Am I a religious nut for saying the computer had an intelligent designer.
I’m new to the debate, What if the kids in the science class room ask how the computer got there? Do I mention Darwin then, or start digging for fossils of previous computers.. Hope there is no gas line, that had to be created to so I guess I’m ok.
Dang, that shovel had to be designed too. If I got that at Kmart I can tell the kids it must evolved out of the screw driver, over a couple blue-light specials.
How did the blue-light get there Mr Jason? I can here it now. Jason Buehler
….what the frick are you smoking?
And where can I get some?
So who designed your god is wha I want to know….
One of many holes in you theory is the fact we have actually found fossils of earlier life forms, that no longer exist.
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Another one is the fact the we have witnesses mutations in cells, and not computers.
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Would you like me to go on with evidence, how about how poorly made a human body is, blind spot, bones trouble, the appendix. God kind of fucked up a little, evolution can explain all of the above.
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“when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? ” Sherlock Holmes
err….man made versus natural selection. Slight difference there!
Ah, the good old ‘watchmaker’ fallacy. An ID arguement that, while put forward constantly, simply doesn’t stand up to reality.
1)computers do not self reproduce like an organism can
2)computers are man made, and we can observe this
3)we have a long and detailed fossil record supporting evolution
4)evolution has been observed, not just on the microscopic scale, but also in lizards and fish (there are probably other examples I’m not aware of)
5)irreducible complexity is not a basis for any scientific theory because it does not use evidence to support its claims and is just another way of saying ‘I don’t understand so God must have done it’
I’m sure there are other arguements, but I think this pretty much destroys that tired old arguement.
Isn’t another “ID supporting” comparison, that of comparing buildings of different architectual design, being designed by the same architect, another one of the Idiot Design arguments?
RAmen Just Guess
I’ve never heard that arguement before, and it doesn’t even make much sense to begin with. Differences in architecture are mostly aesthtic. To buildings designed along the same architectural principles could have wildly different support structures, while nearly identical support structures can sometimes be used on buildings with completely different architecture. It’s just not a good analogy for who species are structured and how it would require a designer.
RAmen Wench Nikkiee
Yes, my son, the computer is indeed an intelligent design (especially if you own a Mac). An intelligently designed instrument, a tool. There is no great mystery there. The “designer” was emphatically human.
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p.s. Please let me know when you find that fossilized computer, I would be very interested in seeing that—even if I have to wait a couple of million years, or so.
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I’m sure I’ve got the article with the architectual analogy in it somewhere. Photos of two or three very different buildings designed by the same architect were included with the article (may have been in a newspaper or not). I’ll see if I can dig it up when I get a chance. Posting and reading on this site has not been kind to my file system housekeeping chores. My efforts in this area were bad before I discovered the site. Now they are completely non-existent. Relying on instinct and prayer to FSM to find anything on here.
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@ Nikkiee
Oh, the life of a molecular biologist!
No worries, find it when you can.
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@Wench Nikkiee and Just Guess
I’ll bet that argument exists for the simple reason that it doesn’t make sense. Remember, when dealing with ID proponents, you sometimes have to ignore your instincts, especially if your instincts make sense! :)
Yes PC’s and tools do evolve! That’s why I’m not working on a Commodore 64 or a calculator the size of a room.
With technology, designs are improved and replaced all the time. A badly designed tool wonk work very well so will be replaced by a better one. With tools, this is decided by a consumer who won’t by inferior goods. For a biological organism this is decided by things like lions, which will eat the most vulnerable. That is those least adapted to survive.
Of cause other thing do this, like weather and meteors hitting the earth est.
In a way life is designed, but it is designed by itself via interaction with the environment, not by a dude in the sky (who isn’t even there as we have been up there and disproved that myth).
Well you tell them the history of the computer dipshit, learn how to understand moron.