… but the Bible is…???

Before you put all of your eggs in one basket, understand that the Holy Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation of oral stories! I personally believe that any sort of faith must be established by knowing and understanding as much of our world as we can, and then STILL choosing to believe in something. I have a friend that was born and rasied completely Christian. Without knowing any other religion, how can she be sure that she is a real believer in God?!
Maybe she would make a better Taoist or perhaps Muslim? Who knows such things when people keep themselves convinced that a single book, written by man is the ABSOLUTE truth?!

I admire what is being done with this Flying Spaghetti Monster website. (I just learned about it this morning…) This is a good critique on Theological logic and reason. But most importantly, I believe it promotes focus on very important issues that people tend to forget or ignore. People forget that there is a huge world, with literally thousands of religions and variations. And here people talk about God as if they have seen and understand all of them! There are gods, Jesus, Yaweh, Allah, Vishnu, Shiva, Agni, Athena, Zeus, Odin, Loki, Quezecotl, (and now FSM) etc… and then there are teachers and prophets, Mohommed, Buddha, Confucius, Lao-tzu, Osho etc…

How can someone who takes the Bible as 100% truth and all else as pure nonsense possibly understand what is going on with only 1% of the picture visible?

- Hakseng (The Student)

You have to understand that I see your heaven as just an obvious mind-deadening and mind-controlling bribe that never has to be paid.

That’s the difference here, isn’t it? I have no fear of death, but you won’t accept the concept. Understand that superstitious beliefs do not solve real world issues.
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Crishna was not born of a virgin (miraculous birth, not born from the seed of man). Crishna was not perfect. Crishna did not perform miracles. Most importantly Crishna did not triumph over death, as did and does Jesus. That’s the difference here. :)

I have no fear of death either, but I do have a fear of seperation from God and from the love of God. If you knew this love you would understand. But see… you all dismiss it out of hand without really seeking it.

You say you seek it, by using your eyes for a few minutes, and saying it isn’t there. But if you truly sought with your heart, (not fooling yourself, or trying to fool God or others), you would find something.

Matthew 7:8 (KJV)- ‘For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.’

I also know what you’re going to say ‘Did you see him rise from the dead’?

Well… did you see the American Revolution? For that matter, did you see the big bang?

Seeing isn’t everything. When it comes down to the christian v/ atheist argument, that’s the problem. The christian life is a life of faith (believing without seeing), while atheism is just the opposite, not belieivng without seeing. Atheists are nothing more than those without faith, by definition.