Comments on: i don’t understand http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:04:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Caveat Lector http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-320043 Caveat Lector Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:38:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-320043 Here are your misconceptions 1. science says the unverse was made by chance, wrong, it simply states the the universe follows certain laws and rules, such as physics. Nothing in science says it was by dumb luck that the universe exists, where do people keep getting that 2. if ID is taught, it will be teaching both theories. wrong. How do you teach ID without focusing in on at least one religion? you have to go a little deeper than "god did it", you have to say how and why, something that is different in every religion, so if ID is taught then many would only teach the christian version of it because they are christian and they think its the only theory out there unless we let them know it isn't, this is called the false-concensus effect; you guys have no clue that there are other ideas out there in the world until it smacks you in the face. 3. We want our religion to be taught, we don't. Evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang are the leading theories supported by the evidence. And if you teach ID with those, you cannot leave out details that pertain to certain religions as stated up in #2, we simply want the FSM to be taught on equal level with the christian version because if your religion is taught in schools, then ours should be too, so if people stop trying to get christianity taught then we will stop trying to get FSMism taught alongside it. Here are your misconceptions
1. science says the unverse was made by chance, wrong, it simply states the the universe follows certain laws and rules, such as physics. Nothing in science says it was by dumb luck that the universe exists, where do people keep getting that
2. if ID is taught, it will be teaching both theories. wrong. How do you teach ID without focusing in on at least one religion? you have to go a little deeper than “god did it”, you have to say how and why, something that is different in every religion, so if ID is taught then many would only teach the christian version of it because they are christian and they think its the only theory out there unless we let them know it isn’t, this is called the false-concensus effect; you guys have no clue that there are other ideas out there in the world until it smacks you in the face.
3. We want our religion to be taught, we don’t. Evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang are the leading theories supported by the evidence. And if you teach ID with those, you cannot leave out details that pertain to certain religions as stated up in #2, we simply want the FSM to be taught on equal level with the christian version because if your religion is taught in schools, then ours should be too, so if people stop trying to get christianity taught then we will stop trying to get FSMism taught alongside it.

]]> By: B☠☠ty http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207859 B☠☠ty Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:40:09 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207859 *shakes Nikkiee's shoulder gently* It's OK, I think he has gone! :D *shakes Nikkiee’s shoulder gently*
It’s OK, I think he has gone! :D

]]> By: Jennyanydots http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207855 Jennyanydots Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:30:41 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207855 @ Pluto - hooray! Just wondering, but has anybody ever been told by anyone that they "don't believe in gravity"? That's also only a theory... @ Pluto - hooray!

Just wondering, but has anybody ever been told by anyone that they “don’t believe in gravity”? That’s also only a theory…

]]> By: Pluto http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207813 Pluto Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:07:53 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207813 @ CB- Do you have a fucking clue what you’re talking about? Evolution is a theory, but one with evidence to back it up. I can’t disprove a god. But if there is one it’s nothing like we could imagine and, ipso facto, nothing like any of the religions say. So by that logic religion is counter science and counter Philosophy. It puts a lead round your neck. You can go anywhere you like till you pull on the leash. Science says “Break the leash! Leave your yard! Go explore and find out for your self! Chase rabbits and sniff trees!” it’s the challenge of finding the truth that keeps the enlightened going. Because true enlightenment is about knowing you’ll never understand everything but not giving up anyway. @ CB-
Do you have a fucking clue what you’re talking about?
Evolution is a theory, but one with evidence to back it up. I can’t disprove a god. But if there is one it’s nothing like we could imagine and, ipso facto, nothing like any of the religions say. So by that logic religion is counter science and counter Philosophy. It puts a lead round your neck. You can go anywhere you like till you pull on the leash.
Science says “Break the leash! Leave your yard! Go explore and find out for your self! Chase rabbits and sniff trees!” it’s the challenge of finding the truth that keeps the enlightened going. Because true enlightenment is about knowing you’ll never understand everything but not giving up anyway.

]]> By: Wench.Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207757 Wench.Nikkiee Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:11:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207757 CB Oct 15th, 2007 at 11:58 pm "The theory of evolution for example, is just a theory. Yet we teach it in school." . Oh please....not again....*falls asleep* CB Oct 15th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
“The theory of evolution for example, is just a theory. Yet we teach it in school.”
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Oh please….not again….*falls asleep*

]]> By: CB http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207744 CB Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:58:41 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-207744 The word Science means "an organized body of knowledge based on observation and experiment." There is no way anyone could present anything to prove the Universe just happened, or big banged itself, or that God created it. The other thing is that even if you were there at the beginning, in some way shape or form being a spectator watching the universe being created, it is only your perception. It is subjective. Once you try to communicate it, you are communicating something subjective. Even if you present evidence to someone, how they take it is subjective. What most people take for truth is what people agree is true. So agreement is reality. If the universe were down to 1 person, whatever he believed is what would be true. As you increase the players in the game of life, it's majority agreement that makes up truth. Going back to perception, after you perceive something, you make a decision about it and you know it. That's the key part of it all. So the highest truth for oneself is just knowing. You start to walk down this road and we are talking more about philosophy--the love and pursuit of wisdom. Religion can be part of that, so long as it is honest in what it claims. Science should be the same way. Science can be dogmatic and downright fanatic. The theory of evolution for example, is just a theory. Yet we teach it in school. Kids being skitzy and not sitting still in class is a disease, which is really only a theory, yet we make billions of dollars on the drugs for it. One writer wrote about religious fanatics. How about scientists, engineers and so forth that created nuclear missles. They are only useful in a society that craves suicide. Examples of these abound. I don't in the end think it's a problem to teach that theories exist. Say the big bang or God. Go ahead and teach both. While you're at it, throw in FSM. The word Science means “an organized body of knowledge based on observation and experiment.”

There is no way anyone could present anything to prove the Universe just happened, or big banged itself, or that God created it.

The other thing is that even if you were there at the beginning, in some way shape or form being a spectator watching the universe being created, it is only your perception. It is subjective. Once you try to communicate it, you are communicating something subjective. Even if you present evidence to someone, how they take it is subjective.

What most people take for truth is what people agree is true. So agreement is reality. If the universe were down to 1 person, whatever he believed is what would be true. As you increase the players in the game of life, it’s majority agreement that makes up truth.

Going back to perception, after you perceive something, you make a decision about it and you know it. That’s the key part of it all. So the highest truth for oneself is just knowing.

You start to walk down this road and we are talking more about philosophy–the love and pursuit of wisdom. Religion can be part of that, so long as it is honest in what it claims. Science should be the same way. Science can be dogmatic and downright fanatic. The theory of evolution for example, is just a theory. Yet we teach it in school. Kids being skitzy and not sitting still in class is a disease, which is really only a theory, yet we make billions of dollars on the drugs for it.

One writer wrote about religious fanatics. How about scientists, engineers and so forth that created nuclear missles. They are only useful in a society that craves suicide. Examples of these abound.

I don’t in the end think it’s a problem to teach that theories exist. Say the big bang or God. Go ahead and teach both. While you’re at it, throw in FSM.

]]> By: Matt http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1291 Matt Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:56:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1291 what? FSM didn't create the Earth? well then at least the moon? what, no? but surely the stripper factory is still up there? if not, then I have nothing to live for. what? FSM didn’t create the Earth? well then at least the moon? what, no? but surely the stripper factory is still up there? if not, then I have nothing to live for.

]]> By: Sam http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1508 Sam Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:25:33 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1508 "I have to disagree with you there. It clearly states in GotFSM..." Even Pastafarians invoke their religious books imposing facts!! Here's an example: A christian thinks that the existence of god is fact. An atheist thinks that the non-existence of god is fact, when in truth, both are beliefs that are not based on proof. However, I am an atheist because in my opinion, religion is a hinderance. Just think about that: Imagine all the things we could do if we weren't busy worshiping some "God", Think about all the conflict there wouldn't have been without it, think what kind of freedom we would have, not being oppressed by religious fanatics. I could go on forever, but i think I'll stop here and let you people think about it for a while. “I have to disagree with you there. It clearly states in GotFSM…”

Even Pastafarians invoke their religious books imposing facts!!

Here’s an example: A christian thinks that the existence of god is fact. An atheist thinks that the non-existence of god is fact, when in truth, both are beliefs that are not based on proof.

However, I am an atheist because in my opinion, religion is a hinderance. Just think about that: Imagine all the things we could do if we weren’t busy worshiping some “God”, Think about all the conflict there wouldn’t have been without it, think what kind of freedom we would have, not being oppressed by religious fanatics.

I could go on forever, but i think I’ll stop here and let you people think about it for a while.

]]> By: Captain McFeathers III http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1507 Captain McFeathers III Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:28:25 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1507 "science=FACTS" I have to disagree with you there. It clearly states in GotFSM (Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that most of the things taught in science class are theories. The first one that comes to mind is gravity, which is explain in GotFSM that we know the particals are attracted but we don't know why. So telling someone that gravity exists is a fact, but beyond that it's really just theory. “science=FACTS”

I have to disagree with you there. It clearly states in GotFSM (Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that most of the things taught in science class are theories. The first one that comes to mind is gravity, which is explain in GotFSM that we know the particals are attracted but we don’t know why. So telling someone that gravity exists is a fact, but beyond that it’s really just theory.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1506 Kevin Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:38:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1506 "Bobby, I don't understand. I have recently read your article to the KC school board. You seem to be arguing that the FSM created the earth. (etcetcetc) This poor clumpball thinks the FSM is a serious, threatening, competing religion. He takes it all seriously! Doesn't realize it's a spoof. Taking jokes seriously seems to be a common feature among the fastidiously religious. Maybe that's why they're so obsessed by sadistic myths like hell and devils. Their senses of humor left them long ago. “Bobby,
I don’t understand. I have recently read your article to the KC school board. You seem to be arguing that the FSM created the earth. (etcetcetc)

This poor clumpball thinks the FSM is a serious, threatening, competing religion. He takes it all seriously! Doesn’t realize it’s a spoof.

Taking jokes seriously seems to be a common feature among the fastidiously religious. Maybe that’s why they’re so obsessed by sadistic myths like hell and devils. Their senses of humor left them long ago.

]]> By: TwistedMind http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1505 TwistedMind Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:29:53 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1505 An intesting contruct from a comic book... Hellblazer (with John Constantine as the main character) goes as follows. Religions are based on faith. Faith is belief without proof. (There is a difference the believing and knowing.) Therefore knowlege excludes faith and cancels out religion. Just another way of looking at it. I like the FSM concept. And I believe in God. An intesting contruct from a comic book… Hellblazer (with John Constantine as the main character) goes as follows.

Religions are based on faith. Faith is belief without proof. (There is a difference the believing and knowing.) Therefore knowlege excludes faith and cancels out religion.

Just another way of looking at it.

I like the FSM concept. And I believe in God.

]]> By: Yaaaaaar! http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1504 Yaaaaaar! Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:46:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1504 "no one ACTUALLY believes spaghetti created the world. it's the principle of the thing. please try to recognise these types of sarcastic points in the future." WHAT?! Damn you for a fool, sir! There shall be no Volcanoes of Beer for you in OUR noodly Heaven! Denying the Almighty Pasta Lord will get you whacked with a wet noodle for all eternity in the fiery abyss of Christian Heaven, sir! Repent and accept His meatballiness into your heart so ye might be saved. Ramen. “no one ACTUALLY believes spaghetti created the world. it’s the principle of the thing. please try to recognise these types of sarcastic points in the future.”

WHAT?! Damn you for a fool, sir! There shall be no Volcanoes of Beer for you in OUR noodly Heaven! Denying the Almighty Pasta Lord will get you whacked with a wet noodle for all eternity in the fiery abyss of Christian Heaven, sir! Repent and accept His meatballiness into your heart so ye might be saved. Ramen.

]]> By: guido http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1177 guido Wed, 16 Aug 2006 05:05:36 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1177 haha. did you really totally miss the point? it's a joke. it's making a statement about why it's stupid to teach things other than evolution in schools. smack your forehead and say you understand. honestly. by all means...don't take it seriously. no one ACTUALLY believes spaghetti created the world. it's the principle of the thing. please try to recognise these types of sarcastic points in the future. uffdah. haha. did you really totally miss the point? it’s a joke. it’s making a statement about why it’s stupid to teach things other than evolution in schools. smack your forehead and say you understand. honestly. by all means…don’t take it seriously. no one ACTUALLY believes spaghetti created the world. it’s the principle of the thing. please try to recognise these types of sarcastic points in the future. uffdah.

]]> By: Trawler the Parrot http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1176 Trawler the Parrot Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:42:47 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1176 Teaching intelligent design does not promote god? Wait you actually believe this! Two words: Discovery institute. Teaching intelligent design does not promote god? Wait you actually believe this!

Two words: Discovery institute.

]]> By: Sam http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1175 Sam Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:08:14 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1175 I guess all these Christians still don't get it. The point is that religion should not be taught in science classes. Why? 1) religion=BELIEFS 2) science=FACTS So maybye, just maybye, there is a god. But that would still not be a fact, because there is no certainty about it. Therefore everything in religeon is belief, and everything in science is fact. I guess all these Christians still don’t get it. The point is that religion should not be taught in science classes. Why?

1) religion=BELIEFS

2) science=FACTS

So maybye, just maybye, there is a god. But that would still not be a fact, because there is no certainty about it. Therefore everything in religeon is belief, and everything in science is fact.

]]> By: Midget in Pirate Regalia http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1174 Midget in Pirate Regalia Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:42:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1174 Philosopher wrote: "As a loyal devotee of His Pastaness, I hate to break it to my fellow posters but "intelligent design" is not particularly a Christian movment. The argument can be found in many religious traditions." - 1) Please see my earlier post. 2) Many religions have 'revealed' scripture: this does not means that the New Testament is 'not particularly a Christian' work. The claim that philosophy of design in other religious traditions absolves ID of an evangelical Christian nature is a non-sequitur. THIS movement, at THIS PARTICULAR TIME, as funded by a Young-Earth Creationist who favors scrapping the Bill of Rights and imposing Mosaic law, and as promoted by fundamentalist evangelical Christians, is 'particularly a Christian' work. Just sayin'. :-P Philosopher wrote:

“As a loyal devotee of His Pastaness, I hate to break it to my fellow posters but “intelligent design” is not particularly a Christian movment. The argument can be found in many religious traditions.”

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1) Please see my earlier post.

2) Many religions have ‘revealed’ scripture: this does not means that the New Testament is ‘not particularly a Christian’ work. The claim that philosophy of design in other religious traditions absolves ID of an evangelical Christian nature is a non-sequitur.

THIS movement, at THIS PARTICULAR TIME, as funded by a Young-Earth Creationist who favors scrapping the Bill of Rights and imposing Mosaic law, and as promoted by fundamentalist evangelical Christians, is ‘particularly a Christian’ work.

Just sayin’. :-P

]]> By: The Reverend http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1173 The Reverend Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:02:55 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1173 The idea that Intelligent Design does not promote any God at all is rediculous. Of course it does. Intelligent Design by definition is a hypothesis that proposes something or someone designed all life on Earth. This something or someone is by definition a God. This warrants a "no duh" The idea that Intelligent Design does not promote any God at all is rediculous. Of course it does. Intelligent Design by definition is a hypothesis that proposes something or someone designed all life on Earth. This something or someone is by definition a God.

This warrants a “no duh”

]]> By: alfredo http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1172 alfredo Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:24:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1172 Amen. FSM could be taught right before lunch on spaghetti day in the cafeteria, thereby reinforcing the noodley thoughts. Pasta is so much more filling than grapejuice and crackers. Amen. FSM could be taught right before lunch on spaghetti day in the cafeteria, thereby reinforcing the noodley thoughts.

Pasta is so much more filling than grapejuice and crackers.

]]> By: Sam http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1171 Sam Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:44:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1171 "The teaching of Intelligent Design does not promote my God" if creationism does not promtoe any god, whts the problem with teaching FSM creation in schools?? “The teaching of Intelligent Design does not promote my God”

if creationism does not promtoe any god, whts the problem with teaching FSM creation in schools??

]]> By: Leah http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1170 Leah Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:57:05 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/08/09/i-dont-understand.htm#comment-1170 Do any of them look at this site once they have written their letter do you think? Religion serves two sorts of people: Priests and Kings(presidents, etc) This one serves as a joke. Do any of them look at this site once they have written their letter do you think?

Religion serves two sorts of people: Priests and Kings(presidents, etc)

This one serves as a joke.

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