Do you think that by mocking God, you empower yourself or in anyway benefit your own happiness? Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it? But if I was right and you were wrong, then you just took the biggest gamble with your soul. So why not stop misleading people and bringing in publice notability and fame for yourself. Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him. You need you to believe in him. I hope you will have read this with an open mind. I do apologize on behalf of my fellow Christians for anything they have done to alienate you.
-Jonathan Newman
Overly zealous religious people SCARE me, with their complete and utter lack of logical thinking. That sort of idiotic blind thinking is why there is so much violence, poverty, and need in the world today.
Obviously, the Lord Almighty doesn’t condone the use of SpellCheck, any more than he blesses the use of condoms or common sense. The uneducated responses that I’ve read here from outraged christians just reaffirm my opinion that religion is the one true source of evil in this world.
And that is why I proudly have a chrome Flying Spaghetti Monster emblem on my car, right above the bumper sticker that reads, “Please, Jesus, protect me from your followers!”
“The church has always been willing to swap off treasures in heaven for cash down.”
– Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899), American infidel and orator. Dictionary of Humorous Quotations, edited by Evan Esar (1949)
Actually, the apostle Paul said that, if Jesus never died and Christianity is false, then Christians are “of all men most miserable.” Pascal’s wager is actually contrary to the Bible. Oops.
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what if the opposite is true? what if god tests us with faith to see if we will abandon our greatest gift, reason? and the sheep go to hell?
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That was just so beautiful. I think I can sleep happy now.
if all the christians were as nice as this one, maybe they’d have better luck getting cool people to come over on sunday. i may not be able to believe in god just because it’s expeditious, but i do appreciate this guy’s concern for my everlasting soul.
What if we flip this around? If God doesn’t exist, hey, no harm no foul, you were wrong. However, if god is all loving and all that jazz, surely it would forgive us of our misdeeds. An omnipotent being would surely understand why we did what we did. All those years spent kneeling and living in fear, passing up the great opportunities because of your irrational worry that some one might smite you; all for nothing because God says, “Hey, I know everything, and am a being of pure love. I forgive you, come on in to heaven, there’s lots of beer and sex up here”
If Jesus is God and yet a man, then did God save himself for himself? In other words, Jesus was saved…by Jesus, and when he died, he passed judgement on himself and found himself to be worthy of the heaven that he himself had created for mankind and so was restored to the bosom of his father… who was, in reality, Jesus. You’re right, this whole Christianity thing totally rocks! Good thing I’ve already been baptized and therefore saved…by Jesus and God, who are the same person.
As if hedging your bets will pass as true faith and get you through the pearly gates.
A true christian works through acts of love: caring for the sick, helping the poor, fixing the broken down porch of an elderly couple, seeing that people have the right and freedom to vote - former President Jimmy Carter is a true christian. You can see it in his actions and the lack of words of comdemnation. The folks who proclaim to be christians and critize are nothing more than bags of hot air.
DuoX, Thank you so much for that link. I’m sure you can imagine just how many times that argument has been used on the different message boards that one can post on. It never ceases to amuse and surprise me. I have never seen that site and it will certainly come in handy.
You can’t pick and choose the science you like: you can’t root for anthropology and paleontology and shout down biology. The scientific method is used the same way in all sciences (when it is good science), so if you choose to reject science in certain areas where the findings disturb you, then I can respect that. However, please stay away from our history and our doctors as they are clearly of the devil.
Thank you and have a nice day. Oh, and get off our computers.
-Red Out
Crap. Posted in the wrong thread somehow. Maybe I should get off our computers.
you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD. do realize this? you think that whoever created this world is a Italian FOOD dish that is rediculous. if you ask me its just a sorry excuse because are scarred to actually believe that God exists and he created the world.
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It sounds to me like you are the one that is afraid. Why do you fear the FSM so? Food allergy perhaps?
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To tell you the truth, I’m very scared that the Christian God (I assume that is who you meant by “God”) is real. He’s one seriously mean and vindictive SOB. However, the fact that he hasn’t struck me down with a bolt of lightning yet means that either he doesn’t exist, or he doesn’t give a shit. Either way, I’m in the clear.
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Lighten up and have some pasta.
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OEJ
Hey, hey,
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‘you guys are crazy you are beliving in FOOD.’
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Quite a thin fellow, are you?
“Do you think that by mocking God, you empower yourself or in anyway benefit your own happiness? ”
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“Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?”
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Thats the kind of moral cowardice I’d expect from a Christian!
“Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him. You need you to believe in him”
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If thats the case why do you fools try so hard to force your beliefs on others?
Taking the same quote from Jonathan Newman as Darwin’s Monkey:
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‘Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it?’
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This reminds me of a story I heard a couple of days ago in an interview between Ken Ham (creationist, author of ‘The Lie: Evolution’ and all-round God-fancier) and Carl Denby (creationist, admirer of ‘The Lie: Evolution’ and all-round Ken Ham fancier). Carl tells of a time in his career (he’s been an air traffic controller for years) when he was spending hours in a cockpit talking with the pilot and co-pilot. He found that the three of them were all Christians. As they discussed their faith, one of them told Carl of Ken’s book, which destroyed Carl’s fanciful preumption that science and Christianity could get along together. Carl read the book, threw science out of the window and filled up all the space he’d thereby cleared in his brain with more religion.
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Heartwarming, isn’t it?
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Hypothetical situation. The plane’s going down. I’m a passenger. Things aren’t going well. Now, whom do I want in the cockpit?
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Option (a): Three guys who’ll try to rescue the plane but who are also thinking ‘Well, if we can’t rescue it, I guess that’s God’s will! We’e going to heaven after all, and so are the passengers - as long as they’re Christian.’
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Option (b): Three guys who’ll do every damn thing they can do to rescue that plane because they recognise that they haven’t got a shred of evidence that there’s anything after death and that it’d be criminally irresponsible to treat a living person in your care as though you knew what was going to happen to them after theirs?
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I suspect there’s a case to be considered that people who believe in an afterlife should be barred from jobs in which they have responsibility for other peoples’ lives. (I know George W. Bush and Tony Blair read all my posts with great interest, so I’m sure they’ll take this point to heart.)
What if neither of us are right but somebody in the other two thirds of the world’s population is?
And your apology helps, it really does, but the ER helped a whole lot more (and most of the people there were smart enough to realize that restricting their life for some stupid religion was kind of silly).