Comments on: your purpose http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:32:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: AVISPA http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-317470 AVISPA Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-317470 Ah, but Bobby would be at the right noodle of the FSM, and you would be crying. Ah, but Bobby would be at the right noodle of the FSM, and you would be crying.

]]> By: Purushadasa http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-253102 Purushadasa Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:01:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-253102 The atheist, since his own childish theories hold no merit of their own on which to stand, and since the absolute truth of the Supreme Lord cannot be challenged directly by any means, all too often mentions such bizarre red herrings as "spaghetti monster," "mermaids," "sky faeries," and a myriad of other ridiculous straw-man arguments that he manufactures in his fertile imagination. The straw-man argument is perhaps the most shameful and childish of all of the logical fallacies, and is among the atheist’s very favorites. The fact is that the ungodly atheist is afraid to face the issue directly, and the issue is simply that God's personal and intelligent plan for the highly structured, ordered, and variegated universe that we all experience every day makes much more sense as its ultimate origin than such silly, mythological concepts as "chance," "randomness," and "evolution theory." His fear stems from the fact that he knows, deep down inside, that he is wrong. It is physically, logically, and mathematically impossible to derive life from nonliving chemicals, personality from some imaginary, impersonal system of “chance,” or any amount of greater intelligence from any amount of lesser intelligence. The conclusion is that all life comes from life, all personality comes from personality, and all relative intelligence comes from absolute intelligence. There is not so much as one single example, in the experience of any scientist throughout all time, of one species being observed producing a member of another species. Conversely, every nanosecond, every millisecond, every instant, every moment, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every week, every month, every year, every decade, every lifetime, every generation, every century, every millennium, every epoch, every aeon, every era, and every age, since time immemorial, and right down the line, to this very red-hot nanosecond, what we observe, each and every time, without fail, adjustment, or substitution, is that each respective species produces members of its very own, very same species. There is absolutely not so much as a single example, throughout the entire history of all time, of crossover from one species to any other species. There is none, none, none -- none at all. Since scientific method is based, first and foremost, upon observation, and the very lynchpin of “evolution theory,” (species crossover), has never been observed by anyone, ever, the only rational conclusion is that the theory is 100% unscientific. Only the insane can neglect these hard facts and insist upon the foolish, illogical convolutions of "evolution theory" instead. More information: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxYacGWRlMw The atheist, since his own childish theories hold no merit of their own on which to stand, and since the absolute truth of the Supreme Lord cannot be challenged directly by any means, all too often mentions such bizarre red herrings as “spaghetti monster,” “mermaids,” “sky faeries,” and a myriad of other ridiculous straw-man arguments that he manufactures in his fertile imagination. The straw-man argument is perhaps the most shameful and childish of all of the logical fallacies, and is among the atheist’s very favorites.

The fact is that the ungodly atheist is afraid to face the issue directly, and the issue is simply that God’s personal and intelligent plan for the highly structured, ordered, and variegated universe that we all experience every day makes much more sense as its ultimate origin than such silly, mythological concepts as “chance,” “randomness,” and “evolution theory.” His fear stems from the fact that he knows, deep down inside, that he is wrong.

It is physically, logically, and mathematically impossible to derive life from nonliving chemicals, personality from some imaginary, impersonal system of “chance,” or any amount of greater intelligence from any amount of lesser intelligence. The conclusion is that all life comes from life, all personality comes from personality, and all relative intelligence comes from absolute intelligence.

There is not so much as one single example, in the experience of any scientist throughout all time, of one species being observed producing a member of another species. Conversely, every nanosecond, every millisecond, every instant, every moment, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every week, every month, every year, every decade, every lifetime, every generation, every century, every millennium, every epoch, every aeon, every era, and every age, since time immemorial, and right down the line, to this very red-hot nanosecond, what we observe, each and every time, without fail, adjustment, or substitution, is that each respective species produces members of its very own, very same species. There is absolutely not so much as a single example, throughout the entire history of all time, of crossover from one species to any other species. There is none, none, none — none at all.

Since scientific method is based, first and foremost, upon observation, and the very lynchpin of “evolution theory,” (species crossover), has never been observed by anyone, ever, the only rational conclusion is that the theory is 100% unscientific.

Only the insane can neglect these hard facts and insist upon the foolish, illogical convolutions of “evolution theory” instead.

More information:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxYacGWRlMw

]]> By: El Peatieablo http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-184278 El Peatieablo Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:04:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-184278 What if neither of us are right but somebody in the other two thirds of the world's population is? And your apology helps, it really does, but the ER helped a whole lot more (and most of the people there were smart enough to realize that restricting their life for some stupid religion was kind of silly). What if neither of us are right but somebody in the other two thirds of the world’s population is?
And your apology helps, it really does, but the ER helped a whole lot more (and most of the people there were smart enough to realize that restricting their life for some stupid religion was kind of silly).

]]> By: J http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9481 J Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9481 Taking the same quote from Jonathan Newman as Darwin's Monkey: . 'Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?' . This reminds me of a story I heard a couple of days ago in an interview between Ken Ham (creationist, author of 'The Lie: Evolution' and all-round God-fancier) and Carl Denby (creationist, admirer of 'The Lie: Evolution' and all-round Ken Ham fancier). Carl tells of a time in his career (he's been an air traffic controller for years) when he was spending hours in a cockpit talking with the pilot and co-pilot. He found that the three of them were all Christians. As they discussed their faith, one of them told Carl of Ken's book, which destroyed Carl's fanciful preumption that science and Christianity could get along together. Carl read the book, threw science out of the window and filled up all the space he'd thereby cleared in his brain with more religion. . Heartwarming, isn't it? . Hypothetical situation. The plane's going down. I'm a passenger. Things aren't going well. Now, whom do I want in the cockpit? . Option (a): Three guys who'll try to rescue the plane but who are also thinking 'Well, if we can't rescue it, I guess that's God's will! We'e going to heaven after all, and so are the passengers - as long as they're Christian.' . Option (b): Three guys who'll do every damn thing they can do to rescue that plane because they recognise that they haven't got a shred of evidence that there's anything after death and that it'd be criminally irresponsible to treat a living person in your care as though you knew what was going to happen to them after theirs? . I suspect there's a case to be considered that people who believe in an afterlife should be barred from jobs in which they have responsibility for other peoples' lives. (I know George W. Bush and Tony Blair read all my posts with great interest, so I'm sure they'll take this point to heart.) Taking the same quote from Jonathan Newman as Darwin’s Monkey:
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‘Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?’
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This reminds me of a story I heard a couple of days ago in an interview between Ken Ham (creationist, author of ‘The Lie: Evolution’ and all-round God-fancier) and Carl Denby (creationist, admirer of ‘The Lie: Evolution’ and all-round Ken Ham fancier). Carl tells of a time in his career (he’s been an air traffic controller for years) when he was spending hours in a cockpit talking with the pilot and co-pilot. He found that the three of them were all Christians. As they discussed their faith, one of them told Carl of Ken’s book, which destroyed Carl’s fanciful preumption that science and Christianity could get along together. Carl read the book, threw science out of the window and filled up all the space he’d thereby cleared in his brain with more religion.
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Heartwarming, isn’t it?
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Hypothetical situation. The plane’s going down. I’m a passenger. Things aren’t going well. Now, whom do I want in the cockpit?
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Option (a): Three guys who’ll try to rescue the plane but who are also thinking ‘Well, if we can’t rescue it, I guess that’s God’s will! We’e going to heaven after all, and so are the passengers - as long as they’re Christian.’
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Option (b): Three guys who’ll do every damn thing they can do to rescue that plane because they recognise that they haven’t got a shred of evidence that there’s anything after death and that it’d be criminally irresponsible to treat a living person in your care as though you knew what was going to happen to them after theirs?
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I suspect there’s a case to be considered that people who believe in an afterlife should be barred from jobs in which they have responsibility for other peoples’ lives. (I know George W. Bush and Tony Blair read all my posts with great interest, so I’m sure they’ll take this point to heart.)

]]> By: Darwin's Monkey http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9479 Darwin's Monkey Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:22:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9479 "Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him. You need you to believe in him" . If thats the case why do you fools try so hard to force your beliefs on others? “Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him. You need you to believe in him”
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If thats the case why do you fools try so hard to force your beliefs on others?

]]> By: Darwin's Monkey http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9478 Darwin's Monkey Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:21:20 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9478 "Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?" . Thats the kind of moral cowardice I'd expect from a Christian! “Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?”
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Thats the kind of moral cowardice I’d expect from a Christian!

]]> By: Darwin's Monkey http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9477 Darwin's Monkey Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:20:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9477 "Do you think that by mocking God, you empower yourself or in anyway benefit your own happiness? " . Yes “Do you think that by mocking God, you empower yourself or in anyway benefit your own happiness? ”
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Yes

]]> By: J http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9475 J Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:14:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9475 Hey, hey, . 'you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD.' . . . . . . Quite a thin fellow, are you? Hey, hey,
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‘you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD.’
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Quite a thin fellow, are you?

]]> By: One Eyed Jack http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9452 One Eyed Jack Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:33:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9452 @hey . It sounds to me like you are the one that is afraid. Why do you fear the FSM so? Food allergy perhaps? . To tell you the truth, I'm very scared that the Christian God (I assume that is who you meant by "God") is real. He's one seriously mean and vindictive SOB. However, the fact that he hasn't struck me down with a bolt of lightning yet means that either he doesn't exist, or he doesn't give a shit. Either way, I'm in the clear. . Lighten up and have some pasta. . OEJ @hey
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It sounds to me like you are the one that is afraid. Why do you fear the FSM so? Food allergy perhaps?
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To tell you the truth, I’m very scared that the Christian God (I assume that is who you meant by “God”) is real. He’s one seriously mean and vindictive SOB. However, the fact that he hasn’t struck me down with a bolt of lightning yet means that either he doesn’t exist, or he doesn’t give a shit. Either way, I’m in the clear.
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Lighten up and have some pasta.
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OEJ

]]> By: hey http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9442 hey Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:02:36 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-9442 you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD. do realize this? you think that whoever created this world is a Italian FOOD dish that is rediculous. if you ask me its just a sorry excuse because are scarred to actually believe that God exists and he created the world. you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD. do realize this? you think that whoever created this world is a Italian FOOD dish that is rediculous. if you ask me its just a sorry excuse because are scarred to actually believe that God exists and he created the world.

]]> By: Libby the Red http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-3106 Libby the Red Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:13:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-3106 Crap. Posted in the wrong thread somehow. Maybe I should get off our computers. Crap. Posted in the wrong thread somehow. Maybe I should get off our computers.

]]> By: Libby the Red http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-3102 Libby the Red Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:03:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-3102 You can't pick and choose the science you like: you can't root for anthropology and paleontology and shout down biology. The scientific method is used the same way in all sciences (when it is good science), so if you choose to reject science in certain areas where the findings disturb you, then I can respect that. However, please stay away from our history and our doctors as they are clearly of the devil. Thank you and have a nice day. Oh, and get off our computers. -Red Out You can’t pick and choose the science you like: you can’t root for anthropology and paleontology and shout down biology. The scientific method is used the same way in all sciences (when it is good science), so if you choose to reject science in certain areas where the findings disturb you, then I can respect that. However, please stay away from our history and our doctors as they are clearly of the devil.

Thank you and have a nice day. Oh, and get off our computers.

-Red Out

]]> By: HeathenAngel http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-723 HeathenAngel Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:53:57 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-723 DuoX, Thank you so much for that link. I'm sure you can imagine just how many times that argument has been used on the different message boards that one can post on. It never ceases to amuse and surprise me. I have never seen that site and it will certainly come in handy. DuoX, Thank you so much for that link. I’m sure you can imagine just how many times that argument has been used on the different message boards that one can post on. It never ceases to amuse and surprise me. I have never seen that site and it will certainly come in handy.

]]> By: George http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-722 George Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:36:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-722 A true christian works through acts of love: caring for the sick, helping the poor, fixing the broken down porch of an elderly couple, seeing that people have the right and freedom to vote - former President Jimmy Carter is a true christian. You can see it in his actions and the lack of words of comdemnation. The folks who proclaim to be christians and critize are nothing more than bags of hot air. A true christian works through acts of love: caring for the sick, helping the poor, fixing the broken down porch of an elderly couple, seeing that people have the right and freedom to vote - former President Jimmy Carter is a true christian. You can see it in his actions and the lack of words of comdemnation. The folks who proclaim to be christians and critize are nothing more than bags of hot air.

]]> By: Barb http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-721 Barb Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:26:12 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-721 As if hedging your bets will pass as true faith and get you through the pearly gates. As if hedging your bets will pass as true faith and get you through the pearly gates.

]]> By: hmmm http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-720 hmmm Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:21:58 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-720 If Jesus is God and yet a man, then did God save himself for himself? In other words, Jesus was saved...by Jesus, and when he died, he passed judgement on himself and found himself to be worthy of the heaven that he himself had created for mankind and so was restored to the bosom of his father... who was, in reality, Jesus. You're right, this whole Christianity thing totally rocks! Good thing I've already been baptized and therefore saved...by Jesus and God, who are the same person. If Jesus is God and yet a man, then did God save himself for himself? In other words, Jesus was saved…by Jesus, and when he died, he passed judgement on himself and found himself to be worthy of the heaven that he himself had created for mankind and so was restored to the bosom of his father… who was, in reality, Jesus. You’re right, this whole Christianity thing totally rocks! Good thing I’ve already been baptized and therefore saved…by Jesus and God, who are the same person.

]]> By: Hiro Protagonist http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-719 Hiro Protagonist Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:17:02 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-719 What if we flip this around? If God doesn't exist, hey, no harm no foul, you were wrong. However, if god is all loving and all that jazz, surely it would forgive us of our misdeeds. An omnipotent being would surely understand why we did what we did. All those years spent kneeling and living in fear, passing up the great opportunities because of your irrational worry that some one might smite you; all for nothing because God says, "Hey, I know everything, and am a being of pure love. I forgive you, come on in to heaven, there's lots of beer and sex up here" What if we flip this around? If God doesn’t exist, hey, no harm no foul, you were wrong. However, if god is all loving and all that jazz, surely it would forgive us of our misdeeds. An omnipotent being would surely understand why we did what we did. All those years spent kneeling and living in fear, passing up the great opportunities because of your irrational worry that some one might smite you; all for nothing because God says, “Hey, I know everything, and am a being of pure love. I forgive you, come on in to heaven, there’s lots of beer and sex up here”

]]> By: jami http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-718 jami Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-718 if all the christians were as nice as this one, maybe they'd have better luck getting cool people to come over on sunday. i may not be able to believe in god just because it's expeditious, but i do appreciate this guy's concern for my everlasting soul. if all the christians were as nice as this one, maybe they’d have better luck getting cool people to come over on sunday. i may not be able to believe in god just because it’s expeditious, but i do appreciate this guy’s concern for my everlasting soul.

]]> By: coma toes http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-717 coma toes Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:11:30 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-717 ..... what if the opposite is true? what if god tests us with faith to see if we will abandon our greatest gift, reason? and the sheep go to hell? ..... That was just so beautiful. I think I can sleep happy now. …..
what if the opposite is true? what if god tests us with faith to see if we will abandon our greatest gift, reason? and the sheep go to hell?
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That was just so beautiful. I think I can sleep happy now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-716 Anonymous Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:14:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2006/07/30/your-purpose.htm#comment-716 Actually, the apostle Paul said that, if Jesus never died and Christianity is false, then Christians are "of all men most miserable." Pascal's wager is actually contrary to the Bible. Oops. Actually, the apostle Paul said that, if Jesus never died and Christianity is false, then Christians are “of all men most miserable.” Pascal’s wager is actually contrary to the Bible. Oops.

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