Do you think that by mocking God, you empower yourself or in anyway benefit your own happiness? Lets say I told you that all people go to either heaven, a good place, or hell, a bad place, when they die. If you said that you know that nothing happens when you die but that one just ceases to exist and it turns out you were right, then great, neither of us loses so it doesnt matter what I believe now does it? But if I was right and you were wrong, then you just took the biggest gamble with your soul. So why not stop misleading people and bringing in publice notability and fame for yourself. Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him. You need you to believe in him. I hope you will have read this with an open mind. I do apologize on behalf of my fellow Christians for anything they have done to alienate you.
-Jonathan Newman
Ahhh the veritable Pascal Sucker Bet rears its head once again.
If you are going to bet, bet responsibly!
http://www.jhuger.com/pascal
*grins*
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I’ve heard this “gamble” argument too many times. They don’t get the other side which is what most people see. If you spend your whole life on the gamble that the heaven-hell thing is true, and you pass by having sex with who you will, and drinking and smoking and cussing at idiots that cut you off, and worst of all, getting up at the butt-crack of dawn to put on a suit and go worship a non-existent god on your day off… You lose. You lose the only life you will ever know by wasting it. The end. You are a fool. And, if they want to buy into that sad argument, we can say just as well, what if there is an FSM or Allah or Buddha, and you are wrong? You wasted your life only to lose on judgement day…
Wow, using Pascal’s Wager… how original. Breaking down the poetry and beauty inherent in a person’s beliefs (be it christian, atheist, or pastafanarian) into game theory does it a huge disservice. So much for God not playing dice.
wow, this was exactly the argument i was going to use to convince all these FSM-ers to become muslim.
Holy crap? I should believe in God to cover my own ass just in case? Your not a very good Christian, are you?
I find it startling that so many people are ok with worshiping god out of fear that he exists. Living in fear that there’s an invisible man that’ll throw you into eternal pain forever based on rules that made more sense hundreds of years ago than they do after we figured out basic physics and biology untill you die makes much more sense. If Jesus Christ doesn’t need us to believe in him, why do you?
there really is only one thing to be said:
Jesus aint comin home for Christmas.
Wow, it’s a good thing Pascal’s Wager convinced me to turn from a life of worshiping the FSM and convinced me to worship Jesus instead. I know that when I reach heaven God will respect my decision to worship him as a Christian God, even if he is really the Muslim God, or the Hindu gods, or even the FSM, because that is exactly what Pascal’s Wager says will happen! Oh wait…
Well, maybe God will respect my choice to believe in him because of game theory and not because of a truly deep seated faith in him! Or…maybe not.
So you believe in god - because you lack the ability to make a decision of your own? Believe in a higher power “just in case” he exists?
Sorry to tell you but that wouldn’t get you into some magical heaven, even if it existed. Christians are suppposed to believe because it’s right, not because they’re too chicken to question an obviously archaic, cruel, ignorant religion.
Grow a spine - and a brain, while you’re at it.
If Jesus is real and he really dies on the cross for my sins then he died along time ago and shortly before he died I really hope he knew was schizophrenic. You see its not Jesus’s fault. Its the idiots that follow the words of a crazy man.
It does matter now what you believe, becuase your people are trying to teach my kids that someone other than the FSM created the earth and that is wrong. Everyone know’s the truth is the FSM and only the FSM and I am tired of this jesus person and these darwinists.
what if the opposite is true? what if god tests us with faith to see if we will abandon our greatest gift, reason? and the sheep go to hell?
Pascal’s Wager is perfectly correct; unfortunately the true God is not your Jesus but Allah, the merciful, the benevolent, the compassionate…no, scratch that, the REALLY true God is Vishnu, who created the world by churning the sea of milk- um, no, that’s not right either, the truly TRUE God is Odin who hung on a tree for nine days and nights…oops, wrong again, my mistake, the ONE and ONLY reallyreallyreally TRUE God is…(to be continued)
“Jesus Christ doesn’t need you to believe in him.”
Maybe he does.. maybe he’s like tinkerbell.
See, if god kicks me into hell because I don’t believe that Jesus Christ is my savior (whatever that means), that’s a god with whom I would prefer not to spend the rest of eternity. In other words, I’d think he’s kind of a dick.
Oh, Jesus how I hate this argument. I’ve heard it sooooo many times that I just want to throw up all over the person who said it.
Seriously, isn’t that why Constantine didn’t get to go to heaven? I’m pretty sure comic books already solved this one.
Now i’m going to go reach up my own ass to check for a briefcase full of diamonds. What could I possibly lose.
Relax, EVERYONE!
God is real. Jesus too. And Moses, Mohammed, Vishnu and Buddha as well. The good part is they are totally cool, forgiving and benevolent.
In fact they have already forgiven you for everything bad you’ve ever done, and are just waiting to forgive you for what you’ve yet to do. They said to pass on that it’s all a learning process so just chill and enjoy it while you can. Worship you for a while.
Carry on.
/Reaches for another bowl of Devine Inspiration. (forgiven already)
Why is it that the ULTIMATE argument that even the nicest Christians can come up with is the concept of spiritual blackmail? I mean, really….”believe the way I believe or you’ll be punished, and you don’t REALLY wanna be punshed, do you?” Wow….Extortion at it’s FINEST. I’ve heard of mafia protection rackets that aren’t this effective.
“The facts on which the true believer bases his conclusions must not be derived from his experience or observation but from holy writ. . . . To rely on the evidence of the senses and of reason is heresy and treason.
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Thus the effectiveness of a doctrine should not be judged by its profundity, sublimity or the validity of the truths it embodies, but by how thoroughly it insulates the individual from his self and the world as it is. What Pascal said of an effective religion is true of any effective doctrine: It must be ‘contrary to nature, to common sense and to pleasure.’”
– Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, 1951.