Hey, I was you website though a form that was arguing Christians vs evolution. Then someone said what about FSM and we learned of your weird clan thing. I went to you “hate mail” section and was sadden by what some people said and how they displayed Christians as Hippocrates. But, I’m hoping you put me into your “hate mail” except this is more of a love mail letter. Knowing you will make fun of this and maybe mess with words I will say what I have to say. When I was looking though your site I literally started to tear up thinking of what you guys are doing and how you are mocking God. because I know that if you were to die today that you would all go to hell. unless at one point you declared Christ as your lord and savior. I just want to say i guess is that God loves you no matter what and that I will pray that you may come to accept Jesus in your heart and I know that this will most likely not effect you but, I had to try so God-bless and keep you safe and out of harm and remember no matter how much you hate him he loves you two times as much :)
PS email me if you put this on your site (and pirates are awesome) -Erik Jackson
So is it ok for us to declare Christ as our lord and saviour even if we don’t believe?
Surely if God loved us no matter what then surely he wouldn’t allow us to be sent to hell. Just read the first I’d really rather you didn’t!
I love the way they’ve invented this imaginary ‘Hell’ place and then expect us all to buy into it.
I refuse to share your guilt and your delusions. But hey, good luck with that, mm-k?
Displaying Christians as Hippocrates… I can’t tell if that’s a playful rhetorical device, attempted irony, or successful ignorance. But I imagine Hippocrates would be none too pleased about it.
Sorry, you failed. I don’t hate God; why hate something that doesn’t exist?
Ah… hell… the place that the God who loves us unconditionally stops loving us because we failed to meet certain conditions—like being a Christian. And, this is for all of eternity! Christianity and all religions like it (which damn nonbelievers to hell) are a joke that would be funny, except too many idiots believe them.
I want a hippocrate!
Surely it would be big, and cratey!
I know I’m going to Hel.
Hel, who the christians stole and turned to Hell was an ancient goddess of fire, and when he followers died, they went into her warm womb for eternity.
But since pagans are evil, it’s obviously a horrible place. (And notice how it went from being controlled by a woman to a man.)
I’m sorry, I just can’t read something that has so many grammatical errors in the first three sentences. First rule: if you want credibility for what you’re saying/selling, be or at least sound as educated as your audience. I give this paper an F.
I’m sorry, I just can’t read something that has so many grammatical errors in the first three sentences. First rule: if you want credibility for what you’re saying/selling, be or at least sound as educated as your audience. I give this paper an F.
A god who sends finite beings with no conception of the infinite to infinite torment for finite sins is infinitely unjust.
Your god is infinitely unjust.
My God doesn’t believe in Hell. It belives in Beer.
And Strippers.
Yay, God! Ramen!
Brakes please, did you not just say
(First and only reaction to the part of God loves you, but your going to hell.)
“Because I know that if you were to die today that you would all go to hell.”
because that seems like saying
“There is a god that will send you to an everlasting torment and death, but he loves you.”
Now dont get me wrong but not following God or Jesus but being a good person everywhere else will send you to hell where you will be tortured for eternity, seems a bit harsh does it not?
Lets think about this logically for a second, in the Torah it explains a hating and jealous god. And in the bible it explains a hating and jealous god, but he loves you. Contradiction? I think so.
Now lets take another look at Hell as a whole, why would anyone be sent to an everlasting torment, forever and ever, for not following god? That pisses me off, and its not fair in the least bit.
~Allen
You were doing well up to ‘how you are mocking god.’ Isn’t god supposed to be forgiving? And why are we Jews supposed to accept Christ as our savior?
- With lots of compassion,
A Jewish Guy
P.S.- You displayed yourself as a stereotypical Christian hypocrite right there. Have fun dealing with that moral blow!
A “Love mail” letter in which you clearly (with shocking grammar) tell us several times that we’re all going to hell… Uh isnt that a bad place or something?
I actually believe very much in God (although I fail to see why He categorically couldn’t have created evolution… But who really cares what I think because as a Catholic, I’ll be burning in hell with the rest of you), but HOLY CRAP!
It does *not* help the God-believers’ cause when we are being represented by dumbass illiterates such as the OP. Does he also not beleive in using the most basic rules of English grammar (proper sentence structure, punctuation, capitalization, etc) or Spellcheck?
Hey it’s the Jewish kid again! Back doing his concerned Jew thing.
FSM is mocking ‘Intelligent Design’, which was made up to teach in schools because of seperation of Church and State, meaning that FSM is not mocking g-d (I refuse to use his name in a manor like this, ’tis the way of the Jew), it’s mocking the religious nutcase who came up with the idea to teach ‘Intelligent Design’ to be taught in school instead of g-d. There. We shall not be damned on this day! Nor any day in the afterlife as a matter of fact!
Jews Rule!
~The Jewish Kid
I was you website too. Pirates are awesome (Pirates are Christians, aren’t they? Oh they must be, they are awesome). How many Pirates can you fit into a Hippo crate? A lot, I’ll bet.
Literally tearing up here.
“HIPPOCRATES” is an anagram of “CHOP PIRATES”.
So, if you look very closely at this message (in the same way that people have been poring over the Bible for centuries in an effort to find something that will support their own world view), it is clear that this person, despite his expression of love, wants to cut the followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster into small pieces.
Beware. He probably has significant numbers tattooed on his scalp.
Does Jesus have a beer volcano and a stripper factory in his heaven?
(WARNING: IF YOU ANSWER NO TO THIS QUESTION WE WILL NOT CONVERT!)
___ Yes
___ No
Please check the appropriate box.
Meh. I suspect the literate Christians are the ones who are smart enough to realize that an anonymous note threatening us with hell isn’t going to send us in droves to the nearest church. Maybe that’s why all the received mail is so… lacking in basic grammar, spelling, sense, etc.
There are three t-shirts on my “To Buy” list:
1) I found Jesus. He was behind the sofa the whole time.
2) I taught your girlfriend that thing you like.
3) He’s your God, *you* go to hell.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Hell is real. So’s heaven. God isn’t so much concerened with those two things though. He’s concerned about your life now. I’m not going to say “repent now, lest you be lost to the fire of hell forever.” Not for me to judge. I do think God has a sense of humor, and that FSM is probably cracking Him up right now. As for intelligent design, it’s crap. God made it. You can throw a bunch a fancy words into the mix, but it all boils down to that. And if you refuse to say that in your theory, then it holds no weight. As for evolution, the only question I have, is why, if we’ve done so much evolving, is there not a single fossil that is in that process of change? All the “scientific record” is is a bunch of bones that are like a stone path. I choose creation because it’s concrete. It says God made it, and it was good. I can live with that simplicity. I truly hope you all find what you are looking for, and if that is a beer volcano and stripper factory, then so be it. But be prepared to take responsibility for yourself, should you be wrong. I’ll do the same if, on the day I die, I find myself at the gates of spaghetti.
“I choose creation because it’s concrete.”
I have given this statement a lot of thought, and yet I still cannot make up my mind wether to counter it with ridicule or reason.
Well played, sir.
“As for evolution, the only question I have, is why, if we’ve done so much evolving, is there not a single fossil that is in that process of change? All the “scientific record” is is a bunch of bones that are like a stone path. I choose creation because it’s concrete. It says God made it, and it was good.”
Umm…Damn Son you really have no idea of how evolution works do you? First off evolution is a constant process of gradual change but mostly it is not. The most drastic changes come over the period of a few centuries or even a single generation. The process of change usualy isnt gradual. So this proof (not a single fossil that is in that process of change)you are looking for may not exist for two reasons. Fossils are rare you may be talking about a fossil showing a specific mutation that living animals only had for perhaps a few hundred years. Your discounting that is like me saying on my block there is a 1984 Ford Car and a 1986 Ford Car. But there is no 1985 Ford Car there fore there never was a 1985 Ford Car. Actualy your arguement is more like because there is no 1985 Ford Car on my street neither Ford nor Cars actualy are real. Expecting a year by year fossil record shows how little you understand about the earth your god created. If the fossil record had one fossil from every 1000 years palentologists would be blissful.
The other reason your demand for a single fossil that is in that process of change is unreasonalble is that sometimes evolution may not work like that. There may be no process of change. The parents are of one varity and the offspring are of a different varity. If the change was of an imediate varity the creature in the process of change never existed and therefore could never leave a fossil. This kind of viable mutation (evolution?)can be shown in a labratory setting.
“All the “scientific record” is is a bunch of bones that are like a stone path. I choose creation because it’s concrete. It says God made it, and it was good. I can live with that simplicity.”
You discredit the scientific record because it is nothing but a bunch of bones and there is nothing concrete about it. Ok I might be able to give you that. Unfortunatly you go on to write, “It says God made it, and it was good.” And that is also all the proof you offer. By “It” I assume you mean the bible. Ok fine you have a book saying god made it. I would not hardly declare that as concrete evidence. A book that existed only has oral history and scatered scroles until 325 when the First Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church was held in Nicaea. Your faith may be concrete but your evidence is not. I am glad you find it simple. Which is unfortunate because faith is about questioning and exploring the mystery which is never simple. I guess simplicity for simple people. I have wondered off topic and just become insulting back to the topic…You say sience is not concrete and all it has is bones. Where are the bones of Adam and Eve? Where are the bones of John the Baptist? Where are the bones Pontias Pilot? Where are the bones of Abraham? If bones are the ultimate proof for the past existence of something I submit that these people never existed. Kind of an eronious arguement dont you think.
Now my disclaimer I believe in god and that god created people threw evolution. ID should never be tought in a science class. ID is theology and suitible for a theology class not science. A creative intelegence is THEOLOGY and NOT SCIENCE. Keep ID out of our science and bio clases.
If Pastafarians should go to Hell (according to Erik), I’d hate to see where Christians go. Jesunderworld. Yep, Jesunderworld, where the Christians can finally admit that they think Jesus is better than G-d.
the ultimate irony is that there is no need of defense. My faith is simple, but my relationshsip to God certainly is not. I believe becasue I want to believe, and what I believe. You believe what you want to believe. No one can change each others minds, so there is little need of bickering over the way life turned into what it is today. I wasn’t trying to discredit evolution. I was simply stating why I choose God instead. And I agree. Intelligent design should not be taught. Chrurch and State, and what not…I may be the only Christian who thinks that, but the simple truth is faith is something for the individual person to come to or deny.You are responsible for the life you lead. Free will…it’s a bitch…that’s why there’s so many churches out there who want to control it. The simple fact is that God loves you, even if you hate Him. Try wrapping your head around it…I know I can’t. That’s why it’s faith. This life is too short to spend hours on the internet arguing between apes-to-humans or God-breathed life. The bigger discussion should be: why spaghetti and not lasagna?
Josh, if you are really genuinely interested in transitional fossils, here is a very good link.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html
As a younger woman in Christian school, I, too, was taught that transitional fossils just don’t exist. And, you’re right - if evolution is real, there must be some somewhere. I was furious when I grew up and found that there are many, many well-documented transitional fossils. I don’t know how to explain the Christian textbooks that claim otherwise - they are either misinformed or lying.
Don’t take my word for it. There are plenty of resources devoted to transitional fossils. Definitely take time to check it out. It’s very fascinating. I don’t believe in GOd, or at least not your God, but you seem like a kind polite person, so may you receive the blessings you deserve from whatever God you favor. :)
hey thanks. Nice to know we don’t have to be asses to one another and not agree. Good luck finding the truth you pursue as well.
http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/1120.html
there…..i feel good now.
George Carlin is funnier. For the record, I do believe that dinosaurs existed. As for when, I really don’t care. It could have taken God a few(hundred) million years to work that all out…I’m just saying it’s easier for my simple, human brain to process that we did not, in fact, evolve from primordial goo. Whenever I think about evolution and survival of the fittest, I always wonder this: why is it we are the only animals on this planet to develop technology that goes beyond poking at anthills with sticks? Why is it we, as a race are the only ones who kill just because we can? What is it about us that makes us so full of hate? If not sin, what? It’s there. Nobody can deny that people as a whole treat other people like shit…or at the very least, an inconvenience. Why, if there is no God, or if we are simply the strongest survivors of ancient battles with nature, are we the only ones on this planet that care about whether or not there IS a God? Just a few questions that I ponder from time to time. I have no answers for them. I just like to think about them, ya know?
Tell god to tell noah to put the hippocrates back in his ark
Hey, Josh, that ‘kill because we can’ thing. You ever owned a cat? They kill for fun. As for the hate, most of the haters also have faith. Hitler was Catholic, you know. Yet atheist Bill Gates runs one of the biggest charities in the world.
Go figure!
okey i belive in Jesus and i am christian ok u ppl dun believe i wont force u to but still i dun think u should mock though i definitely believe in darwins theorey of evolution but hey its just me, all im satying is dun mock k ?
ty
2 minute noodles rock
that guy from there u kno……
I’ve never seen so many spelling mistakes in so few lines as in the post above me…
Wow!
I believe that was a joke post, matey: no one who spells that badly could get the anti-spam code right when posting…
Another Christian who refuses to truly acknowledge Jesus’ teachings of tolerence, peace and forgiveness.
By threatening us with going to hell you are spitting upon the core of all of Jesus’ teachings, “Love Thy Neighbour.” If you truly loved your neighbour, you wouldn’t have the sinful urge to cast down his beliefs. Would leave him go about his way, even if you think he is wrong.
FSM isn’t mocking God, it’s mocking a round about way of forcing a religion to be thought in schools, which is illegal in your country. People like you are the ultimate arguement that ID shouldn’t be thought in schools, at least if you’d shut up they could claim it was somehow scientific rather than a sneaky way of forcing your beliefs on people. It is clear that you are willing to go out of your way to force people to your point of view, even if it means breaking the law. Do you think Jesus would look favourably on someone whose life is dedicated to telling his neighbour that he is wrong and will be tortured in a firey pit for all eternity?
You make me sick, faux-christian. I wish that people like you would stop giving real christians a bad name. If you ignore the fundementalist nutjobs, Christianity tries to teach a good message. If there were more real Christians around, the world would be a true Utopia.
I believe in Jesus… and the FSM… Jesus is human, humans are meat, the FSM has meatballs, it’s quite obvious! The FSM’s meatballs are Jesusmeat!
My thoughts exactly.
Keep up the good blogging.
-Sean
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“All my music is free.”
I wonder why Christians are so upset about evolution being taught in schools in the first place? From what I’ve been reading in this thread, Christians don’t really seem to know anything about it anyhow. This tells me that either:
A - Public schools aren’t doing a good job of teaching evolution.
B - Christian’s are really bad at retaining scientific information and understanding “scientific” theory, or the very definition of the word “scientific.” (this actually explains quite well why Christians don’t want to have to learn about it.)
or C - Christians are superior, extra-intuitive creatures, with no need for science, and absolutely all the answers to everything inbedded in their minds by Jesus.
Judging by the hate mail, and how gracefully and intelligently it was delivered, I’d have to say that the C option is pretty unlikely.
Ah… WE LOVE YOU TOO, ERIK JACKSON! I hope everything works out for you, in this life and in whatever happens to you after it. We all want to reduce suffering in the world, we just have different ideas about how to do that.
And just so you don’t assume I’m nothing more than a flaky hippy (because I’m so many other things in addition), I ASSURE you that if you cut me off on the highway I’d STILL flip you off. WITH LOVE.
LOVE,
THE ATHEIST COMMUNITY
“All the “scientific record” is is a bunch of bones that are like a stone path. I choose creation because it’s concrete.”
I’ll take an old incomplete (but real) stone path over a yellow brick road that only exhists in fantasy lands like Oz and the new testament’s version of heaven.
Pastafarianism is just the neatural evolution of religion…
Step 1: old testament/tora, no description of heaven.
Step 2: new testament, gold streets and choirs.
Step 3: Islam, a bunch of virgins.
Step 4: FSMism, stipper factory.
I have to take exception to all the people who claim that a ‘loving’ God would not let people be sent to Hell. Understand this from the day you were born, because you were born a sinner you were on your way to hell.
So the loving God did intervene, in sending Jesus. Jesus makes it possible for you to not go to Hell, though that can not be your motiviation for coming to Him.
Let me put it this way though, for you guys:
A murderer goes on a rampage and kills 150 kids, because he’s having a bad hair day. The murderer proceeds to get put on trial, facing capitol punishment. Now…he says to the judge ‘Mr. Judge… I know that you’re a kind and good judge, so I know you won’t send me to my death’.
That’s in essence what you’re trying to say about God. God would have been right, AND completely just in letting us all go to Hell, instead he sent his only Son (and who of you can ponder the thought of giving up one of your children for someone else, much less for someone who doesn’t deserve it), and gave us the opportunity to escape the punishment we deserve.
So before you go talking about how God is so mean, and how a loving God woulnd’t punish us, realize that that loving God offers the chance to be saved from the right and fitting punishment that we deserve. Hell may be a terrible place, but it will be most terrible because it’s eternal separation from God. You may mock now, but I pray that you won’t always, because if you do, when you get there, you’ll look back on this and know that it’s the truth.
God Bless.
Aaron, the thing about Hell is, the oldest manuscripts of the bible didn’t have hell in them. Additionally, In the gospel of Mark Chapter 13 verse 30, Jesus says that His second coming will occur while his disciples are still alive. Since that clearly did not occcur, it can be inferred that the rest of the bible is malarky.
A fun hell-related experament you can try at home is this:Force your child’s hand to a lit stove for thirty seconds.
Let’s discuss the results. That was pretty tough, emotionally, right? Now, imagine that instead of just the hand, it was their enire body, and instead of thirty seconds, it was eternity. Why would a God, who loves each and every one of us more than we can imagine, want to do this to us because we kissed other boys? I don’t get it.
Aaron; you need to let go of the guilt you feel because someone was brutally murdered just so you could end up in heaven.
Just so you will understand just how ignorant your statement is, remember that your ‘God’ would let the murderer into heaven if he accepted your ‘Jesus’ the second before he died. It just makes no sense. I will accept no responsibility for the murder of Jesus because I wasn’t involved, but according to your view, I’m still going to hell!…?
If heaven is going to be so full of two-faced assholes like the one in your story, I would rather be in hell.
I can’t believe someone used the Council of Nicea as any evidence at all! The Davinci Code is not a history text-book!
Besides that theory has had its behind kicked in so many times its not funny…. so STOP IT!!
God is real
The Bible is literally true (6 day creation and all.. I mean all)
Not going to defend this or why am do believe these things as I don’t have the time or energy to do so. Besides I don’t believe you can prove God. But I do believe you sure can disprove evolution.
Ps: Mutation and Evolution is different.
Hell = place without God
“Where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” - gives a pretty picture. But not quite the beer volcano and stripper factory you were hoping for.
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Aaron; you need to let go of the guilt you feel because someone was brutally murdered just so you could end up in heaven.
Just so you will understand just how ignorant your statement is, remember that your ‘God’ would let the murderer into heaven if he accepted your ‘Jesus’ the second before he died. It just makes no sense. I will accept no responsibility for the murder of Jesus because I wasn’t involved, but according to your view, I’m still going to hell!…?
If heaven is going to be so full of two-faced assholes like the one in your story, I would rather be in hell.
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First off, Jesus was not murdered, nor did I claim he was. My analogy was simply that, someone who deserved justice, and thinks that ‘Goodness’ will let him get out of Justice.
The fact of the matter is you don’t have to accept responsibility for the murder of Jesus for two reasons: One is that he doesn’t ask you to. The second is that he was not murdered. He could have called angels down at any time, could have basically let us die in our sins. He had the power to be out of that situation any moment that he wished, but he endured.
The thing about Christianity is that it’s all about substitutionary atonement. You see it all through the Old Testament, how people had to repeatedly make animal sacrifices in order to atone for sin; someone or something’s blood has to be shed for our sins, because SOMEONE has to pay. It should be us. But God in his infinite goodness sent his Son Jesus. Jesus never sinned once, though he was certainly tempted to do so. In that case, he was the ‘perfect’ atonement. Because he was sinless and was utterly righteous, his death pays for all of our sin.
Again, you speak from a lack of understanding. Sin has a price, and everyone has to have that price paid for. Either by accepting that Jesus already paid that price, and having a relationship with Him, freely (and I assure you, that knowing Jesus, as a Person and not an idea, is the best thing that has ever happened to me), or by rejecting him, and paying the price by eternal separation from God.
That’s because God is holy. He is completely perfect, and sin cannot enter into his kingdom.
If you stop trying to make it so complicated and find flaws in every little thing, it’s actually very simple.
1. We are all sinners
2. A price had to be paid for that sin; justice.
3. Jesus who was not a sinner, offered himself to pay that price so that we could be reconciled to God.
4. We have the choice to accept Him as the atonement for our sins, or reject him.
It’s very cut and dry.
I must roll my one good eye at this, for it does anger me shimbers more then thee awesome hatemail that I may laugh at so easily. But this person is twice as stupid and ignorant then us any day…
‘Ask the Natives about crishtian love…nay! Ask the islamic people amout them too!!!’
Aaron; I would venture that you would disagree with those who believe that Chrishna, (an Indian messiah), was crucified to atone for the sins of mankind. The crucifiction of Jesus depicted in the Bible was stolen directly from many earlier myths. It was old news then, and it is old news now.
You have to understand that I see your heaven as just an obvious mind-deadening and mind-controlling bribe that never has to be paid.
That’s the difference here, isn’t it? I have no fear of death, but you won’t accept the concept. Understand that superstitious beliefs do not solve real world issues.
I can’t believe someone used the Council of Nicea as any evidence at all! The Davinci Code is not a history text-book!
Besides that theory has had its behind kicked in so many times its not funny…. so STOP IT!!
God is real
The Bible is literally true (6 day creation and all.. I mean all)
Not going to defend this or why am do believe these things as I don’t have the time or energy to do so. Besides I don’t believe you can prove God. But I do believe you sure can disprove evolution.
Ps: Mutation and Evolution is different.
Hell = place without God
Posted by Mc
Here comes the hammer of fallacy.
1)If the bible is literally true, I should give my daughter to sodomists to be raped instead of guests in my house, I’m allowed to take slaves from the countries around me (here i come Canada) and lastly:
“God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done.” - Numbers 23:19
“So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened.” - Exodus 32:14
2)”But I do believe you sure can disprove evolution.”
A: I believe, that makes it so, I can’t be wrong.
B: Many years ago, people believed that the earth was flat. They were wrong.
A: Point being?
B: Their belief didn’t make it so, thus beliefs may be wrong.
A: Shit.
3)”The basic mechanisms that produce evolutionary change are natural selection (which includes ecological, sexual, and kin selection) and genetic drift; these two mechanisms act on the genetic variation created by mutation, genetic recombination and gene flow.”(wikipedia) Mutation is a vehicle of evolution, fuckwit.
4) Prove god is on Earth, else Earth is hell by you’re definition.
http://elroy.net/ehr/fighttheright.html for the fellow pastafarians, RAmen.
Aaron; I would venture that you would disagree with those who believe that Chrishna, (an Indian messiah), was crucified to atone for the sins of mankind. The crucifiction of Jesus depicted in the Bible was stolen directly from many earlier myths. It was old news then, and it is old news now.
You have to understand that I see your heaven as just an obvious mind-deadening and mind-controlling bribe that never has to be paid.
That’s the difference here, isn’t it? I have no fear of death, but you won’t accept the concept. Understand that superstitious beliefs do not solve real world issues.
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Crishna was not born of a virgin (miraculous birth, not born from the seed of man). Crishna was not perfect. Crishna did not perform miracles. Most importantly Crishna did not triumph over death, as did and does Jesus. That’s the difference here. :)
I have no fear of death either, but I do have a fear of seperation from God and from the love of God. If you knew this love you would understand. But see… you all dismiss it out of hand without really seeking it.
You say you seek it, by using your eyes for a few minutes, and saying it isn’t there. But if you truly sought with your heart, (not fooling yourself, or trying to fool God or others), you would find something.
Matthew 7:8 (KJV)- ‘For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.’
I also know what you’re going to say ‘Did you see him rise from the dead’?
Well… did you see the American Revolution? For that matter, did you see the big bang?
Seeing isn’t everything. When it comes down to the christian v/ atheist argument, that’s the problem. The christian life is a life of faith (believing without seeing), while atheism is just the opposite, not belieivng without seeing. Atheists are nothing more than those without faith, by definition.
Aaron…Aaron…Aaron. You just don’t get it. No man was ever born of a virgin; it is not genetically possible. Nobody has ever been perfect; it is not humanly possible. Nobody has ever performed a miracle; it is not physically possible. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has ever risen from the dead. Just because your little book says it is so does not make it real.
You asked if we saw the American revolution or the Big Bang. The answer is ‘no’. However, the American Revolution is a matter of recent historical fact supported by countless eye-witness accounts, official reports, and a plethora of artifacts capable of being studied and verified. The Big Bang , conversely, is a theory. A THEORY. Even cosmologists will admit that the theory may eventually be proven untrue. The key word here is ‘proven’. If sufficient evidence comes to light showing that the Big Bang could not have happened, then the theory will, as so many other theories in the past, be abandoned. Time and time again, your bible has been shown to contain so many inconsistencies that it can not be taken seriously.
In conclusion, don’t tell me Jesus died for my sins; he died because he was a threat to the contemporary power base. Don’t tell me god loves me; your god does not exist. Don’t quote passages from your book; it was written over the course of a 1,000 years by a bunch of bi-polar lunatics who heard disembodied voices.
Join us in His noodly goodness. Accept the FSM into your heart. Ramen.
Posted by: humanity | August 29, 2006
“I can’t believe someone used the Council of Nicea as any evidence at all! The Davinci Code is not a history text-book!”
I knew about the Council of Nicea (where the Nicene Creed comes from) before the DaVinci Code (a book and movie that I have yet to read or see…) ever came out!
This information was known before any book or movie, but sometimes it takes a book or a movie to bring the information to the publics’ attention.
As for the following…
“The Bible is literally true (6 day creation and all.. I mean all)”
DaVinci Code is not a history text book… but the Bible is…???
Before you put all of your eggs in one basket, understand that the Holy Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation of oral stories! I personally believe that any sort of faith must be established by knowing and understanding as much of our world as we can, and then STILL choosing to believe in something. I have a friend that was born and rasied completely Christian. Without knowing any other religion, how can she be sure that she is a real believer in God?!
Maybe she would make a better Taoist or perhaps Muslim? Who knows such things when people keep themselves convinced that a single book, written by man is the ABSOLUTE truth?!
I admire what is being done with this Flying Spaghetti Monster website. (I just learned about it this morning…) This is a good critique on Theological logic and reason. But most importantly, I believe it promotes focus on very important issues that people tend to forget or ignore. People forget that there is a huge world, with literally thousands of religions and variations. And here people talk about God as if they have seen and understand all of them! There are gods, Jesus, Yaweh, Allah, Vishnu, Shiva, Agni, Athena, Zeus, Odin, Loki, Quezecotl, (and now FSM) etc… and then there are teachers and prophets, Mohommed, Buddha, Confucius, Lao-tzu, Osho etc…
How can someone who takes the Bible as 100% truth and all else as pure nonsense possibly understand what is going on with only 1% of the picture visible?
- Hakseng (The Student)
Hakseng - that was not my quote. Signatures are at the bottom.
Anyway, Aaron, the bible is chock-ful of BS. You believe it, along with a bunch of other people who were shortchanged on repetitions of the ‘critical thinking’ gene in their DNA. I’m sorry, but even though you really really really really want it to be true, the evidence indicates that it is not.
I, however, would like to extensively tour and explore workings of a beer volcano and a stripper factory, so FSMism is the winner!
“I know that if you were to die today that you would all go to hell. unless at one point you declared Christ as your lord and savior. I just want to say i guess is that God loves you no matter what”
I don’t understand how people can believe there is some all-loving god that would send you to Hell if you don’t make some ridiculous declaration. I wouldn’t send someone I love to be tortured for all of eternity. Hell is just a glorified time-out to manipulate people into oppression via fear.
Ramen.
I think the lesson we’ve all learned from this is that if at one time I claim Jesus to be my Savior and Lord…
I can do whatever the hell I want!!!
Right?
Because then I’m “saved.” And let’s face it, once I’m saved, I don’t have to worry about one single thing I do. Why? you may ask… well, because “god is a forgiving god.”
Wow. The world would truly be a great place if everyone believed that.
Oh and the same appiles for doing things in the name of god. Like Holy Wars. Totally God-Approved. Because man is never wrong in interpreting the “word of god.” Terorists believe they are doing the work of god. I’m pretty sure any Christian you talk to on the street hates them.
So get a sense of humor, and quit thinking your way is better than my way.
(By the way, Christians scare the bejesus out of me.)
A murderer goes on a rampage and kills 150 kids, because he’s having a bad hair day. The murderer proceeds to get put on trial, facing capitol punishment. Now…he says to the judge ‘Mr. Judge… I know that you’re a kind and good judge, so I know you won’t send me to my death’.
interesting theory. however, from what i understand (please do correct me if im wrong) If God was the judge, and the murderer confessed all of his sins, he would be forgiven and go to heaven…
interesting story: Adolf Eichmann was put on trial in Israel, and he was convicted of many crimes, and put to death. afterwards, the priest attending him in his final days was interviewed. he said, sadly, that Eichmann had not accepted God, but if he had, he would have gone to heaven, despite his crimes. when asked about the millions of Jews who were Eichmann’s victims, the priest replied, i imagine they are burning in hell right now.
just goes to show-why believe in a religion that condemns all peoples who dont believe the same to everlasting torment?
“3)”The basic mechanisms that produce evolutionary change are natural selection (which includes ecological, sexual, and kin selection) and genetic drift; these two mechanisms act on the genetic variation created by mutation, genetic recombination and gene flow.”(wikipedia) Mutation is a vehicle of evolution, fuckwit.”
Good thanks, and yourself?
Well… what is mutation? To kill what you have posted, genetic mutations in ALL cases observable is the loss (what? THE LOSS) of genetic information. Yet you are claiming that that this is one of evolutions mechanisms.
Mutation = degeneration… not evolution.
Look guys, we can look at the same data - but if we have different presuppositions we will come to different conclusions. That’s how it is.
I can’t prove God. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction onto our hearts and breaks down our walls of sin that stop us from believing. I’m not perfect… I sin… everyday. Yet it is through the blood of Christ that I KNOW that when I am judged, I will still be given eternal life.
God is real to me, because I have seeked Him. I was in knee deep crap… many people are off way way WAY worse than I was… but God made a PERSONAL difference in my life when I accepted Christ. I used go clubbing, do drugs and hate everyone and everything - I was a real shmuck.. I’ve had my personal testimony and can’t explain it fully… but I am so blessed now.. i’m 20, getting married to an amazing Godly girl in 19 days.. finished uni.. and want to extend the Kingdom of God as this is what I have been commanded to do. And I feel [almost] as clean as a whistle.. yet I will try my best to not sin as this pleases my heavenly Father.
If you are not going to seek… no scientific data will prove God. But I think we all have something in us saying that the ’sinfull’ things we are doing is ruining something part of our most inner-being. And I believe this is because we are made in the ‘image of God’… yes yes I know… how do you interpret that one… not today tho folks.
People like evolution - I think because then we don’t have these moral obligations.. Sex drugs and rock’n'roll peoples!
And yes ‘Noodly..?’.. unfortunately Christians are so devided and hipocritical. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t the sincere biblical representatives of the faith. It is because of these christians and their behaviour that the whole group of Christians get put into this box called “two-faced liars”. We aren’t all like that. I mean we are all liars.. who hasn’t lied? But they are what I call sunday christians who unfortunately have never realy understood the fullness of God and what he has done and promises to do.
Anywho… all I can say really is seek… seek sincerely.. and you WILL find! He has promised that to us. How long??? In God’s timing not ours. After we are ’saved’/forgiven we can’t do what we want. If you read the scriptures God has gives us responsibilities to fill when we accept the sacrifice of Jesus
OOH… and the other post… to be honest… I would LOVE to have coffee with a Muslim. I have great respect for them. Many of them are very open to scripture and may not agree with you.. but will have friendly discussions about it.
The major people group I dislike [unfortunately] is the Queer groups… this isn’t what I am meant to be doing. But it is a struggle I have. God is good… Christians can be misled and often are.
What?? A Christian being honest??
My ‘rant’ is done.
unfortunately Christians are so devided and hipocritical. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t the sincere biblical representatives of the faith.
So, what you are saying is that, in believing in a heartfelt way in christianity, you are denying that I will go to hell because are not christian. Denying one of the tenets of Christian belief that has been around for…i don’t know how long…of course constitutes belief and generosity.
However, sounds like you are a reasonable person, so I’ll just say that, from my perspective, Christianity condemning the majority of perfectly good human beings to eternal damnation simply because they don’t practice, or believe, in Christianity is wrong and sad.
Another Jewish Guy
=D
Why is there sickness in this lifetime? Doesn’t God love us?
Sin! But does it matter if we are sick in our little 80 year struggle? ETERNITY IS THE REAL LIFE GOD HAS GIVEN US.
Hmm…. 80 vs ETERNITY
Why would Eternity be any better? or perfect? Satan will no be there. We will have no sin… not even a stain of it!
If you are going to hate God because you were born deformed, sick, ugly (by social standards), poor or whatever your situation isn’t going to improve much after you die here.
And you won’t be deformed in your eternal body.
Oh boy… I bet I’m gettin unpopular with you guys now!
Mc
Thanks for your perspective - here are some thoughts of mine.
I’m not condemning anyone. My job as a soldier in God’s army isn’t to condemn, but to reach out… build relationships and show to people that there is more to this Jesus guy than just a story etc. (i.e The Gospel)
And I’m not going to say who God will condemn… it’s not my place. But I’ve come to the point in my walk where I’ve said to myself: I’ll either believe that the Bible is the complete, accurate and truthfull Word of God or nothing at all. And after doing enough personal research my realist mind was satisfied enough to take the leap of FAITH and believe.
And yes it is sad. But many/most people will not enter the Kingdom of God.
Is it wrong? It is ‘wrong’ for us to sin. If that isn’t true… define wrong. Or has wrong only existed after we evolved enough to construct social networks?
So if we have wronged God and haven’t somehow made it right… wouldn’t he punish us? I doubt the majority of this world are perfect. In fact I can only recall one person ever being perfect…. no brainer: Jesus - was I there? No - read my second paragraph.
Mc,
While I am pleased to see that you are an atypical example of the ‘christians’ who normally post here, I must admit my confusion regarding your choice to do so. I can, of course, only speak for myself, but I really don’t understand what you hope to accomplish. I do not believe in your god. I do not believe that Jesus died for me. I do not believe in heaven or hell. As far as I am concerned, none of them exist. You claim that Jesus was perfect. Well, if the price of perfection is getting nailed to a cross, you can count me out. You said that ” my realist mind was satisfied enough to take the leap of FAITH and believe.” In my opinion ‘realism’ and ‘faith’ are mutually exclusive terms. I am a student studying to be a scientist (pharmacology) and I don’t need faith to know that acids and bases will neutralize one another; I need realism and scientific method. I only believe in what can be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, touched, and experimented with. Anything which does not fall into any of the previous categories, in my opinion, does not exist.
I’m glad you were so nice about this, but really. I do not believe in Hell. For that matter, I don’t know what to believe. i think Jesus was a good guy with some excellent ideas that were a little ahead of his time, and he said what he had to to get his point across. Besides, and I say this to everyone, if you can give me rock solid proof of your God’s existance, I will belive and become a Christian again. Until then, a faithful agnostic and follower of the FSM I shall remain.
RAmen to you.
~W.A.
See, the thing is, these people don’t need to be attacked, they truly and honestly believe they are helping us. So, I say thanks but no thanks and pray that you will realize the His Noodly Goodness will forgive you for your ignorance. And that i’ll learn to spell.
god touches my wiener at night.
@Cultural Snow
HIPPOCRATES is also an anagram of “CRAPPIEST HO.” Does that mean the Christian heaven has a stripper factory as well… but ones who perform poorly?
@ Jack
God does not touch your weiner at night!
Have you been sitting on your left hand before going to bed again.
You will go blind, for it is written
Hippo Crates?
Oh, dude, I need some crates for those Hippos that are always running around in my house…. bitches have ADHD
If heaven has people like you in it, I don’t want to be there!
didn’t you get the email… all of these christians are sending “love mail”